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(Slate)   "The most terrifying books for children are the ones where the book itself is being read to the children in the story." BOOKCEPTION   (slate.com) divider line 90
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2013-03-03 11:23:10 AM
That was the height of literary masturbation.
 
2013-03-03 11:52:38 AM
As someone who does research in American postmodern literature and has taught modern literature in the college classroom, I would just like to state unequivocally that this "essay" is unbelieveably stupid. Borges would have punched this guy in the 'nads. And as a parent, I like most others caught the intertexual references in Margaret Wise Brown's books the first time, and we point it out to our kids. And she does it in Our World, too. My kids LOVE seeing intertextual references that build a self-enclosed narrative world with different books as different entry points. Nothing terrifying at all. And like Borges, I too want to punch the author in the 'nads. This piece is a perfect example of exegesis as eisegesis----what he got out of the text is nothing but what he projected into the text.
 
2013-03-03 01:48:02 PM
 What the hell did I just read?
 
2013-03-03 01:48:12 PM

Somacandra: As someone who does research in American postmodern literature and has taught modern literature in the college classroom, I would just like to state unequivocally that this "essay" is unbelieveably stupid. Borges would have punched this guy in the 'nads. And as a parent, I like most others caught the intertexual references in Margaret Wise Brown's books the first time, and we point it out to our kids. And she does it in Our World, too. My kids LOVE seeing intertextual references that build a self-enclosed narrative world with different books as different entry points. Nothing terrifying at all. And like Borges, I too want to punch the author in the 'nads. This piece is a perfect example of exegesis as eisegesis----what he got out of the text is nothing but what he projected into the text.


I think we're done here....
 
2013-03-03 01:53:08 PM
Yep, Somacandra pretty much sums it up.  My kid loves the many cross-references we've encountered in his books.  I think the idea that kids would be overly anxious about recursiveness or intertexuality speaks more to the parent's reaction than anything else.  We model behaviour afterall...
 
2013-03-03 01:53:45 PM
Headline wins.
 
2013-03-03 01:55:31 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-03 01:57:07 PM
Yo Dawg, I hear you like books.

media.tumblr.com
So we put a book in your book so you can read while you read.
 
2013-03-03 01:57:13 PM
This is not my post.

It is a post of my post from a post of a comment I made in a post where I referenced a comment that I made in a post.
 
2013-03-03 01:58:20 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-03 01:58:45 PM
That article is some kind of extremely complex joke that my unlearned mind simply cannot comprehend, right?

Right? Because, you know, the alternative is that the author is actually serious.
 
2013-03-03 01:59:33 PM
What about movies in which the book is being read to the kid on screen?

cf.drafthouse.com

/Hot
//DNRTFA
 
2013-03-03 02:00:11 PM
Totally missing 'The Neverending Story'.  If you never read the book, do so before you pass it on to your kids.

(possible slight spoiler ahead)

The Empress in the story causes a crisis to get the young boy from earth to save them all - by inducing a recursive loop in the narrative; getting the 'scribe' of the Neverending story to read it out loud to her from the beginning.  Very cool looking back at it now (especially as I'm a pro programmer), but it strangely freaked me out as a kid.
 
2013-03-03 02:00:13 PM
"My students say I'm too verbose. Would you be predisposed to corroborate such an assertion?"
 
2013-03-03 02:00:35 PM

SpdrJay: This is not my post.

It is a post of my post from a post of a comment I made in a post where I referenced a comment that I made in a post.



STOP SCARING ME
 
2013-03-03 02:03:09 PM
smollin.com
 
2013-03-03 02:06:43 PM
"Little Timmy and the Unpublished PhD Thesis"
 
2013-03-03 02:07:55 PM
I think the author of that article came to the horrifying realization that there are a great many people in the world who are smarter than the author.  The author decided to write something that would make the rest of us dumber just by reading it.

Author is an idiot.

To summarize:

What the fark did I just read?!
 
2013-03-03 02:10:30 PM
why is this headline in quotes?

those words appear nowhere in the article.

bad subby
 
2013-03-03 02:11:42 PM

baka-san: What the hell did I just read?


You know how stoners on hallucinogens speculate about how atoms in their fingertips could contain entire universes? And how our universe is just an atom in the fingertip of a being residing in an even vaster universe? Basically, the children's version of that.
 
2013-03-03 02:15:46 PM
Children's book thread!!!

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Will post more if I think of 'em...BTW these are ones that the kids AND the parents enjoy...
 
2013-03-03 02:15:52 PM
Wuuuuut?
 
2013-03-03 02:17:31 PM
The Book That Eats People would have a field day with this douchebag.
 
2013-03-03 02:18:44 PM
img19.imageshack.us
Not 'shooped.
 
2013-03-03 02:19:10 PM

Somacandra: eisegesis


Ooh, a new word.  I'm keeping it.  I'm also counting it as having done something today.
 
2013-03-03 02:19:50 PM

Somacandra: As someone who does research in American postmodern literature and has taught modern literature in the college classroom, I would just like to state unequivocally that this "essay" is unbelieveably stupid. Borges would have punched this guy in the 'nads. And as a parent, I like most others caught the intertexual references in Margaret Wise Brown's books the first time, and we point it out to our kids. And she does it in Our World, too. My kids LOVE seeing intertextual references that build a self-enclosed narrative world with different books as different entry points. Nothing terrifying at all. And like Borges, I too want to punch the author in the 'nads. This piece is a perfect example of exegesis as eisegesis----what he got out of the text is nothing but what he projected into the text.


I came here to say hat.
 
2013-03-03 02:23:53 PM
"The Neverending Story" (the book) FTW

/FALCORRRRRRR!!!!
 
2013-03-03 02:26:18 PM
HAT!

(me too)
 
2013-03-03 02:27:33 PM
Came for the  upload.wikimedia.org leaving disappointed.
 
2013-03-03 02:38:34 PM
Actually, the concepts mentioned are currently heavily discussed in physics. Douglas Hofstadter's I am a strange loop is mindbending. If children are truly noticing these mini worlds within worlds, its a great introduction to these concepts. And should they truly be taking an interest in such things at such tender ages, the possibilities for beginning thier education in these topics are vast.
 
2013-03-03 02:38:34 PM

Hughlander: Came for the  [upload.wikimedia.org image 160x175] leaving disappointed.


It goes Buggrit, that is not my Foul Ole Ron.
 
2013-03-03 02:39:39 PM

baka-san: What the hell did I just read?


Came to post EXACTLY THIS.
 
2013-03-03 02:39:47 PM
"exegesis as eisegesis". Never thought I'd see that phrase on Fark.
Bravo!
 
2013-03-03 02:39:52 PM
i50.tinypic.com

A really fun recursive story that my kids love.
 
2013-03-03 02:42:41 PM
Am I the only one who really watched that piece of trash movie? Inception isn't a dream in a dream. Inception is putting an idea in someone's mind and having them think it is an original thought of their own. So the whole (anything)ception trend is based off of misinterpreted information or just general laziness in an attempt at being creative or witty.
 
2013-03-03 02:43:00 PM

Somacandra: As someone who does research in American postmodern literature and has taught modern literature in the college classroom, I would just like to state unequivocally that this "essay" is unbelieveably stupid. Borges would have punched this guy in the 'nads. And as a parent, I like most others caught the intertexual references in Margaret Wise Brown's books the first time, and we point it out to our kids. And she does it in Our World, too. My kids LOVE seeing intertextual references that build a self-enclosed narrative world with different books as different entry points. Nothing terrifying at all. And like Borges, I too want to punch the author in the 'nads. This piece is a perfect example of exegesis as eisegesis----what he got out of the text is nothing but what he projected into the text.


As someone who knows a thing or two about literature, I thought the article was hilarious. I suggest you read it again, and you may find that the "terror" is, in fact, tongue-in-cheek. Eisegesis, indeed.
 
2013-03-03 02:44:31 PM

JrNeutron: Am I the only one who really watched that piece of trash movie? Inception isn't a dream in a dream. Inception is putting an idea in someone's mind and having them think it is an original thought of their own. So the whole (anything)ception trend is based off of misinterpreted information or just general laziness in an attempt at being creative or witty.


That's exactly what you're being programmed to believe.
 
2013-03-03 02:50:55 PM
I remember watching some hippie movie from the 60s or 70s that was a recursive-book-story.  I remember it had wizards, white unicorns, etc., and every once in a while the book would show up in the story, someone would start reading from it, and everything would push into a new story.  Anyone know the name of it?
 
2013-03-03 02:54:06 PM
Looks like someone mistakenly submitted their article to Slate instead of Cracked
 
2013-03-03 02:54:27 PM

JrNeutron: So the whole (anything)ception trend is based off of misinterpreted information or just general laziness in an attempt at being creative or witty.


Wow... so it's like Movie-Gate, then?
 
2013-03-03 02:54:56 PM

JrNeutron: Am I the only one who really watched that piece of trash movie? Inception isn't a dream in a dream. Inception is putting an idea in someone's mind and having them think it is an original thought of their own. So the whole (anything)ception trend is based off of misinterpreted information or just general laziness in an attempt at being creative or witty.


cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-03-03 02:57:07 PM

JrNeutron: Am I the only one who really watched that piece of trash movie? Inception isn't a dream in a dream. Inception is putting an idea in someone's mind and having them think it is an original thought of their own. So the whole (anything)ception trend is based off of misinterpreted information or just general laziness in an attempt at being creative or witty.


So, you might call it...InceptionGate?
 
2013-03-03 02:57:11 PM

Hallows_Eve: "The Neverending Story" (the book) FTW

/FALCORRRRRRR!!!!


The better line is 'Bastian, say my name!' but mostly because I add 'biatch' to the line.
 
2013-03-03 02:58:15 PM

Barricaded Gunman: JrNeutron: So the whole (anything)ception trend is based off of misinterpreted information or just general laziness in an attempt at being creative or witty.

Wow... so it's like Movie-Gate, then?


GOD DAMN IT SO MUCH!

/shakes tiny fist
 
2013-03-03 03:02:02 PM
Children's Books for Fantasy/SciFi Nerds - GO:

Catwings: Ursula K Le Guin
Roverandom: JRR Tolkien
The Ice Dragon: GRR Martin


Fill me up, Fark.

/yea, exactly like that
 
2013-03-03 03:16:52 PM

INeedAName: The better line is 'Bastian, say my name!' but mostly because I add 'biatch' to the line.


I remember the name Bastian gave was his mothers, and that his mother's name was Moon Child. Which made me wonder what kind of grandparents this kid had post WWI-ish that would've named their child Moon Child.

But yeah, with the argument that the Princess Bride did as well to break down the fourth page wall- TNE did it for me more convincingly.

/Cried when I read Artex dying.
//Cried again when I saw the movie.
 
DB
2013-03-03 03:18:40 PM
What happened to everyone's sense of humor? Are we now taking everything we read on the internet seriously? Poe's Law I  guess.
 
2013-03-03 03:27:40 PM

mark.jms: Children's Books for Fantasy/SciFi Nerds - GO:

Catwings: Ursula K Le Guin
Roverandom: JRR Tolkien
The Ice Dragon: GRR Martin


Fill me up, Fark.

/yea, exactly like that


The Prydain Chronicles, Lloyd Alexander

/crunchings and munchings
 
2013-03-03 03:30:15 PM

leakybucket: Totally missing 'The Neverending Story'.  If you never read the book, do so before you pass it on to your kids.

(possible slight spoiler ahead)

The Empress in the story causes a crisis to get the young boy from earth to save them all - by inducing a recursive loop in the narrative; getting the 'scribe' of the Neverending story to read it out loud to her from the beginning.  Very cool looking back at it now (especially as I'm a pro programmer), but it strangely freaked me out as a kid.


'Never ending story' was not in TFA?! Well, then the author really doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
 
2013-03-03 03:33:09 PM

D Ray Morton: [smollin.com image 398x540]


Wow, nostalgia, man. That was a favorite of mine.
 
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