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2013-03-03 05:00:48 PM

MNguy: kg2095: SpdrJay: As long as China keeps it's air pollution to itself, I say it's their business.

They don't. Some of their air pollution is dust caused by large scale deforestation. At a certain time each year South Korea is subject to Yellow Dust Storms from blown over from China. It's bad enough to cause fatalities in those with preexisting respiratory problems.

Citation needed


Personal observation from when I lived in Suwon, South Korea in 2009.

Also here: http://www.usfk.mil/usfk/weather-yellowsand
 
2013-03-03 05:01:47 PM

Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: kg2095: SpdrJay: As long as China keeps it's air pollution to itself, I say it's their business.

They don't. Some of their air pollution is dust caused by large scale deforestation. At a certain time each year South Korea is subject to Yellow Dust Storms from blown over from China. It's bad enough to cause fatalities in those with preexisting respiratory problems.

Citation needed

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/south-k or ea/130117/south-korea-toxic-smog-china-has-increased-pol

Citation given

Nice, lets give a global post cite.  I'm convinced.

Ok then.

New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/26/world/asia/26china.html?pagewanted= a ll&_r=0

UK's Daily Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3334700/Chinas-pollution-c l oses-South-Korea-schools.html

Japanese source (with a helpful map!): http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ20130201008 7

In fact, the only sources that directly dispute the charge are Chinese newspapers. Imagine that.


Huh. China Daily does dispute that.  But someone who has actually been to a place is an idiot.  Thanks
 
2013-03-03 05:02:00 PM

MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady:

*raises hand*

And I live in Los Angeles. Beijing is worse. LA has never canceled flights because of pollution, Beijing has.

When?

Last March, spent three weeks in China. Started about 2 weeks later than today.

You want to keep digging?

You want to keep talking shiat when you don't know anything about a place?


I literally just told you I've visited there, for more than a few days, and this same time of year. And I live in LA year round. What I saw in Eastern China a year ago is worse than anything you see in LA in the worst months like July or September.
 
2013-03-03 05:03:56 PM

kg2095: MNguy: kg2095: SpdrJay: As long as China keeps it's air pollution to itself, I say it's their business.

They don't. Some of their air pollution is dust caused by large scale deforestation. At a certain time each year South Korea is subject to Yellow Dust Storms from blown over from China. It's bad enough to cause fatalities in those with preexisting respiratory problems.

Citation needed

Personal observation from when I lived in Suwon, South Korea in 2009.

Also here: http://www.usfk.mil/usfk/weather-yellowsand


I hated my time in China, I hated a lot of things, but for farks sake can we be be a bit non-judgemental?
 
2013-03-03 05:04:08 PM

MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady:

*raises hand*

And I live in Los Angeles. Beijing is worse. LA has never canceled flights because of pollution, Beijing has.

When?

Last March, spent three weeks in China. Started about 2 weeks later than today.

You want to keep digging?

You want to keep talking shiat when you don't know anything about a place?


LOL LOL LOL....so in order to know anything about a place you need to have been there. And you have to have been there for a long enough time that you deem would be satisfactory? LOL

Why even bother arguing this. China has a huge pollution problem. Much worse than the US. You know that's true. Were the 2008 Olympics not enough where it was such a big deal that they tried to control the weather and keep people off the roads to control it? Beijing is bad, as bad as LA and probably worse. But you seem stuck on the semantics of what is worse when in reality it doesn't matter.
 
2013-03-03 05:05:24 PM

Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady:

*raises hand*

And I live in Los Angeles. Beijing is worse. LA has never canceled flights because of pollution, Beijing has.

When?

Last March, spent three weeks in China. Started about 2 weeks later than today.

You want to keep digging?

You want to keep talking shiat when you don't know anything about a place?

I literally just told you I've visited there, for more than a few days, and this same time of year. And I live in LA year round. What I saw in Eastern China a year ago is worse than anything you see in LA in the worst months like July or September.


You're lying or selling your own self to yourself.  Beijing isn't perfect, but it's not that bad
 
2013-03-03 05:05:41 PM
Depending on who you ask, everyone here knows either everything or nothing.
 
2013-03-03 05:05:50 PM

MNguy: .

I hated my time in China, I hated a lot of things, but for farks sake can we be be a bit non-judgemental?


I suggest you read your posts in this thread and then read your above statement. Might provide some insights for you.
 
2013-03-03 05:06:25 PM

johnny_vegas: I suggest you read your posts in this thread and then read your above statement. Might provide some insights for you.


Save your breath. Someone like him isn't capable of insight.
 
2013-03-03 05:06:41 PM

MNguy: Kygz: I was there in June 2002, pics aren't digital but visibility was 2-3 city blocks. It was fairly heavy smog and it was spring. It even rained once. More pollution than I've ever seen.

/not been to LA

I've never travelled anywhere, but the the pictures on the internet  inform me


What?

This picture is from last August which is pretty much the worst month in LA for air quality.

www.blogcdn.com

This picture is from this past week.

images.mnn.com

Distance in the first picture: 10 or so miles to the buildings downtown.
Distance in the second: 500 feet?

If you were arguing that LA was just as bad on its worst days in the 80's than I might go along with you. But you are smoking crack if you think the air in LA is even comparable today the worst days in China.
 
2013-03-03 05:07:10 PM

ActionJoe: MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady:

*raises hand*

And I live in Los Angeles. Beijing is worse. LA has never canceled flights because of pollution, Beijing has.

When?

Last March, spent three weeks in China. Started about 2 weeks later than today.

You want to keep digging?

You want to keep talking shiat when you don't know anything about a place?

LOL LOL LOL....so in order to know anything about a place you need to have been there. And you have to have been there for a long enough time that you deem would be satisfactory? LOL

Why even bother arguing this. China has a huge pollution problem. Much worse than the US. You know that's true. Were the 2008 Olympics not enough where it was such a big deal that they tried to control the weather and keep people off the roads to control it? Beijing is bad, as bad as LA and probably worse. But you seem stuck on the semantics of what is worse when in reality it doesn't matter.


You're right, but I do get pissed when folks just spout off about shiat they don't know about
 
2013-03-03 05:08:39 PM

johnny_vegas: MNguy: .

I hated my time in China, I hated a lot of things, but for farks sake can we be be a bit non-judgemental?

I suggest you read your posts in this thread and then read your above statement. Might provide some insights for you.


You asseholes have made me defend China.  I'd rather not
 
2013-03-03 05:09:13 PM

MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady:

*raises hand*

And I live in Los Angeles. Beijing is worse. LA has never canceled flights because of pollution, Beijing has.

When?

Last March, spent three weeks in China. Started about 2 weeks later than today.

You want to keep digging?

You want to keep talking shiat when you don't know anything about a place?

I literally just told you I've visited there, for more than a few days, and this same time of year. And I live in LA year round. What I saw in Eastern China a year ago is worse than anything you see in LA in the worst months like July or September.

You're lying or selling your own self to yourself.  Beijing isn't perfect, but it's not that bad


You got me. I'm making shiat up so I can be right on the internet. Yep.

I'm not attacking the city, I enjoyed myself very much in China. I'm attacking your foolish assertion that the air in Beijing is no worse than LA. That is factually incorrect.
 
2013-03-03 05:09:33 PM

Lunchlady: MNguy: Kygz: I was there in June 2002, pics aren't digital but visibility was 2-3 city blocks. It was fairly heavy smog and it was spring. It even rained once. More pollution than I've ever seen.

/not been to LA

I've never travelled anywhere, but the the pictures on the internet  inform me

What?

This picture is from last August which is pretty much the worst month in LA for air quality.

[www.blogcdn.com image 628x420]

This picture is from this past week.

[images.mnn.com image 850x566]

Distance in the first picture: 10 or so miles to the buildings downtown.
Distance in the second: 500 feet?

If you were arguing that LA was just as bad on its worst days in the 80's than I might go along with you. But you are smoking crack if you think the air in LA is even comparable today the worst days in China.


You took those pictures?
 
2013-03-03 05:11:20 PM

Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady:

*raises hand*

And I live in Los Angeles. Beijing is worse. LA has never canceled flights because of pollution, Beijing has.

When?

Last March, spent three weeks in China. Started about 2 weeks later than today.

You want to keep digging?

You want to keep talking shiat when you don't know anything about a place?

I literally just told you I've visited there, for more than a few days, and this same time of year. And I live in LA year round. What I saw in Eastern China a year ago is worse than anything you see in LA in the worst months like July or September.

You're lying or selling your own self to yourself.  Beijing isn't perfect, but it's not that bad

You got me. I'm making shiat up so I can be right on the internet. Yep.

I'm not attacking the city, I enjoyed myself very much in China. I'm attacking your foolish assertion that the air in Beijing is no worse than LA. That is factually incorrect.


I don't think you spent a lot of time there.  It's a shiathole, but not any worse than LA and if you're honest, you'll agree
 
2013-03-03 05:11:47 PM
This is a photo of Xi'an taken from my hotel window in early January. I would assume smog would be worse in summer but it's still quite obviously obscuring buildings in the background. Beijing being much bigger than Xi'an is probably worse.

i1281.photobucket.com

You could get the impression that China is ugly from this photo, but it's not all like this. I have other photos of Xi'an that are spectacular.
 
2013-03-03 05:12:38 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: ajgeek: But cheap goods! CAPITALISM! Where will all those poor repressed stockholders go if we implement "standards!?"

Funny!
You think china is a capitalist country!!

Classic.
When you take 9th grade world history you may learn something about china.


Funny! You think China is communist!

Having been to Beijing in the last year, let me assure you: you're an idiot. Communism involves a complete lack of private enterprise and private wealth. It also typically involves things like universal healthcare (healthcare in China is strictly for those who can afford it) and some sort of retiree care (hah!). What China DOES have is an attitude of "if you can get away with it without making the Chinese government look bad, do it." In many ways, China is far more Laissez Fair in regards to business than we are.
 
2013-03-03 05:12:49 PM

kg2095: This is a photo of Xi'an taken from my hotel window in early January. I would assume smog would be worse in summer but it's still quite obviously obscuring buildings in the background. Beijing being much bigger than Xi'an is probably worse.

[i1281.photobucket.com image 850x637]

You could get the impression that China is ugly from this photo, but it's not all like this. I have other photos of Xi'an that are spectacular.


Did you get to see the warriors?
 
2013-03-03 05:13:59 PM

MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady:

*raises hand*

And I live in Los Angeles. Beijing is worse. LA has never canceled flights because of pollution, Beijing has.

When?

Last March, spent three weeks in China. Started about 2 weeks later than today.

You want to keep digging?

You want to keep talking shiat when you don't know anything about a place?

I literally just told you I've visited there, for more than a few days, and this same time of year. And I live in LA year round. What I saw in Eastern China a year ago is worse than anything you see in LA in the worst months like July or September.

You're lying or selling your own self to yourself.  Beijing isn't perfect, but it's not that bad


Hate to break this to you, LA's air quality has steadily improved since 1960.  Thew catalytic converter began the trend and high mileage vehicles replacing the earlier ones have continued it.

Greener cars have improved L.A. air quality
Smog-producing compounds in Los Angeles are down 98 percent since the 1960s. They're down by half just since 2002, thanks to higher-mileage cars.http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/0825/Greener-car s-have- improved-L.A.-air-quality

China is not in the stag of industrialization where the population are fat and happy enough to demand environmental controls.  They are interested in money, and pretty much only money right now.  The entire 2nd world is in this stage, but likely will go through in MUCH faster than the West simply because all the cleaner stuff has already been invented.  There are all kinds of technologies that the 2nd and 3rd world can simply import and copy and not have to pollute as badly.
 
2013-03-03 05:14:38 PM

MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady: MNguy: Lunchlady:

*raises hand*

And I live in Los Angeles. Beijing is worse. LA has never canceled flights because of pollution, Beijing has.

When?

Last March, spent three weeks in China. Started about 2 weeks later than today.

You want to keep digging?

You want to keep talking shiat when you don't know anything about a place?

I literally just told you I've visited there, for more than a few days, and this same time of year. And I live in LA year round. What I saw in Eastern China a year ago is worse than anything you see in LA in the worst months like July or September.

You're lying or selling your own self to yourself.  Beijing isn't perfect, but it's not that bad

You got me. I'm making shiat up so I can be right on the internet. Yep.

I'm not attacking the city, I enjoyed myself very much in China. I'm attacking your foolish assertion that the air in Beijing is no worse than LA. That is factually incorrect.

I don't think you spent a lot of time there.  It's a shiathole, but not any worse than LA and if you're honest, you'll agree


Well like I said, I spent three weeks so I'm not sure if that qualifies to your standards, but it has nothing to do with me being honest, it's backed up by numbers. http://www.numbeo.com/pollution/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+St a tes&country2=China&city1=Los+Angeles%2C+CA&city2=Beijing
 
2013-03-03 05:14:50 PM

MNguy: johnny_vegas: MNguy: .

I hated my time in China, I hated a lot of things, but for farks sake can we be be a bit non-judgemental?

I suggest you read your posts in this thread and then read your above statement. Might provide some insights for you.

You asseholes have made me defend China.  I'd rather not


you entered the thread by asserting Beijing was no worse than LA or Houston...so oyur method of defense was attcking other cities.  Then you never provided any cites other than oyu used to live in those places at some unspecified time.

No one made you do anything, you are contrary and abrasive by your internet nature and got pwned repeatedly.
 
2013-03-03 05:15:13 PM

MNguy: kg2095: MNguy: kg2095: SpdrJay: As long as China keeps it's air pollution to itself, I say it's their business.

They don't. Some of their air pollution is dust caused by large scale deforestation. At a certain time each year South Korea is subject to Yellow Dust Storms from blown over from China. It's bad enough to cause fatalities in those with preexisting respiratory problems.

Citation needed

Personal observation from when I lived in Suwon, South Korea in 2009.

Also here: http://www.usfk.mil/usfk/weather-yellowsand

I hated my time in China, I hated a lot of things, but for farks sake can we be be a bit non-judgemental?


I'm not judging you. I'm just stating my own experiences.
 
2013-03-03 05:16:00 PM

MNguy: Beijing isn't any worse than LA or Houston


When visibility in Houston or Los Angeles is reduced to 20ft due to green-grey smog on a regular basis (or ever, for that matter) then you can say that.
 
2013-03-03 05:16:12 PM

Tourney3p0: Depending on who you ask, everyone here knows either everything or nothing.


I know both everything and nothing at the same time.
 
2013-03-03 05:17:32 PM

Lunchlady: M

Well like I said, I spent three weeks so I'm not sure if that qualifies to your standards, but it has nothing to do with me being honest, it's backed up by numbers. http://www.numbeo.com/pollution/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+St a tes&country2=China&city1=Los+Angeles%2C+CA&city2=Beijing


No, that doesn't cut it.  Google pics do not exchange for personal photos.
 
2013-03-03 05:18:27 PM
I lived in Beijing from '08 to '11.  The pollution was awful. It lasted throughout the year.  No season except maybe fall was particurly clean.  You couldn't see past a city block on the worst days.  When you blew your nose, there was black shiat in your snot.. and people coughed up phlegm all the time.  By the end, the dryness and the pollution not only had an effect on my breezing but also on my skin as well.  Pretty much every other expat complained about the air quality, especially if you have kids.   Anecdotal?  Yeah sure, but it doesn't take a scientist or someone who follows the day-to-day data to see that Beijing air is filthy.  It was a rare or uncommon day to see blue skies... even rarer to see the mountain ranges that surround Beijing.

I now live in LA.  Yeah, maybe its not the best air quality in the country, but there are major differences between LA and Beijing.  LA faces the ocean so that acts as a natural air cleaner.  There are plenty of days where you can see the blue skies (hell, its a majority of the year).  And there aren't the coal firing plants like in China which cause a big chunk of the pollution... oh and there is the EPA in the US.  I have no problems about jogging outside, nor does it look like its a concern for most people in this fitness crazy town.

The idea of comparing the two on air quality is totally laughable.
 
2013-03-03 05:18:46 PM

johnny_vegas: MNguy: johnny_vegas: MNguy: .

I hated my time in China, I hated a lot of things, but for farks sake can we be be a bit non-judgemental?

I suggest you read your posts in this thread and then read your above statement. Might provide some insights for you.

You asseholes have made me defend China.  I'd rather not

you entered the thread by asserting Beijing was no worse than LA or Houston...so oyur method of defense was attcking other cities.  Then you never provided any cites other than oyu used to live in those places at some unspecified time.

No one made you do anything, you are contrary and abrasive by your internet nature and got pwned repeatedly.


You've lived in all those places, so I'll defer to you
 
2013-03-03 05:18:57 PM

MNguy: kg2095: This is a photo of Xi'an taken from my hotel window in early January. I would assume smog would be worse in summer but it's still quite obviously obscuring buildings in the background. Beijing being much bigger than Xi'an is probably worse.

[i1281.photobucket.com image 850x637]

You could get the impression that China is ugly from this photo, but it's not all like this. I have other photos of Xi'an that are spectacular.

Did you get to see the warriors?


Yep. I have pictures - I can send you a link if you want to see them...
 
2013-03-03 05:21:04 PM
My view in Shanghai
i.imgur.com


Looked like this at ground level. That is to say visibility started to get hazy at 30 ft. I was trying to get the fogginess in the picture from the front of the bus, but it started to drive out so I had to get out of the way.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-03 05:21:11 PM

LincolnLogolas: MNguy: Beijing isn't any worse than LA or Houston

When visibility in Houston or Los Angeles is reduced to 20ft due to green-grey smog on a regular basis (or ever, for that matter) then you can say that.


China is not the big bad devil man.
 
2013-03-03 05:21:17 PM
Dirty, Dirty people.

I spend a month and half in china last year, and not even in Beijing, which is considered one of the worst spots.

 It took me to the third week to see the sun, and it had nothing to do with rain and clouds.
 
2013-03-03 05:23:42 PM

kg2095: MNguy: kg2095: This is a photo of Xi'an taken from my hotel window in early January. I would assume smog would be worse in summer but it's still quite obviously obscuring buildings in the background. Beijing being much bigger than Xi'an is probably worse.

[i1281.photobucket.com image 850x637]

You could get the impression that China is ugly from this photo, but it's not all like this. I have other photos of Xi'an that are spectacular.

Did you get to see the warriors?

Yep. I have pictures - I can send you a link if you want to see them...


I got there myself,I can't imagine living there
 
2013-03-03 05:24:34 PM

MNguy: johnny_vegas: MNguy: johnny_vegas: MNguy: .

I hated my time in China, I hated a lot of things, but for farks sake can we be be a bit non-judgemental?

I suggest you read your posts in this thread and then read your above statement. Might provide some insights for you.

You asseholes have made me defend China.  I'd rather not

you entered the thread by asserting Beijing was no worse than LA or Houston...so oyur method of defense was attcking other cities.  Then you never provided any cites other than oyu used to live in those places at some unspecified time.

No one made you do anything, you are contrary and abrasive by your internet nature and got pwned repeatedly.

You've lived in all those places, so I'll defer to you


You would be wise to defer to me, but I doubt you have that judgement.


So lets be clear, you are saying Los Angeles currently has worse (or at least as bad) air quality as Beijing right?
 
2013-03-03 05:26:00 PM
Man, you send one dunning krueger victim to the bin, and half the thread vanishes.
 
2013-03-03 05:26:12 PM

johnny_vegas: MNguy: johnny_vegas: MNguy: johnny_vegas: MNguy: .

I hated my time in China, I hated a lot of things, but for farks sake can we be be a bit non-judgemental?

I suggest you read your posts in this thread and then read your above statement. Might provide some insights for you.

You asseholes have made me defend China.  I'd rather not

you entered the thread by asserting Beijing was no worse than LA or Houston...so oyur method of defense was attcking other cities.  Then you never provided any cites other than oyu used to live in those places at some unspecified time.

No one made you do anything, you are contrary and abrasive by your internet nature and got pwned repeatedly.

You've lived in all those places, so I'll defer to you

You would be wise to defer to me, but I doubt you have that judgement.


So lets be clear, you are saying Los Angeles currently has worse (or at least as bad) air quality as Beijing right?


LA used to have the same shiat air quality.  Reading is hard.
 
2013-03-03 05:28:01 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Combine Beijing with Somalia, and you have a Libertarian's wet dream. Who needs government? Well, besides all of those people who are dying from cancer and getting murdered by warlords.  Google "Cancer Villages" and "China" and come back and tell use we don't need the EPA. We learned during our own industrial revolution that companies do not regulate themselves.


Yes, but sadly, no matter how painfully we learn a lesson, it seems like two or three generations must of us have forgotten it.  Doomed to repeat it, yadda yadda.
 
2013-03-03 05:29:35 PM

MNguy: ph0rk: MNguy: I lived in Tianjin for half a year, many people wore face masks, but it's not any worse than the US in the shiattiar cities

Cough up numbers.

Does living there not convince?



Anecdotes are not the same as data.
 
2013-03-03 05:30:58 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Funny!
You think china is a capitalist country!!


Funny!
You think China is a communist country!

They're even more into unfettered capitalism than we are.
It's like the good ole' 19th century over there, with accompanying child labor and terrible wages/hours for manual laborers.  Oh, and unfettered pollution production.
 
2013-03-03 05:31:20 PM
I've lived in the greater Houston metro region for over 25 years, and I've seen some smog.  I've seen plenty of ozone alerts.  But I've NEVER, let me repeat NEVER, seen smog like I'm seeing in these pictures of China, or what I saw on TV watching the 2008 Olympics.
 
2013-03-03 05:31:57 PM
MNguy:
China is not the big bad devil man.

No, it's just a crappy, heavily-polluted country. With corruption and resource shortage issues.
 
2013-03-03 05:32:12 PM

MNguy: LA used to have the same shiat air quality.  Reading is hard.


MNguy: Beijing isn't any worse than LA or Houston


Indeed.  Comprehension is also hard apparently.
 
2013-03-03 05:32:30 PM

SpdrJay: As long as China keeps it's air pollution to itself, I say it's their business.


They don't.  They generously donate it to the rest of Asia.  Korea is downwind and gets the brunt of it.
 
2013-03-03 05:32:53 PM
LOL at someone trying to compare LA pollution to Beijing pollution today. Reminds me of FARK during the 08 olympics and seeing all the pro-China sycophants flooding the threads trying to deny anything Anti-China.
 
2013-03-03 05:32:58 PM

kmmontandon: MNguy: ph0rk: MNguy: I lived in Tianjin for half a year, many people wore face masks, but it's not any worse than the US in the shiattiar cities

Cough up numbers.

Does living there not convince?


Anecdotes are not the same as data.


Better than conjecture.
 
2013-03-03 05:34:10 PM

johnny_vegas: MNguy: LA used to have the same shiat air quality.  Reading is hard.

MNguy: Beijing isn't any worse than LA or Houston

Indeed.  Comprehension is also hard apparently.


Tell me about your time in China.  I'm listening
 
2013-03-03 05:34:21 PM

kg2095: This is a photo of Xi'an taken from my hotel window in early January. I would assume smog would be worse in summer but it's still quite obviously obscuring buildings in the background. Beijing being much bigger than Xi'an is probably worse.

[i1281.photobucket.com image 850x637]

You could get the impression that China is ugly from this photo, but it's not all like this. I have other photos of Xi'an that are spectacular.


When I was there, Xi'an was probably one of the ugliest cities on the planet.  I spent my 20th birthday there getting drunk and watching a midget stripper.  Other than the terracotta warriors, the other two things they do there is make locomotives and open-pit mine for coal.  1400 trucks a week leave the pits loaded with coal.  The dust from that drifts all over town.

That said, the history there is amazing.  And maybe the other stuff has changed in the last 12 years.
 
2013-03-03 05:35:21 PM

cirby: MNguy:
China is not the big bad devil man.

No, it's just a crappy, heavily-polluted country. With corruption and resource shortage issues.


Again, tell me about your time in China, because I don't think you know anything
 
2013-03-03 05:35:36 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: My view in Shanghai
[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


Looked like this at ground level. That is to say visibility started to get hazy at 30 ft. I was trying to get the fogginess in the picture from the front of the bus, but it started to drive out so I had to get out of the way.
[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


Whoa whoa whoa. Are these even your photos? Is this even China? How long have you been there? Have you been to LA? You aren't qualified to speak on this topic if you don't meet MN's standards. Just putting those questions out there before he asks.
 
2013-03-03 05:35:48 PM
And if you think the air is bad, there's the water, which is worse.
 
2013-03-03 05:37:55 PM

ActionJoe: Mayhem of the Black Underclass: My view in Shanghai
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Looked like this at ground level. That is to say visibility started to get hazy at 30 ft. I was trying to get the fogginess in the picture from the front of the bus, but it started to drive out so I had to get out of the way.
[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Whoa whoa whoa. Are these even your photos? Is this even China? How long have you been there? Have you been to LA? You aren't qualified to speak on this topic if you don't meet MN's standards. Just putting those questions out there before he asks.


I just read the daily news and form my opinions
 
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