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2013-03-03 12:46:52 PM
5 votes:
That isn't where I would have gone with a "Walking Dead" racism skit. I would have goofed on the apparent 'there can be only one' rule about black cast members. Introduce one black guy only to kill him as soon as a second one appears and then kill that guy when a third appears and so on.

Except SNL itself never seems to have more than 2 black cast members at any one time either.


At least it didn't go on for seven more minutes grinding out that same unfunny joke.
2013-03-03 04:25:51 PM
3 votes:
The Walking Dead live threads are far funnier than that skit.
2013-03-03 06:20:16 PM
2 votes:
Meh. In Night of the Living Dead original, even though the last person living in the house was a black man, he still got killed.

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2013-03-03 05:53:38 PM
2 votes:
This seems apropo:
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2013-03-03 05:23:15 PM
2 votes:

hubiestubert: Write characters. Write people. Their ethnicity should only really matter when it comes down to specifics.


America has race issues. Specifically with black people, African Americans, whatever. The non-mexican, non-arab, non-indian, non-native-american (and if I forgot someone to offend here, sorry) brown people.

Writting a black character 'well' will not win you awards.  Doing one poorly will have Jesse and Al on your ass like white on rice screaming racism and boycott and more negative publicity than you can shake a stick at.  So they have every incentive not to play in that particular realm.

Especially since, in Georgia, especially deep Georgia, you're going to get the hillbilly version of black people. Which would be way to close to caricature for anyone to be comfortable with that, unless the guy happened to be a city-dweller caught out by deus ex machina..
2013-03-03 04:30:53 PM
2 votes:

Mentalpatient87: hubiestubert: -but it's only getting more and more apparent that the writers have been trying to avoid a lot of issues by just ignoring them

Why does my zombie TV drama have to address issues?


Because zombies have always been an obvious allegory for a number of things ever since Romero.
2013-03-03 04:27:10 PM
2 votes:

hubiestubert: -but it's only getting more and more apparent that the writers have been trying to avoid a lot of issues by just ignoring them


Why does my zombie TV drama have to address issues?
2013-03-03 04:26:36 PM
2 votes:

LadyHawke: I'm really glad they touched upon how that kid can just shoot people and not seem to suffer any ill mental effects.  That's always annoyed me!  That and his whining, and his parents giving in to his whining, which always inevitably led to trouble.

/really want that kid to get bit...


I think it's pretty clear that Carl has suffered mentally.  It's one of his defining characteristics.
2013-03-04 11:39:07 AM
1 votes:

Mentalpatient87: My point earlier being, they cover all those issues already. Is it absolutely imperative that they have to do race relations, too for some reason? It's a zombie show, it has it's own issues. They don't need to periodically address everything like some kind of after school special.


Why not?  Do you think race issues would suddenly disappear in a post-civilization world?  Personally, I think having an unrepentant racist like Merle stuck in a group with several minorities provides some great moments of dramatic tension.
2013-03-04 07:43:38 AM
1 votes:

coco ebert: The Homeland parody was funnier.


True. Most of that was Anne Hathaway. Her Katie Holmes is fantastic too. I also think the whole sketch should have been Hart walks up and joins the group, Kenan  walks up *blam* Hart dies, Jay walks up *blam* Kenan dies, Fred Armisten walks up Jay not sure if he should be scared or not, and scene.
2013-03-04 12:33:41 AM
1 votes:

EsteeFlwrPot: Mentat: EsteeFlwrPot: It's a freaking show about a zombie apocalypse. Why do they need to cover "issues" or represent minorities?

Where did this meme come from?  Zombie stories have been metaphorical and about "issues" since the very beginning.

Like what, brain eaters awareness?


Romero's movies represented the zombies as a metaphor of social conformity.  Dawn of the Dead was a rant against materialism.  And even though it wasn't great, Land of the Dead was a satire of unchecked capitalism.  Shawn of the Dead poked fun at the living whose lives were so meaningless they were indistinguishable from the dead.  And there's there's this comics series called The Walking Dead.  You might have heard of it.
2013-03-04 12:22:41 AM
1 votes:

EsteeFlwrPot: Like what, brain eaters awareness?


Epidemics, Social order, Mass consumerism, Racism, Institutional arrogance, Petty authority, all kinds of issues use zombies as metaphors. Otherwise, the concept is pretty stupid when you think about it. Zombie epidemics would last all but a few days in the real world. Infections that would be easier to contain than rabies? Not very interesting.
2013-03-03 11:54:47 PM
1 votes:

EsteeFlwrPot: It's a freaking show about a zombie apocalypse. Why do they need to cover "issues" or represent minorities?


Where did this meme come from?  Zombie stories have been metaphorical and about "issues" since the very beginning.
2013-03-03 07:32:05 PM
1 votes:
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2013-03-03 07:21:39 PM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: NOTHING about Glenn screasm "I'm Chinese, DAMMIT!" He's a guy, and he has a story, and very little of it hinges on him being Chinese.


He's Korean.
2013-03-03 07:11:04 PM
1 votes:

Birnone: For instance, imagine Shane had been a black guy


So then people would be biatching that the black guy had to go crazy and turn on his best friend to get the white woman.
2013-03-03 06:56:27 PM
1 votes:
I agree with the view that it's not overt racism, but some kind of sin of omission.   You can blame the comic, since that's where the story and characters come from, but then how do you explain the addition of Merle and Daryl?   Two of the more compelling characters on the show turn out to be not from the comic.

It just seems to be to be an obvious move, if you're building a tv show from established source material, that you would examine what you have to work with then plan your additions or changes to compensate for what is clearly missing.

In the case of The Walking Dead, it's the post apocalypse!  You have the golden opportunity to work with a diverse cast, that alone would add drama.   For instance, imagine Shane had been a black guy.  Suddenly the lame 'been there done that' love triangle takes on all kinds of interesting new subtext while the same time getting a black actor a more substantial role from the start.

But to do anything like that the showrunners would have to make a specific effort, it isn't going to happen by magic.  I don't think making any such effort is a priority for them.
2013-03-03 06:08:13 PM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: He's a guy, and he has a story, and very little of it hinges on him being Chinese.


Korean.

Anyway, the skit would have been funnier if they had two black characters who knew about the "One Black Man" rule and spent the skit trying not to be the guy that gets killed.
2013-03-03 05:08:39 PM
1 votes:
At least there's a new episode of The Walking Dead tonight to help us forget.
2013-03-03 04:51:31 PM
1 votes:
They don't call the undead on The Walking Dead "zombies".

I don't think I've heard them use the word yet. "walkers", "stenches", "biters", "geeks", sure... But not "zombies". The world of TWD is genre-blind. I like to imagine that in their world, "zombie" hangs on to its original meaning: A person who has been drugged and mentally-enslaved by a Vodou bokor.

Romero didn't originally use the word "zombie" either.

Anyway, that SNL skit was not only unfunny, it was ill-informed. If you're going to parody something, at least get the target's terminology and universal rules straight.
2013-03-03 04:40:28 PM
1 votes:

Mentalpatient87: hubiestubert: -but it's only getting more and more apparent that the writers have been trying to avoid a lot of issues by just ignoring them

Why does my zombie TV drama have to address issues?


This this this.

It's a zombie horror thriller, don't give a fark what color folks are. What race are the folks in the source material? They got a black woman, asian dude, black guys here and there (zomg racist!), strong female characters. Let's all complain about how the most racist character is a white guy, that's a racist stereotype in itself, right? Sheesh, people with hammers see nails; it gets so tiresome.

/Carl sucks tho, take off that damn hat. Would love to see him get mauled.
2013-03-03 04:36:52 PM
1 votes:

Mentalpatient87: hubiestubert: -but it's only getting more and more apparent that the writers have been trying to avoid a lot of issues by just ignoring them

Why does my zombie TV drama have to address issues?


The same reason Singer's X-men and Superman films were insufferably whiny and emo.

/also black leather
2013-03-03 04:21:24 PM
1 votes:
The Walking Dead does have some problems with black characters. Yes, they let an Asian male get the girl, which is a victory of sorts in this country, but even still, it just can't seem to have characters of any depth who happen to be darker than cafe au lait. There Can Be Only One IS a good term for how their writers are handling African American characters. And shuffling them off to be tangential characters at best. Are the writers racist? Probably not in the "we're going to burn folks' churches down and run them out of the country!" sense, but for a show set in the South, it is sort of odd that dark faces show up so rarely. I rack it up to simple incompetence and trying very hard to not to fall into racial stereotypes and thus removing themselves from the subject by simply not having African American character be all that integral to the plot is sort of a dodge around the whole issue. It's not what drove me from the show--the weak and grindingly slow plotting did that one--but it's only getting more and more apparent that the writers have been trying to avoid a lot of issues by just ignoring them, and it looks awful odd, given the size of their following.
 
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