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2013-03-03 07:06:51 PM

hubiestubert: The Walking Dead does have some problems with black characters. Yes, they let an Asian male get the girl, which is a victory of sorts in this country, but even still, it just can't seem to have characters of any depth who happen to be darker than cafe au lait. There Can Be Only One IS a good term for how their writers are handling African American characters. And shuffling them off to be tangential characters at best. Are the writers racist? Probably not in the "we're going to burn folks' churches down and run them out of the country!" sense, but for a show set in the South, it is sort of odd that dark faces show up so rarely. I rack it up to simple incompetence and trying very hard to not to fall into racial stereotypes and thus removing themselves from the subject by simply not having African American character be all that integral to the plot is sort of a dodge around the whole issue. It's not what drove me from the show--the weak and grindingly slow plotting did that one--but it's only getting more and more apparent that the writers have been trying to avoid a lot of issues by just ignoring them, and it looks awful odd, given the size of their following.


Well, first off, yes, the writers are probably a little racist.  I think everyone is to a degree.  Secondly, what about Michonne?  I'd say she's a fairly deep character.  Thirdly, wouldn't it be more racist to try and force black character depth and substance?  I mean, let's be honest, I doubt there are many black writers, if any, on the Walking Dead writing staff which would leave a bunch of white people trying to write an accurate and substantial portrayal of a black character.
 
2013-03-03 07:11:04 PM

Birnone: For instance, imagine Shane had been a black guy


So then people would be biatching that the black guy had to go crazy and turn on his best friend to get the white woman.
 
HBK
2013-03-03 07:21:39 PM

hubiestubert: NOTHING about Glenn screasm "I'm Chinese, DAMMIT!" He's a guy, and he has a story, and very little of it hinges on him being Chinese.


He's Korean.
 
2013-03-03 07:27:45 PM
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2013-03-03 07:32:05 PM
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xcv
2013-03-03 07:38:22 PM
 
2013-03-03 08:10:13 PM

The Man Who Laughs: I'd kinda like to watch this, but apparently we're not allowed to have SNL in Canada.  I spend a good minute or two figuring out which combination of allowed scripts would let me watch the video only to get shut down by international copyright law.

If only pirating were half as difficult as going legit.


You're not really missing anything.
 
2013-03-03 08:13:41 PM

HBK: hubiestubert: NOTHING about Glenn screasm "I'm Chinese, DAMMIT!" He's a guy, and he has a story, and very little of it hinges on him being Chinese.

He's Korean.


Of course he's Korean! A Chinese guy wouldn't get a hot white woman like that!

/aisle seat, please.
 
2013-03-03 08:20:03 PM

xcv: Key and Peele covered the zombie genre better


That's fked up man.  I got an 'I Am Legend' flashback. (The two zombies inside the car was funny, tho.)
 
2013-03-03 08:24:02 PM
Wait a minute... is that a dead zombie hanging/lynched at the backyard party??!
 
2013-03-03 08:48:31 PM
As a hispanic Jew I want to complain about the lack of Jews on The Walking Dead. Why hasn't there been a single Jewish character on the show, or even a Jewish walker? It's the sin of omission! Where are the hispanic Jews not being represented?!!!!!!

I'm kidding. It's a freaking show about a zombie apocalypse. Why do they need to cover "issues" or represent minorities? Relax people. Geez why do people always find something to complain about?

/by the way I don't get all the Carl hate. That boy has more balls than his own father.
//Daryl is freaking hot
 
2013-03-03 08:51:28 PM
Sucks that SNL couldn't do more with a host that is actually known to be funny.
 
2013-03-03 09:00:15 PM

xcv: Key and Peele covered the zombie genre better


Finally whitey gets what he deserves?

I wonder what happens after all the zombies have eaten or turned the white people, do they go after asians next?
 
2013-03-03 09:54:56 PM

blackySM2: hubiestubert: The Walking Dead does have some problems with black characters. Yes, they let an Asian male get the girl, which is a victory of sorts in this country, but even still, it just can't seem to have characters of any depth who happen to be darker than cafe au lait. There Can Be Only One IS a good term for how their writers are handling African American characters. And shuffling them off to be tangential characters at best. Are the writers racist? Probably not in the "we're going to burn folks' churches down and run them out of the country!" sense, but for a show set in the South, it is sort of odd that dark faces show up so rarely. I rack it up to simple incompetence and trying very hard to not to fall into racial stereotypes and thus removing themselves from the subject by simply not having African American character be all that integral to the plot is sort of a dodge around the whole issue. It's not what drove me from the show--the weak and grindingly slow plotting did that one--but it's only getting more and more apparent that the writers have been trying to avoid a lot of issues by just ignoring them, and it looks awful odd, given the size of their following.

Well, first off, yes, the writers are probably a little racist.  I think everyone is to a degree.  Secondly, what about Michonne?  I'd say she's a fairly deep character.  Thirdly, wouldn't it be more racist to try and force black character depth and substance?  I mean, let's be honest, I doubt there are many black writers, if any, on the Walking Dead writing staff which would leave a bunch of white people trying to write an accurate and substantial portrayal of a black character.


I don't find Michonne (on the show) compelling at all. She annoys the crap outta me. It wasn't until last week that she even had LINES I can remember - until that point, she'd done the "Silent Angry Wild Black Woman" schtick to death. We don't know anything about her! Apparently she has a great backstory in the comics, but we haven't seen any of that in the show. All we get is that she's angry, violent, and doesn't say much. She's actually pretty close to a lot of negative stereotypes about black women - being portrayed as wild, violent, etc.
 
2013-03-03 10:17:08 PM

bextraordinary: blackySM2: hubiestubert: The Walking Dead does have some problems with black characters. Yes, they let an Asian male get the girl, which is a victory of sorts in this country, but even still, it just can't seem to have characters of any depth who happen to be darker than cafe au lait. There Can Be Only One IS a good term for how their writers are handling African American characters. And shuffling them off to be tangential characters at best. Are the writers racist? Probably not in the "we're going to burn folks' churches down and run them out of the country!" sense, but for a show set in the South, it is sort of odd that dark faces show up so rarely. I rack it up to simple incompetence and trying very hard to not to fall into racial stereotypes and thus removing themselves from the subject by simply not having African American character be all that integral to the plot is sort of a dodge around the whole issue. It's not what drove me from the show--the weak and grindingly slow plotting did that one--but it's only getting more and more apparent that the writers have been trying to avoid a lot of issues by just ignoring them, and it looks awful odd, given the size of their following.

Well, first off, yes, the writers are probably a little racist.  I think everyone is to a degree.  Secondly, what about Michonne?  I'd say she's a fairly deep character.  Thirdly, wouldn't it be more racist to try and force black character depth and substance?  I mean, let's be honest, I doubt there are many black writers, if any, on the Walking Dead writing staff which would leave a bunch of white people trying to write an accurate and substantial portrayal of a black character.

I don't find Michonne (on the show) compelling at all. She annoys the crap outta me. It wasn't until last week that she even had LINES I can remember - until that point, she'd done the "Silent Angry Wild Black Woman" schtick to death. We don't know anything about her! Apparently she has a great backstory in th ...


What about Daryl? He's the stereotypical racist hick that only said angry racist things and look at where they've brought his character.. he's practically done a 180. So far on the show they started her off as angry and wild but you can already tell Michonne has a soft vulnerable spot to her and i'm sure they'll develop her character even more. This isn't exactly a show about race so stop calling out racism where it isnt.
 
2013-03-03 10:56:45 PM
SNL=UNFUNNY

Lorne Michaels as an Executive Producer= WIN
 
2013-03-03 10:57:52 PM

LDM90: IS IT A G-SHIRT??!!

"Naw, mannnn..."


That bit made me laugh hard. It was the only one, though.

/Is it an "I" shirt?!?!?
//snort
 
2013-03-03 11:01:03 PM

milsorgen: arkansas: I'm of the opinion that this anti-racism skit was racist.

I'm of the opinion that the host last night was one of the weaker performers of the season. That skit in particular was closer to cringe than laugh.


...and that's saying a lot. I'm not one of those "SNL WAS SOOOO MUCH FUNNNIER IN (insert era here)", but this whole season has been pretty bad.
 
2013-03-03 11:54:47 PM

EsteeFlwrPot: It's a freaking show about a zombie apocalypse. Why do they need to cover "issues" or represent minorities?


Where did this meme come from?  Zombie stories have been metaphorical and about "issues" since the very beginning.
 
2013-03-04 12:03:47 AM

Mentat: EsteeFlwrPot: It's a freaking show about a zombie apocalypse. Why do they need to cover "issues" or represent minorities?

Where did this meme come from?  Zombie stories have been metaphorical and about "issues" since the very beginning.


Like what, brain eaters awareness?
 
2013-03-04 12:22:41 AM

EsteeFlwrPot: Like what, brain eaters awareness?


Epidemics, Social order, Mass consumerism, Racism, Institutional arrogance, Petty authority, all kinds of issues use zombies as metaphors. Otherwise, the concept is pretty stupid when you think about it. Zombie epidemics would last all but a few days in the real world. Infections that would be easier to contain than rabies? Not very interesting.
 
2013-03-04 12:33:41 AM

EsteeFlwrPot: Mentat: EsteeFlwrPot: It's a freaking show about a zombie apocalypse. Why do they need to cover "issues" or represent minorities?

Where did this meme come from?  Zombie stories have been metaphorical and about "issues" since the very beginning.

Like what, brain eaters awareness?


Romero's movies represented the zombies as a metaphor of social conformity.  Dawn of the Dead was a rant against materialism.  And even though it wasn't great, Land of the Dead was a satire of unchecked capitalism.  Shawn of the Dead poked fun at the living whose lives were so meaningless they were indistinguishable from the dead.  And there's there's this comics series called The Walking Dead.  You might have heard of it.
 
2013-03-04 01:49:59 AM

Mentat: EsteeFlwrPot: Mentat: EsteeFlwrPot: It's a freaking show about a zombie apocalypse. Why do they need to cover "issues" or represent minorities?

Where did this meme come from?  Zombie stories have been metaphorical and about "issues" since the very beginning.

Like what, brain eaters awareness?

Romero's movies represented the zombies as a metaphor of social conformity.  Dawn of the Dead was a rant against materialism.  And even though it wasn't great, Land of the Dead was a satire of unchecked capitalism.  Shawn of the Dead poked fun at the living whose lives were so meaningless they were indistinguishable from the dead.  And there's there's this comics series called The Walking Dead.  You might have heard of it.


My point earlier being, they cover all those issues already. Is it absolutely imperative that they have to do race relations, too for some reason? It's a zombie show, it has it's own issues. They don't need to periodically address everything like some kind of after school special.
 
2013-03-04 03:29:39 AM

bextraordinary: I don't find Michonne (on the show) compelling at all. She annoys the crap outta me. It wasn't until last week that she even had LINES I can remember - until that point, she'd done the "Silent Angry Wild Black Woman" schtick to death. We don't know anything about her! Apparently she has a great backstory in the comics, but we haven't seen any of that in the show. All we get is that she's angry, violent, and doesn't say much. She's actually pretty close to a lot of negative stereotypes about black women - being portrayed as wild, violent, etc.


She was a LOT better this week. Let's hope they keep up her development.

"Mat said 'Welcome'"
 
2013-03-04 06:01:53 AM

Mentalpatient87: Mentat: EsteeFlwrPot: Mentat: EsteeFlwrPot: It's a freaking show about a zombie apocalypse. Why do they need to cover "issues" or represent minorities?

Where did this meme come from?  Zombie stories have been metaphorical and about "issues" since the very beginning.

Like what, brain eaters awareness?

Romero's movies represented the zombies as a metaphor of social conformity.  Dawn of the Dead was a rant against materialism.  And even though it wasn't great, Land of the Dead was a satire of unchecked capitalism.  Shawn of the Dead poked fun at the living whose lives were so meaningless they were indistinguishable from the dead.  And there's there's this comics series called The Walking Dead.  You might have heard of it.

My point earlier being, they cover all those issues already. Is it absolutely imperative that they have to do race relations, too for some reason? It's a zombie show, it has it's own issues. They don't need to periodically address everything like some kind of after school special.


Can't comment on the video since I am not allowed to see it (F U NBC)!

I can tell you never read the comic book since the zombies are more of a backdrop and every once in a blue moon they have to pop one open. But the comic book had the same thing happening, however Michonne and Tyrese were in the same panel at one point. When she first shows up there was an aura of mysteriousness to her and she didn't say much. Later on she opens up more just like the show
 
2013-03-04 06:33:55 AM

loonatic112358: xcv: Key and Peele covered the zombie genre better

Finally whitey gets what he deserves?

I wonder what happens after all the zombies have eaten or turned the white people, do they go after asians next?


Maybe... but then they'll just be hungry again an hour later.
 
2013-03-04 07:43:38 AM

coco ebert: The Homeland parody was funnier.


True. Most of that was Anne Hathaway. Her Katie Holmes is fantastic too. I also think the whole sketch should have been Hart walks up and joins the group, Kenan  walks up *blam* Hart dies, Jay walks up *blam* Kenan dies, Fred Armisten walks up Jay not sure if he should be scared or not, and scene.
 
2013-03-04 11:28:41 AM

Sgt Oddball: LDM90: IS IT A G-SHIRT??!!

"Naw, mannnn..."

That bit made me laugh hard. It was the only one, though.

/Is it an "I" shirt?!?!?
//snort


THIS.

I lol'd.
 
2013-03-04 11:29:04 AM
As much as I love zombie flicks, I just can't get into Zombies: The Soap Opera, aka The Walking Dead.  I never made it past season one.
 
2013-03-04 11:39:07 AM

Mentalpatient87: My point earlier being, they cover all those issues already. Is it absolutely imperative that they have to do race relations, too for some reason? It's a zombie show, it has it's own issues. They don't need to periodically address everything like some kind of after school special.


Why not?  Do you think race issues would suddenly disappear in a post-civilization world?  Personally, I think having an unrepentant racist like Merle stuck in a group with several minorities provides some great moments of dramatic tension.
 
2013-03-04 01:21:05 PM

robohobo: Mentalpatient87: hubiestubert: -but it's only getting more and more apparent that the writers have been trying to avoid a lot of issues by just ignoring them

Why does my zombie TV drama have to address issues?

The same reason Singer's X-men and Superman films were insufferably whiny and emo.

/also black leather


*Black* leather?

Racist.
 
2013-03-04 08:54:14 PM

Mentat: Why not? Do you think race issues would suddenly disappear in a post-civilization world? Personally, I think having an unrepentant racist like Merle stuck in a group with several minorities provides some great moments of dramatic tension.


I get what you're saying, and I kinda agree. Do it because it fits the story (Merle is a great example) but don't do it just to give some group or cause some screen time. I don't know how to say it, I'd just rather the show not get preachy.
 
2013-03-05 02:26:17 AM

Mentalpatient87: Mentat: EsteeFlwrPot: Mentat: EsteeFlwrPot: It's a freaking show about a zombie apocalypse. Why do they need to cover "issues" or represent minorities?

Where did this meme come from?  Zombie stories have been metaphorical and about "issues" since the very beginning.

Like what, brain eaters awareness?

Romero's movies represented the zombies as a metaphor of social conformity.  Dawn of the Dead was a rant against materialism.  And even though it wasn't great, Land of the Dead was a satire of unchecked capitalism.  Shawn of the Dead poked fun at the living whose lives were so meaningless they were indistinguishable from the dead.  And there's there's this comics series called The Walking Dead.  You might have heard of it.

My point earlier being, they cover all those issues already. Is it absolutely imperative that they have to do race relations, too for some reason? It's a zombie show, it has it's own issues. They don't need to periodically address everything like some kind of after school special.


Translation: I only want to be confronted with issues I'm comfortable with. If it makes me uncomfortable, it's not something I want to be scared by.

That gets me to thinking: what happens in to the horror genre when the viewer no longer feels frightened that 'this could happen to me'? or, worse, starts to get cocky and wouldn't mind living in the horror environment because they feel they'd survive no sweat?
 
2013-03-05 02:40:33 AM

Mentalpatient87: Mentat: Why not? Do you think race issues would suddenly disappear in a post-civilization world? Personally, I think having an unrepentant racist like Merle stuck in a group with several minorities provides some great moments of dramatic tension.

I get what you're saying, and I kinda agree. Do it because it fits the story (Merle is a great example) but don't do it just to give some group or cause some screen time. I don't know how to say it, I'd just rather the show not get preachy.


Except it hasn't been dealt with, with Merle.  This season intentionally sucked the life out of the One Big Confrontation Merle would have had with the group, by killing off T-Dog.

That has always and will forever remain suspect.

Tyrese and Merle NEVER meet. The non-white prisoners are wiped out. Merle never has a real confrontation with any of the non-white National Guardsmen, he just snipes them easy as pumpkin pie.  Problem solved, right?

Merle could have had a working respectful relationship with the Governor's own Rainbow Coalition of blacks, asians, latinos and dirty whites.................. except that we see, when they're go into the Red Zone to assassinate Michonne, that Merle has no problem killing them easy as pumpkin pie.  Problem again solved, right?

Rick solved the non-white Prison Population for issue for Merle (and the viewer). And Axel, who could have very easily threatened the Loveable Redneck dynamic of the Dixon boys, and would have done so without any racial baggage, got capped by the Governor's men.  We don't even get a competing Redneck confrontation.

Think about it:  Axel and Daryl were as 'close' as T-Dog and Jacqui! That doesn't happen in real life, especially with what could have been the competing interest in blooming battered white-trash wifey Carol.

I still don't know why Schubert is alive.  Or how he feels about Merle, or how Merle feels about him.

The show has cheated, with Merle. And all the other characters.  Thanks, AMC.  Fk you as hard as Fox and Syfylis.
 
2013-03-05 02:52:25 AM

Mentat: EsteeFlwrPot: Mentat: EsteeFlwrPot: It's a freaking show about a zombie apocalypse. Why do they need to cover "issues" or represent minorities?

Where did this meme come from?  Zombie stories have been metaphorical and about "issues" since the very beginning.

Like what, brain eaters awareness?

Romero's movies represented the zombies as a metaphor of social conformity.  Dawn of the Dead was a rant against materialism.  And even though it wasn't great, Land of the Dead was a satire of unchecked capitalism.  Shawn of the Dead poked fun at the living whose lives were so meaningless they were indistinguishable from the dead.  And there's there's this comics series called The Walking Dead.  You might have heard of it.


Land of the Dead was the absolute truth, and dovetails with Day of the Dead's commentary on the ruling class' treatment of the proles... as well as the ruling class' treatment of those proles who believe they'll be any safer by accepting their role as tools of their rulers.
 
2013-03-05 03:54:13 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Translation: I only want to be confronted with issues I'm comfortable with.


Implying I'm somehow uncomfortable with the race issue... I'm not.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: The show has cheated, with Merle. And all the other characters. Thanks, AMC. Fk you as hard as Fox and Syfylis.


I think maybe this is just way too important to you.
 
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