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2013-03-03 08:20:41 AM
"We already have the mechanisms in place to update the service on a quarterly basis." The quick updates should make subscribing to Office 365 more appealing to consumers

Yes, because that secretary that is quite happy with her 5 year old copy of Word 2007 will just love all those unnecessary 'improvements' you guys throw into each update. Especially when those updates break something that worked perfectly fine before.
 
2013-03-03 08:49:07 AM
Office 2003 FTW. I no longer have it, but it was the most intuitive of all the versions IMO.

Fark you, ribbon.
 
2013-03-03 09:58:31 AM
LOL

I sell MSFT Dynamics CRM (customization and implementation services), and the new Roll Up 12 for CRM 2011 has broken so much shiat.  It's interface looks like the new Office 2013.  We've got customers FREAKING THE FARK OUT because of how many changes there were.  The update has broken customized workflows, reporting features, etc.

Thank God I am not on the services side of things.
 
2013-03-03 10:09:09 AM
My primary job function is creating report architecture in Excel. Version 2007 may have been limited but it was infinitely more stable. Yes - I'm technically allowed to use 1 million lines but if I actually use it - Excel cannot handle it.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-03-03 10:20:30 AM
Dear Microsoft,

Stop treating your products like their puzzles designed to test the patience and sanity of your customers.  PLEASE, PLEASE,PLEASE look up the word productivity.

Signed,
A frustrated Office User
 
2013-03-03 11:06:39 AM
I think the top management at Microsoft is actually secretly working for Apple and is deliberately working to destroy MS from within. Windows 8 (a great OS ruined by a stupid and counterintuitive Metro interface), the new Word licence that you can only install it one one PC ever, ribbons on everything and now this?

The vast majority of people who use Word and Excel are office drones who barley know how to rename a file. They have been trained like performing seals how to do certain tasks and that is what they do day after day.  Changing the interface, the location of buttons, the layout of menus etc will fark them up big time. To them "the internet" is "the big E on the screen" and trying to get them to understand that Firefox or, god help them, Chrome, can do the same thing is nigh on impossible unless you use the IE icon and just edit the destination to Firefox.
 
2013-03-03 11:07:06 AM
Microsoft, a company with thousands of programmers all trying to justify their jobs.
 
2013-03-03 12:36:27 PM

dickfreckle: Office 2003 FTW. I no longer have it, but it was the most intuitive of all the versions IMO.

Fark you, ribbon.


I'm still on Office 2003 and always will be.  Forever.  It works.
 
2013-03-03 12:40:50 PM
Microsoft sucks at designing UIs? Oh, come on. Bob was the best thing to ever happen to Windows!
 
2013-03-03 12:52:57 PM

cman: Microsoft sucks at designing UIs? Oh, come on. Bob was the best thing to ever happen to Windows!


cache.ohinternet.com


It looks like you're trying to create a UI. Would you like some help with that?
 
2013-03-03 01:03:10 PM
When you have an economy that's based both on continuous growth and yet promotes automation, what's left to do?
 
2013-03-03 01:04:22 PM
I'm convinced by the last few versions of Excel that Microsoft is just trolling now.
 
2013-03-03 01:07:14 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: When you have an economy that's based both on continuous growth and yet promotes automation, what's left to do?


Automate continuous growth?

Actually that sounds like a good idea.
 
2013-03-03 01:09:13 PM
I think microsoft have decided to adopt the business model used by flash and just update every week even if the code remains the same.

Either that or they know just how bad their programmers are and that they will NEED an update every 3 months for the life of the product just to keep the product barely running.
 
2013-03-03 01:12:51 PM
Great, now they'll make file types deliberately incompatible every few months instead of every few years. Progress. Yeah.
 
2013-03-03 01:15:42 PM
Hell, I was on office '97 until a windows update borked it. Then I downloaded open/Libraoffice. Now all is good. Ahhhh.
 
2013-03-03 01:24:28 PM
I've been using PCs for 25 years and I was blown away when I couldn't figure how to _print_ in when Word 2007 came out with the ribbon interface.  I honestly still don't know how to use it --- it seems to be constantly hiding the one option I'm looking for.

So now I just use OpenOffice -- which does everything I need and has a menu structure that at least comprehensible

/maybe i'm just getting old
 
2013-03-03 01:28:24 PM
Many of my law firm clients have applications (Time matters, PC law, Abacus, Amicus, needles) that integrate with MS office apps. If/when MS breaks that integration via a  service pack or new version, they go ballistic. MS just doesn't seem to care. go figure.
 
2013-03-03 01:34:38 PM
I do desktop support for a large insurance company. We recently upgraded everyone to Office 2007 and the overwhelming response besides Access databases and Excel spreadsheets breaking is:

i603.photobucket.com

In response to the ribbon.

/first thing I did in Win 7 is re-enable drop down menus
//wishes Office 2007 would do that
///I'm old, get off my lawn
 
2013-03-03 01:36:21 PM
One note i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-03 01:38:05 PM
And to add:

"The faster updates will appeal to consumers, especially since most consumers want quick, and rapid updates to their products, whether its their smartphones, tablets, software, and more. "

No, no, no. What is appealing in software like this is bug and stability fixes, not a revamped UI and new "features" that break things.
 
2013-03-03 01:46:00 PM

dready zim: Quantum Apostrophe: When you have an economy that's based both on continuous growth and yet promotes automation, what's left to do?

Automate continuous growth?

Actually that sounds like a good idea.


And yet we still work 40 hours a week, often both people in a couple need to. They didn't 40 years ago. Why is this? Either we're all so productive but someone is stealing it, or we're not producing anything of value.
 
2013-03-03 01:55:11 PM

jdawg3k: I've been using PCs for 25 years and I was blown away when I couldn't figure how to _print_ in when Word 2007 came out with the ribbon interface.  I honestly still don't know how to use it --- it seems to be constantly hiding the one option I'm looking for.

So now I just use OpenOffice -- which does everything I need and has a menu structure that at least comprehensible

/maybe i'm just getting old


CTRL+P

As long as Microsoft keeps the keyboard shortcuts from changing too much, I don't have a major problem using new interfaces.
 
2013-03-03 02:03:27 PM
It's been my experience that every time a company claims they're moving to a regular update schedule, it fails to materialize. These execs don't understand that improvements and creativity don't happen on a schedule.
 
2013-03-03 02:04:37 PM

jdawg3k: I've been using PCs for 25 years and I was blown away when I couldn't figure how to _print_ in when Word 2007 came out with the ribbon interface.  I honestly still don't know how to use it --- it seems to be constantly hiding the one option I'm looking for.

So now I just use OpenOffice -- which does everything I need and has a menu structure that at least comprehensible

/maybe i'm just getting old


I did the exact same thing.  Except I also did it to my boss, the secretary, and both of my parent's computers because I got tired of having to go help THEM find the print command every half hour.

It was much simpler to remove MS, install open, and rename the shortcuts from 'openoffice writer' and 'openoffice calc' to 'word' and 'excel'.
I don't think my boss ever caught on that it's a different program.

Microsoft Word originally came out in 1983.  If they haven't figured out some bell or whistle to put in it yet it's because it doesn't belong in there.
 
2013-03-03 02:13:12 PM

Endive Wombat: LOL

I sell MSFT Dynamics CRM


You should feel bad about yourself and the shame you bring upon your family.

/Dynamics customer
 
2013-03-03 02:15:51 PM

Kiler: I do desktop support for a large insurance company. We recently upgraded everyone to Office 2007 and the overwhelming response besides Access databases and Excel spreadsheets breaking is:

[i603.photobucket.com image 306x227]

In response to the ribbon.

/first thing I did in Win 7 is re-enable drop down menus
//wishes Office 2007 would do that
///I'm old, get off my lawn


2007 is to Office what Vista is to Windows.
 
2013-03-03 02:17:09 PM
The first step in software design is to talk to stakeholders to see what they require in the program. Microsoft has forgotten that its customers are its most important stakeholders, and they should be listening to what they want rather than deciding what is good for them.
 
2013-03-03 02:17:13 PM

jdawg3k: I've been using PCs for 25 years and I was blown away when I couldn't figure how to _print_ in when Word 2007 came out with the ribbon interface.  I honestly still don't know how to use it --- it seems to be constantly hiding the one option I'm looking for.

So now I just use OpenOffice -- which does everything I need and has a menu structure that at least comprehensible

/maybe i'm just getting old


<CTRL><P>
 
2013-03-03 02:20:28 PM

GardenWeasel: jdawg3k: I've been using PCs for 25 years and I was blown away when I couldn't figure how to _print_ in when Word 2007 came out with the ribbon interface.  I honestly still don't know how to use it --- it seems to be constantly hiding the one option I'm looking for.

So now I just use OpenOffice -- which does everything I need and has a menu structure that at least comprehensible

/maybe i'm just getting old

<CTRL><P>


PSA: When you get old it sometimes becomes difficult to <CTRL><P>.
 
2013-03-03 02:25:44 PM

jdawg3k: I've been using PCs for 25 years and I was blown away when I couldn't figure how to _print_ in when Word 2007 came out with the ribbon interface.  I honestly still don't know how to use it --- it seems to be constantly hiding the one option I'm looking for.

So now I just use OpenOffice -- which does everything I need and has a menu structure that at least comprehensible

/maybe i'm just getting old


old and stupid, yes.

ctrl-p still works for example
 
2013-03-03 02:27:26 PM
oops, did not read all comments.

But man am I tired of all the whining about office etc, how hard is it to learn something new? And the number of people who equate new with bad is scary.
 
2013-03-03 02:29:37 PM

NFA: Dear Microsoft,

Stop treating your products like their puzzles designed to test the patience and sanity of your customers.


But, according to the Start Trek Technical Manual, constantly changing the interface makes users more productive because they identify controls by recognizing them instead of just learning their positions by rote.
 
2013-03-03 02:35:09 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: dready zim: Quantum Apostrophe: When you have an economy that's based both on continuous growth and yet promotes automation, what's left to do?

Automate continuous growth?

Actually that sounds like a good idea.

And yet we still work 40 hours a week, often both people in a couple need to. They didn't 40 years ago. Why is this? Either we're all so productive but someone is stealing it, or we're not producing anything of value.


Why not both?

I'm an electronics hardware engineer.  I used to create products that went to production with version B or C.  Now I create paperwork trying to get offshored teams to create products that might work at version L.  With no benefits (COBRA$ ftl::COBRA existing ftw), no holidays, no sick days.
 
2013-03-03 02:42:13 PM

rekraFlatoT: oops, did not read all comments.

But man am I tired of all the whining about office etc, how hard is it to learn something new? And the number of people who equate new with bad is scary.


New is not necessarily bad or scary.  But it should be an improvement.  What was the plus side to office doing away with drop down menus?
 
2013-03-03 03:05:44 PM

rekraFlatoT: oops, did not read all comments.

But man am I tired of all the whining about office etc, how hard is it to learn something new? And the number of people who equate new with bad is scary.


Switch the gas and brake pedals of your car. That's ok, right? Aren't you smart enough to deal with the change?
 
2013-03-03 03:07:47 PM

rekraFlatoT: oops, did not read all comments.

But man am I tired of all the whining about office etc, how hard is it to learn something new? And the number of people who equate new with bad is scary.


My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.
 
kab
2013-03-03 03:18:21 PM

rekraFlatoT: oops, did not read all comments.

But man am I tired of all the whining about office etc, how hard is it to learn something new? And the number of people who equate new with bad is scary.


Your first mistake is assuming that all changes in software are actually improvements.
 
2013-03-03 03:41:35 PM

dready zim: Quantum Apostrophe: When you have an economy that's based both on continuous growth and yet promotes automation, what's left to do?

Automate continuous growth?

Actually that sounds like a good idea.


You just blew my frickin' mind. Hopefully I will recover in time to focus on Sunday night cartoons.
 
2013-03-03 03:49:19 PM
While the ribbon requires a change of thinking at first, at the end of the day it makes more functions and features discoverable more easily and organizes everything better.
 
2013-03-03 04:02:31 PM
Dear Microsoft....

As a software developer who has worked exclusively with .Net - please stop screwing things up.  Visio 2013 is a pile of crap.  IE 10 is even worse.  Worse than a pile of crap.  On my work machine I can't even install it.  Seriously stop and think about that.  I can install FireFox, I can install Chrome, I can install Opera, I can even install Safari.....but I can't install IE 10.  On my home machine it does install but it fails to load all of the examples on MICROSOFT'S IE 10 page (http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/)!!!!!

I can load EVERY single one of those in Chrome.  Every single one.  And they work.
In IE 10 - I can't.

And IE 10 breaks sites that rendered correctly in IE6-9 with it's "new and improved" scroll bars....

Windows 8 'Metro' won't run on virtually any of the three netbooks I own because they only have 600 vertical pixels.

Office 365 is going to be a subscription model.  I was just thinking to myself, 'Hey - wouldn't it be cool to pay for office every month?  Well, now I can!'  Sweeet.  Now, I haven't personally used Office 365, but the reviews are pretty bad.  Even the 'good' ones focus on functionality that can be achieved with Office 2013 and free DropBox (or similar) account.

It seems like it's been a long time since Microsoft had a big win.
 
2013-03-03 04:19:57 PM

rekraFlatoT: oops, did not read all comments.

But man am I tired of all the whining about office etc, how hard is it to learn something new? And the number of people who equate new with bad is scary.


Yeah, I'm not interested in filling the tea cup with Balmer leaves.  The word processor was solved decades ago.
 
2013-03-03 04:25:21 PM

Karac: rekraFlatoT: oops, did not read all comments.

But man am I tired of all the whining about office etc, how hard is it to learn something new? And the number of people who equate new with bad is scary.

New is not necessarily bad or scary.  But it should be an improvement.  What was the plus side to office doing away with drop down menus?


There was none. The benefit of contextual menus with easy to understand graphical clues rather than wading through or memorizing text based menus and clicking on random crap hoping it would do what you wanted was all just a horrible nightmare. Now go back to sleep.
 
2013-03-03 04:36:40 PM
I'm a writer. I stick with my copy of Word 2007, primarily. Sometimes I'll write on Pages (iPod) or various Word-like apps on Android, but Word 2007 is where I live when it's time to format and really work.

I refuse to get anything after 2007, simply because MS keeps f♥cking with the interface and I don't want to stop the flow of writing to tweak settings.

Sometimes, I think about going back to a typewriter, then scanning pages into my OCR software. The typewriter was so straightforward. I kind of miss it.

Anyway, MS will get more money from me for Word when they stop mucking with the way it's laid out.

/Has no use for the rest of Office.
//Absolute HATES that idiot's crutch, PowerPoint.
///If you need PowerPoint to make your point, you suck at communication.
 
2013-03-03 04:48:07 PM
I prefer the ribbon style word.  I think everybody who complained about it (and continues to) just doesn't want to put in any effort at all to learn a new and superior UI.

The ribbon gives me access to more things in less click and with less submenus.  It took me a day to figure out where everything I use normally is, and finding new functions is 150% easier.

I still won't pay for a subscription to Office 365, though.  That's dumb.
 
2013-03-03 05:15:06 PM

Bontesla: My primary job function is creating report architecture in Excel. Version 2007 may have been limited but it was infinitely more stable. Yes - I'm technically allowed to use 1 million lines but if I actually use it - Excel cannot handle it.


Use a database to store, Excel to extract and report.
I've done the same with a billion row Oracle db.
 
2013-03-03 05:25:46 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: One note [i.imgur.com image 768x1280]


Unless his dick had a colorful candy shell, it most certainly would have melted in the devil's hand.

/I can almost accept the ribbon except for the fact that buttons move around on it as you resize the window (like when you have multiple documents open next to each other)
//same goes with he right click menu.  Sometimes it is up, sometimes it is down, sometimes it is left, sometimes it is right.  How is it faster if I don't know where the menu is going to appear?
 
2013-03-03 05:29:14 PM
How much of this is senseless changes, and how much of this is responding to the idiotic XML patent lawsuit a few years ago? I know they had to change a lot of how their code works to "accomodate" that debacle..

//software patents do nothing but reduce competition in most cases..utterly ridiculous.
 
2013-03-03 05:41:25 PM
You know, OpenOffice is pretty good.  And pretty compatible.  And free.
Sadly, there's nobody to sue, so corporate IT departments won't go for it.
 
Slu
2013-03-03 05:50:50 PM
I like the Ribbon better than drop down menus.
 
2013-03-03 06:09:48 PM

dionysusaur: You know, OpenOffice is pretty good.  And pretty compatible.  And free.
Sadly, there's nobody to sue, so corporate IT departments won't go for it.


OpenOffice Calc is a steaming pile of shiat for working with large spreadsheets. It takes ages to load them, then out seizes up whenever you try to do anything with them.

Yet the interface is similar to Office 2003, which is much better than farking Ribbon, so... I use it whenever feasible.
 
2013-03-03 06:26:51 PM

elchip: OpenOffice Calc is a steaming pile of shiat for working with large spreadsheets. It takes ages to load them, then out seizes up whenever you try to do anything with them.


Get a computer from the 2000s. If you're going to run ancient hardware, I hear 1-2-3 is a pretty decent program.
 
2013-03-03 06:39:23 PM

Big Merl: I'm convinced by the last few versions of Excel that Microsoft is just trolling now.


Trying being a Visio user.

/correction: ex-user
//seriously what is Visio 2013 trying to be?
 
2013-03-03 06:46:15 PM

dionysusaur: You know, OpenOffice is pretty good.  And pretty compatible.  And free.
Sadly, there's nobody to sue, so corporate IT departments won't go for it.


Every year I try to use OpenOffice.  And every year I stop using it after the first crash.  Which was after about 35 minutes a few months ago.  These days I've stopped using MS Word (Windows and Mac) and I generally use a simple text editor or -hell- pages to write papers these days.  People are waking up to the fact they don't need the bloated beast that is MS Office or OpenOffice.  Simple and stable is better.

/corporate IT departments want stability and predictability
 
2013-03-03 07:27:01 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: dready zim: Quantum Apostrophe: When you have an economy that's based both on continuous growth and yet promotes automation, what's left to do?

Automate continuous growth?

Actually that sounds like a good idea.

And yet we still work 40 hours a week, often both people in a couple need to. They didn't 40 years ago. Why is this? Either we're all so productive but someone is stealing it, or we're not producing anything of value.


can`t it be both?
 
2013-03-03 07:40:24 PM

dready zim: Quantum Apostrophe: dready zim: Quantum Apostrophe: When you have an economy that's based both on continuous growth and yet promotes automation, what's left to do?

Automate continuous growth?

Actually that sounds like a good idea.

And yet we still work 40 hours a week, often both people in a couple need to. They didn't 40 years ago. Why is this? Either we're all so productive but someone is stealing it, or we're not producing anything of value.

can`t it be both?


It probably is...
 
2013-03-03 07:41:31 PM

dionysusaur: Quantum Apostrophe: dready zim: Quantum Apostrophe: When you have an economy that's based both on continuous growth and yet promotes automation, what's left to do?

Automate continuous growth?

Actually that sounds like a good idea.

And yet we still work 40 hours a week, often both people in a couple need to. They didn't 40 years ago. Why is this? Either we're all so productive but someone is stealing it, or we're not producing anything of value.

Why not both?

I'm an electronics hardware engineer.  I used to create products that went to production with version B or C.  Now I create paperwork trying to get offshored teams to create products that might work at version L.  With no benefits (COBRA$ ftl::COBRA existing ftw), no holidays, no sick days.


ah, sorry didn`t read all the posts beforehand.
 
2013-03-03 08:04:35 PM
As a person who only uses the operating system but not any of the products, what the fark is this ribbon thing everybody keeps vomiting about? Everybody!
 
2013-03-03 08:07:20 PM

Bob Down: As a person who only uses the operating system but not any of the products, what the fark is this ribbon thing everybody keeps vomiting about? Everybody!


Never mind. I found a wikipedia article dedicated to it.
 
2013-03-03 08:11:35 PM
dready zim: ah, sorry didn`t read all the posts beforehand.

Welcome to Fark :)
 
2013-03-03 09:05:42 PM
Does Microsoft make a product called "Office 360"?
 
2013-03-03 09:05:58 PM
It's 365, Subby.
 
2013-03-03 09:21:53 PM

gingerjet: dionysusaur: You know, OpenOffice is pretty good.  And pretty compatible.  And free.
Sadly, there's nobody to sue, so corporate IT departments won't go for it.

Every year I try to use OpenOffice.  And every year I stop using it after the first crash.  Which was after about 35 minutes a few months ago.  These days I've stopped using MS Word (Windows and Mac) and I generally use a simple text editor or -hell- pages to write papers these days.  People are waking up to the fact they don't need the bloated beast that is MS Office or OpenOffice.  Simple and stable is better.

/corporate IT departments want stability and predictability


You've crashed OpenOffice? How? I'm curious - I've been using it for five or six years, on both Windows and Linux platforms, and have never managed that.
 
2013-03-03 09:40:48 PM
Microsoft is right now shopping around a whole presentation about how "learning is good" and "Even users who cannot complete a task the first time appreciate it when they finally succeed".

It's called 'Why WIndows Blue'

/This is a REAL THING
//The core message of Windows 8 is "Drag things from off the screen"
 
2013-03-03 09:45:05 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: And yet we still work 40 hours a week, often both people in a couple need to. They didn't 40 years ago. Why is this? Either we're all so productive but someone is stealing it, or we're not producing anything of value.


Inflation combined with the new way inflation is measured1 combined with increases in wages that do not match the actual inflation.

Number 1 is bad, number 2 makes it worse, and number 3 is the kick while you are down.

What we need is a nice bit of deflation. Sure, your debt will increase in absolute value (you can buy more with the money than when you started the debt) but inflation farks the debt provider, his money was worth more before he went and lend it to someone. Inflation and deflation depending on the actual market would balance each other out and the interest rate on the debt wouldn't need to be half as high to get a profit on the debt.

Fun facts:

Central Bureau for Statistics

Dutch          -     English
Aardappelen    -     Potatoes
Bier           -     Beer
Brood          -     Bread
Hamlappen      -     Ham
Kaas           -     Cheese
Kippeneieren   -     Chicken eggs
Koffie         -     Coffee
Margarine      -     Margarine
Melk           -     milk
Riblappen      -     Beef (cur from rib)
Rijst          -     rice
Roomboter      -     butter
Suiker         -     sugar
Thee           -     tea

Prices for 3 products since the 100s in Euro. Let's focus on the important items. Beer, per litre. Ham, per kilo. Beef (from the ribs), also per kilo. Just look at the prices, per unit the prices fluctuate a bit but they never get too high or too low. Now we get to to 20th century. We get central banks which have as task to keep inflation low (and even prevent deflation). Did the actual wages increase by 14000% (beer) or 2500% (ham) or 3100% (beef) since 1800? Unfortunatly I can't find the wages of a 1800s person so we'll look at the 2000 - 2011 period. Looking at the total private, multiple person household incomes we notice that betw een 2000 and 2011 there was an increase in income  from 4542 to 4737, or 4.3%. Now we look at the price of the products again.

Item           -         percentage price change
Potatoes                 31,75
Beer                     19,66
Bread                    0,00
Ham                      7,21
Cheese                   32,67
Chicken eggs             14,29
Coffee                   32,47
Margarine                23,62
Milk                     31,37
Beef                     -0,92
Rice                     -17,45
Butter                   6,42
Sugar                    -10,23
Tea                      1,28


An average price increase of 12%, with high demand items as coffee, potatoes, meat and eggs seeing the largest increases. Yay, inflation was kept low... yet still you have less and less money. Also debt, debt isn't helping either. People who'd get by are now pushed to poverty by the interest payments.


1)instead of getting the price of the product you get the price of a product that would substitute the first product. So the steak you used to buy is getting expensive so they factor out the steak and input a hamburger. That way your food spending remains the same and no inflation happened. Also: taxes often aren't included in the inflation figure. So increase taxes, reduce spending money yet no inflation happened.
 
2013-03-03 09:52:58 PM

nytmare: It's been my experience that every time a company claims they're moving to a regular update schedule, it fails to materialize. These execs don't understand that improvements and creativity don't happen on a schedule.


Not only that, but just how much is there to improve? These types of programs are among the oldest in existence and have probably been used more than anything else, my hunch is that they're plenty refined by now.
 
2013-03-03 11:24:30 PM

pyrotek85: nytmare: It's been my experience that every time a company claims they're moving to a regular update schedule, it fails to materialize. These execs don't understand that improvements and creativity don't happen on a schedule.

Not only that, but just how much is there to improve? These types of programs are among the oldest in existence and have probably been used more than anything else, my hunch is that they're plenty refined by now.


Microsoft is basically trying to edge Office into a world where people work on the go. Skydrive integration is pretty extensive in 2013 and documents can be edited pretty thoroughly on Windows Phone devices.

If people don't feel like they need it, fine, but this idea that Microsoft is just doing this to gouge you at this point is a little absurd. The subscription model isn't a bad idea, either.
 
2013-03-03 11:40:35 PM

Dinki: "We already have the mechanisms in place to update the service on a quarterly basis." The quick updates should make subscribing to Office 365 more appealing to consumers

Yes, because that secretary that is quite happy with her 5 year old copy of Word 2007 will just love all those unnecessary 'improvements' you guys throw into each update. Especially when those updates break something that worked perfectly fine before.



I usually hate it when people say "THIS"...but pretty much THIS.
 
2013-03-03 11:41:31 PM

dickfreckle: Office 2003 FTW. I no longer have it, but it was the most intuitive of all the versions IMO.

Fark you, ribbon.



Dude I still hate the ribbon.  I love the right-click menu though.
 
2013-03-04 12:11:48 AM
When will they make an Office for Mac that doesn't suck?
 
2013-03-04 02:56:06 AM
M$ has a lot of middle management that has to justify their pay checks.  I don't really mind ribbons in Office.  However, how much more tweaking does that interface need.  Whoopee, it connects to skydrive...
 
2013-03-04 03:01:42 AM

Endive Wombat: LOL

I sell MSFT Dynamics CRM (customization and implementation services), and the new Roll Up 12 for CRM 2011 has broken so much shiat.  It's interface looks like the new Office 2013.  We've got customers FREAKING THE FARK OUT because of how many changes there were.  The update has broken customized workflows, reporting features, etc.

Thank God I am not on the services side of things.


This, it has made my job a LIVING HELL for the last 6 weeks.... fark MS and fark EVERYTHING YOU DO....currently have a copy of the office 2010 installer on a usb stick locked in a firesafe...the thought of the MD having to learn MORE interface, is just mindbogglingly scary.
 
2013-03-04 03:26:12 AM
I think  subby was making a joke.  Office 360:   Because whenever you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away.
 
2013-03-04 04:49:47 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: When will they make an Office for Mac that doesn't suck?


If we are going to be honest with one another, I think we both know the answer to that question.
 
2013-03-04 05:01:38 AM

jso2897: AverageAmericanGuy: When will they make an Office for Mac that doesn't suck?

If we are going to be honest with one another, I think we both know the answer to that question.


Yet weirdly...I much  prefer using Office on the mac than on the PC...hell, once we install the e-mail router into Dynamics I'm never going to open Win 7 again, other than for support calls.
 
2013-03-04 05:09:39 AM

moel: jso2897: AverageAmericanGuy: When will they make an Office for Mac that doesn't suck?

If we are going to be honest with one another, I think we both know the answer to that question.

Yet weirdly...I much  prefer using Office on the mac than on the PC...hell, once we install the e-mail router into Dynamics I'm never going to open Win 7 again, other than for support calls.


I can live with the clusterfarks that Word, Excel, and PowerPoint are on Mac, but how did they screw up Outlook so badly?
 
2013-03-04 05:56:58 AM

Flint Ironstag: I think the top management at Microsoft is actually secretly working for Apple and is deliberately working to destroy MS from within. Windows 8 (a great OS ruined by a stupid and counterintuitive Metro interface), the new Word licence that you can only install it one one PC ever, ribbons on everything and now this?

The vast majority of people who use Word and Excel are office drones who barley know how to rename a file. They have been trained like performing seals how to do certain tasks and that is what they do day after day.  Changing the interface, the location of buttons, the layout of menus etc will fark them up big time. To them "the internet" is "the big E on the screen" and trying to get them to understand that Firefox or, god help them, Chrome, can do the same thing is nigh on impossible unless you use the IE icon and just edit the destination to Firefox.


This so much.  My current position is with tech support.  I had someone that changed the default wifi info on a new router they just got from us.  They did not know what a browser was or what I meant by the icon they click on to open the internet.  I shipped them off to a paid service because I doubt they would have been able to handle inputting an ip address and going through some simple screens.  I also am convinced that they have pressed the WPS button whenever their is a problem because they think it is the Easy Button.

While the ribbon requires a change of thinking at first, at the end of the day it makes more functions and features discoverable more easily and organizes everything better.

Only if people put in the time and effort to deal with the ribbons.  The only reason msft put the ribbons on every product is so that they looked updated and modern.  Having the same drop down functionality since before Clinton smoked special scented cigars is not a bad thing to have in a product.  If the UI works, don't break it.  If you want to add some more functionality, add on top of it.
 
2013-03-04 08:06:05 AM

rekraFlatoT: oops, did not read all comments.

But man am I tired of all the whining about office etc, how hard is it to learn something new? And the number of people who equate new with bad is scary.


Ahh someone who's never worked a day in their lives telling people to get over it.  Welcome to the internet, smells like pre-pubescent children.

If you arbitrarily change something I need to earn a living for the single reason of 'to be hip and happening', I will be pissed at YOU for changing it.  Especially when your hip & happening changes break my workflow and indeed the logical placement of controls for the software I'm using.

Once your an adult and working for a living you'll understand that.  Until then STFU.
 
2013-03-04 09:40:45 AM

GardenWeasel: Endive Wombat: LOL

I sell MSFT Dynamics CRM

You should feel bad about yourself and the shame you bring upon your family.

/Dynamics customer


Out of curiosity, why the hate on Dynamics?
 
2013-03-04 10:01:21 AM
I'd like to field that question if I may. We swapped antiquated Goldmine for Dynamics....It's literally been a clusterfark from beginning to end....it misses out so many basic features and what there is is so inconsistent...For example, any business has a variety of tasks to keep track of clients, phone calls, faxes, emails etc etc...so it should be simple to create a workflow that fills in a field that tells me when a contact was last contacted.....so I can drive another workflow that alerts me to who isn't being contacted....Small problem, MS don't implement dates for emails but they do for everything else so it's impossible to do.The outlook email tracking is haphazard at best, and completely useless at worst.The new Polaris update is totally unconfigurable,doesn't display all the activities, generates unfixable script errors that even MS can't solve (we aren't running any scripts whatsoever) when viewing certain contacts in outlookOh and it keeps expanding and from 80% storage plus it emails you every night to pester you to buy more storage...to EVERY adminIf I think of anything more ill be back.
 
2013-03-04 10:02:36 AM
Hmm may have accidentally pushed raw HTML there by mistake
 
2013-03-04 10:49:00 AM

ColdFusion: I think  subby was making a joke.  Office 360:   Because whenever you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away.


If you turn 360 degrees, you'd be walking towards it
 
2013-03-04 11:14:50 AM
Oh one more thing the support desk...
Microsoft in their wisdom are merging 365 and Dynamics...
Small problem, no ones actually BOTHERED to tell either team. For instance for some reason even though I'm included in the email, largely when I'm CC'd in, I don't get the email in my inbox/on my phone..but it DOES appear in unread mail.
O365 say its dynamics doing it, dynamics say its o365. But how the fark can I have trust in Microsoft when they can't even get an email to me!!!!
It's pathetic, the systems don't integrate and yet they persist...which brings me to the Polaris update again. MS rolled it out to on premise, realised it broke a LOT of stuff...so pulled it from the download centre.

Now this is where i start to get really farked off....they then rolled it out to the cloud version...BEFORE they had fixed it. What sort of farking company does that? Especially in a version that has NO ABILITY TO ROLLBACK THE UPDATE...

That's the reason for the Dynamics hate...
 
2013-03-04 11:37:14 AM

SuperChuck: ColdFusion: I think  subby was making a joke.  Office 360:   Because whenever you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away.

If you turn 360 degrees, you'd be walking towards it


Well, I'll fix you. I'll turn 720 degrees.

/methinks you did not clicky the linky.
 
2013-03-05 01:43:03 AM
They can stick Office 360 up their arses is what they can do.
 
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2013-03-06 06:38:14 PM
They call it 365 because it keeps the customer spinning in circles.


IT Tech:  My job is to learn OS's and applicants to help others.


Office Worker: My job is to create a productive product my company can sell. Learning the IT Tech's job, the OS and applications is a collateral.  A collateral  duty made much worse because the lazy IT folks who think that all I have to do is learn their job.  Then there are the productivity killers like Microsoft cultivate the market by constantly changing the interface of their products.

IT Tech:  But those changes give us job security!
 
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