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(Daily Mail)   Florida girl who flipped the bird to a judge gets applause in court after finishing prison term. Next up: agent, book tour, reality show   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 31
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2013-03-03 09:56:16 AM  
5 votes:
So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....
2013-03-03 12:19:21 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.


Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.

Yes - but when dealing with people in authority, one should always remember that these traits are foremost.  They are not there for the public good, or to do the right thing, no matter what they said during their campaign or what their official bio says.  They are there to feel powerful, and they'll royally fark anyone who doesn't kiss their ass sufficiently.  Remember this, and act accordingly.


Or just treat people in general with respect, that way you don't have to remember to abruptly change your behavior for an authority figure. I guarantee the judge in this case wasn't the first person to be confronted with this rude biatch's attitude but he may have been the first who could do something about it.
2013-03-03 10:58:49 AM  
2 votes:
Everyone makes mistakes, but even at 18 I were brought before the judge I would have been pretty freaked out and been all yes sir and no sirs.

As for the excuse that she was drunk and pilled up in court, I doubt it.  I doubt she was arrested and right away brought before the judge.  She had at least a night in jail to sleep it off.  Unless she had an alcohol soaked tampon stuffed in the darkest nethers of her anus and along with some slow melting xanax next to it.

Also it is typical of the latino/catholic culture to repent today and be forgiven, and continue to keep farking up manana.

Call me when she is graduating from college, or when she stops peddling her ass on Collins Ave.
2013-03-03 10:38:02 AM  
2 votes:
So basically the judge had her bathed and brought to his chambers
2013-03-03 10:23:03 AM  
2 votes:
She learned that cynicism is the key to avoid punishment, and that the US judicial system is a sham that values cheap cynical displays of atonement instead of actually upholding justice and rehabilitating criminals.
2013-03-03 10:06:34 AM  
2 votes:

Englebert Slaptyback: The judge seemed thoroughly impressed with her transformation after learning that Soto had passed all of her drug tests and is regularly attending narcotics anonymous meetings.


I'm sure she's a COMPLETELY different person now. *eyeroll*

And the judge set the bar pretty damn low for being "thoroughly impressed".


Eh.. She's a kid. We were all assholes at that age.. Not necessarily to a judges face but most of us figured out ways to do illegal activity and not get caught.  Some.. Not so much
2013-03-03 06:29:15 PM  
1 votes:

ReverendJynxed: Didn't the supremes say it was a protected form of expression? Or does it only apply to cops and below?

Good girl, now sue the crap out of him for violating your rights to free speech with prison time.


The issue isn't that she swore at and flipped off a judge, it's that she did so in court.  If she had sworn at and flipped off the bailiff, prosecutor, defense attorney, another defendant, or some random person in the gallery she could have been just as guilty of contempt as if her response was directed at the judge.

Basically, just don't raise a ruckus or disrupt the proceedings in an illegitimate way when you're in a courtroom.
2013-03-03 03:09:07 PM  
1 votes:

Benjamin Orr: Kinan: Sigh. Ask your mom about contempt of court.

Sigh. Derp derp derp.

Think for a seond and ask yourself if contempt of court should be punishable by instant jail time with no jury.


Yes it should
What's your next question?
2013-03-03 02:53:32 PM  
1 votes:

Benjamin Orr: So many facists in this thread.


(Reaches down, pinches cheek)

Ooooh, you are so cute!

/fascist
2013-03-03 02:39:05 PM  
1 votes:
So many facists in this thread.
2013-03-03 02:17:16 PM  
1 votes:
She's pretty.
2013-03-03 01:28:09 PM  
1 votes:

Veramar: styckx: Eh.. She's a kid. We were all assholes at that age..

A kid? She's 18 years old and supposedly an adult.


Yeah, because the exact day that you turn 18, you magically transform into an instant adult. In reality, 'kid' applies until kids are about 25, and in the case of my brother in law, it looks like it's gonna be more like 40...
2013-03-03 01:03:06 PM  
1 votes:
This isn't about caving in to authority, it's about demonstrating that you're not the center of the universe, i.e. a rude, selfish coont.

Being respectful before a judge is a good indicator of having this capicity. Looks to me she needed a reminder and the judge did a good job.
2013-03-03 12:06:51 PM  
1 votes:
I'm polite in court and get a foot up my 455... men with money and women with looks get over
2013-03-03 11:56:31 AM  
1 votes:

Vance Uppercut: The judge was a cock.  The only thing he offers the world is his authority.


which is more than what you apparently have
2013-03-03 11:23:42 AM  
1 votes:
The judge was a cock.  The only thing he offers the world is his authority.
2013-03-03 10:58:44 AM  
1 votes:
...waiting to see her first Brazzers or Bangbros video.

I'll use it a lot.
2013-03-03 10:50:00 AM  
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: lordjupiter: Bit'O'Gristle: dobro: So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.

/Yes, and excellent. She's not going to get far in life using/dealing drugs with a giant chip on her shoulder. It's not like we should support someone cleaning up their act and not acting like a filthy trash talking gutter rat.

Well, that's your opinion.  Real world experience shows that there are shiatloads of successful people in this world who abuse drugs and alcohol, and have ENORMOUS chips on their shoulders.  In fact, I'd say it almost seems like a requirement for many.

/Good point, but you must admit that for MOST of us who don't have millions of dollars, general civility and politeness have to be the norm unless you want to lose your job, and have constant strife with people due to your lack of general manners.



How do you know she didn't have those qualities in a work environment, as opposed to a court setting where her bond was being set beyond her means?  Or that playing the game in court has anything to do with cultivating those qualities?  How many totally mature 18 year olds are there, even ones who are "clean"?

A bit of an asshole streak is often a requirement for the pioneers and trendsetters in the world.  Running afoul of some people and finding your true calling may involve pissing some people off, and refusing to be tamed.  Otherwise, we'd all be enslaved by anyone who demanded we subjugate ourselves in the name of "manners".

This story is 99.9% about bowing down to judges, not just preparing one to either succeed or fail in life.  Whether or not it's a possible inconvenience to display such anti-authoritarianism to a judge is a separate question.
2013-03-03 10:48:26 AM  
1 votes:
fark the judge and fark stupid contempt of court sentences.
2013-03-03 10:45:40 AM  
1 votes:

SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....



Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.
2013-03-03 10:32:05 AM  
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: dobro: So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.

/Yes, and excellent. She's not going to get far in life using/dealing drugs with a giant chip on her shoulder. It's not like we should support someone cleaning up their act and not acting like a filthy trash talking gutter rat.


Well, that's your opinion.  Real world experience shows that there are shiatloads of successful people in this world who abuse drugs and alcohol, and have ENORMOUS chips on their shoulders.  In fact, I'd say it almost seems like a requirement for many.
2013-03-03 10:31:24 AM  
1 votes:

skinink: So you get applause because you are respectful in court after farking it up the first time? The applause should be saved for when she really turns herself around.



I think most of us know she hasn't turned her life around yet. I think most of us also know that there is a high likelihood she'll be back.

On the other side of it, good on her that she did apologize, took ownership of the actions and is working to get off the drugs. Did she do those things because she just wanted to get out of jail? Probably. That said, your complaint is really that she had applause because of her change in attitude?

Two questions:

1) At what point do we determine that she's turned her life around? Drug addiction is not something you can cure. She could be a successful professional with a stable marriage and two kids 20 years from now and back in prison 21 years from now.

2) Cheers, encouragement or compliments shouldn't be allowed through the process of change? Is there really any harm in cheering for someone for making a positive STEP in their lives? I think the sad thing is how many people who do actively try to change do not get the encouragement or positive reinforcement they need to stick with it. I know the applause isn't going to keep her off the drugs, but I don't see how it hurts either.

/good for her
//long recovery kid, don't think it's over, don't EVER think it's over
2013-03-03 10:30:00 AM  
1 votes:

Veramar: styckx: Eh.. She's a kid. We were all assholes at that age..

A kid? She's 18 years old and supposedly an adult.


I was pretty lame, I wasn't a druggie when I was 18.
2013-03-03 10:16:26 AM  
1 votes:

No Time To Explain: bighairyguy: dobro: So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.

More like another druggie learning how to play the system. I suspect we'll hear from her again.

/I'd like to be proven wrong though

Could be worse, could be like the white collars who abuse the system and get no punishment

/steal millions/billions, caught written hookers and blow, get not even a also on the wrist
//be average Joe with not even enough pot for the night, life behind bars


I think we found the person who took all of her leftover drugs...AT ONCE.
2013-03-03 10:13:55 AM  
1 votes:

styckx: Eh.. She's a kid. We were all assholes at that age..


A kid? She's 18 years old and supposedly an adult.
2013-03-03 10:13:34 AM  
1 votes:
So you get applause because you are respectful in court after farking it up the first time? The applause should be saved for when she really turns herself around.
2013-03-03 10:04:23 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-03-03 09:57:53 AM  
1 votes:
I kinda like this girl she seems like she'd be fun.  I do want to get her sobered up before we have to talk to authority figures though.
2013-03-03 09:56:12 AM  
1 votes:
Hopefully this includes a term of probation long enough to determine if it's false sincerity to get out of charges or if she realizes she needs to change her life around.
2013-03-03 09:53:49 AM  
1 votes:
Crunchy latin hair = prim?
2013-03-03 05:29:01 AM  
1 votes:
Disappointing.. thought at first she got applause because the judge deserved it or something.
 
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