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2013-03-03 09:09:36 PM

eatin' fetus: uttertosh: Oh, how quaint.. the u.s. is playing eco catch-up with us! Next y'all will be telling the world about this great invention of yours that captures wind and magially transforms it into, um, sorry.... *spoilers*

You big bunch cutie-pies ^-^

The US produced 140,089 terawatt hours of wind energy last year. Sweden produced 6.


The problem is, the whole world consumes about 140,000 terawatthours (140 petawatthours) as of 2008.  There was no way the US, via wind, produced almost enough power to support the bulk of the planet's power needs. Something about that read wrong.

I looked up the Wikipedia article, then read through the cited source for the wind power for 2012.  So, yeah, the person who typed the summary from the DOE doc did their UOM conversion wrong.  It's 140 terawatthours of wind, or 140,089 gigawatthours of wind.

Looking at the Energy Info for both US (2011) and Sweden (2010), of the electricity the US produces, 2.9% of it is wind.  Sweden's wind share of electric production is 2.4%.  However, looking at the bigger picture, the US gets 60%+ from coal or natural gas plants, whereas Sweden's largest power source is 50%+ hydro.
 
2013-03-03 09:16:32 PM

Huggermugger: RedVentrue: This is a really good idea, but how about instead of mandating it from gov, removing the laws declaring digesters illegal and let the people build them by their own initiative?

Big gov is big.

Ya know, I have a wee bit of sympathy for some libertarian beliefs, but the prospect of having my next door neighbor building a pit of feces in his backyard is a bit beyond where I draw the line.


You know what sucks even more, when the city does it
 
2013-03-03 09:36:21 PM

loonatic112358: Huggermugger: RedVentrue: This is a really good idea, but how about instead of mandating it from gov, removing the laws declaring digesters illegal and let the people build them by their own initiative?

Big gov is big.

Ya know, I have a wee bit of sympathy for some libertarian beliefs, but the prospect of having my next door neighbor building a pit of feces in his backyard is a bit beyond where I draw the line.

You know what sucks even more, when the city does it


When the city does, it I know that I've got some legal recourse: I can raise a ruckus about it at City Hall, and vote out the bastards if necessary.  If my neighbor does it without any accountability, all I have to look forward to is endless court dates where he squabbles about the fringe on the flag and being his own sovereign nation, and being addressed as a maritime entity.

Also, I thought that libertarians didn't have any problem with local municipal laws, it's only the federal law that they hate?  Right, think again...
 
2013-03-03 10:20:57 PM

mrlewish: As god is my witness I thought/assumed they already did this on a large scale at sewage treatment plants.  Methane = free power.


They do. Well, in one form or another. In colder climates they burn some of it to heat the digester itself. Frozen poop doesn't make methane and too cold poop takes to long to break down. Other ones heat their buildings, drive small generators or otherwise use the methane on-site. Very few burn it all off to the atmosphere.
 
2013-03-03 10:31:51 PM
 
2013-03-04 01:09:03 AM
My super villain name used to be The Digester, so I'm getting a kick....
 
2013-03-04 03:40:58 AM
I know he's been mentioned already:  but we need visuals...
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2013-03-04 03:54:00 AM

Loucifer: My super villain name used to be The Digester, so I'm getting a kick....


Chester! Is that you?!?

Wait, maybe I have you confused with someone else?
 
2013-03-04 04:21:31 AM

Rihlsul: However, looking at the bigger picture, the US gets 60%+ from coal or natural gas plants, whereas Sweden's largest power source is 50%+ hydro.

 
2013-03-04 08:33:37 AM
Hey gardeners, ever buy MILORGANITE? Yeah, it's made from human waste. Even better, it's made from Canadian human waste. My organic garden loves it when Canadians make poopie.
 
2013-03-04 09:37:46 AM

Huggermugger: RedVentrue: This is a really good idea, but how about instead of mandating it from gov, removing the laws declaring digesters illegal and let the people build them by their own initiative?

Big gov is big.

Ya know, I have a wee bit of sympathy for some libertarian beliefs, but the prospect of having my next door neighbor building a pit of feces in his backyard is a bit beyond where I draw the line.


I don't want one there either, but there has to be some middle gound between outlawing something and having one in your backyard.

loonatic112358: Huggermugger: RedVentrue: This is a really good idea, but how about instead of mandating it from gov, removing the laws declaring digesters illegal and let the people build them by their own initiative?

Big gov is big.

Ya know, I have a wee bit of sympathy for some libertarian beliefs, but the prospect of having my next door neighbor building a pit of feces in his backyard is a bit beyond where I draw the line.

You know what sucks even more, when the city does it


I tend to agree.
 
2013-03-04 07:32:22 PM
Rihlsul:
Looking at the Energy Info for both US (2011) and Sweden (2010), of the electricity the US produces, 2.9% of it is wind.  Sweden's wind share of electric production is 2.4%.  However, looking at the bigger picture, the US gets 60%+ from coal or natural gas plants, whereas Sweden's largest power source is 50%+ hydro.

We're short of hydro.  Where we can get it, we do.

On the flip side, if you look at that same Wiki page, we produce something like over a quarter of the world's wind-based energy from less than a fifth of the world's installed generators.   No wonder installations are going up.  I remember when we were bidding on making the blades for the turbines.  HUGE demand for those.
 
2013-03-04 09:21:01 PM
Mass already has a huge sewage-to-gas conversion facility.
 
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