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2013-03-03 09:29:33 AM
Yes submitter this is sick. Poop magically disappears down pipes, so this "technology" is useless.
 
2013-03-03 09:39:36 AM
This article is full of win and needs a "cool" tag.
 
2013-03-03 10:35:31 AM
That is freaking awesome!
 
2013-03-03 10:59:14 AM
Who. Run. Bartertown?

/stupidmitter is stupid. This is a cool technology.
 
2013-03-03 11:16:07 AM
Not sh*t! Energy!
 
2013-03-03 11:32:26 AM
i105.photobucket.com  for the practicality,  i105.photobucket.com for the technology,  i105.photobucket.com for the people who decided to do this, and  i105.photobucket.com for subby.
 
2013-03-03 01:21:31 PM
Gee, cycle of life, how does it work?

I'm glad more people are getting involved in bio-derived energy.
 
2013-03-03 01:40:36 PM

Joelogon: Who. Run. Bartertown?

/stupidmitter is stupid. This is a cool technology.


It is cool.

Came for the Mad Max reference.  Leaving happy.
 
2013-03-03 01:48:28 PM

FloydA:   for the practicality,   for the technology,   for the people who decided to do this, and   for subby.


It's not new. We use this all the time. Landfill caps for example allow methane to be captured and burned for energy. And I know this kind of energy production is used in places like Panama for farms, using animal waste.
 
2013-03-03 02:02:11 PM
Just put a big filtration system into the Charles, you'll have power for days!

Seriously, build it into the dam under the museum of science, and make more profit.
 
2013-03-03 02:03:27 PM
Is a kangaroo taking them there?

/probably not obscure
 
2013-03-03 02:11:06 PM
I think this is a crappy idea.
 
2013-03-03 02:12:58 PM
www.danablankenhorn.com

"Hello, I'm Robin Williams. I've just had a black bean burrito. That's right, I'm gonna drive all the way from San Francisco to Washington DC. Yep, the shiat has hit the fan, and it's powering my car! Won't you join us? Fark green, go brown!"
 
2013-03-03 02:18:28 PM
Municipalities have been using co-gen energy at their wastewater (shiat water) plants for years and years. They sell the excess back to the grid. This is one of the reasons the rate has remained stable compared to other "services" in the recent past. Any sewage rate that has jumped excessively is just the customer getting raped by a corrupt political class.
 
2013-03-03 02:24:07 PM
fark green, fark brown. Let's just go right to plaid.
 
2013-03-03 02:28:36 PM
something something massholes something sommething poop
 
2013-03-03 02:36:27 PM
Heh, that's funny Subby. My dad (highway engineer) sent me a link about how they were testing a new type of "green" asphalt made using pig shiat.

Pig shiat.

So I says to him, I says, "Green technology? More like brown technology."
 
2013-03-03 02:37:05 PM

GAT_00: FloydA:   for the practicality,   for the technology,   for the people who decided to do this, and   for subby.

It's not new. We use this all the time. Landfill caps for example allow methane to be captured and burned for energy. And I know this kind of energy production is used in places like Panama for farms, using animal waste.



Oh it's certainly not "new."  China and India have been doing it since the 1970s.  It's still cool and interesting.
 
2013-03-03 02:41:15 PM

GranoblasticMan: fark green, fark brown. Let's just go right to plaid.


Prepare ship for ludicrous speed!
 
2013-03-03 02:55:54 PM
This doesn't pass the smell test.
 
2013-03-03 03:00:00 PM

FloydA: GAT_00: FloydA:   for the practicality,   for the technology,   for the people who decided to do this, and   for subby.

It's not new. We use this all the time. Landfill caps for example allow methane to be captured and burned for energy. And I know this kind of energy production is used in places like Panama for farms, using animal waste.


Oh it's certainly not "new."  China and India have been doing it since the 1970s.  It's still cool and interesting.


According to TA, this is new to them.  It is the first in that commonwealth, and soon their heads will spin when they find out about wind turbines and smart phones.  They're still adjusting to no longer hearing that dial up sound.
 
2013-03-03 03:24:01 PM
Big deal.  A few sewer plants in lower NY are partially or totally off the grid because they burn digester gas.  It's nothing new.
 
2013-03-03 03:24:44 PM
poop power. that's awesome. if someone could have harnessed the flatulence my Dad expelled back in the day we could have shut down several nuclear plants.
 
2013-03-03 03:36:06 PM
Oh, how quaint.. the u.s. is playing eco catch-up with us! Next y'all will be telling the world about this great invention of yours that captures wind and magially transforms it into, um, sorry.... *spoilers*

You big bunch cutie-pies ^-^
 
2013-03-03 03:38:30 PM

lack of warmth: According to TA, this is new to them. It is the first in that commonwealth, and soon their heads will spin when they find out about wind turbines and smart phones. They're still adjusting to no longer hearing that dial up sound.


yeah we're libby libs on paper but the nimby element in this state is insane. it drives me nuts talking to people around here.
 
2013-03-03 03:43:15 PM
Yeah, when I think of Massachusetts I typically think of shiat too.
 
2013-03-03 03:44:21 PM
Digesters have been around for over 100 years. Massachusetts is just now finding out about them?
 
2013-03-03 03:44:51 PM
Don't see the sick in this.

We have a waste treatment plant here in Fall River that I'd love to see get a system like this.
 
2013-03-03 03:45:53 PM
Why sick tag? If this works out in the long run it'll actually be pretty neat.
 
2013-03-03 03:47:31 PM
Subtract cost from benefit and if its still a positive, then compare to other forms of energy production. If its worth doing, great.
 
2013-03-03 04:00:57 PM

Radioactive Ass: Digesters have been around for over 100 years. Massachusetts is just now finding out about them?


You have to understand something about the college campus capital of the world:  It's the college campus capital of the world sitting on an absurdly segregated smorgasbord of 200-, 300-, 400-year-old colonies.  We're talking old white people who discriminate against each other.  It's also why the nightlife here is shiat (they pass laws to piss off anyone who stays awake past 8PM), but I digress.

That means that the vast majority of the people in this state are young liberals, but all the money & property are owned by the biggest packs of NIMBY bigots (and their carefully indoctrinated descendants) that give the entire state an epic douchebag reputation.  I'm not shocked that Massachusetts is 100 years behind the tech curve in something that would set off the NIMBY crowd so much as impressed that they actually made progress.
 
2013-03-03 04:05:53 PM

dragonchild: That means that the vast majority of the people in this state are young liberals, but all the money & property are owned by the biggest packs of NIMBY bigots (and their carefully indoctrinated descendants) that give the entire state an epic douchebag reputation. I'm not shocked that Massachusetts is 100 years behind the tech curve in something that would set off the NIMBY crowd so much as impressed that they actually made progress.


i'm saving this, it describes MA *perfectly*
 
2013-03-03 04:09:54 PM
How soon until Fox News claims that this kills a thousand migratory birds every month?
 
2013-03-03 04:28:01 PM

Huggermugger: How soon until Fox News claims that this kills a thousand migratory birds every month?


A immediately after their expose on the evil windmill power plants that are popping up all over. "And now for something else as a threat to migratory birds, waste reconstitution"
 
2013-03-03 04:32:01 PM

Huggermugger: How soon until Fox News claims that this kills a thousand migratory birds every month?


Cleveland has a shiat-ton of wind turbines up and more popping up every day.   So far, there fails to be a huge pile of dead geese at their bases.

/pity.  goose tastes pretty good
 
2013-03-03 04:32:18 PM

uttertosh: Oh, how quaint.. the u.s. is playing eco catch-up with us! Next y'all will be telling the world about this great invention of yours that captures wind and magially transforms it into, um, sorry.... *spoilers*

You big bunch cutie-pies ^-^


The US produced 140,089 terawatt hours of wind energy last year. Sweden produced 6.
 
2013-03-03 04:35:16 PM

Huggermugger: How soon until Fox News claims that this kills a thousand migratory birds every month?


I think they already tried it. turns out they kill just as many as any other large human building.
 
2013-03-03 04:38:25 PM
Almost there

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-03 04:40:21 PM
Money talks, bullshiat walks... and now is also used for electricity generation, saving money so there's less talking needed. Since much talk is bullshiat in the first place, would this new development finally get Massachusetts residents to cut the crap?

/not sure what I just said
 
2013-03-03 05:01:11 PM

thisiszombocom: something something massholes something sommething poop


Yep.  Came for this.
 
2013-03-03 05:16:09 PM
You know what happens when you go green and brown at the same time?

plaidurday.com
 
2013-03-03 05:24:59 PM

Huggermugger: How soon until Fox News claims that this kills a thousand migratory birds every month?


3.bp.blogspot.com

/Genocide of migratory birds due to Obama-fridges
//thanks Barack!
 
2013-03-03 05:43:22 PM
As god is my witness I thought/assumed they already did this on a large scale at sewage treatment plants.  Methane = free power.
 
2013-03-03 05:47:20 PM
This is a really good idea, but how about instead of mandating it from gov, removing the laws declaring digesters illegal and let the people build them by their own initiative?

Big gov is big.
 
2013-03-03 05:48:41 PM

lordargent: Almost there

[25.media.tumblr.com image 432x424]


You have to let it sit underground for a few million years first.
 
2013-03-03 06:21:36 PM
This being Massachusetts, the state has to hold back on building until the legislature can figure how to A: make sure it is an inefficient money-losing proposition and, B; maximize the number of no-show jobs that can be created.
 
Slu
2013-03-03 06:36:49 PM
Dean Ween would approve. Don't care what Aaron thinks.
 
2013-03-03 07:02:20 PM
 
2013-03-03 07:26:29 PM
So now we know how Drew powers the fark.com server, piles of bullshiat from the politics tab ran through a digester
 
2013-03-03 09:06:23 PM

RedVentrue: This is a really good idea, but how about instead of mandating it from gov, removing the laws declaring digesters illegal and let the people build them by their own initiative?

Big gov is big.


Ya know, I have a wee bit of sympathy for some libertarian beliefs, but the prospect of having my next door neighbor building a pit of feces in his backyard is a bit beyond where I draw the line.
 
2013-03-03 09:09:36 PM

eatin' fetus: uttertosh: Oh, how quaint.. the u.s. is playing eco catch-up with us! Next y'all will be telling the world about this great invention of yours that captures wind and magially transforms it into, um, sorry.... *spoilers*

You big bunch cutie-pies ^-^

The US produced 140,089 terawatt hours of wind energy last year. Sweden produced 6.


The problem is, the whole world consumes about 140,000 terawatthours (140 petawatthours) as of 2008.  There was no way the US, via wind, produced almost enough power to support the bulk of the planet's power needs. Something about that read wrong.

I looked up the Wikipedia article, then read through the cited source for the wind power for 2012.  So, yeah, the person who typed the summary from the DOE doc did their UOM conversion wrong.  It's 140 terawatthours of wind, or 140,089 gigawatthours of wind.

Looking at the Energy Info for both US (2011) and Sweden (2010), of the electricity the US produces, 2.9% of it is wind.  Sweden's wind share of electric production is 2.4%.  However, looking at the bigger picture, the US gets 60%+ from coal or natural gas plants, whereas Sweden's largest power source is 50%+ hydro.
 
2013-03-03 09:16:32 PM

Huggermugger: RedVentrue: This is a really good idea, but how about instead of mandating it from gov, removing the laws declaring digesters illegal and let the people build them by their own initiative?

Big gov is big.

Ya know, I have a wee bit of sympathy for some libertarian beliefs, but the prospect of having my next door neighbor building a pit of feces in his backyard is a bit beyond where I draw the line.


You know what sucks even more, when the city does it
 
2013-03-03 09:36:21 PM

loonatic112358: Huggermugger: RedVentrue: This is a really good idea, but how about instead of mandating it from gov, removing the laws declaring digesters illegal and let the people build them by their own initiative?

Big gov is big.

Ya know, I have a wee bit of sympathy for some libertarian beliefs, but the prospect of having my next door neighbor building a pit of feces in his backyard is a bit beyond where I draw the line.

You know what sucks even more, when the city does it


When the city does, it I know that I've got some legal recourse: I can raise a ruckus about it at City Hall, and vote out the bastards if necessary.  If my neighbor does it without any accountability, all I have to look forward to is endless court dates where he squabbles about the fringe on the flag and being his own sovereign nation, and being addressed as a maritime entity.

Also, I thought that libertarians didn't have any problem with local municipal laws, it's only the federal law that they hate?  Right, think again...
 
2013-03-03 10:20:57 PM

mrlewish: As god is my witness I thought/assumed they already did this on a large scale at sewage treatment plants.  Methane = free power.


They do. Well, in one form or another. In colder climates they burn some of it to heat the digester itself. Frozen poop doesn't make methane and too cold poop takes to long to break down. Other ones heat their buildings, drive small generators or otherwise use the methane on-site. Very few burn it all off to the atmosphere.
 
2013-03-03 10:31:51 PM
 
2013-03-04 01:09:03 AM
My super villain name used to be The Digester, so I'm getting a kick....
 
2013-03-04 03:40:58 AM
I know he's been mentioned already:  but we need visuals...
welovecult.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-03-04 03:54:00 AM

Loucifer: My super villain name used to be The Digester, so I'm getting a kick....


Chester! Is that you?!?

Wait, maybe I have you confused with someone else?
 
2013-03-04 04:21:31 AM

Rihlsul: However, looking at the bigger picture, the US gets 60%+ from coal or natural gas plants, whereas Sweden's largest power source is 50%+ hydro.

 
2013-03-04 08:33:37 AM
Hey gardeners, ever buy MILORGANITE? Yeah, it's made from human waste. Even better, it's made from Canadian human waste. My organic garden loves it when Canadians make poopie.
 
2013-03-04 09:37:46 AM

Huggermugger: RedVentrue: This is a really good idea, but how about instead of mandating it from gov, removing the laws declaring digesters illegal and let the people build them by their own initiative?

Big gov is big.

Ya know, I have a wee bit of sympathy for some libertarian beliefs, but the prospect of having my next door neighbor building a pit of feces in his backyard is a bit beyond where I draw the line.


I don't want one there either, but there has to be some middle gound between outlawing something and having one in your backyard.

loonatic112358: Huggermugger: RedVentrue: This is a really good idea, but how about instead of mandating it from gov, removing the laws declaring digesters illegal and let the people build them by their own initiative?

Big gov is big.

Ya know, I have a wee bit of sympathy for some libertarian beliefs, but the prospect of having my next door neighbor building a pit of feces in his backyard is a bit beyond where I draw the line.

You know what sucks even more, when the city does it


I tend to agree.
 
2013-03-04 07:32:22 PM
Rihlsul:
Looking at the Energy Info for both US (2011) and Sweden (2010), of the electricity the US produces, 2.9% of it is wind.  Sweden's wind share of electric production is 2.4%.  However, looking at the bigger picture, the US gets 60%+ from coal or natural gas plants, whereas Sweden's largest power source is 50%+ hydro.

We're short of hydro.  Where we can get it, we do.

On the flip side, if you look at that same Wiki page, we produce something like over a quarter of the world's wind-based energy from less than a fifth of the world's installed generators.   No wonder installations are going up.  I remember when we were bidding on making the blades for the turbines.  HUGE demand for those.
 
2013-03-04 09:21:01 PM
Mass already has a huge sewage-to-gas conversion facility.
 
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