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2013-03-03 10:10:02 PM  
Time to get this thread back on the proper track.

China pollution blaaaaaaaaaaaargh.
No it's a utopia of air that smells like pixie farts blaaaaaaaaaahhhrh

You guys need your ADD meds.
 
2013-03-03 10:13:37 PM  

WordsnCollision: Key to living in Beijing: get the highest apartment possible.

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Surreal.
 
2013-03-03 10:17:15 PM  

MNguy: Nobody?  A bunch of propagandist eating retards


So, you're saying Beijing's air is fine?

SOMEONE's  been eating propaganda, that's certain.

Not even the Chinese government believes you:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-20/china-to-impose-limits-on-s ix -industries-to-tackle-air-pollution.html
 
2013-03-03 10:19:14 PM  

kriegfusion: They want as little government as possible and still function.


Which the "starve the beast" Republicans take advantage of in order to make sure  Libertarianism as it's understood and practiced in the US is politically allied with them.
 
2013-03-03 10:34:35 PM  

kg2095: ciberido: MNguy: kg2095: SpdrJay: As long as China keeps it's air pollution to itself, I say it's their business.

They don't. Some of their air pollution is dust caused by large scale deforestation. At a certain time each year South Korea is subject to Yellow Dust Storms from blown over from China. It's bad enough to cause fatalities in those with preexisting respiratory problems.

Citation needed

And earlier you just used personal experience as your "proof."  I don't know what the hell your problem is, whether you're a troll, or being paid by China to push propaganda, or just a really belligerent crank, but whatever.   Done with you.

That's fine with me. The last thing I want is aggressive, angry people responding to my posts.


So you're admitting to being MNGuy's alt?
 
2013-03-03 11:11:38 PM  
This guy does not represent MN.  Most of us are sensible.  Sorry for the conflation.
 
2013-03-03 11:28:58 PM  

ThunderPelvis: Lunchlady: WhyteRaven74: Lunchlady: Literally that is all you have to do and you'll have proved your point.

Or look up actual air quality measurements, like the ppm number. And that is something that's not hard to look up. Just need to find a two week period where LA or wherever was over 240 ppm the whole time and got to 300 at some point and you could argue that it's as bad as China.

We tried that, he ignored that link. Photos seem to get the best results.

Being an obstinate ignoramus just comes so easily to some. Apparently living somewhere for 6 months makes you an infallible expert on every single f*cking thing about that place. No need for citations, data, or...you know...facts.


Or just pulling #'s off of google, which really makes you an expert.  Instead of, you know, being there or anything.  PPM is from the American Embassy.  Keep drinking that kool-aid and knowing your 'facts'
 
2013-03-03 11:32:39 PM  

LoneDoggie: Time to get this thread back on the proper track.

China pollution blaaaaaaaaaaaargh.
No it's a utopia of air that smells like pixie farts blaaaaaaaaaahhhrh

You guys need your ADD meds.


Look, China is a shiathole, no problem with that.  People who google image search 'China air pollution' are morans.
 
2013-03-03 11:39:53 PM  

gibbon1: James F. Campbell: But let's be honest here: is it any less than Americans deserve?

Americans are lucky they don't get what they want more often.


The Constitution is not luck.
 
2013-03-03 11:42:55 PM  
I was in Beijing earlier this week and it was terrible. My hotel provided a mask, but I chose not to wear it.  The sandstorm story is BS.
 
2013-03-03 11:48:24 PM  

Spaghetti Eatin' Goombah: I was in Beijing earlier this week and it was terrible.


You probably have cancer
 
2013-03-03 11:51:36 PM  

flypusher713: I've lived in the greater Houston metro region for over 25 years, and I've seen some smog.  I've seen plenty of ozone alerts.  But I've NEVER, let me repeat NEVER, seen smog like I'm seeing in these pictures of China, or what I saw on TV watching the 2008 Olympics.


I grew up NW of LA, in Simi Valley from 1964-79 - when Simi was nothing.  You had to go to the San Fernando Valley to get anything.  Goint thru the Santa Susanna pass you were greeted by the SF Valley laying under a brownish-pink blanket.  Once down in the blanket visibility was 2-3 miles, rarely worse - certainly NOTHING like the pix of China now.

Even as a boy of 8 I knew better than to go swimming during a smog alert (your lungs feel like they are on fire), I shudder to think what that toxic brume is doing to people there.
 
2013-03-03 11:57:24 PM  
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2013-03-04 12:04:50 AM  

MNguy: ThunderPelvis: Lunchlady: WhyteRaven74: Lunchlady: Literally that is all you have to do and you'll have proved your point.

Or look up actual air quality measurements, like the ppm number. And that is something that's not hard to look up. Just need to find a two week period where LA or wherever was over 240 ppm the whole time and got to 300 at some point and you could argue that it's as bad as China.

We tried that, he ignored that link. Photos seem to get the best results.

Being an obstinate ignoramus just comes so easily to some. Apparently living somewhere for 6 months makes you an infallible expert on every single f*cking thing about that place. No need for citations, data, or...you know...facts.

Or just pulling #'s off of google, which really makes you an expert.  Instead of, you know, being there or anything.  PPM is from the American Embassy.  Keep drinking that kool-aid and knowing your 'facts'


You are quite possibly the dumbest person I have ever seen on Fark, which is saying quite a bit, but one of the most successful trolls as well.  Bravo, sir, bravo.
 
2013-03-04 12:17:13 AM  
It's like an idiot zoo in here.
 
2013-03-04 12:20:28 AM  
Beijing is the worst place on the planet.  I've never been there but I've seen pictures
 
2013-03-04 12:38:40 AM  

MNguy: Nobody?  A bunch of propagandist eating retards


LOL, boy you're dumb. But it sure is cute when you try out those big words.
 
2013-03-04 12:43:51 AM  
"We used to complain that we could no longer see the stars at night.  Now we can't see the sun!" -- some Chinese comedian
 
2013-03-04 12:52:13 AM  

valar_morghulis: MNguy: Nobody?  A bunch of propagandist eating retards

LOL, boy you're dumb. But it sure is cute when you try out those big words.


Tell me about your time in Beijing.
 
2013-03-04 01:24:05 AM  
Don't take long to fins new entries for the ole ignore list.

So long asshole who claims to have lived in China when he probably hasn't managed to unglue himself from the couch in mom's basement yet.
 
2013-03-04 01:35:06 AM  
I love when people who have obviously never been to China make broad statements about it.
Beijing pollution fluctuates with the seasons, burning of coal, and dust storms. Sure, the tier 1 cities get polluted, but where I live in Guangdong has ~100 million people living in an area half the size of Colorado, so it's expected.
 
2013-03-04 01:54:26 AM  

Zafler: Dude, the Libertarian party specifically has a stance saying that the free market will control the usage of natural resources so that they won't be misused.  China is a pretty good example of unfettered usage of natural resources, and they're polluting themselves.

They also claim education and health care is best addressed through the free market also.  Something that has repeatedly been shown to increase the stratification of the population where it is used.  The U.S. is a decent example, despite the mild regulation, of how free market style health care f*cks people without the money to pay for it.

I don't know who the hell you are, but you don't know what the party you claim to be part of, or similar in beliefs to, actual purports to accomplish.


I'd like to see citations for it. And even if it is so, whoever they are doesn't represent all Libertarians, perhaps just a section of it.  As i stated, there are many flavors of it.  China is not a good example resource use for your example, because they have an oligarchical government that is barely accountable to the people.  If that shiat they were doing was done here in the states, the people would not stand for it.  The free market is a good and first place to go for answers (within this labor for money economy we have; theres a better way, but thats another argument), but not the end all be all.   I am very interested, as i stated already, that even as a Libertarian I would be interested in hearing about government managed healthcare or some alternative, because what we have sucks.

Let me state this again, maybe you'll get it this time: Private companies can be just as dangerous as government entities, I have no doubt of these and need no lecture on it.  \

I know the Libertarian party well enough. There are many viewpoints on many issues. It's not cut and dry.
 
2013-03-04 02:02:15 AM  

thenumber5: kriegfusion: Bunch of nutters huh. Really? I consider myself closer to being Libertarian than any of those other yahoo parties (and even I acknowledge the many different types of people in those parties of course) and I am probably closer to the big government side of things on certain situations. I think universal healthcare and education should be seriously looked at. I grew up a total diehard Rush Limbaugh supporter (as much as a youth can support something they dont fully understand) and believed his whole bullshiat about government doing no good and business has the answer to everything.  I now see , such as this example in china, unfettered government negligence on an issue  can directly lead to the deaths of people.

I firmly believe the old maxim of "that government is best which governs least", but I do think however distasteful government is, we need some. I  no longer blindly follow corporations and their propaganda, same with government BS we hear day in and day out.

The L party is made up of many, many people from all walks of life, and they disagree constantly on what levels of intervention are best. It's a great thing, this discourse.  If thats your idea of nutter, then call me Nutella, and spread me all over your delicious body.

So...Your a Libertarian but disagree with 99% of the platform...

make sense you where a Rush supporter


99%? stop being obtuse. You may speak when you aren't acting like a 2 year old. Now shoo.
 
2013-03-04 02:04:14 AM  

quatchi: kriegfusion: They want as little government as possible and still function.

Which the "starve the beast" Republicans take advantage of in order to make sure  Libertarianism as it's understood and practiced in the US is politically allied with them.


Not quite sure what you mean by this, nor the quotation. Sorry.
 
2013-03-04 02:24:37 AM  

kriegfusion: quatchi: kriegfusion: They want as little government as possible and still function.

Which the "starve the beast" Republicans take advantage of in order to make sure  Libertarianism as it's understood and practiced in the US is politically allied with them.

Not quite sure what you mean by this, nor the quotation. Sorry.


"Starve the beast" is a quote attributed to a Reagan staffer back in the day.

Krugman explains it better than I could...

"Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening the government's fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit." He wrote that the "...beast is starving, as planned..." and that "Republicans insist that the deficit must be eliminated, but they're not willing either to raise taxes or to support cuts in any major government programs. And they're not willing to participate in serious bipartisan discussions, either, because that might force them to explain their plan-and there isn't any plan, except to regain power."

The Libertarian "government is best which governs least" philosophy plays into that so neatly it assures that Libertarians (in the US at least) will never be looked at as anything other than useful dupes for the GOP and that they will never be viewed as a legitimate independent party in their own right, just the Republican's loopy kid brother.
 
2013-03-04 02:51:21 AM  
The quote you linked sounds pretty shiatty to me, and typical politics as usual. thank you for the explanation about it.

The greater issue with that is Libertarians shouldn't be voting for the GOP at all.  My idea of Libertarianism, and others i've talked to share the view in some ways (southern california) is basically little government in most areas, but health care coverage, some kind of education thought that is up for debate, and scientific funding (since corporations can't see past the next quarterly and have little interest in something that doesn't have a good ROI quickly or plainly).  Various small other things, but thats the gist of it.

I've mostly given up on politics as any real mechanism for change personally, and actually am interested in redesigning society as a whole, ala the whole zeitgeist thing ive been reading about. But within our current political framework, Libertarianism seems the best to me. Maybe we need a new independent party. I'm up for anything that works, and wear no colors.  I dont even say the pledge of allegiance (edgy right! Look out we got a badass over here! lol) since I profess allegiance to no flag or person. Simply an idea; to cause as little harm as possible to others, and make the world a better place.

/steps off soapbox
 
2013-03-04 04:10:23 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: ajgeek: But cheap goods! CAPITALISM! Where will all those poor repressed stockholders go if we implement "standards!?"

Funny!
You think china is a capitalist country!!

Classic.
When you take 9th grade world history you may learn something about china.


winnar!!
 
2013-03-04 08:26:24 AM  

MNguy: valar_morghulis: MNguy: Nobody?  A bunch of propagandist eating retards

LOL, boy you're dumb. But it sure is cute when you try out those big words.

Tell me about your time in Beijing.


Are you "working" right now MN? Because your playbook seems to lifted from Chinese payed shills on Chinese social media sites. You may have noticed that doesn't work so well here.
 
2013-03-04 08:52:42 AM  

MNguy: valar_morghulis: MNguy: Nobody?  A bunch of propagandist eating retards

LOL, boy you're dumb. But it sure is cute when you try out those big words.

Tell me about your time in Beijing.


I think I may have figured it out...whatever MNguy was doing in China was probably the best thing to happen in his life and he was probably regarded a whole lot better there than he was everywhere else he had been. So now he needs to try and relive his glory years by denigrating anyone who has not been there.
 
2013-03-04 09:08:14 AM  

johnny_vegas: MNguy: valar_morghulis: MNguy: Nobody?  A bunch of propagandist eating retards

LOL, boy you're dumb. But it sure is cute when you try out those big words.

Tell me about your time in Beijing.

I think I may have figured it out...whatever MNguy was doing in China was probably the best thing to happen in his life and he was probably regarded a whole lot better there than he was everywhere else he had been. So now he needs to try and relive his glory years by denigrating anyone who has not been there.


Good call.  I just try not to judge places by GIS, but whatever floats your boat.

/My glory years were in Thailand.
 
2013-03-04 09:19:26 AM  

MNguy: johnny_vegas: MNguy: valar_morghulis: MNguy: Nobody?  A bunch of propagandist eating retards

LOL, boy you're dumb. But it sure is cute when you try out those big words.

Tell me about your time in Beijing.

I think I may have figured it out...whatever MNguy was doing in China was probably the best thing to happen in his life and he was probably regarded a whole lot better there than he was everywhere else he had been. So now he needs to try and relive his glory years by denigrating anyone who has not been there.

Good call.  I just try not to judge places by GIS, but whatever floats your boat.

/My glory years were in Thailand.


you are continually moving the goalposts.....now it is GIS that bothers you?  what about others here with at least as much experience in beijing as you and more recent?  What about links provided that show comparative air quality?

I really do not understand your angst....sure most on here are making assumptions based on available data (or conjecture)...if no one did that I am guessing Fark would be out of business.  But those people are right about this issue....you tried to refute that and were proven wrong eventually conceding that so what is it???
 
2013-03-04 09:43:38 AM  

johnny_vegas: MNguy: johnny_vegas: MNguy: valar_morghulis: MNguy: Nobody?  A bunch of propagandist eating retards

LOL, boy you're dumb. But it sure is cute when you try out those big words.

Tell me about your time in Beijing.

I think I may have figured it out...whatever MNguy was doing in China was probably the best thing to happen in his life and he was probably regarded a whole lot better there than he was everywhere else he had been. So now he needs to try and relive his glory years by denigrating anyone who has not been there.

Good call.  I just try not to judge places by GIS, but whatever floats your boat.

/My glory years were in Thailand.

you are continually moving the goalposts.....now it is GIS that bothers you?  what about others here with at least as much experience in beijing as you and more recent?  What about links provided that show comparative air quality?

I really do not understand your angst....sure most on here are making assumptions based on available data (or conjecture)...if no one did that I am guessing Fark would be out of business.  But those people are right about this issue....you tried to refute that and were proven wrong eventually conceding that so what is it???


I'm only saying that if you haven't been to Beijing, you can't make statements about the air quality there
 
2013-03-04 09:47:34 AM  

kriegfusion: My idea of Libertarianism, and others i've talked to share the view in some ways (southern california) is basically little government in most areas, but health care coverage, some kind of education thought that is up for debate, and scientific funding (since corporations can't see past the next quarterly and have little interest in something that doesn't have a good ROI quickly or plainly). Various small other things, but thats the gist of it.


And this is what people don't understand.  They get all frothy and spout nonsense about anarchy, "so vote Republican", derp, etc.  Libertarianism isn't about anarchy.  On the economic side, it's about not letting the government step in the way of self-determination.  Things like protecting the environment, government run health care, etc aren't contrary to that, but the economic philosophy requires that there is reasoning applied to balance the cost on people(like not ratifying Kyoto).  Fascist corporatism isn't libertarian philosophy, it's the philosophy of the Democratic and Republican parties
 
2013-03-04 12:51:23 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: ajgeek: But cheap goods! CAPITALISM! Where will all those poor repressed stockholders go if we implement "standards!?"

Funny!
You think china is a capitalist country!!

Classic.
When you take 9th grade world history you may learn something about china.


I think you may have missed the point.
 
2013-03-04 12:58:42 PM  

ByOwlLight: I like how they're going to put all of that money towards stopping the sandstorms, but not the pollution.


Lol.  Giant weather controlling machines on the way!  Problem solved!
 
2013-03-04 01:50:21 PM  
Came here for pics of Asian chicks wearing pollution masks, leaving disappointed...
 
2013-03-04 02:38:34 PM  

WordsnCollision: Shanghai has an interesting English-language online AQI monitoring page with a real-time webcam and a cute way to display the air pollution level:


Did they have to make the character cry?  Now I'm tearing up.
 
2013-03-04 02:50:20 PM  
Shanghai's was just as bad.

Stay longer than a few weeks in China and you're sure to be coughing up flecks of blood.
 
2013-03-04 04:00:10 PM  

MNguy: johnny_vegas: MNguy: johnny_vegas: MNguy: valar_morghulis: MNguy: Nobody?  A bunch of propagandist eating retards

LOL, boy you're dumb. But it sure is cute when you try out those big words.

Tell me about your time in Beijing.

I think I may have figured it out...whatever MNguy was doing in China was probably the best thing to happen in his life and he was probably regarded a whole lot better there than he was everywhere else he had been. So now he needs to try and relive his glory years by denigrating anyone who has not been there.

Good call.  I just try not to judge places by GIS, but whatever floats your boat.

/My glory years were in Thailand.

you are continually moving the goalposts.....now it is GIS that bothers you?  what about others here with at least as much experience in beijing as you and more recent?  What about links provided that show comparative air quality?

I really do not understand your angst....sure most on here are making assumptions based on available data (or conjecture)...if no one did that I am guessing Fark would be out of business.  But those people are right about this issue....you tried to refute that and were proven wrong eventually conceding that so what is it???

I'm only saying that if you haven't been to Beijing, you can't make statements about the air quality there


There have been literally dozens of people in this thread (including me) who have been to Beijing and you've dismissed every one of them for one reason or another. You are the only person who's been to Beijing that seems to think it's as bad as LA or Houston, which you haven't been to so by your reasoning you shouldn't even be able to say anything.
 
2013-03-04 04:09:33 PM  

Kygz: /not been to LA


I'm in LA right now.  Sky is blue, normally - with a slight tinge of white-brown in the distance, but I can see for quite a ways.  In fact, what blocks the view isn't the air, but buildings (or sometimes, the mountains - which I can see from many miles away normally).  Today it looks like it wants to rain, it's a bit overcast, but I can still see things which are quite a ways away despite the humidity and clouds.  I'm in El Segundo, a mile or so south of LAX.

The air in China is blown around a lot by all the high pressure systems in that area.  If MNguy is saying that it only looks bad sometimes - then sometimes it looks bad *despite* the air being constantly recycled.  That pollution didn't just go away though - it just moved.  So...
 
2013-03-04 04:13:40 PM  

MNguy: I'm only saying that if you haven't been to Beijing, you can't make statements about the air quality there


I don't personally own air quality measuring equipment.  I thus have to rely upon the results of the scientists who study that shiat.  I also don't have to fix my own bones if they break, come up with my own flu shots, build my own cars, etc.  This is the year 2013 - we let people specialize these days.  Gone are the days where we live in huts, making our own butter, flour, fences, roof, blah etc.  Now, we have the butter maker make the butter, the fence maker make the fence, and the climatologists study the weather.  Welcome to this...or rather, the previous...millenium.
 
2013-03-04 05:20:11 PM  
Lunchlady:

There have been literally dozens of people in this thread (including me) who have been to Beijing and you've dismissed every one of them for one reason or another. You are the only person who's been to Beijing that seems to think it's as bad as LA or Houston, which you haven't been to so by your reasoning you shouldn't even be able to say anything.

I've been to both LA and Houston
 
2013-03-04 06:09:46 PM  

MNguy: Lunchlady:

There have been literally dozens of people in this thread (including me) who have been to Beijing and you've dismissed every one of them for one reason or another. You are the only person who's been to Beijing that seems to think it's as bad as LA or Houston, which you haven't been to so by your reasoning you shouldn't even be able to say anything.

I've been to both LA and Houston


Ah, but you haven't lived in both so by your own rules you are not allowed to comment because you don't know what you're talking about.

You are literally the only person in the whole entire world outside of China that thinks either of those cities are on par with Beijing when it comes to pollution.
 
2013-03-05 12:11:10 AM  

IamAwake: MNguy: I'm only saying that if you haven't been to Beijing, you can't make statements about the air quality there

I don't personally own air quality measuring equipment.  I thus have to rely upon the results of the scientists who study that shiat.  I also don't have to fix my own bones if they break, come up with my own flu shots, build my own cars, etc.  This is the year 2013 - we let people specialize these days.  Gone are the days where we live in huts, making our own butter, flour, fences, roof, blah etc.  Now, we have the butter maker make the butter, the fence maker make the fence, and the climatologists study the weather.  Welcome to this...or rather, the previous...millenium.


I thought that said feces.....hoped the thread was taking an interesting turn
 
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