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2013-03-03 05:29:01 AM
Disappointing.. thought at first she got applause because the judge deserved it or something.
 
2013-03-03 08:45:16 AM
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2013-03-03 09:53:49 AM
Crunchy latin hair = prim?
 
2013-03-03 09:54:12 AM
So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.
 
2013-03-03 09:56:12 AM
Hopefully this includes a term of probation long enough to determine if it's false sincerity to get out of charges or if she realizes she needs to change her life around.
 
2013-03-03 09:56:16 AM
So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....
 
2013-03-03 09:56:36 AM

The judge seemed thoroughly impressed with her transformation after learning that Soto had passed all of her drug tests and is regularly attending narcotics anonymous meetings.


I'm sure she's a COMPLETELY different person now. *eyeroll*

And the judge set the bar pretty damn low for being "thoroughly impressed".
 
2013-03-03 09:57:53 AM
I kinda like this girl she seems like she'd be fun.  I do want to get her sobered up before we have to talk to authority figures though.
 
2013-03-03 10:04:23 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-03 10:06:34 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: The judge seemed thoroughly impressed with her transformation after learning that Soto had passed all of her drug tests and is regularly attending narcotics anonymous meetings.


I'm sure she's a COMPLETELY different person now. *eyeroll*

And the judge set the bar pretty damn low for being "thoroughly impressed".


Eh.. She's a kid. We were all assholes at that age.. Not necessarily to a judges face but most of us figured out ways to do illegal activity and not get caught.  Some.. Not so much
 
2013-03-03 10:06:42 AM

dobro: So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.


More like another druggie learning how to play the system. I suspect we'll hear from her again.

/I'd like to be proven wrong though
 
2013-03-03 10:09:44 AM
I don't know the extent of her presumed drug problem (Xanax??), but nobody with a serious addiction is completely cured in one month.  The applause was not for some miracle recovery.  The applause was because her spirit was visibly and superficially broken by an authoritarian court system that set her bond at an amount beyond her means, due to her lack of taking the first judge "seriously" enough.
 
2013-03-03 10:10:05 AM

bighairyguy: dobro: So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.

More like another druggie learning how to play the system. I suspect we'll hear from her again.

/I'd like to be proven wrong though


Could be worse, could be like the white collars who abuse the system and get no punishment

/steal millions/billions, caught written hookers and blow, get not even a also on the wrist
//be average Joe with not even enough pot for the night, life behind bars
 
2013-03-03 10:10:12 AM
I'd hit it.
 
2013-03-03 10:13:34 AM
So you get applause because you are respectful in court after farking it up the first time? The applause should be saved for when she really turns herself around.
 
2013-03-03 10:13:55 AM

styckx: Eh.. She's a kid. We were all assholes at that age..


A kid? She's 18 years old and supposedly an adult.
 
2013-03-03 10:16:26 AM

No Time To Explain: bighairyguy: dobro: So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.

More like another druggie learning how to play the system. I suspect we'll hear from her again.

/I'd like to be proven wrong though

Could be worse, could be like the white collars who abuse the system and get no punishment

/steal millions/billions, caught written hookers and blow, get not even a also on the wrist
//be average Joe with not even enough pot for the night, life behind bars


I think we found the person who took all of her leftover drugs...AT ONCE.
 
2013-03-03 10:23:03 AM
She learned that cynicism is the key to avoid punishment, and that the US judicial system is a sham that values cheap cynical displays of atonement instead of actually upholding justice and rehabilitating criminals.
 
2013-03-03 10:26:09 AM

dobro: So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.


/Yes, and excellent. She's not going to get far in life using/dealing drugs with a giant chip on her shoulder. It's not like we should support someone cleaning up their act and not acting like a filthy trash talking gutter rat.
 
2013-03-03 10:30:00 AM

Veramar: styckx: Eh.. She's a kid. We were all assholes at that age..

A kid? She's 18 years old and supposedly an adult.


I was pretty lame, I wasn't a druggie when I was 18.
 
2013-03-03 10:31:24 AM

skinink: So you get applause because you are respectful in court after farking it up the first time? The applause should be saved for when she really turns herself around.



I think most of us know she hasn't turned her life around yet. I think most of us also know that there is a high likelihood she'll be back.

On the other side of it, good on her that she did apologize, took ownership of the actions and is working to get off the drugs. Did she do those things because she just wanted to get out of jail? Probably. That said, your complaint is really that she had applause because of her change in attitude?

Two questions:

1) At what point do we determine that she's turned her life around? Drug addiction is not something you can cure. She could be a successful professional with a stable marriage and two kids 20 years from now and back in prison 21 years from now.

2) Cheers, encouragement or compliments shouldn't be allowed through the process of change? Is there really any harm in cheering for someone for making a positive STEP in their lives? I think the sad thing is how many people who do actively try to change do not get the encouragement or positive reinforcement they need to stick with it. I know the applause isn't going to keep her off the drugs, but I don't see how it hurts either.

/good for her
//long recovery kid, don't think it's over, don't EVER think it's over
 
2013-03-03 10:31:27 AM
Why does the headline say "Florida girl" when we're talking about an adult female?  Would an eighteen year old male be referred to as a Florida boy?
 
2013-03-03 10:32:05 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: dobro: So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.

/Yes, and excellent. She's not going to get far in life using/dealing drugs with a giant chip on her shoulder. It's not like we should support someone cleaning up their act and not acting like a filthy trash talking gutter rat.


Well, that's your opinion.  Real world experience shows that there are shiatloads of successful people in this world who abuse drugs and alcohol, and have ENORMOUS chips on their shoulders.  In fact, I'd say it almost seems like a requirement for many.
 
2013-03-03 10:35:23 AM

SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


calitreview.com

/Dafuq did I just read?
 
2013-03-03 10:37:47 AM

lordjupiter: Bit'O'Gristle: dobro: So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.

/Yes, and excellent. She's not going to get far in life using/dealing drugs with a giant chip on her shoulder. It's not like we should support someone cleaning up their act and not acting like a filthy trash talking gutter rat.

Well, that's your opinion.  Real world experience shows that there are shiatloads of successful people in this world who abuse drugs and alcohol, and have ENORMOUS chips on their shoulders.  In fact, I'd say it almost seems like a requirement for many.


/Good point, but you must admit that for MOST of us who don't have millions of dollars, general civility and politeness have to be the norm unless you want to lose your job, and have constant strife with people due to your lack of general manners.
 
2013-03-03 10:38:02 AM
So basically the judge had her bathed and brought to his chambers
 
2013-03-03 10:38:20 AM

maggoo: She learned that cynicism is the key to avoid punishment, and that the US judicial system is a sham that values cheap cynical displays of atonement instead of actually upholding justice and rehabilitating criminals.


Impressive, actually, considering the mental capacity of your average teenager in the US and the fact that she's only had 5 days to learn.
 
2013-03-03 10:41:08 AM
Xanax is evil.

Ban it!
 
2013-03-03 10:42:59 AM

maggoo: She learned that cynicism is the key to avoid punishment, and that the US judicial system is a sham that values cheap cynical displays of atonement instead of actually upholding justice and rehabilitating criminals.


^^This^^

One of the hardest things I ever did was to hold my face still whilst standing in front of a judge who was sporting a glass eye..
 
2013-03-03 10:45:40 AM

SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....



Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.
 
2013-03-03 10:48:26 AM
fark the judge and fark stupid contempt of court sentences.
 
2013-03-03 10:50:00 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: lordjupiter: Bit'O'Gristle: dobro: So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.

/Yes, and excellent. She's not going to get far in life using/dealing drugs with a giant chip on her shoulder. It's not like we should support someone cleaning up their act and not acting like a filthy trash talking gutter rat.

Well, that's your opinion.  Real world experience shows that there are shiatloads of successful people in this world who abuse drugs and alcohol, and have ENORMOUS chips on their shoulders.  In fact, I'd say it almost seems like a requirement for many.

/Good point, but you must admit that for MOST of us who don't have millions of dollars, general civility and politeness have to be the norm unless you want to lose your job, and have constant strife with people due to your lack of general manners.



How do you know she didn't have those qualities in a work environment, as opposed to a court setting where her bond was being set beyond her means?  Or that playing the game in court has anything to do with cultivating those qualities?  How many totally mature 18 year olds are there, even ones who are "clean"?

A bit of an asshole streak is often a requirement for the pioneers and trendsetters in the world.  Running afoul of some people and finding your true calling may involve pissing some people off, and refusing to be tamed.  Otherwise, we'd all be enslaved by anyone who demanded we subjugate ourselves in the name of "manners".

This story is 99.9% about bowing down to judges, not just preparing one to either succeed or fail in life.  Whether or not it's a possible inconvenience to display such anti-authoritarianism to a judge is a separate question.
 
2013-03-03 10:54:41 AM

Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.


Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.
 
2013-03-03 10:58:44 AM
...waiting to see her first Brazzers or Bangbros video.

I'll use it a lot.
 
2013-03-03 10:58:49 AM
Everyone makes mistakes, but even at 18 I were brought before the judge I would have been pretty freaked out and been all yes sir and no sirs.

As for the excuse that she was drunk and pilled up in court, I doubt it.  I doubt she was arrested and right away brought before the judge.  She had at least a night in jail to sleep it off.  Unless she had an alcohol soaked tampon stuffed in the darkest nethers of her anus and along with some slow melting xanax next to it.

Also it is typical of the latino/catholic culture to repent today and be forgiven, and continue to keep farking up manana.

Call me when she is graduating from college, or when she stops peddling her ass on Collins Ave.
 
2013-03-03 11:02:39 AM

No Time To Explain: teal millions/billions, caught written hookers and blow, get not even a also on the wrist


You high? You flipping me off with that non-sense you speak? No soup for you !!!
 
2013-03-03 11:04:27 AM
Let's see...drinks to excess, games the court system, barely masks contempt for authority due only to desire for material gain....


Ladies and gentlemen, I present a Future Lawyer of America.
 
2013-03-03 11:05:35 AM

sendbillmoney: Why does the headline say "Florida girl" when we're talking about an adult female?  Would an eighteen year old male be referred to as a Florida boy?


if he's black and in the south --with a white judge. But your just trolling right?
 
2013-03-03 11:13:19 AM

sendbillmoney: Why does the headline say "Florida girl" when we're talking about an adult female?  Would an eighteen year old male be referred to as a Florida boy?


Yes. They are still kids at least to the age of 25.

Oh, and...She was a c*nt then and she's a c*nt now.
 
2013-03-03 11:17:43 AM
All she learned was how to game the system. And who taught her that? The system.
 
2013-03-03 11:19:16 AM
i384.photobucket.com
this thread
 
2013-03-03 11:23:42 AM
The judge was a cock.  The only thing he offers the world is his authority.
 
2013-03-03 11:25:37 AM
Subby is sadly correct.

Where will this thing land?
The learning channel?
Biography?
Arts and Entertainment channel?

Maybe we can sandwich her in between " Sign twirlers of Alabama" and "Detroit midget plumbers"
 
2013-03-03 11:29:16 AM
I got smack downs at work two years in a row for arguing a bit too strenuously for testability, maintainability and documentation (in our SW development). Then I spent a year nodding my head in agreement and acting surprised whenever things went wrong (as predicted by my earlier, disagreeable self). Result: I'm a good team player and our product is a POS.
 
2013-03-03 11:47:00 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.



Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.
 
2013-03-03 11:49:40 AM

skinink: So you get applause because you are respectful in court after farking it up the first time? The applause should be saved for when she really turns herself around.


I'll wait for her first action/adventure movie makes $30 million opening weekend.
 
2013-03-03 11:53:18 AM
30 days of sobriety in a monitored and controlled environment?  (rolls eyes)  Big accomplishment.

Let's see how she does after 30 unmonitored days in an uncontrolled environment.

I've seen people doing 90-day rehabs who would talk about how they couldn't wait for their time to be up so they could go use again without having to act remorseful and rehabilitated for a councilor.

As an added bonus, once she realizes the viral nature of her video, she'll ride that horse till its knees give out.
 
2013-03-03 11:56:10 AM

Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.


Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.


Yes - but when dealing with people in authority, one should always remember that these traits are foremost.  They are not there for the public good, or to do the right thing, no matter what they said during their campaign or what their official bio says.  They are there to feel powerful, and they'll royally fark anyone who doesn't kiss their ass sufficiently.  Remember this, and act accordingly.
 
2013-03-03 11:56:31 AM

Vance Uppercut: The judge was a cock.  The only thing he offers the world is his authority.


which is more than what you apparently have
 
2013-03-03 12:04:53 PM

litespeed74: Subby is sadly correct.

Where will this thing land?
The learning channel?
Biography?
Arts and Entertainment channel?

Maybe we can sandwich her in between " Sign twirlers of Alabama" and "Detroit midget plumbers"


Are you a showrunner?
 
2013-03-03 12:06:51 PM
I'm polite in court and get a foot up my 455... men with money and women with looks get over
 
2013-03-03 12:19:21 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.


Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.

Yes - but when dealing with people in authority, one should always remember that these traits are foremost.  They are not there for the public good, or to do the right thing, no matter what they said during their campaign or what their official bio says.  They are there to feel powerful, and they'll royally fark anyone who doesn't kiss their ass sufficiently.  Remember this, and act accordingly.


Or just treat people in general with respect, that way you don't have to remember to abruptly change your behavior for an authority figure. I guarantee the judge in this case wasn't the first person to be confronted with this rude biatch's attitude but he may have been the first who could do something about it.
 
2013-03-03 12:26:20 PM

Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.


Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.

Yes - but when dealing with people in authority, one should always remember that these traits are foremost.  They are not there for the public good, or to do the right thing, no matter what they said during their campaign or what their official bio says.  They are there to feel powerful, and they'll royally fark anyone who doesn't kiss their ass sufficiently.  Remember this, and act accordingly.

Or just treat people in general with respect, that way you don't have to remember to abruptly change your behavior for an authority figure. I guarantee the judge in this case wasn't the first person to be confronted with this rude biatch's attitude but he may have been the first who could do something about it.


Oh, no doubt.  But I treat people with respect all the time, and I know to be especially sycophantic to cops, judges, and others who have the power to fark me over - because they really enjoy using that power, and will do so with no provocation other than someone appearing to be insufficiently servile.

Sad, but true.
 
2013-03-03 12:28:42 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Xanax is evil.

Ban it!


Ban Snort it!
 
2013-03-03 12:38:20 PM
Time for her to move on to the next obvious career move

/Octomom needs a AW Padawan
 
2013-03-03 12:38:38 PM
Of course, being the farking Daily Fail, there are roughly 47 pictures for a goddamn simple story that needs about 4.
 
2013-03-03 12:40:42 PM
I'm sure Rick Ross will take her on tour.
 
2013-03-03 12:42:33 PM
She is a slow learner with poor self control. Things will not go well for her.
 
2013-03-03 12:48:51 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.


Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.

Yes - but when dealing with people in authority, one should always remember that these traits are foremost.  They are not there for the public good, or to do the right thing, no matter what they said during their campaign or what their official bio says.  They are there to feel powerful, and they'll royally fark anyone who doesn't kiss their ass sufficiently.  Remember this, and act accordingly.

Or just treat people in general with respect, that way you don't have to remember to abruptly change your behavior for an authority figure. I guarantee the judge in this case wasn't the first person to be confronted with this rude biatch's attitude but he may have been the first who could do something about it.

Oh, no doubt.  But I treat people with respect all the time, and I know to be especially sycophantic to cops, judges, and others who have the power to fark me over - because they really enjoy using that power, and will do so with no provocation other than someone appearing to be insufficiently servile.



You tangle with enough judges to paint that broad of a stroke?  Something tells me you have a pretty loose interpretation of the word respect if you feel the need to be especially sycophantic.  You'll notice that on shows like COPS, the idiots putting 'sir' after everything they say are always the slimiest of balls.
 
2013-03-03 12:50:53 PM

bighairyguy: dobro: So, another successful beatdown into submission and repression. (sigh). Like "breaking" a horse.

More like another druggie learning how to play the system. I suspect we'll hear from her again.

/I'd like to be proven wrong though


A person can learn a lot from other inmates.
 
2013-03-03 12:53:36 PM

Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.


Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.

Yes - but when dealing with people in authority, one should always remember that these traits are foremost.  They are not there for the public good, or to do the right thing, no matter what they said during their campaign or what their official bio says.  They are there to feel powerful, and they'll royally fark anyone who doesn't kiss their ass sufficiently.  Remember this, and act accordingly.

Or just treat people in general with respect, that way you don't have to remember to abruptly change your behavior for an authority figure. I guarantee the judge in this case wasn't the first person to be confronted with this rude biatch's attitude but he may have been the first who could do something about it.


So she deserved to be put in jail without a trial for being rude?
 
2013-03-03 12:57:46 PM
#1)  As a result, the disrespectful teen was held in contempt of court and sentenced to 30 days in prison,WSVNreported.

I doubt it was prison, jail perhaps but not prison. a) Prison is a far different thing and reserved for those that are judged to need it for terms over a year or so. b) It would take more than five days just to get her out of prison.  Not an easy process with LOTS of paperwork.  So, NOT PRISON jail maybe.  Luckily she dodged Juvie which can be the worst on a kid.

#2) we're now wowed by her submission to the old fat white guy system?  Yassir, Nahsir?  Never submit to bullschitt.

A little revolution is a good thing now and again.
OTOH, It may have been an eye opener for her.
Time will tell.

Coming from a Cool Hand Luke kinda guy with authority respect issues
 
2013-03-03 01:01:42 PM

Benjamin Orr: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.


Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.

Yes - but when dealing with people in authority, one should always remember that these traits are foremost.  They are not there for the public good, or to do the right thing, no matter what they said during their campaign or what their official bio says.  They are there to feel powerful, and they'll royally fark anyone who doesn't kiss their ass sufficiently.  Remember this, and act accordingly.

Or just treat people in general with respect, that way you don't have to remember to abruptly change your behavior for an authority figure. I guarantee the judge in this case wasn't the first person to be confronted with this rude biatch's attitude but he may have been the first who could do something about it.

So she deserved to be put in jail without a trial for being rude?



Yep, contempt of court.  I know, I know...waahhhh! somewhere there's consequences for being rude!!
 
2013-03-03 01:03:06 PM
This isn't about caving in to authority, it's about demonstrating that you're not the center of the universe, i.e. a rude, selfish coont.

Being respectful before a judge is a good indicator of having this capicity. Looks to me she needed a reminder and the judge did a good job.
 
2013-03-03 01:07:14 PM

SilentStrider: I'm sure Rick Ross will take her on tour.


Hallelujah.
 
2013-03-03 01:11:21 PM

NameDot: I'm polite in court and get a foot up my 455... men with money and women with looks get over


Stay out of court, 455.
 
2013-03-03 01:19:24 PM

Abox: Benjamin Orr: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.


Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.

Yes - but when dealing with people in authority, one should always remember that these traits are foremost.  They are not there for the public good, or to do the right thing, no matter what they said during their campaign or what their official bio says.  They are there to feel powerful, and they'll royally fark anyone who doesn't kiss their ass sufficiently.  Remember this, and act accordingly.

Or just treat people in general with respect, that way you don't have to remember to abruptly change your behavior for an authority figure. I guarantee the judge in this case wasn't the first person to be confronted with this rude biatch's attitude but he may have been the first who could do something about it.

So she deserved to be put in jail without a trial for being rude?


Yep, contempt of court.  I know, I know...waahhhh! somewhere there's consequences for being rude!!


You sound like a good little Nazi.
 
2013-03-03 01:21:33 PM

Kinan: This isn't about caving in to authority, it's about demonstrating that you're not the center of the universe, i.e. a rude, selfish coont.

Being respectful before a judge is a good indicator of having this capicity. Looks to me she needed a reminder and the judge did a good job.


Looks like the judge was just another guy with issues who decided to abuse his authority.
 
2013-03-03 01:28:09 PM

Veramar: styckx: Eh.. She's a kid. We were all assholes at that age..

A kid? She's 18 years old and supposedly an adult.


Yeah, because the exact day that you turn 18, you magically transform into an instant adult. In reality, 'kid' applies until kids are about 25, and in the case of my brother in law, it looks like it's gonna be more like 40...
 
2013-03-03 01:30:20 PM

Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.


Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.

Yes - but when dealing with people in authority, one should always remember that these traits are foremost.  They are not there for the public good, or to do the right thing, no matter what they said during their campaign or what their official bio says.  They are there to feel powerful, and they'll royally fark anyone who doesn't kiss their ass sufficiently.  Remember this, and act accordingly.

Or just treat people in general with respect, that way you don't have to remember to abruptly change your behavior for an authority figure. I guarantee the judge in this case wasn't the first person to be confronted with this rude biatch's attitude but he may have been the first who could do something about it.

Oh, no doubt.  But I treat people with respect all the time, and I know to be especially sycophantic to cops, judges, and others who have the power to fark me over - because they really enjoy using that power, and will do so with no provocation other than someone appearing to be insufficiently servile.


You tangle with enough judges to paint that broad of a stroke?  Something tells me you have a pretty loose interpretation of the word respect if you feel the need to be especially sycophantic.  You'll notice that on shows like COPS, the idiots putting 'sir' after everything they say are always the slimiest of balls.


I don't tangle with judges.  I do talk to them as a matter of course in my job, and as part of a political committee that decides whether to endorse them during their campaigns.  I talk to cops regularly, too.  And politicos of all stripes.  I'm always respectful, it's my Southern upbringing.  But I know to send the message, "I defer to you" to people with power.  It's just how it works, if you don't want to get farked over.

But feel free to assert our own power around them when they have power over you.  See how that works out for ya.
 
2013-03-03 01:34:13 PM

megarian: StoPPeRmobile: Xanax is evil.

Ban it!

Ban Snort it!


Lose your car keys!
 
2013-03-03 01:43:07 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.


Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.

Yes - but when dealing with people in authority, one should always remember that these traits are foremost.  They are not there for the public good, or to do the right thing, no matter what they said during their campaign or what their official bio says.  They are there to feel powerful, and they'll royally fark anyone who doesn't kiss their ass sufficiently.  Remember this, and act accordingly.

Or just treat people in general with respect, that way you don't have to remember to abruptly change your behavior for an authority figure. I guarantee the judge in this case wasn't the first person to be confronted with this rude biatch's attitude but he may have been the first who could do something about it.

Oh, no doubt.  But I treat people with respect all the time, and I know to be especially sycophantic to cops, judges, and others who have the power to fark me over - because they really enjoy using that power, and will do so with no provocation other than someone appearing to be insufficiently servile.


You tangle with enough judges to paint that broad of a stroke?  Something tells me you have a pretty loose interpretation of the word respect if you feel the need to be especially sycophantic.  You'll notice that on shows like COPS, the idiots putting 'sir' after everything they say are always the slimiest of balls.

I don't tangle with judges.  I do talk to them as a matter of course in my job, and as part of a political committee that decides whether to endorse them during their campaigns.  I talk to cops regularly, too.  And politicos of all stripes.  I'm always respectful, it's my Southern upbringing.  But I know to send the message, "I defer to you" to people with power.  It's just how it works, if you don't want to get farked over.

But feel free to assert our own power around them when they have power over you.  See how that works out for ya.


So that makes it ok and all of those judges are normal people worthy of our respect?
 
2013-03-03 02:01:17 PM
Who then, in your humble estimation is worthy of your respect?
Seems like it's a real personal thing with you, despite not knowing the judge personally.
 
2013-03-03 02:05:58 PM

Kinan: Who then, in your humble estimation is worthy of your respect?
Seems like it's a real personal thing with you, despite not knowing the judge personally.


Putting somebody in jail without a trial for giving you the finger is wrong. No matter who is being flipped off.

What is so hard to understand?

If somebody flipped off Obama or Bush do they deserve 30 days in jail?
 
2013-03-03 02:14:06 PM
Sigh. Ask your mom about contempt of court.
 
2013-03-03 02:14:10 PM

Benjamin Orr: Kinan: This isn't about caving in to authority, it's about demonstrating that you're not the center of the universe, i.e. a rude, selfish coont.

Being respectful before a judge is a good indicator of having this capicity. Looks to me she needed a reminder and the judge did a good job.

Looks like the judge was just another guy with issues who decided to abuse his authority.


It seems to be he used his authority exactly as it was meant to be used.  There are procedures and standards of acceptable behavior inside of a courtroom that are designed to make the process move as smoothly as possible for everyone involved.  When you are appearing in court being accused of committing a crime it's in your own best interests to limit your vocabulary to 'yes your honor' and 'no your honor'.  If the judge asks you a direct question and your lawyer does not step in to answer, answer it honestly and concisely.  This whole situation stemmed from when the judge asked her the value of her jewelry in order to help determine her assets to set a proper bond, and she laughed off the question.  Had she just answered 'I'd estimate its worth to be about $3,000' (or whatever other amount) she wouldn't have had the problem.  She made it worse by flipping him off and cursing.  There are certain places where that language isn't appropriate, court is one of them.
 
2013-03-03 02:17:16 PM
She's pretty.
 
2013-03-03 02:36:29 PM

Kinan: Sigh. Ask your mom about contempt of court.


Sigh. Derp derp derp.

Think for a seond and ask yourself if contempt of court should be punishable by instant jail time with no jury.
 
2013-03-03 02:37:33 PM
Reading this thread is teaching me a lot. Authority figures who use power are actually just flaunting it and are all scumbags.

So does that make all bosses scumbags? Go ahead and flip off and cuss out your boss and see how that works for all of you.  Are there some who would get over it and who you would absolutely love because they "respected" you as a person? i'm sure there will be some people who will follow it up with that and they may even be true. For the other 95% of us, you have a degree of respect you have to show your superiors or you will get fired and lose your job.

This judge didn't put her in jail for 3 decades. He didn't lock her up and throw away the key. He knows the system better than anyone and knew that she would be out within a week. He sent a message to this girl about how you needed to act in a courtroom. And for that he's a scumbag.

On the other side of the coin, she's a tramp who will end back up in court after 2 weeks and she's "fooled" the judge by a tearful apology. Therefore, how stupid are the sheep to applaud her actions.

I know this is Fark. I get it and am ok with it. I'm just not sure what the big deal is here from either party.

The judge had not only the right to do what he did, but I think he acted fairly. The girl might be pulling a fast one on the system. Of course, if she is, she'll be back in jail and prison if she continues her drug spiral.   I'm still for applauding her for her change in demeanor. If she is trying to go on the right path, it makes her feel good which is a good thing. if she's playing the system, she won't be impacted by silence or clapping so it makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.
 
2013-03-03 02:37:53 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Benjamin Orr: Kinan: This isn't about caving in to authority, it's about demonstrating that you're not the center of the universe, i.e. a rude, selfish coont.

Being respectful before a judge is a good indicator of having this capicity. Looks to me she needed a reminder and the judge did a good job.

Looks like the judge was just another guy with issues who decided to abuse his authority.

It seems to be he used his authority exactly as it was meant to be used.  There are procedures and standards of acceptable behavior inside of a courtroom that are designed to make the process move as smoothly as possible for everyone involved.  When you are appearing in court being accused of committing a crime it's in your own best interests to limit your vocabulary to 'yes your honor' and 'no your honor'.  If the judge asks you a direct question and your lawyer does not step in to answer, answer it honestly and concisely.  This whole situation stemmed from when the judge asked her the value of her jewelry in order to help determine her assets to set a proper bond, and she laughed off the question.  Had she just answered 'I'd estimate its worth to be about $3,000' (or whatever other amount) she wouldn't have had the problem.  She made it worse by flipping him off and cursing.  There are certain places where that language isn't appropriate, court is one of them.


Seriously?
 
2013-03-03 02:39:05 PM
So many facists in this thread.
 
2013-03-03 02:45:53 PM
So many entitled snowflakes w/authority issues in this thread.
So Again, Mr. Orr, who is worthy of your respect?
 
2013-03-03 02:53:32 PM

Benjamin Orr: So many facists in this thread.


(Reaches down, pinches cheek)

Ooooh, you are so cute!

/fascist
 
2013-03-03 03:08:08 PM

Benjamin Orr: Kinan: Who then, in your humble estimation is worthy of your respect?
Seems like it's a real personal thing with you, despite not knowing the judge personally.

Putting somebody in jail without a trial for giving you the finger is wrong. No matter who is being flipped off.

What is so hard to understand?

If somebody flipped off Obama or Bush do they deserve 30 days in jail?


So flipping off the president is the same as disrupting a court?
So by your logic, the judge has to let anyone and everyone speak, and do their protests... so how does the court ever actually get anything done?
Sounds like typical Farker logic.
 
2013-03-03 03:09:07 PM

Benjamin Orr: Kinan: Sigh. Ask your mom about contempt of court.

Sigh. Derp derp derp.

Think for a seond and ask yourself if contempt of court should be punishable by instant jail time with no jury.


Yes it should
What's your next question?
 
2013-03-03 03:09:08 PM
Is there anyway I can arrange a threesome between the rehabilitated Penelope and that female news anchor?

If anyone knows, let me know.
 
2013-03-03 03:15:12 PM
Personally, I think that if you are going to court on drug-related charges and you farking show up in the courtroom STONED on said court date, you should get a mandatory 30 days+rehab right there because your legal survival instinct has obviously taken a hike and your common sense has gone with it.

/Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son...
 
2013-03-03 03:55:24 PM
Having worked in the law enforcement arena for 20 years, I would say...trust, but VERIFIED.
Yes, she made it through the system, now, she will need to be supervised for a while to see if
she falls back with the same crowd & goes back to her old ways.  Also, her parents need to
watch her like a hawk.
I pray she isn't dazzled by idiots wanting to throw money at her for book rights, tv shows,
"playboy" etc.  Leave this girl alone and out of the press would give her a better chance of
escaping the "drug culture".
Hope someone does a follow up story in 6 months & 1 year later.
 
2013-03-03 04:50:22 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: Benevolent Misanthrope: Abox: SpdrJay: So, the moral of the story is that if you PRETEND to suck up to people in authority, you will be applauded by those same people....


Psst...people in authority don't care if you're pretending or sincere as long as they go home without a headache.

Addendum: ...as long as they go home without a headache and with the firm conviction that everyone around them is inferior.


Are we talking about authority or hipsters?  I'm pretty sure feeling superior transcends every societal strata. As does wanting to go home without a headache.

Yes - but when dealing with people in authority, one should always remember that these traits are foremost.  They are not there for the public good, or to do the right thing, no matter what they said during their campaign or what their official bio says.  They are there to feel powerful, and they'll royally fark anyone who doesn't kiss their ass sufficiently.  Remember this, and act accordingly.


And nothing like stereotyping to make you feel superior, right?
 
2013-03-03 05:09:09 PM
Didn't the supremes say it was a protected form of expression? Or does it only apply to cops and below?

Good girl, now sue the crap out of him for violating your rights to free speech with prison time.
 
2013-03-03 05:31:16 PM
Hook her up with Butthole Tattoo Girl and they can make a buddy-movie together
 
2013-03-03 05:53:05 PM

Mega Steve: Hook her up with Butthole Tattoo Girl and they can make a buddy-movie together


Yes, please.
 
2013-03-03 06:03:12 PM
It is funny, I was recently won an award at work, 80 people were chose from around the world, out of 15000, for being the best of the best in the company.

I have a flawless resume and work experience spanning six continents.  So I apply for a management position, one of 9 that came open.  Did not even get the interview.

But of the 9 who did 1 has a felony arrest from 2011 for stealing 5k in cash from his grandmother and another has 3 duis in three different states.  When I pointed this out I was told "people deserve second chances."  I agree with this, but what about those of us who do not fark up?

Judge did the right thing by scaring the shiat out of the girl, but the 30 days would have probably done her better than his later giving her a pass on the sentence, because it showed her she can cry and bat her eyes, and get out of trouble.

Actions should have consequences.
 
2013-03-03 06:19:23 PM

Benjamin Orr: So that makes it ok and all of those judges are normal people worthy of our respect?


Of course not.  But as you grow up, you'll realize that there are situations where reason doesn't work.  So you do what's necessary to get out of there with as little damage as possible.
 
2013-03-03 06:29:15 PM

ReverendJynxed: Didn't the supremes say it was a protected form of expression? Or does it only apply to cops and below?

Good girl, now sue the crap out of him for violating your rights to free speech with prison time.


The issue isn't that she swore at and flipped off a judge, it's that she did so in court.  If she had sworn at and flipped off the bailiff, prosecutor, defense attorney, another defendant, or some random person in the gallery she could have been just as guilty of contempt as if her response was directed at the judge.

Basically, just don't raise a ruckus or disrupt the proceedings in an illegitimate way when you're in a courtroom.
 
2013-03-03 07:23:03 PM
Ah, the thread where farkers normally in favor of nanny state government shake their collective fists against
an authoritarian judiciary.
 
2013-03-03 07:33:41 PM

theflatline: It is funny, I was recently won an award at work, 80 people were chose from around the world, out of 15000, for being the best of the best in the company.

I have a flawless resume and work experience spanning six continents.  So I apply for a management position, one of 9 that came open.  Did not even get the interview.

But of the 9 who did 1 has a felony arrest from 2011 for stealing 5k in cash from his grandmother and another has 3 duis in three different states.  When I pointed this out I was told "people deserve second chances."  I agree with this, but what about those of us who do not fark up?

Judge did the right thing by scaring the shiat out of the girl, but the 30 days would have probably done her better than his later giving her a pass on the sentence, because it showed her she can cry and bat her eyes, and get out of trouble.

Actions should have consequences.


But it's good that you're not bitter.
 
2013-03-03 07:38:43 PM

misanthropic1: theflatline: It is funny, I was recently won an award at work, 80 people were chose from around the world, out of 15000, for being the best of the best in the company.

I have a flawless resume and work experience spanning six continents.  So I apply for a management position, one of 9 that came open.  Did not even get the interview.

But of the 9 who did 1 has a felony arrest from 2011 for stealing 5k in cash from his grandmother and another has 3 duis in three different states.  When I pointed this out I was told "people deserve second chances."  I agree with this, but what about those of us who do not fark up?

Judge did the right thing by scaring the shiat out of the girl, but the 30 days would have probably done her better than his later giving her a pass on the sentence, because it showed her she can cry and bat her eyes, and get out of trouble.

Actions should have consequences.

But it's good that you're not bitter.


I am not bitter, because I roll with the punches, the award helped me gain employment for twice the pay with another firm who recognized my hard work.  However, it is funny that I put my nose to the grindstone and was overlooked because one of the upper management thinks she can do what she want, and I was begged to stay and then only offered the management job when I tendered my resignation.

When I asked about it when they finally offered me a position I was told "well we like to give minorities a chance and you as a caucasian have undue advantages."  Ironically I am jewish, spanish, black, and italian, which is all quite evident by looking at me.  But you know do not judge a man by his merits, or the color of his skin.
 
2013-03-03 09:54:23 PM

maggoo: She learned that cynicism is the key to avoid punishment, and that the US judicial system is a sham that values cheap cynical displays of atonement instead of actually upholding justice and rehabilitating criminals.


She's reformed if she's learned to play by the rules.
 
2013-03-04 03:24:39 AM
 
2013-03-04 04:49:21 AM
Xanax?  just take Phenibut
 
2013-03-04 09:19:08 AM
So much ignorance in this thread, ranging from demographics of judges to how the legal system works to basic social function.

Tanthalas39: Ah, the thread where farkers normally in favor of nanny state government shake their collective fists against an authoritarian judiciary.


Lacks some nuance, but a definite ring of truth to it.
 
2013-03-04 10:31:24 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: The judge seemed thoroughly impressed with her transformation after learning that Soto had passed all of her drug tests and is regularly attending narcotics anonymous meetings.

I'm sure she's a COMPLETELY different person now. *eyeroll*

And the judge set the bar pretty damn low for being "thoroughly impressed".


The reporter used the phrase "thoroughly impressed", not the judge. He was probably just offering encouragement through cautious optimism. Lots of troubled kids never receive any sort of positive feedback in their home life. A little bit of positive reinforcement can make a big difference in a person's life.

Lots of people think that a troubled person can never change their ways. The beauty of a recovery program is that its success or failure doesn't hinge on whether some random third-party believes it can.
 
2013-03-04 10:54:53 AM

theflatline: I have a flawless resume and work experience spanning six continents.  So I apply for a management position, one of 9 that came open.  Did not even get the interview.

But of the 9 who did 1 has a felony arrest from 2011 for stealing 5k in cash from his grandmother and another has 3 duis in three different states.  When I pointed this out I was told "people deserve second chances."  I agree with this, but what about those of us who do not fark up?



Maybe they're better than you for the job? Maybe your judgmental attitude and whiny manner of pointing out the shortcomings of others, rather than to convincing your superiors of your merit caused them to reject your application? Maybe you're a boastful egomaniac who constantly uses your "work experience spanning six continents" as justification rather than engaging in meaningful debate with someone who hasn't worked on six continents?

The fact that you didn't even get an interview says a lot more about you than it says about the people you're feeling superior to.
 
2013-03-04 08:30:14 PM
you could just argue that "flipping the bird" is technically impossible to do.  and rule the Judge insane
 
2013-03-04 09:29:04 PM

theflatline: It is funny, I was recently won an award at work, 80 people were chose from around the world, out of 15000, for being the best of the best in the company.

I have a flawless resume and work experience spanning six continents.  So I apply for a management position, one of 9 that came open.  Did not even get the interview.

But of the 9 who did 1 has a felony arrest from 2011 for stealing 5k in cash from his grandmother and another has 3 duis in three different states.  When I pointed this out I was told "people deserve second chances."  I agree with this, but what about those of us who do not fark up?

Judge did the right thing by scaring the shiat out of the girl, but the 30 days would have probably done her better than his later giving her a pass on the sentence, because it showed her she can cry and bat her eyes, and get out of trouble.

Actions should have consequences.


Actions do have consequences.  They just don't always fit your view of morality and entitlement.  The lesson is contained within your very post:  flying the straight and narrow isn't some form of extra credit that gives you an edge over people who are better connected or more effective despite what you see as "flaws".
 
2013-03-04 10:47:04 PM

lordjupiter: theflatline: It is funny, I was recently won an award at work, 80 people were chose from around the world, out of 15000, for being the best of the best in the company.

I have a flawless resume and work experience spanning six continents.  So I apply for a management position, one of 9 that came open.  Did not even get the interview.

But of the 9 who did 1 has a felony arrest from 2011 for stealing 5k in cash from his grandmother and another has 3 duis in three different states.  When I pointed this out I was told "people deserve second chances."  I agree with this, but what about those of us who do not fark up?

Judge did the right thing by scaring the shiat out of the girl, but the 30 days would have probably done her better than his later giving her a pass on the sentence, because it showed her she can cry and bat her eyes, and get out of trouble.

Actions should have consequences.

Actions do have consequences.  They just don't always fit your view of morality and entitlement.  The lesson is contained within your very post:  flying the straight and narrow isn't some form of extra credit that gives you an edge over people who are better connected or more effective despite what you see as "flaws".


Actually it should have merit, the positions were chosen without merit.  When I questioned why I was not given the interview I was told I was too short and not visible enough for people to seek out my advice.  The people who were promoted over me have felony arrests and were also investigated by the company I work for poor sales practices.  But the hiring manager showed her bias by promoting people who were ass kissers.

Today I was asked by a very high ranking boss why I did not apply for a management position, and I told him I had, and he had never heard of it.

Judge the merit of a man by his work, not the amount of ass he applies his lips to.

I proved myself to be the best of the best.  Education and work performance, but because I never kissed ass, means I am the one in the wrong?

And my performance trumped those who were hired.  Their cancellation rate was 42, mine was 14...  But you know cause I am short of stature and not pretty, means I should be denied.  Ain't that america.

Better connected does not mean shiat. IF you think ass kissing is better connected in business, then you need to think about your life.

I have connections, but I want to be judged on my merits not on whose ass i lick.
 
2013-03-06 09:40:36 AM
I proved myself to be the best of the best.  Education and work performance, but because I never kissed ass, m ...
translation:


"My insecurities and ego are too large to defer to anyone except myself."

You sound insufferable.
 
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