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2013-03-03 06:35:06 PM
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2013-03-03 06:36:52 PM

realmolo: James F. Campbell: Conservative morons prove once again that they're penny wise and pound foolish.

I think you mean penny stupid and pound idiotic.


Yeah, you know what, let's go with that instead.
 
2013-03-03 06:37:52 PM

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


That is not quite accurate. What you have in the African-American and Hispanic community is a large number of teenagers who judge there self worth as adults by becoming mothers. The reward is the attention and self worth of being a parent, not the meager welfare benefits.
 
2013-03-03 06:40:44 PM

serial_crusher: Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.

Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.  Might actually turn out in everybody's favor, well except for certain political parties who prefer a cycle of poverty to ensure a strong voter base.


Sounds too 'Brave New World' to me. Although I'm game for breeding license requirements. People have to have one to fish but we let people pump kids out like rabbits.
 
2013-03-03 06:41:05 PM

RockofAges: serial_crusher: Hollie Maea: Wyalt Derp: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Free condoms for all!

Free condoms constitute one of the greatest investments a society can make. All other developed nations know this.

Condoms are practically free as it is.  If you think the reason people aren't using them is because you can't afford them, you're mistaken.

When was the last time you bought condoms? Honestly, those things are expensive. They're probably almost getting as expensive as beer. Yea, you can probably just swing by the Red Door or whatever and grab a handful, but once you're out of college that seems a bit creepy. Sure, I don't think "they're too expensive" is much of an answer either, but don't go overboard here man. They're not exactly cheap if you are having regular sex and using them.


The #1 and #2 reasons why people have unprotected sex outside of marriage are:

1) Lack of sexual education.
2) Lack of availability of contraceptives.

Availability can mean many things, not just cost. In some parts of the country, condoms are simply not stocked. I bet some of those places are in Texas :P
 
2013-03-03 06:41:14 PM

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Side note: That screen is actually nowhere in Mario 3.

I assume it's from a romhack, but I dunno which one.
 
2013-03-03 06:41:41 PM

Harry_Seldon: serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

That is not quite accurate. What you have in the African-American and Hispanic community is a large number of teenagers who judge there self worth as adults by becoming mothers. The reward is the attention and self worth of being a parent, not the meager welfare benefits.


I suspect those values are not limited to African-American and Hispanic communities. Any society with strong faith-based family hierarchies are likely to encourage early motherhood, in my opinion.
 
2013-03-03 06:42:50 PM

serial_crusher: Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.

Because kids raised in orphanages turn out to be well-adjusted and productive taxpayers.  Keep going, you're doing great!

That's because we traditionally haven't given a shiat about spending money on them.  Success is not about whether or not your parents are in the picture.  It's about the education you get.
Republicans shiat all over our education system to lower taxes and Democrats shiat all over our education system to protect teachers unions.  If they'd both shut up and focus on reducing actually frivolous spending (i.e. bloated military budgets and handouts to people who have proven themselves irresponsible), we might be able to fix this mess of a country.


BSABSVR we know we know.
 
2013-03-03 06:50:32 PM
oh goody another troll thread

thanks a lot
 
2013-03-03 06:53:04 PM

Carth: Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove morality Christian Wingtardism from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.


Fixed that for you.
 
2013-03-03 06:55:32 PM

make me some tea: Oh, and you can bet that since it's Texas, many of these kids are born to Hispanic parent(s)



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2013-03-03 06:55:45 PM
I posted this to my Facebook page and I know that one of my FB friends is going to comment with "just tell them to be abstainent until marriage and then use natural family planning, it's free." She really truly believes that this is a viable solution. Her vote counts the same as mine.
 
2013-03-03 06:59:29 PM

RockofAges: When was the last time you bought condoms made a baby? Honestly, those things are waaay more expensive than condoms.


FTFY
 
2013-03-03 07:01:25 PM

Phins: I posted this to my Facebook page and I know that one of my FB friends is going to comment with "just tell them to be abstainent until marriage and then use natural family planning, it's free." She really truly believes that this is a viable solution. Her vote counts the same as mine.


why wouldn't she just suggest that people buy condoms?
 
2013-03-03 07:04:18 PM
I think I can get everyone to come together on this issue.

Public spending on family planning saves the public money in the long run so let's do it as long as we still have a safety net and moral qualms about selling babies for their meat.
You can still look down on (most of the) the people too stupid to not get knocked up accidentally who are only saved from their own stupid by these programs.

Everyone's happy.
 
2013-03-03 07:12:30 PM
Our governor thinks the way to fight forest fires is to cut the budget to hire firemen and pray for rain. This should come as no surprise.
 
2013-03-03 07:13:59 PM

Ethertap: Who could have guessed that there are unintended consequences to unprotected sex?


That's why places like planned parenthood try to offer birth control to poor people. The GOP's answer to that was to pull their funding.

I realize that for a lot of Republicans, the idea of sex with girls is icky, but we have to face the facts. No one is ever going to stop people from farking. It's just never going to happen. Sexual desire is the second oldest biological impulse in human history, right behind breathing. Trying to legislate puritan ideals fails for that specific reason.
 
2013-03-03 07:25:37 PM
Just taking the opportunity to once more say "fark you Texas".
 
2013-03-03 07:32:19 PM
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2013-03-03 07:42:16 PM
By the by, Texas defunded Planned Parenthood not because the Planned Parenthood facilities we're providing abortions, but because they were affiliated with this facilities that provided abortions.

Arguably, this violates the constitutional right to freedom of association, but also other federal laws, thus, this cunning plan also made Texas ineligible for federal funding of family planning which provided 90% of the family planning services in Texas. this is what caused the closing of so many women's healthcare facilities (who had nothing to do with abortions)

/DRTFA but by the comments in this thread, it doesn't look like this was spelled out in said article.
// Yay, Texas!
 
2013-03-03 07:54:07 PM
Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?
 
2013-03-03 07:55:09 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


America! Fark no!
 
2013-03-03 07:57:26 PM
All you really need from the article in question:

Using taxpayer dollars to finance family-planning services has become politically thorny in Texas, largely because of Republican lawmakers' assertions that the women's health clinics providing that care are affiliated with abortion providers. In the fiscal crunch of 2011, the Legislature cut the state's family-planning budget by two-thirds, with some lawmakers claiming that they were defunding the "abortion industry." Researchers at the University of Texas at Austin, found that more than 50 family-planning clinics had closed statewide as a result. Now, amid estimates that the cuts could lead to 24,000 additional 2014-15 births at a cost to taxpayers of $273 million, lawmakers are seeking a way to restore financing without ruffling feathers.

In other news, single-issue politicians often don't have a "big picture" view. Texas just humped a bunk because not a single Republican politician understands the adage, "a stitch in time saves nine." They were so busy trying to make their derpy single-issue religious conservative constituents happy, that they really didn't consider the dollar value of that stitch.  Texas taxpayers are going to be on the hook for their own conservative stupidity, and it'll be fun watching them pay for those nine. It warms my farking heart, it does.

I can only hope other conservative states, like Kansas, Nebraska, and so on, continue to follow the (bad) example of Texas, because the longer their citizens remain in thrall to their own stupidity, the more obvious the success of basic social supports becomes to everyone else.
 
2013-03-03 07:58:11 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?
 
2013-03-03 07:58:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Parenthood should be planned from a person's birth.  Reversible sterilization until the person qualifies for a mortgage.

has 10 million dollars in assets.

FTFY
 
2013-03-03 07:59:16 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


Are people so farking stupid that they think cutting off easy access to birth control will stop people from having sex? Are you farking kidding?
 
2013-03-03 08:00:31 PM

SilentStrider: Gee. I wonder why the people in charge didn't see this coming.


I don't think they're planning on paying that $273m either.
 
2013-03-03 08:01:02 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

The Texas legislature recognizes the problem and is hoping for patriot missile systems to knock down the incoming storks.
 
2013-03-03 08:02:56 PM

kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?


using protection when having sex when you don't plan on having kids is a big part of it I'd imagine
 
2013-03-03 08:09:03 PM
Bet their corporate buddies will love this when most of these folks are living off the farking dollar menu though.
 
2013-03-03 08:10:52 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


Yes, actually. You'd be surprised how many myths - including myths reinforced by religious "education" - still circulate regarding the mechanism of reproduction. Two of my favorites:
If the man pulls out before he ejaculates, you won't get pregnant or a sexually transmitted disease.
You can't get pregnant if you have sex during your period.


Always amazes me when teenagers and young adults end up pregnant despite the proliferation of educational materials because they believe the damnedest things, and those things have the damnedest sources - peers, parents, books, bald-faced lies, and so on. So, yes, it's necessary to have a secular source of actual information, readily available, to which you can say "look, you don't have to take my word for it - go ask the school counselor/family planning clinic/doctor/whatever."

But, see, it's not just about "making babies." It's about understanding things like the idea that condoms don't just reduce the chance of pregnancy, but also reduce the chance of STD transmission. When you have religions telling you that if you use a condom, you're committing a sin, well, you need to have a secular source telling you the actual science. Remember, Texas politicians didn't do this just for the money - $71 million is chump change - but also to please religious conservatives who don't like competition from actual science. Those folks claimed a "moral victory" when they convinced politicians to pull this silly-ass move. What will be fun, of course, is the backpedaling those assholes will do when the rest of the Texas population realizes they're going to have to shell out four times as much taxpayer money to deal with the mess resulting from that "moral victory" - I'll bet we'll hear the "well, it's their own fault, those godless heathens" or some such trotted out as a deflection.
 
2013-03-03 08:14:27 PM

skullkrusher: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

using protection when having sex when you don't plan on having kids is a big part of it I'd imagine


Contraception is only one rib of the "family planning" umbrella. Emergency contraception, STD awareness, HIV/AIDS awareness, pre- and post-natal education & care, even general reproductive education for men & women - for most states, all of that is under the "family planning" umbrella.
 
2013-03-03 08:17:07 PM

ltdanman44: make me some tea: Oh, and you can bet that since it's Texas, many of these kids are born to Hispanic parent(s)


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Actually, that's just racially\ethnically prejudiced.

Racism: Believing in racial superiority/inferiority.
Racial Prejudice: Making assumptions regarding race based on otherwise insufficient evidence. (See: Stereotyping)
Racial Discrimination: Making exclusionary decisions based on race (actual or prejudiced).
 
2013-03-03 08:18:14 PM

jehovahs witness protection: STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO PUMP OUT BABBIES!!!!!1!


Yes, because as the situation in Africa makes clear, lack of resources clearly makes people stop forming babby. Oh wait, it just sets off the "I may not live..." impulse, which for some inexplicable reason is deeply connected with the "make more babies, NOW" impulse.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled sociopathic "the poor deserve to suffer because they committed the sin of being poor" prosperity gospel...
 
2013-03-03 08:24:47 PM

kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?


Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.
 
2013-03-03 08:27:18 PM

Smeggy Smurf: If only family planning was about planning to have a family and not murdering babies


The single most effective way to reduce the number of abortions...  is to provide free contraception.  Expecting people to not have sex does not work, and never has worked.
 
2013-03-03 08:33:53 PM

Propain_az: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.


Given the misinformation, half-truths, and flat out lies that a lot of families, schools, and churches tell kids about sex, it's a good idea to have an outside source available for a second opinion that has nothing to gain from lying to them.
 
2013-03-03 08:38:03 PM

burning_bridge: SilentStrider: Gee. I wonder why the people in charge didn't see this coming.

I don't think they're planning on paying that $273m either.


This is my surprised face.
 
2013-03-03 08:39:34 PM

RareChimer: ltdanman44: make me some tea: Oh, and you can bet that since it's Texas, many of these kids are born to Hispanic parent(s)


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Actually, that's just racially\ethnically prejudiced.

Racism: Believing in racial superiority/inferiority.
Racial Prejudice: Making assumptions regarding race based on otherwise insufficient evidence. (See: Stereotyping)
Racial Discrimination: Making exclusionary decisions based on race (actual or prejudiced).


Heh, well I was mostly goading the conservatives with that quip, but it is true that hispanics are the fastest growing demographic because they are the ethnic group that are having the most babies. Also, they tend to be poorer overall than other ethnicities. Nothing racist about it, just a matter of fact.
 
2013-03-03 08:40:20 PM

Propain_az: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.


Also, while you go off on your Glenn Beck-tin foil hat-ZOMG The State! rant, consider this. Easy access to birth control equals fewer pregnancies, fewer pregnancies equals fewer abortions and fewer unplanned births, fewer unplanned births equals fewer welfare recipients, fewer welfare recipients equals fewer families in poverty, fewer families in poverty equals fewer kids growing up on the streets because their parents don't care about them and turning to crime, fewer young criminals equals fewer people in prison, and fewer people in prison equals savings for taxpayers.

Being a Teabagger fundie reactionary is not compatible with being a fiscal conservative. Study it out.
 
2013-03-03 08:41:15 PM
There was no way that they could have seen this coming. There was no goddamn way.


/How many Farkers said that this exact thing was going to happen?
 
2013-03-03 08:42:13 PM

stoli n coke: Propain_az: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.

Also, while you go off on your Glenn Beck-tin foil hat-ZOMG The State! rant, consider this. Easy access to birth control equals fewer pregnancies, fewer pregnancies equals fewer abortions and fewer unplanned births, fewer unplanned births equals fewer welfare recipients, fewer welfare recipients equals fewer families in poverty, fewer families in poverty equals fewer kids growing up on the streets because their parents don't care about them and turning to crime, fewer young criminals equals fewer people in prison, and fewer people in prison equals savings for taxpayers.

Being a Teabagger fundie reactionary is not compatible with being a fiscal conservative. Study it out.


Synonyms make stoli go smash!
 
2013-03-03 08:54:05 PM

Krymson Tyde: Perhaps they can get started executing them fairly soon.


Swift the children. It is the only way to cure the dual problems of babies and too many hungry people.
 
2013-03-03 08:55:38 PM

skullkrusher: stoli n coke: Propain_az: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.

Also, while you go off on your Glenn Beck-tin foil hat-ZOMG The State! rant, consider this. Easy access to birth control equals fewer pregnancies, fewer pregnancies equals fewer abortions and fewer unplanned births, fewer unplanned births equals fewer welfare recipients, fewer welfare recipients equals fewer families in poverty, fewer families in poverty equals fewer kids growing up on the streets because their parents don't care about them and turning to crime, fewer young criminals equals fewer people in prison, and fewer people in prison equals savings for taxpayers.

Being a Teabagger fundie reactionary is not compatible with being a fiscal conservative. Study it out.

Synonyms make stoli go smash!


It's just math.
 
2013-03-03 09:04:55 PM
Republicans, doing the wrong thing every time.
 
2013-03-03 09:06:14 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


The conservative solution ended up with this. Any other bright ideas Republicans?
 
2013-03-03 09:16:20 PM

jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup


The fact that you don't find it funny is the funniest damn thing on this whole site.

Oh, how I'll giggle myself to sleep tonight!
 
2013-03-03 09:21:49 PM
In the unlikely event that this is actually true -- Texas can afford it. Unlike the vast majority of the other states.
 
2013-03-03 09:24:27 PM

FormlessOne: skullkrusher: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

using protection when having sex when you don't plan on having kids is a big part of it I'd imagine

Contraception is only one rib of the "family planning" umbrella. Emergency contraception, STD awareness, HIV/AIDS awareness, pre- and post-natal education & care, even general reproductive education for men & women - for most states, all of that is under the "family planning" umbrella.


See, this is what I never got. For all of planned parenthoods jibba jabba about how abortion is such a small piece of what they do, and how many people they're helping... Why not just stop with the abortions and keep the rest going? No, it's all or nothing with these clowns but the republicans are to blame for you not getting a free Pap smear.

/and I like the "men and women" part of your post. Does that invalidate the "war on women" argument?
 
2013-03-03 09:29:36 PM

burning_bridge: SilentStrider: Gee. I wonder why the people in charge didn't see this coming.

I don't think they're planning on paying that $273m either.


What we are going to end up with is a serious increase in violent crime and unemployment in about 18 years. And then we'll part 10 times that amount to incarcerate these people.
 
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