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(The New York Times)   Texas saved $73m by de-funding family planning. Fark: Savings turns into a projected $273m loss after a huge spike in unplanned births for low-income families   (nytimes.com) divider line 190
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2013-03-03 04:24:54 PM
Because Jesusfreaks are morons.
 
2013-03-03 04:43:38 PM
STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO PUMP OUT BABBIES!!!!!1!
 
2013-03-03 04:44:41 PM
www.gnorb.net
 
2013-03-03 04:45:09 PM

gilgigamesh: Well that was an informative article.

At least I assume it was, since its behind a pay wall and eff you, Subby.


If you reeeeally wanted to, I guess you could delete your NYT cookie.  That usually fixes it.
 
2013-03-03 04:51:47 PM
Rick Perry and the TX legislature are a bunch of short sighted morons.  More at 11.
 
2013-03-03 04:53:24 PM
In the fiscal crunch of 2011, the Legislature cut the state's family-planning budget by two-thirds, with some lawmakers claiming that they were defunding the "abortion industry." Researchers at the University of Texas at Austin, found that more than 50 family-planning clinics had closed statewide as a result.

Now, amid estimates that the cuts could lead to 24,000 additional 2014-15 births at a cost to taxpayers of $273 million,  lawmakers are seeking a way to restore financing without ruffling feathers.


Good god what a bunch of farking idiots. Anyone with half a brain can see that reducing access to abortion will cause low-income births to increase, and having a kid is pretty damn expensive. Of course the taxpayers are on the hook for it. I mean really, in what scenario would this not happen? Oh, and you can bet that since it's Texas, many of these kids are born to Hispanic parent(s).

LOL

Just, LOLOLOL
 
2013-03-03 04:57:13 PM

jehovahs witness protection: STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO PUMP OUT BABBIES!!!!!1!


Maybe you should have thought of that before Texas de-funded family planning.
 
2013-03-03 04:59:21 PM
The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.
 
2013-03-03 05:04:20 PM
Gee. I wonder why the people in charge didn't see this coming.
 
2013-03-03 05:06:49 PM
Perhaps they can get started executing them fairly soon.
 
2013-03-03 05:09:40 PM
BUT NO, GOVERNMENT IS EVIL.

/Farking idiots.
 
2013-03-03 05:10:55 PM
Robert Deuell, Republican of Greenville, a family physician who has advocated an increase in primary-care services for women.

RINO
 
2013-03-03 05:11:32 PM
A) Repeat

B) could have told them at the beginning.
 
2013-03-03 05:12:00 PM
I don't understand. Who votes for these morons?
 
2013-03-03 05:12:04 PM
Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove morality from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.
 
2013-03-03 05:13:31 PM
I don't think people quite understand that safety nets are designed to keep society as a whole better off. Take them away and no amount of 'American Exceptionalism' will keep the nation from growing worse, on the whole.
 
2013-03-03 05:13:31 PM
Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.
 
2013-03-03 05:14:42 PM

Carth: Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove morality from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.


You can make plenty of moral arguments for this.  You just have to start from a position that isn't "Sex is sin, and we must punish sin as heavily as possible not matter the cost."
 
2013-03-03 05:15:34 PM

Oh, man...if only someone could have seen this and warned us.  Oh wait...someone did


LIBERALS!!
 
2013-03-03 05:16:08 PM

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


Right, because when I have sex, foremost on my mind is the gubment monies.
 
2013-03-03 05:16:11 PM

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


3/10, but you needed more derp, would have gone higher if you had said "stop rewarding welfare queens for having anchor babies"
 
2013-03-03 05:16:22 PM

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


Rather, stop taking care of American children. Stop providing for future American citizens. Punish people who have sex and no money and hurt their children worse. Or maybe we could take those children away to punish those welfare queens. And we could then ... what? Give the children to those that can afford them? Like the wealthy? The rich? They can afford 100s of children.
 
2013-03-03 05:16:24 PM

Carth: Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove

morality from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.

I agree with you in a sense, but you keep using that word.  I happen to think that contraception is a moral choice. Actually forcing gestation is immoral. Too bad christians aren't bright enough to appreciate that.

In other words, we haven't "removed morality from the issue," as you state. We've removed irrational and barbaric religion.  Big difference.
 
2013-03-03 05:17:05 PM

syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.


True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


Yup
 
2013-03-03 05:17:13 PM

Can't_Think_Of_A_Name: Carth: Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove morality from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.

You can make plenty of moral arguments for this.  You just have to start from a position that isn't "Sex is sin, and we must punish sin as heavily as possible not matter the cost."


Agreed it I would say it is more moral. My point was it is really hard to make any economic argument against it.
 
2013-03-03 05:17:23 PM

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


Good to know you read the article.
 
2013-03-03 05:17:24 PM
"It's a much better way to treat the women because they don't just have family-planning issues," said Senator Robert Deuell, Republican of Greenville, a family physician who has advocated an increase in primary-care services for women.

This couldn't sound any more arrogant if he tried.  He's being such a good person by acknowledging that women should be treated as people.
 
2013-03-03 05:18:20 PM

make me some tea: nce it's Texas, many of these kids are born to Hispanic parent(s).


And guaranteeing that the state tips blue in 20 years!
 
2013-03-03 05:18:20 PM

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

  Let babies go hungry and when they get sick don't take them to the doctor.

Is this the official "pro-life" position?
 
2013-03-03 05:18:21 PM

jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup


You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.
 
2013-03-03 05:18:51 PM

Carth: Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove morality

dogma from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.

fixarino'd
 
2013-03-03 05:20:17 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Is this the official "pro-life" position?


Easy black and white solutions are easy to take a stand with.

cameroncrazy1984: You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.


And it still conjures up images of black women with lots of kids.
 
2013-03-03 05:21:49 PM

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


Ahhhh...... so you think Texas' problem was that they didn't cut enough.

/What do you do about the problems that arose from from your last round of tax cuts? More cuts, of course! That will fix everything!
 
2013-03-03 05:22:18 PM

Nadie_AZ: And it still conjures up images of black women with lots of kids.


That's why he believes it.
 
2013-03-03 05:22:22 PM
Not really sure what morality has to do with contraception, unless you define morality by Christianity.
 
2013-03-03 05:23:07 PM

make me some tea: Good god what a bunch of farking idiots. Anyone with half a brain can see that reducing access to abortion will cause low-income births to increase, and having a kid is pretty damn expensive. Of course the taxpayers are on the hook for it. I mean really, in what scenario would this not happen?


Well, it might not happen if you took some of the money you're no longer spending on planned parenthood and instead used it to teach comprehensive sexual education to school children.  Or you could do even better and put condom dispensers in the school bathrooms.

Of course, both of those scenarios assume that 1) we're not talking about Texass, and 2) Texan taxpayers have the mental capacity to remember when they were randy youngsters and to realize that their kids aren't magically different.
 
2013-03-03 05:24:46 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Carth: Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove moralitydogma from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.

fixarino'd


that is a better way of phrasing it.
 
2013-03-03 05:24:50 PM

cameroncrazy1984: jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup

You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.


Reagan (pbuh) said it!  It MUST be true!!
 
2013-03-03 05:26:28 PM
All evil in the world is caused by fundies.  Stupidity is a main tool of evil.  I have yet to meet a conservative "Christian" who wasn't a servant of Satan and the anti-Christ.
 
2013-03-03 05:26:55 PM

cameroncrazy1984: jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup

You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.


It comes with a real live children in poverty that grow up to be non-productive members of society that end up costing everyone more moral.  But some folks can't see beyond their own enjoyment of being tuff on layabouts.
 
2013-03-03 05:27:42 PM
If only family planning was about planning to have a family and not murdering babies
 
2013-03-03 05:28:16 PM
I know people here are tempted to think that without planned parenthood personally putting its restraining hand on everyone's penis, we'd all breed like rabbits and overpopulate the planet.
The truth is rarely so politically convenient.
 
2013-03-03 05:29:51 PM

way south: I know people here are tempted to think that without planned parenthood personally putting its restraining hand on everyone's penis, we'd all breed like rabbits and overpopulate the planet.
The truth is rarely so politically convenient.


What?
 
2013-03-03 05:31:04 PM

way south: I know people here are tempted to think that without planned parenthood personally putting its restraining hand on everyone's penis, we'd all breed like rabbits and overpopulate the planet.
The truth is rarely so politically convenient.


What are you on about?
 
2013-03-03 05:31:20 PM

jehovahs witness protection: STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO PUMP OUT BABBIES!!!!!1!


Yeah, just fark those babies. They should know better than to be born if their parents are poor.

It shouldn't matter WHY they were conceived, they are still here and need assistance.
 
2013-03-03 05:31:54 PM

Paul Baumer: cameroncrazy1984: jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup

You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.

It comes with a real live children in poverty that grow up to be non-productive members of society that end up costing everyone more moral.  But some folks can't see beyond their own enjoyment of being tuff on layabouts.


Well, since your parents knew they would grow older and get monthly handouts from the government for the rest of their lives, I'm sure you're quite unproductive yourself, right?
 
2013-03-03 05:36:05 PM

Carth: Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove morality from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.


This is the part the Derp brigade find impossible.

And how is it more moral to (by default) encourage pumping out more poor kids than to prevent them?  As if we could stop folks, whose sole pleasurable pastime is farking, from farking.
 
2013-03-03 05:36:59 PM

Relatively Obscure: gilgigamesh: Well that was an informative article.

At least I assume it was, since its behind a pay wall and eff you, Subby.

If you reeeeally wanted to, I guess you could delete your NYT cookie.  That usually fixes it.


Step 1: open up the NYTimes in a Chrome Incognito Window

Step 2: Read as many articles as you want
 
2013-03-03 05:37:29 PM
syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

this crop of myopic partisan Republican goons are actually Democrat operatives who are playing the loooong game. Jesus, they're so diabolically genius.
 
2013-03-03 05:39:07 PM

Nadie_AZ: serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Rather, stop taking care of American children. Stop providing for future American citizens. Punish people who have sex and no money and hurt their children worse. Or maybe we could take those children away to punish those welfare queens. And we could then ... what? Give the children to those that can afford them? Like the wealthy? The rich? They can afford 100s of children.


I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.
 
2013-03-03 05:39:30 PM

jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup


Solution: stop paying for Mexican babies AMIRITE?
 
2013-03-03 05:41:28 PM
Now if we'd just let these babies starve in the streets, we could really stimulate the economy with some tax cuts.
 
2013-03-03 05:42:01 PM
Who could have guessed that there are unintended consequences to unprotected sex?
 
2013-03-03 05:43:20 PM

Karac: Well, it might not happen if you took some of the money you're no longer spending on planned parenthood and instead used it to teach comprehensive sexual education to school children.  Or you could do even better and put condom dispensers in the school bathrooms.


It would certainly help the situation, but not solve it.

Of course, both of those scenarios assume that 1) we're not talking about Texass, and 2) Texan taxpayers have the mental capacity to remember when they were randy youngsters and to realize that their kids aren't magically different.

Indeed.
 
2013-03-03 05:43:59 PM

LiberalWeenie: Now if we'd just let these babies starve in the streets, we could really stimulate the economy with some tax cuts.


They can be ground into chorizo.
 
2013-03-03 05:46:04 PM

LiberalWeenie: Now if we'd just let these babies starve in the streets, we could really stimulate the economy with some tax cuts.


I've got an even better, more modest proposal...
 
2013-03-03 05:46:26 PM

Smeggy Smurf: If only family planning was about planning to have a family and not murdering babies


If only you didn't eat so many paint chips as a child.
 
2013-03-03 05:47:20 PM

make me some tea: LiberalWeenie: Now if we'd just let these babies starve in the streets, we could really stimulate the economy with some tax cuts.

They can be ground into chorizo.


Just think how many jobs that would create! The cleanup crews and the chorizo factory jobs alone would drive unemployment to record lows!
 
2013-03-03 05:48:13 PM
1) Ban birth control. Ban abortion. Abstinence-only edumakashun. Defund Planned Parenthood.
2) Wonder why so many out of wedlock births.
3) Abolish food stamps. That'll larn them Welfare Queens. (The Welfare Queens with the babies, of course, not the ones with the zillion-dollar contracts with the Small Government®.)
4) Ship all the well-paying jobs overseas.
5) Gut the public schools. You don't need no edumakashun to work a McJob, and teachers are Union Thugs (except when the NRA wants to arm them).
6) Hike taxes on people who work for a living. Cut them on the plutocrats. Abolish the minimum wage.  David Koch's Mercedes is six months old and he wants a new one.
7) Wonder why so many people break the law instead of starving quietly, or getting a McJob for take-home pay that won't take them home.
8) zOMG CRIME WAVE!
9) Zillion-dollar Small Government® contracts for private prisons and purveyors of riot gear.
10) No ??? here, baby.
11) Profit!
 
2013-03-03 05:50:14 PM

way south: I know people here are tempted to think that without planned parenthood personally putting its restraining hand on everyone's penis, we'd all breed like rabbits and overpopulate the planet.
The truth is rarely so politically convenient.


So Planned Parenthood is forcing drug stores to stock rubbers and forcing men to buy them?

As for the overpopulation thing, in a world where contraceptives didn't exist but the rest of our medical technology did (which I don't think would happen, the technology behind a neonatal ICU is light years ahead of tech for a condom) I think overpopulation might well be a major concern.

But of course, all of that has very little to do about the article, which is about the economic benefits of people only having kids when they're ready to do so economically, which these days is a lot older than it used to be.
 
2013-03-03 05:50:45 PM
Apparently, fiscal conservatism really means "penny wise and pound foolish."
 
2013-03-03 05:51:20 PM

jehovahs witness protection: STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO PUMP OUT BABBIES!!!!!1!


Roight, guv.  That little bitty check more than covers the cost of raising a child.  Welfare Queens all drive Cadillacs and eat fillet mignon.  (OK, the Welfare Queens with the zillion-dollar contracts with the Small Government do.)
 
2013-03-03 05:52:59 PM
MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, HURRRRRRRRDURRRRRRRR.
 
2013-03-03 05:53:24 PM

serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.


Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.
 
2013-03-03 05:56:47 PM

syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.


Yeah, but for the next 17, we get to do some good old-fashioned slut shaming and race-baiting, so it evens out.
 
2013-03-03 05:57:20 PM

Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.


lololol
 
2013-03-03 05:57:23 PM

ib_thinkin: I don't understand. Who votes for these morons?


www.yoism.org
 
2013-03-03 05:58:10 PM

TV's Vinnie: ib_thinkin: I don't understand. Who votes for these morons?

[www.yoism.org image 500x349]


bwahahahah
 
2013-03-03 05:58:15 PM

Tax Boy: Relatively Obscure: gilgigamesh: Well that was an informative article.

At least I assume it was, since its behind a pay wall and eff you, Subby.

If you reeeeally wanted to, I guess you could delete your NYT cookie.  That usually fixes it.

Step 1: open up the NYTimes in a Chrome Incognito Window

Step 2: Read as many articles as you want


Oh yeah.  I forget about that.  You could do that too.
 
2013-03-03 06:00:34 PM
They'll vote democrat in some other state (or maybe just go back to Mexico) because Texas will simply defund social services. The cunning plan really WAS well-thought out.
 
2013-03-03 06:01:24 PM
Repeat.  But I'm not gonna report it because it needs to be out there.
 
2013-03-03 06:03:31 PM
i41.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-03 06:05:37 PM
Once again for the slow kids: you do not make public policy that assumes people will act reasonably and responsibly; you make policy that keeps the system stable when they don't.
 
2013-03-03 06:06:32 PM

Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.


Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.  Might actually turn out in everybody's favor, well except for certain political parties who prefer a cycle of poverty to ensure a strong voter base.
 
2013-03-03 06:07:47 PM
The conservative refusal to believe any facts, science or research is the biggest drag on the United States that there is.
 
2013-03-03 06:08:03 PM

serial_crusher: Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.

Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.  Might actually turn out in everybody's favor, well except for certain political parties who prefer a cycle of poverty to ensure a strong voter base.


Yes, I'd definitely trust the Texas GOP to do a good job of educating them.
 
2013-03-03 06:09:21 PM

ib_thinkin: I don't understand. Who votes for these morons?


other morons.
 
2013-03-03 06:09:30 PM

TFerWannaBe: Once again for the slow kids: you do not make public policy that assumes people will act reasonably and responsibly; you make policy that keeps the system stable when they don't.


Can I use that argument in the next gun control thread?
 
2013-03-03 06:10:11 PM

serial_crusher: TFerWannaBe: Once again for the slow kids: you do not make public policy that assumes people will act reasonably and responsibly; you make policy that keeps the system stable when they don't.

Can I use that argument in the next gun control thread?


Yup. Seems like a farking idiotic idea to assume that people will behave responsibly and reasonably just because they're armed.
 
2013-03-03 06:10:41 PM

GAT_00: Paul Baumer: cameroncrazy1984: jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup

You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.

It comes with a real live children in poverty that grow up to be non-productive members of society that end up costing everyone more moral.  But some folks can't see beyond their own enjoyment of being tuff on layabouts.

Well, since your parents knew they would grow older and get monthly handouts from the government for the rest of their lives, I'm sure you're quite unproductive yourself, right?


WTH?  Ignoring a more-or-less permanent underclass isn't fiscal conservatism, it's bad policy, regardless of morality (depending on how you view such things).  It costs <i>more</i> to not help family planning, not less.  The current demonizing of the poor as an ongoing effort to reduce public spending is both bad public policy, as well as abhorrent to most religious thought.
 
2013-03-03 06:11:16 PM

serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.


Now those are some solid family values.
 
2013-03-03 06:11:23 PM

serial_crusher: Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.


Because kids raised in orphanages turn out to be well-adjusted and productive taxpayers.  Keep going, you're doing great!

serial_crusher: Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.

Might actually turn out in everybody's favor, well except for certain political parties who prefer a cycle of poverty to ensure a strong voter base.


This is Texas.  So you're saying the state is doing this so that they can ensure more Republican voters in the future.  Makes sense I guess.
 
2013-03-03 06:12:14 PM
My Big Fat Stupid State

*sigh*
 
2013-03-03 06:12:57 PM

TFerWannaBe: Once again for the slow kids: you do not make public policy that assumes people will act reasonably and responsibly; you make policy that keeps the system stable when they don't.


BUT, but, but this is the best of all possible policysets for the best of all possible countries in the best of all possible worlds!  How can things possibly not go according to our God-guided plans?
 
2013-03-03 06:15:37 PM
Conservative morons prove once again that they're penny wise and pound foolish.
 
2013-03-03 06:18:06 PM

serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.


Free condoms for all!
 
2013-03-03 06:19:13 PM
The worst part is, there are now more Texans in the world.
 
2013-03-03 06:19:58 PM

dionysusaur: TFerWannaBe: Once again for the slow kids: you do not make public policy that assumes people will act reasonably and responsibly; you make policy that keeps the system stable when they don't.

BUT, but, but this is the best of all possible policysets for the best of all possible countries in the best of all possible worlds!  How can things possibly not go according to our God-guided plans?


Voltaire would like a word with you
 
2013-03-03 06:20:19 PM
Now we have to have a government program to keep you from getting pregnant.

What is the world coming to.

I'm surprised these people can wipe their own ass without government issued toilet paper and a social worker to regularly show them how.
 
2013-03-03 06:24:31 PM

James F. Campbell: Conservative morons prove once again that they're penny wise and pound foolish.


I think you mean penny stupid and pound idiotic.
 
2013-03-03 06:24:40 PM

serial_crusher: Nadie_AZ: serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Rather, stop taking care of American children. Stop providing for future American citizens. Punish people who have sex and no money and hurt their children worse. Or maybe we could take those children away to punish those welfare queens. And we could then ... what? Give the children to those that can afford them? Like the wealthy? The rich? They can afford 100s of children.

I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.


I always thought an IUD or one of the birth control things that they put under the skin for women collecting welfare (I'd say men as well, but at the moment we don't have anything similar).  After they are off, they can have it removed.  If they are already struggling and needing welfare it seems irresponsible to allow them to have another kid, furthering their dependence on government and making it hard for them to remove themselves from welfare.  My issue is less with the cost of the government, and more with the families on welfare, it's hard taking care of little kids, and day-care can be expensive.  It gets a bit easier when they get older and are going to school, then the parents have more flexibility to work and further their situation.

However, what you are proposing is just being a complete D*ck to people who have made mistakes in their life.  All in the hope that a couple of them will be the 'dreaded' wellfare mom and dad.
 
2013-03-03 06:25:37 PM

Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.

Because kids raised in orphanages turn out to be well-adjusted and productive taxpayers.  Keep going, you're doing great!


That's because we traditionally haven't given a shiat about spending money on them.  Success is not about whether or not your parents are in the picture.  It's about the education you get.
Republicans shiat all over our education system to lower taxes and Democrats shiat all over our education system to protect teachers unions.  If they'd both shut up and focus on reducing actually frivolous spending (i.e. bloated military budgets and handouts to people who have proven themselves irresponsible), we might be able to fix this mess of a country.
 
2013-03-03 06:25:57 PM

Wyalt Derp: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Free condoms for all!


Free condoms constitute one of the greatest investments a society can make. All other developed nations know this.
 
2013-03-03 06:28:32 PM
Parenthood should be planned from a person's birth.  Reversible sterilization until the person qualifies for a mortgage.
 
2013-03-03 06:29:56 PM
Palin-America problems.
 
2013-03-03 06:30:23 PM

serial_crusher: That's because we traditionally haven't given a shiat about spending money on them. Success is not about whether or not your parents are in the picture. It's about the education you get.


Not sure if serious.
 
2013-03-03 06:30:50 PM
I bet texas thought this was some sort of way to increase the white population but then they noticed groups other than white people were being affected and realized they'd better re-implement funding.

Because republicans would rather bankrupt the country than let liberals show they're wrong.
 
2013-03-03 06:30:52 PM

Hollie Maea: Wyalt Derp: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Free condoms for all!

Free condoms constitute one of the greatest investments a society can make. All other developed nations know this.


Condoms are practically free as it is.  If you think the reason people aren't using them is because you can't afford them, you're mistaken.
 
2013-03-03 06:30:56 PM

cameroncrazy1984: jehovahs witness protection: STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO PUMP OUT BABBIES!!!!!1!

Maybe you should have thought of that before Texas de-funded family planning.


You're presupposing JWP and his ilk do any kind of thinking at all.
 
2013-03-03 06:32:04 PM

malaktaus: The worst part is, there are now more Texans in the world.


Yes, more people to to grow up under-educated, under-parented and yet can still be convinced to vote against their own interests.
 
2013-03-03 06:35:06 PM
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2013-03-03 06:36:52 PM

realmolo: James F. Campbell: Conservative morons prove once again that they're penny wise and pound foolish.

I think you mean penny stupid and pound idiotic.


Yeah, you know what, let's go with that instead.
 
2013-03-03 06:37:52 PM

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


That is not quite accurate. What you have in the African-American and Hispanic community is a large number of teenagers who judge there self worth as adults by becoming mothers. The reward is the attention and self worth of being a parent, not the meager welfare benefits.
 
2013-03-03 06:40:44 PM

serial_crusher: Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.

Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.  Might actually turn out in everybody's favor, well except for certain political parties who prefer a cycle of poverty to ensure a strong voter base.


Sounds too 'Brave New World' to me. Although I'm game for breeding license requirements. People have to have one to fish but we let people pump kids out like rabbits.
 
2013-03-03 06:41:05 PM

RockofAges: serial_crusher: Hollie Maea: Wyalt Derp: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Free condoms for all!

Free condoms constitute one of the greatest investments a society can make. All other developed nations know this.

Condoms are practically free as it is.  If you think the reason people aren't using them is because you can't afford them, you're mistaken.

When was the last time you bought condoms? Honestly, those things are expensive. They're probably almost getting as expensive as beer. Yea, you can probably just swing by the Red Door or whatever and grab a handful, but once you're out of college that seems a bit creepy. Sure, I don't think "they're too expensive" is much of an answer either, but don't go overboard here man. They're not exactly cheap if you are having regular sex and using them.


The #1 and #2 reasons why people have unprotected sex outside of marriage are:

1) Lack of sexual education.
2) Lack of availability of contraceptives.

Availability can mean many things, not just cost. In some parts of the country, condoms are simply not stocked. I bet some of those places are in Texas :P
 
2013-03-03 06:41:14 PM

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Side note: That screen is actually nowhere in Mario 3.

I assume it's from a romhack, but I dunno which one.
 
2013-03-03 06:41:41 PM

Harry_Seldon: serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

That is not quite accurate. What you have in the African-American and Hispanic community is a large number of teenagers who judge there self worth as adults by becoming mothers. The reward is the attention and self worth of being a parent, not the meager welfare benefits.


I suspect those values are not limited to African-American and Hispanic communities. Any society with strong faith-based family hierarchies are likely to encourage early motherhood, in my opinion.
 
2013-03-03 06:42:50 PM

serial_crusher: Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.

Because kids raised in orphanages turn out to be well-adjusted and productive taxpayers.  Keep going, you're doing great!

That's because we traditionally haven't given a shiat about spending money on them.  Success is not about whether or not your parents are in the picture.  It's about the education you get.
Republicans shiat all over our education system to lower taxes and Democrats shiat all over our education system to protect teachers unions.  If they'd both shut up and focus on reducing actually frivolous spending (i.e. bloated military budgets and handouts to people who have proven themselves irresponsible), we might be able to fix this mess of a country.


BSABSVR we know we know.
 
2013-03-03 06:50:32 PM
oh goody another troll thread

thanks a lot
 
2013-03-03 06:53:04 PM

Carth: Providing free contraception for women (and condoms for men) when they turn 16 or 18 is insanely cost effective. Once you remove morality Christian Wingtardism from the issue it doesn't make economic sense not to do it.


Fixed that for you.
 
2013-03-03 06:55:32 PM

make me some tea: Oh, and you can bet that since it's Texas, many of these kids are born to Hispanic parent(s)



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2013-03-03 06:55:45 PM
I posted this to my Facebook page and I know that one of my FB friends is going to comment with "just tell them to be abstainent until marriage and then use natural family planning, it's free." She really truly believes that this is a viable solution. Her vote counts the same as mine.
 
2013-03-03 06:59:29 PM

RockofAges: When was the last time you bought condoms made a baby? Honestly, those things are waaay more expensive than condoms.


FTFY
 
2013-03-03 07:01:25 PM

Phins: I posted this to my Facebook page and I know that one of my FB friends is going to comment with "just tell them to be abstainent until marriage and then use natural family planning, it's free." She really truly believes that this is a viable solution. Her vote counts the same as mine.


why wouldn't she just suggest that people buy condoms?
 
2013-03-03 07:04:18 PM
I think I can get everyone to come together on this issue.

Public spending on family planning saves the public money in the long run so let's do it as long as we still have a safety net and moral qualms about selling babies for their meat.
You can still look down on (most of the) the people too stupid to not get knocked up accidentally who are only saved from their own stupid by these programs.

Everyone's happy.
 
2013-03-03 07:12:30 PM
Our governor thinks the way to fight forest fires is to cut the budget to hire firemen and pray for rain. This should come as no surprise.
 
2013-03-03 07:13:59 PM

Ethertap: Who could have guessed that there are unintended consequences to unprotected sex?


That's why places like planned parenthood try to offer birth control to poor people. The GOP's answer to that was to pull their funding.

I realize that for a lot of Republicans, the idea of sex with girls is icky, but we have to face the facts. No one is ever going to stop people from farking. It's just never going to happen. Sexual desire is the second oldest biological impulse in human history, right behind breathing. Trying to legislate puritan ideals fails for that specific reason.
 
2013-03-03 07:25:37 PM
Just taking the opportunity to once more say "fark you Texas".
 
2013-03-03 07:32:19 PM
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2013-03-03 07:42:16 PM
By the by, Texas defunded Planned Parenthood not because the Planned Parenthood facilities we're providing abortions, but because they were affiliated with this facilities that provided abortions.

Arguably, this violates the constitutional right to freedom of association, but also other federal laws, thus, this cunning plan also made Texas ineligible for federal funding of family planning which provided 90% of the family planning services in Texas. this is what caused the closing of so many women's healthcare facilities (who had nothing to do with abortions)

/DRTFA but by the comments in this thread, it doesn't look like this was spelled out in said article.
// Yay, Texas!
 
2013-03-03 07:54:07 PM
Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?
 
2013-03-03 07:55:09 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


America! Fark no!
 
2013-03-03 07:57:26 PM
All you really need from the article in question:

Using taxpayer dollars to finance family-planning services has become politically thorny in Texas, largely because of Republican lawmakers' assertions that the women's health clinics providing that care are affiliated with abortion providers. In the fiscal crunch of 2011, the Legislature cut the state's family-planning budget by two-thirds, with some lawmakers claiming that they were defunding the "abortion industry." Researchers at the University of Texas at Austin, found that more than 50 family-planning clinics had closed statewide as a result. Now, amid estimates that the cuts could lead to 24,000 additional 2014-15 births at a cost to taxpayers of $273 million, lawmakers are seeking a way to restore financing without ruffling feathers.

In other news, single-issue politicians often don't have a "big picture" view. Texas just humped a bunk because not a single Republican politician understands the adage, "a stitch in time saves nine." They were so busy trying to make their derpy single-issue religious conservative constituents happy, that they really didn't consider the dollar value of that stitch.  Texas taxpayers are going to be on the hook for their own conservative stupidity, and it'll be fun watching them pay for those nine. It warms my farking heart, it does.

I can only hope other conservative states, like Kansas, Nebraska, and so on, continue to follow the (bad) example of Texas, because the longer their citizens remain in thrall to their own stupidity, the more obvious the success of basic social supports becomes to everyone else.
 
2013-03-03 07:58:11 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?
 
2013-03-03 07:58:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Parenthood should be planned from a person's birth.  Reversible sterilization until the person qualifies for a mortgage.

has 10 million dollars in assets.

FTFY
 
2013-03-03 07:59:16 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


Are people so farking stupid that they think cutting off easy access to birth control will stop people from having sex? Are you farking kidding?
 
2013-03-03 08:00:31 PM

SilentStrider: Gee. I wonder why the people in charge didn't see this coming.


I don't think they're planning on paying that $273m either.
 
2013-03-03 08:01:02 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

The Texas legislature recognizes the problem and is hoping for patriot missile systems to knock down the incoming storks.
 
2013-03-03 08:02:56 PM

kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?


using protection when having sex when you don't plan on having kids is a big part of it I'd imagine
 
2013-03-03 08:09:03 PM
Bet their corporate buddies will love this when most of these folks are living off the farking dollar menu though.
 
2013-03-03 08:10:52 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


Yes, actually. You'd be surprised how many myths - including myths reinforced by religious "education" - still circulate regarding the mechanism of reproduction. Two of my favorites:
If the man pulls out before he ejaculates, you won't get pregnant or a sexually transmitted disease.
You can't get pregnant if you have sex during your period.


Always amazes me when teenagers and young adults end up pregnant despite the proliferation of educational materials because they believe the damnedest things, and those things have the damnedest sources - peers, parents, books, bald-faced lies, and so on. So, yes, it's necessary to have a secular source of actual information, readily available, to which you can say "look, you don't have to take my word for it - go ask the school counselor/family planning clinic/doctor/whatever."

But, see, it's not just about "making babies." It's about understanding things like the idea that condoms don't just reduce the chance of pregnancy, but also reduce the chance of STD transmission. When you have religions telling you that if you use a condom, you're committing a sin, well, you need to have a secular source telling you the actual science. Remember, Texas politicians didn't do this just for the money - $71 million is chump change - but also to please religious conservatives who don't like competition from actual science. Those folks claimed a "moral victory" when they convinced politicians to pull this silly-ass move. What will be fun, of course, is the backpedaling those assholes will do when the rest of the Texas population realizes they're going to have to shell out four times as much taxpayer money to deal with the mess resulting from that "moral victory" - I'll bet we'll hear the "well, it's their own fault, those godless heathens" or some such trotted out as a deflection.
 
2013-03-03 08:14:27 PM

skullkrusher: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

using protection when having sex when you don't plan on having kids is a big part of it I'd imagine


Contraception is only one rib of the "family planning" umbrella. Emergency contraception, STD awareness, HIV/AIDS awareness, pre- and post-natal education & care, even general reproductive education for men & women - for most states, all of that is under the "family planning" umbrella.
 
2013-03-03 08:17:07 PM

ltdanman44: make me some tea: Oh, and you can bet that since it's Texas, many of these kids are born to Hispanic parent(s)


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Actually, that's just racially\ethnically prejudiced.

Racism: Believing in racial superiority/inferiority.
Racial Prejudice: Making assumptions regarding race based on otherwise insufficient evidence. (See: Stereotyping)
Racial Discrimination: Making exclusionary decisions based on race (actual or prejudiced).
 
2013-03-03 08:18:14 PM

jehovahs witness protection: STOP PAYING PEOPLE TO PUMP OUT BABBIES!!!!!1!


Yes, because as the situation in Africa makes clear, lack of resources clearly makes people stop forming babby. Oh wait, it just sets off the "I may not live..." impulse, which for some inexplicable reason is deeply connected with the "make more babies, NOW" impulse.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled sociopathic "the poor deserve to suffer because they committed the sin of being poor" prosperity gospel...
 
2013-03-03 08:24:47 PM

kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?


Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.
 
2013-03-03 08:27:18 PM

Smeggy Smurf: If only family planning was about planning to have a family and not murdering babies


The single most effective way to reduce the number of abortions...  is to provide free contraception.  Expecting people to not have sex does not work, and never has worked.
 
2013-03-03 08:33:53 PM

Propain_az: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.


Given the misinformation, half-truths, and flat out lies that a lot of families, schools, and churches tell kids about sex, it's a good idea to have an outside source available for a second opinion that has nothing to gain from lying to them.
 
2013-03-03 08:38:03 PM

burning_bridge: SilentStrider: Gee. I wonder why the people in charge didn't see this coming.

I don't think they're planning on paying that $273m either.


This is my surprised face.
 
2013-03-03 08:39:34 PM

RareChimer: ltdanman44: make me some tea: Oh, and you can bet that since it's Texas, many of these kids are born to Hispanic parent(s)


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Actually, that's just racially\ethnically prejudiced.

Racism: Believing in racial superiority/inferiority.
Racial Prejudice: Making assumptions regarding race based on otherwise insufficient evidence. (See: Stereotyping)
Racial Discrimination: Making exclusionary decisions based on race (actual or prejudiced).


Heh, well I was mostly goading the conservatives with that quip, but it is true that hispanics are the fastest growing demographic because they are the ethnic group that are having the most babies. Also, they tend to be poorer overall than other ethnicities. Nothing racist about it, just a matter of fact.
 
2013-03-03 08:40:20 PM

Propain_az: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.


Also, while you go off on your Glenn Beck-tin foil hat-ZOMG The State! rant, consider this. Easy access to birth control equals fewer pregnancies, fewer pregnancies equals fewer abortions and fewer unplanned births, fewer unplanned births equals fewer welfare recipients, fewer welfare recipients equals fewer families in poverty, fewer families in poverty equals fewer kids growing up on the streets because their parents don't care about them and turning to crime, fewer young criminals equals fewer people in prison, and fewer people in prison equals savings for taxpayers.

Being a Teabagger fundie reactionary is not compatible with being a fiscal conservative. Study it out.
 
2013-03-03 08:41:15 PM
There was no way that they could have seen this coming. There was no goddamn way.


/How many Farkers said that this exact thing was going to happen?
 
2013-03-03 08:42:13 PM

stoli n coke: Propain_az: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.

Also, while you go off on your Glenn Beck-tin foil hat-ZOMG The State! rant, consider this. Easy access to birth control equals fewer pregnancies, fewer pregnancies equals fewer abortions and fewer unplanned births, fewer unplanned births equals fewer welfare recipients, fewer welfare recipients equals fewer families in poverty, fewer families in poverty equals fewer kids growing up on the streets because their parents don't care about them and turning to crime, fewer young criminals equals fewer people in prison, and fewer people in prison equals savings for taxpayers.

Being a Teabagger fundie reactionary is not compatible with being a fiscal conservative. Study it out.


Synonyms make stoli go smash!
 
2013-03-03 08:54:05 PM

Krymson Tyde: Perhaps they can get started executing them fairly soon.


Swift the children. It is the only way to cure the dual problems of babies and too many hungry people.
 
2013-03-03 08:55:38 PM

skullkrusher: stoli n coke: Propain_az: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

Of courseI do.  And I don't think the State needs to intervene.  I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.  I can't believe that you, of all people, think that we should let people abdicate all responsibility for their lives.

Also, while you go off on your Glenn Beck-tin foil hat-ZOMG The State! rant, consider this. Easy access to birth control equals fewer pregnancies, fewer pregnancies equals fewer abortions and fewer unplanned births, fewer unplanned births equals fewer welfare recipients, fewer welfare recipients equals fewer families in poverty, fewer families in poverty equals fewer kids growing up on the streets because their parents don't care about them and turning to crime, fewer young criminals equals fewer people in prison, and fewer people in prison equals savings for taxpayers.

Being a Teabagger fundie reactionary is not compatible with being a fiscal conservative. Study it out.

Synonyms make stoli go smash!


It's just math.
 
2013-03-03 09:04:55 PM
Republicans, doing the wrong thing every time.
 
2013-03-03 09:06:14 PM

Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?


The conservative solution ended up with this. Any other bright ideas Republicans?
 
2013-03-03 09:16:20 PM

jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup


The fact that you don't find it funny is the funniest damn thing on this whole site.

Oh, how I'll giggle myself to sleep tonight!
 
2013-03-03 09:21:49 PM
In the unlikely event that this is actually true -- Texas can afford it. Unlike the vast majority of the other states.
 
2013-03-03 09:24:27 PM

FormlessOne: skullkrusher: kmmontandon: Propain_az: Are people so farking stupid that they need the state to help them understand how babies are made?  Are you farking kidding?

... you don't understand what "family planning" actually is, do you?

using protection when having sex when you don't plan on having kids is a big part of it I'd imagine

Contraception is only one rib of the "family planning" umbrella. Emergency contraception, STD awareness, HIV/AIDS awareness, pre- and post-natal education & care, even general reproductive education for men & women - for most states, all of that is under the "family planning" umbrella.


See, this is what I never got. For all of planned parenthoods jibba jabba about how abortion is such a small piece of what they do, and how many people they're helping... Why not just stop with the abortions and keep the rest going? No, it's all or nothing with these clowns but the republicans are to blame for you not getting a free Pap smear.

/and I like the "men and women" part of your post. Does that invalidate the "war on women" argument?
 
2013-03-03 09:29:36 PM

burning_bridge: SilentStrider: Gee. I wonder why the people in charge didn't see this coming.

I don't think they're planning on paying that $273m either.


What we are going to end up with is a serious increase in violent crime and unemployment in about 18 years. And then we'll part 10 times that amount to incarcerate these people.
 
2013-03-03 09:31:44 PM

serial_crusher: Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.

Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.  Might actually turn out in everybody's favor, well except for certain political parties who prefer a cycle of poverty to ensure a strong voter base.


The state of education in Texas is not set up or funded in such a way.
 
2013-03-03 09:38:49 PM

way south: I know people here are tempted to think that without planned parenthood personally putting its restraining hand on everyone's penis, we'd all breed like rabbits and overpopulate the planet.
The truth is rarely so politically convenient.


I know people like you are temped to think that if you post enough derp, we'll have 1,000 years of Randian utopia and Sarah Palin will finally sleep with you.
The truth is rarely so politically convenient.
 
2013-03-03 09:39:54 PM
When are you idiot Liberals ever going to stand up on your on and quit with all the Government handouts??

Farking losers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XxhOMAdLSU
 
2013-03-03 09:43:35 PM

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.


Actually, political polls and voting trends indicate that what we are actually going to do is stop rewarding neoconservatives with our votes for being assholes.
And I hope you don't like it.
 
2013-03-03 09:46:23 PM

clane: When are you idiot Liberals ever going to stand up on your on and quit with all the Government handouts??

Farking losers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XxhOMAdLSU


my librarian has the sexiest, smoothest most loving hands you've ever se... oh, Government handouts? My bad
 
2013-03-03 10:37:38 PM
Maybe these mental midgets actually thought that without family planning services people would just, you know, stop f*cking.

Stupid, stupid morons.
 
2013-03-03 10:43:56 PM

GAT_00: "It's a much better way to treat the women because they don't just have family-planning issues," said Senator Robert Deuell, Republican of Greenville, a family physician who has advocated an increase in primary-care services for women.

This couldn't sound any more arrogant if he tried.  He's being such a good person by acknowledging that women should be treated as people.


THIS.
 
2013-03-03 10:46:33 PM

Nadie_AZ: Lionel Mandrake: Is this the official "pro-life" position?

Easy black and white solutions are easy to take a stand with.

cameroncrazy1984: You would actually believe the Welfare Queen myth.

And it still conjures up images of black women with lots of kids.


Funny that, considering white people are far more likely to both be on welfare AND to have lots of kids (most Mormons and Catholics are white and those farkers believe farking for procreation til you die is the only way).
 
2013-03-03 10:49:41 PM
BECAUSE POOR FARKING PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, EDUCATION AND RESOURCES YOU JACKASS. SO LET'S REMOVE ASSISTANCE THAT *STOPS* THAT, AND CRANK OUT MORE KIDS.
 
2013-03-03 10:51:27 PM

Smeggy Smurf: If only family planning was about planning to have a family and not murdering babies


But murdering babies IS part of family planning. It's pre-planning. If I just start popping kids out left and right that I can't afford, I will become a burden in society. But if I murder a couple of babies, I can continue my schooling to lead a productive life and actually raise children in a good environment. Your way is just to have the farking kids and everything will be farking rosy. Except it's not.

/not every aborted baby is a Nobel Prize winner
//humans are not sacred (we are actually pretty farked up animals)
 
2013-03-03 10:52:18 PM
Sorry. Shouldn't have yelled. I get seriously farking pissed off when idiots cannot see how contraception programs, funded by the Government, REDUCE THE PROBLEM.

Then again, ignorance is farking bliss.
 
2013-03-03 10:55:20 PM

serial_crusher: Nadie_AZ: serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Rather, stop taking care of American children. Stop providing for future American citizens. Punish people who have sex and no money and hurt their children worse. Or maybe we could take those children away to punish those welfare queens. And we could then ... what? Give the children to those that can afford them? Like the wealthy? The rich? They can afford 100s of children.

I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.



So is the official "small government" response?
 
2013-03-03 11:04:13 PM

ahasp: So is the official "small government" response?


It's more of a hope & change sort of thing really.
 
2013-03-03 11:27:45 PM
Phins: I posted this to my Facebook page and I know that one of my FB friends is going to comment with "just tell them to be abstainent until marriage and then use natural family planning, it's free." She really truly believes that this is a viable solution. Her vote counts the same as mine.

skullkrusher: why wouldn't she just suggest that people buy condoms?

No, no condoms. She objects to aid workers in Africa handing out condoms along with food and medicine. This gives the impression that condoms are good, in the same way that food and medicine are good.

Natural family planning ONLY. And sex only in the way that can result in pregnancy. Any other kind of sex is bad for you. Having sex without being willing to have a child is saying that children are bad. Also, contraception and family planning are not healthcare and should not be covered by health insurance. The only acceptable solution and way of life is abstain until marriage and use NFP after you're married. And don't do anything kinky. That's also wrong and bad for you.

Yeah, she's a Catholic convert.
 
2013-03-03 11:35:42 PM

Phins: Phins: I posted this to my Facebook page and I know that one of my FB friends is going to comment with "just tell them to be abstainent until marriage and then use natural family planning, it's free." She really truly believes that this is a viable solution. Her vote counts the same as mine.

skullkrusher: why wouldn't she just suggest that people buy condoms?

No, no condoms. She objects to aid workers in Africa handing out condoms along with food and medicine. This gives the impression that condoms are good, in the same way that food and medicine are good.

Natural family planning ONLY. And sex only in the way that can result in pregnancy. Any other kind of sex is bad for you. Having sex without being willing to have a child is saying that children are bad. Also, contraception and family planning are not healthcare and should not be covered by health insurance. The only acceptable solution and way of life is abstain until marriage and use NFP after you're married. And don't do anything kinky. That's also wrong and bad for you.

Yeah, she's a Catholic convert.


ah, Catholic converts are the worst. Well, after born agains maybe. Those of us with the good fortune to be born in the One True Church know when to ignore it.
Jimmy hats are one such example. And gay marriage.
 
2013-03-03 11:45:30 PM

Phins: Phins: I posted this to my Facebook page and I know that one of my FB friends is going to comment with "just tell them to be abstainent until marriage and then use natural family planning, it's free." She really truly believes that this is a viable solution. Her vote counts the same as mine.

skullkrusher: why wouldn't she just suggest that people buy condoms?

No, no condoms. She objects to aid workers in Africa handing out condoms along with food and medicine. This gives the impression that condoms are good, in the same way that food and medicine are good.

Natural family planning ONLY. And sex only in the way that can result in pregnancy. Any other kind of sex is bad for you. Having sex without being willing to have a child is saying that children are bad. Also, contraception and family planning are not healthcare and should not be covered by health insurance. The only acceptable solution and way of life is abstain until marriage and use NFP after you're married. And don't do anything kinky. That's also wrong and bad for you.

Yeah, she's a Catholic convert.


Would you kindly email me her name so that I can be properly warned should I ever meet her....I don't think my skull could withstand the gravitational force of that much derp.
 
2013-03-03 11:49:11 PM

Dougie AXP: Would you kindly email me her name so that I can be properly warned should I ever meet her....I don't think my skull could withstand the gravitational force of that much derp.


easy there, player. Catholic girls from birth are easy. The Catholic converts are tough nuts to crack
 
2013-03-03 11:50:39 PM

skullkrusher: Dougie AXP: Would you kindly email me her name so that I can be properly warned should I ever meet her....I don't think my skull could withstand the gravitational force of that much derp.

easy there, player. Catholic girls from birth are easy. The Catholic converts are tough nuts to crack


You misunderstand my original post. I want to be forewarned enough to make sure I get as far as farking possible should I ever run across that.
 
2013-03-03 11:53:12 PM

skullkrusher: I think I can get everyone to come together on this issue.

Public spending on family planning saves the public money in the long run so let's do it as long as we still have a safety net and moral qualms about selling babies for their meat.
You can still look down on (most of the) the people too stupid to not get knocked up accidentally who are only saved from their own stupid by these programs.

Everyone's happy.


So wait, what happens when we no longer have any moral qualms about selling babies for their meat? Do we spend that on family planning instead, or will we need to revise the system again?
 
2013-03-03 11:55:40 PM

Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: I think I can get everyone to come together on this issue.

Public spending on family planning saves the public money in the long run so let's do it as long as we still have a safety net and moral qualms about selling babies for their meat.
You can still look down on (most of the) the people too stupid to not get knocked up accidentally who are only saved from their own stupid by these programs.

Everyone's happy.

So wait, what happens when we no longer have any moral qualms about selling babies for their meat? Do we spend that on family planning instead, or will we need to revise the system again?


fark woman, I haven't thought that far ahead and it's late. Cut me some slack.
 
2013-03-03 11:56:16 PM

Dougie AXP: skullkrusher: Dougie AXP: Would you kindly email me her name so that I can be properly warned should I ever meet her....I don't think my skull could withstand the gravitational force of that much derp.

easy there, player. Catholic girls from birth are easy. The Catholic converts are tough nuts to crack

You misunderstand my original post. I want to be forewarned enough to make sure I get as far as farking possible should I ever run across that.


hehe I know. It was an intentional misreading for a wee jokery. No offense meant
 
2013-03-04 12:30:44 AM
Defund that $273M giveaway.

Problem solved.
 
2013-03-04 12:35:37 AM

clane: When are you idiot Liberals ever going to stand up on your on and quit with all the Government handouts??

Farking losers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XxhOMAdLSU


Remember, boys and girls:

* $73M for family planning:  zOMG SOOOOOOOOOCIALISM!

* Unlimited funds to blow schitt up in Iraqn:  USA!  USA!  USA!  USA!  USA!
 
2013-03-04 12:39:53 AM
Texas: penny-wise, pound foolish.
 
2013-03-04 02:52:46 AM

serial_crusher: Fart_Machine: serial_crusher: I've always advocated a well funded orphanage to go along with jail time and sterilization for the dole mongers.
Kids still get taken care of (by people who are actually qualified), and dumbasses who couldn't be bothered to put on a condom only create 1 additional mouth to feed instead of 17.

Yes, by giving more kids over to the state and putting their parents in jail you're sure to reduce costs.  You should run for office in Texas.  You'll get elected for sure.

Less about saving money and more about doing the right thing.
Besides, by actually educating those kids and raising them with proper role models, we could turn them into productive taxpayers instead of the next generation of freeloaders.  Might actually turn out in everybody's favor, well except for certain political parties who prefer a cycle of poverty to ensure a strong voter base.


Sterilization at least is the right thing.
 
2013-03-04 03:11:21 AM
Well, Texas got some sex education after all.

They just paid through the... well, not really the nose, but they certainly paid a lot for it.
 
2013-03-04 03:34:58 AM

way south: I know people here are tempted to think that without planned parenthood personally putting its restraining hand on everyone's penis, we'd all breed like rabbits and overpopulate the planet.
The truth is rarely so politically convenient.


Wait, Planned Parenthood gives hand jobs now?
 
2013-03-04 03:47:18 AM
Wait, did these increased births actually happen, or does someone just think that they will?
 
2013-03-04 04:12:52 AM

dookdookdook: dustman81: [www.gnorb.net image 367x238]

Side note: That screen is actually nowhere in Mario 3.

I assume it's from a romhack, but I dunno which one.


Yeah it is.
 
2013-03-04 04:48:02 AM

SevenizGud: Defund that $273M giveaway.

Problem solved.


So let the children of poor families (children who only exist in the first place because of retarded fundies who think birth control is a tool of the devil, and that telling people not to fark has ever worked) starve to death in the streets. That's clearly the best plan!

You Republican assholes really DO want to make the USA a third-world country, don't you?
 
2013-03-04 05:26:26 AM
weblog.sinteur.com
 
2013-03-04 06:33:09 AM

jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup


"Let's institute a party platform that ensures millions of children are born into perpetual poverty, and then bemoan the fact that they grow up to vote against us!"

Farking idiots.
 
2013-03-04 06:42:34 AM
Heh... Good job, Texas. That's the kind of short-sighted stupidity I've come to expect from you.

Don't worry, though... Putting Creationism and Intelligent Design in all our textbooks should take your mind off all those poor children you're going to have to take care of.
 
2013-03-04 07:52:00 AM
Cost-savings should never be the driving force behind legislating social change, especially when it comes to terminating/planning life which should be a choice an individual makes, and bears responsibility for, on their own.

I mean hell, we could kill everyone who lives longer than 67 and save a Trillion dollars in medicare and SS
 
2013-03-04 08:25:17 AM

o5iiawah: Cost-savings should never be the driving force behind legislating social change, especially when it comes to terminating/planning life which should be a choice an individual makes, and bears responsibility for, on their own.

I mean hell, we could kill everyone who lives longer than 67 and save a Trillion dollars in medicare and SS


Yes, encouraging the use of contraceptives and making resources available to help people make those decisions more responsibly is exactly the same thing as going Logans Run.

/eye roll
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-03-04 08:29:24 AM

jehovahs witness protection: syrynxx: The funny part - those babbies are all going to vote Democratic in 18 years.

True. But it's NOT funny.

serial_crusher: Solution: stop rewarding welfare queens for having babies.

Yup


ohyou.jpg
 
2013-03-04 09:12:44 AM

o5iiawah: Cost-savings should never be the driving force behind legislating social change, especially when it comes to terminating/planning life which should be a choice an individual makes, and bears responsibility for, on their own.

I mean hell, we could kill everyone who lives longer than 67 and save a Trillion dollars in medicare and SS



So, you now admit that pro-life Teabaggers don't really care about the economy, and their opposition to planned parenthood has everything to do with sticking their nose in other peoples business?

Fact is, a 60 dollar a month birth control prescription costs a lost less than 18-years of welfare or foster care stipends.
 
2013-03-04 09:37:14 AM
Texans not good at maths? Unpossible!!
 
2013-03-04 11:51:43 AM
But some women's health advocates are concerned that without modifications to the primary-care program, the strategy would divert money for services like contraception to health services for older women.

buwhahahaaa. so $100M won't even be used to help the problem?
 
2013-03-05 08:44:15 PM

Propain_az: kmmontandon: Propain_az: I'm simply astounded by the general ignorance of people.



Criminy, people have been behaving this way for 10s of thousands of years and you act like you've just noticed.

Yer kinda ignorant yourself ya know.
 
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