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(New York Daily News)   Car crash claims lives of young couple who were on the way to the hospital for the birth of their first child, who was the only survivor. Lord Voldemort sought for questioning   (nydailynews.com) divider line 124
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2013-03-03 10:35:06 PM
This was horribly sad but does anyone find it odd that CNN led off the story with the fact that they were Hassidic jews. In my mind that was the LEAST important fact in the story...
 
2013-03-03 10:57:25 PM

jmr61: supichoo: [www.nydailynews.com image 635x826]

WTF?

That can't really be two Americans can it?

Wow, just wow.


People from West Virginia cannot be this stupid, can they?

Wow, just wow.
 
2013-03-03 11:20:15 PM

jedihirsch: Lady Indica: supichoo: [www.nydailynews.com image 635x826]

WTF?

They're Orthodox Jews, they don't even drive, hence the car service.

Really sad story. Hope the baby makes it. :(

As an Orthodox Jew, I'm sorry to inform you that we drive cars. Just in Brooklyn maybe people just don't own cars at all.

Lady Indica: Slaxl: No!

You don't get to include that picture in such a sad story. I can not be the only person currently struggling with the laughter and sadness.

No. Bad newspaper including that photo. It's not just the hat, I'm not going "haha, foreign cultures are funny and weird". His head... his neck, why is it doing that? It's like someone photoshopped it to bring his head 6 inches closer to her. She looks like she's been forced into the wedding. But the hat is funny...

They were orthodox she might have been forced into it. :(

Sorry "Forced Marriages" are a myth. Jewish law prohibits it. There were a few cases of some ex-hassidic jews making such claims but last I checked they had many of their claims disproven and then they disapeared from the media's "lets bash Haredi Jews again" tour. She just looks nervous.

Don't attack people you know nothing about. I have many Chasidic friends and they are wonderful people. Lets just wish the best for the future of the young child born 3 months premature and without parents. Ok


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They may not be forced, Muslim style.......at the point of an AK-47.....but it's not quite of their free will either.

"What do you mean you don't want to marry Shlomo?  His father is a big macher at the temple!  Do you want to kill your parents?  That's what you're going to do with your goyishe ways!  We'll never be able to find proper spouses for your 27 siblings!  Then we can all go live in the street with the goy animals!  Do you want that?  To live in the street with the goy animals, and eat bologna on white bread with mayo?   Jackov, kill me know so I don't have to watch as our evil daughter, who thinks she's a shiksa, destroys her family!"
 
2013-03-03 11:22:43 PM

willfullyobscure: John Buck 41: willfullyobscure: The Bonfire of the Vanities: Zombie Hebe Baby Edition.

Pretty obscure reference and ironic joke; wouldn't expect you people to "get it"

And you'd be right. At least in my case.

Snark about religion and his (bizarre to most people) getup, this is indeed sad as hell.

In the seminal 80's novel Bonfire of the Vanities, a rich WASP kills a black kid with his car and runs away.  In today's story, a rich guy kills a few jews in his car, and given the various tensions between the black and hasidic communities in NYC that persist, this is an ironic twist on that original tale. Espcially if the drivers turn out to be black.


A black guy driving a BMW? Unlikely.
 
2013-03-03 11:38:11 PM

Archfeld: This was horribly sad but does anyone find it odd that CNN led off the story with the fact that they were Hassidic jews. In my mind that was the LEAST important fact in the story...


It's not new for the media to put race and religion into articles to make a story more entertaining. With the current anti-Semite mood people are going through they probably figured it would result in more clicks and revenue.
 
2013-03-03 11:39:33 PM

miss jinxed: my better half was telling me that the community they come from is saying that they hope the police finds them before they do.  if the hasidic community does find the person responsible, there is a good chance that there won't even be a body found of the person responsible.  that person will just be missing and nothing more will be said about it.  it is sad, but true.


What? It might be true that your better half heard one wingnut say something like that, but where do you come to that ridiculous conclusion? What are you basing this on? When has it ever happened that the Satmer community was suspected of making someone "disappear"?

There were thousands of people at the funeral, no doubt many of them feel the outlet for their anguish is revenge, but the remarks of some bystander aren't a reason to malign a community like that.
 
2013-03-04 12:01:28 AM

RabidJade: Archfeld: This was horribly sad but does anyone find it odd that CNN led off the story with the fact that they were Hassidic jews. In my mind that was the LEAST important fact in the story...

It's not new for the media to put race and religion into articles to make a story more entertaining. With the current anti-Semite mood people are going through they probably figured it would result in more clicks and revenue.


Then there is the "exotic" value. Remember, these are the religious groups that have the Modesty Police that Fark had a thread on a few weeks ago: Link
 
2013-03-04 12:15:19 AM

Fissile: They may not be forced, Muslim style.......at the point of an AK-47.....but it's not quite of their free will either.

"What do you mean you don't want to marry Shlomo?  His father is a big macher at the temple!  Do you want to kill your parents?  That's what you're going to do with your goyishe ways!  We'll never be able to find proper spouses for your 27 siblings!  Then we can all go live in the street with the goy animals!  Do you want that?  To live in the street with the goy animals, and eat bologna on white bread with mayo?   Jackov, kill me know so I don't have to watch as our evil daughter, who thinks she's a shiksa, destroys her family!"


No. No no one ever says things like that.

SpeelChuck: miss jinxed: my better half was telling me that the community they come from is saying that they hope the police finds them before they do.  if the hasidic community does find the person responsible, there is a good chance that there won't even be a body found of the person responsible.  that person will just be missing and nothing more will be said about it.  it is sad, but true.

What? It might be true that your better half heard one wingnut say something like that, but where do you come to that ridiculous conclusion? What are you basing this on? When has it ever happened that the Satmer community was suspected of making someone "disappear"?

There were thousands of people at the funeral, no doubt many of them feel the outlet for their anguish is revenge, but the remarks of some bystander aren't a reason to malign a community like that.


It happens more than you would be comfortable knowing about. They don't make them disappear as in kill them, but they make them disappear as in beat them within an inch of their lives and threaten them to the point where they have to physically leave the community and go somewhere never to be seen or heard of again.
 
2013-03-04 02:00:53 AM

megarian: I'm guessing if you are heavily pregnant and going into labor, you probably wouldn't wear a seatbelt. I doubt most women in that condition couldn't even sit up straight enough to put on a seatbelt. I don't know. Still wish she was wearing one :(


I wore a seatbelt on the way to the hospital to give birth. Pregnant women can wear seatbelts. For some inexplicable reason, people don't wear them in cabs.
 
2013-03-04 02:24:47 AM
'God is punishing me for my sins by taking away my daughter': Father of pregnant Hasidic woman killed on way to hospital in violent crash mourns while her baby remains in intensive care.

No, mankind has killed your daughter by inventing cars because they are too lazy to ride horses.
 
2013-03-04 04:51:45 AM

captcaveman: 'God is punishing me for my sins by taking away my daughter': Father of pregnant Hasidic woman killed on way to hospital in violent crash mourns while her baby remains in intensive care.

No, mankind has killed your daughter by inventing cars because they are too lazy to ride horses.


Oh we wish we had horses, we have to walk 25 miles a day to work, it's up hill both ways. You so lazy with your horses.
 
2013-03-04 07:30:35 AM

Altitude5280: Incredible that the driver survived that.


Too bad Ford did away with the Crown Vic.  Probably everybody would have survived
 
2013-03-04 07:48:27 AM

EsteeFlwrPot: Fissile: They may not be forced, Muslim style.......at the point of an AK-47.....but it's not quite of their free will either.

"What do you mean you don't want to marry Shlomo?  His father is a big macher at the temple!  Do you want to kill your parents?  That's what you're going to do with your goyishe ways!  We'll never be able to find proper spouses for your 27 siblings!  Then we can all go live in the street with the goy animals!  Do you want that?  To live in the street with the goy animals, and eat bologna on white bread with mayo?   Jackov, kill me know so I don't have to watch as our evil daughter, who thinks she's a shiksa, destroys her family!"

No. No no one ever says things like that.

SpeelChuck: miss jinxed: my better half was telling me that the community they come from is saying that they hope the police finds them before they do.  if the hasidic community does find the person responsible, there is a good chance that there won't even be a body found of the person responsible.  that person will just be missing and nothing more will be said about it.  it is sad, but true.

What? It might be true that your better half heard one wingnut say something like that, but where do you come to that ridiculous conclusion? What are you basing this on? When has it ever happened that the Satmer community was suspected of making someone "disappear"?

There were thousands of people at the funeral, no doubt many of them feel the outlet for their anguish is revenge, but the remarks of some bystander aren't a reason to malign a community like that.

It happens more than you would be comfortable knowing about. They don't make them disappear as in kill them, but they make them disappear as in beat them within an inch of their lives and threaten them to the point where they have to physically leave the community and go somewhere never to be seen or heard of again.


No it doesn't. They do not practice vigilante justice against people outside the community. There are instances of intimidation within the community against perceived wrongdoers, like the recent case involving the former unlicensed therapist recently convicted of sex abuse against a young woman. In that case, supporters of the accused  tried to intimidate the accuser and her family, including harassing them until they had to close their business.

Other than perhaps some misunderstandings or confusion on your part as far as certain codes of conduct that occur within their community (and not vis-a-vis outsiders), I can't understand why you would want to malign an entire group in this manner.
 
2013-03-04 08:44:35 AM
They just announced the baby died  :(
 
2013-03-04 09:07:09 AM

twobux: They just announced the baby died  :(


Well, that is verysad.  I hope they catch the driver of the other car and punish him/her harshly.

I expect the car was stolen, or they were under the influence - why else would you run?  Coward(s)
 
2013-03-04 09:16:39 AM
SpeelChuck: No it doesn't. They do not practice vigilante justice against people outside the community. There are instances of intimidation within the community against perceived wrongdoers widespread, systemic, organized suppression of child rape victims, like the recent case involving the former unlicensed therapistprominent Satmar rebbe Nechemya Weberman recently convicted of sex abuse against a young womansexually enslaving and raping a 12 year old for 3 years straight. In that case, supporters of the accused  tried to intimidate intimidated and ostracizedthe accuser and her family, including harassing them until they had to close their business.Other than perhaps some misunderstandings or confusion on your part as far as certain codes of conduct that occur within their community (and not vis-a-vis outsiders), I can't understand why you would want to malign an entire group in this manner.

Dude, these assholes make Catholic clergy look like amateurs.  Weberman was one conviction out of HUNDREDS of unprosecuted allegations of child rape and it's still widely denied even after they showed video footage of the good rebbe raping the child. fark these people sideways, they can all DIAF if that's how they want to live their life. Plus they're all welfare queens that take my money because they don't want to work. Don't even get me started on Kiryas Joel

There's stereotyping for reasons of ignorance and fear, and there's stereotyping for very, very good reasons. The Satmars are a corrupted and evil people that frankly abuse their children and the charity of others. fark them.
 
2013-03-04 09:54:03 AM
I know where I've seen that hat before!
s.shld.net
 
2013-03-04 09:54:37 AM
I'm not usually one for Old Testament-style retribution, but I wouldn't object to some raining down on the driver and passenger that fled.
 
2013-03-04 10:53:01 AM

willfullyobscure: SpeelChuck: No it doesn't. They do not practice vigilante justice against people outside the community. There are instances of intimidation within the community against perceived wrongdoers widespread, systemic, organized suppression of child rape victims, like the recent case involving the former unlicensed therapistprominent Satmar rebbe Nechemya Weberman recently convicted of sex abuse against a young womansexually enslaving and raping a 12 year old for 3 years straight. In that case, supporters of the accused  tried to intimidate intimidated and ostracizedthe accuser and her family, including harassing them until they had to close their business.Other than perhaps some misunderstandings or confusion on your part as far as certain codes of conduct that occur within their community (and not vis-a-vis outsiders), I can't understand why you would want to malign an entire group in this manner.

Dude, these assholes make Catholic clergy look like amateurs.  Weberman was one conviction out of HUNDREDS of unprosecuted allegations of child rape and it's still widely denied even after they showed video footage of the good rebbe raping the child. fark these people sideways, they can all DIAF if that's how they want to live their life. Plus they're all welfare queens that take my money because they don't want to work. Don't even get me started on Kiryas Joel

There's stereotyping for reasons of ignorance and fear, and there's stereotyping for very, very good reasons. The Satmars are a corrupted and evil people that frankly abuse their children and the charity of others. fark them.


I mentioned Weberman as an example. My point was that this occurred within their community, not against outsiders like the perpetrator of this horrific hit-and-run. Re Weberman, few things disgusted more in my life than to see the mainstream support he got. But at least the prosecutor pushed the case through, which is a precedent. Maybe next time they'll think twice about blindly supporting a monster.
 
2013-03-04 11:31:50 AM
Now there's mention that the cab driver had a stop sign, but the BMW didn't....

Oh, how will they turn the outrage around in the media frenzy? Sounds like the BMW driver and passenger just ran because they don't legally own the vehicle.

/wear your seatbelt
 
2013-03-04 12:31:15 PM
I'm pretty sure other people died in a car crash in NYC this weekend. But no, Jews don't control the media at all.

RIP
 
2013-03-04 02:08:13 PM
Bird, I'm sure there were other Jews killed in car accidents too.  But probably none where the infant was removed by emergency C-section from his dying mother.
 
2013-03-04 03:24:28 PM

supichoo: [www.nydailynews.com image 635x826]

WTF?


Woman: "I've just made a terrible mistake."
 
2013-03-04 06:05:04 PM

SpeelChuck: No it doesn't. They do not practice vigilante justice against people outside the community. There are instances of intimidation within the community against perceived wrongdoers, like the recent case involving the former unlicensed therapist recently convicted of sex abuse against a young woman. In that case, supporters of the accused  tried to intimidate the accuser and her family, including harassing them until they had to close their business.

Other than perhaps some misunderstandings or confusion on your part as far as certain codes of conduct that occur within their community (and not vis-a-vis outsiders), I can't understand why you would want to malign an entire group in this manner.


...that's assuming the drivers weren't part of the community. How do you know they weren't? I'm well aware of the community's actions, probably more than you might be, so I know what i'm talking about. If the drivers aren't Jewish then yeah they'll be handled by the police and the justice system but we don't know that, now do we? And about that girl, i'm only 2 people removed from her and I know for a fact that her life was threatened on a regular basis. I'm not slandering this community, i'm just telling you what they are capable and willing to do to whoever killed this family, if they are a part of the same community.
 
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