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(ABC)   Navy veteran commemorates all 2,200 military members who died in Afghanistan by writing their names on a wall. Fark: He does it completely from memory   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 82
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2013-03-03 12:13:06 PM  
I knew this dude once... he was in the army or something like that... I forgot his name.
 
2013-03-03 12:15:31 PM  
I salute this former sailor and his memory.

it friggen puts mine all to shame.
 
2013-03-03 12:24:51 PM  
I got $1,000 that says the asshole who started the clusterfark can't name 5.
 
2013-03-03 12:26:31 PM  

Suede head: Let's commemorate all the Afghan civilians they've butchered too. Oh wait, there's too many of them and we don't care anyway.

Let the military-fellating commence.


This. Anyone who supports the troops should be required to murder a middle eastern person.;
 
2013-03-03 12:36:49 PM  
Can he count to...

api.foodnetwork.ca
 
2013-03-03 12:42:24 PM  

leevis: Rich Cream: leevis:There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Didn't we/they lose that war anyway, stupid ass?


Are you saying they should have just rolled over as soon as North Vietnam invaded? Just because they lost doesn't mean they weren't worth fighting for.

jedikinkoid: leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".


It's actually more along the lines of "I have friends who lost most of their family in Vietnamese concentration camps in the '70s".

You're a douchebag.


I gave this a "smart" vote and plan to spend the rest of my Sunday reading the Wiki for "Vietnam War" since I realized I have no idea why we were actually over there. Just thought you should know.
 
2013-03-03 12:43:43 PM  
Damn it all, why couldn't we have put this man in charge of keeping track of Osama bin Laden's whereabouts?
 
2013-03-03 12:56:22 PM  

Glancing Blow: I don't get why this is a big deal.  Nice thought, but hero, god that word has lost its meaning.


You'll find it here.  Yours came in fourth.
 
2013-03-03 01:24:49 PM  

wildcardjack: Can he count to...

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I reckon 10 (20 halves)
 
2013-03-03 01:32:59 PM  

Maxor: The memory feat is impressive
I think that his choice of subject matter is a touching personal choice.
I don't think that a memorial to Enduring Freedom should be a wall.
The name alone makes me anti walls.  Perhaps an arch or gateway...  Maybe a Plinth.


How about a memorial obelisk?.
 
2013-03-03 01:51:29 PM  

jedikinkoid: leevis:
jedikinkoid: leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".


It's actually more along the lines of "I have friends who lost most of their family in Vietnamese concentration camps in the '70s".

You're a douchebag.

Better a douchebag than a twit who uses "friends" as talking points to try to score imaginary Internet Victories, in this case  against those who don't share your opinion about the futility of killing people to make them agree with you.


So just playing devil's advocate here, but does your "all wars are bad" stance extend to
include the Revolutionary War, Civil War, and WWII? Technically speaking, those wars
were fought because we couldn't make the other side agree with us.

You know, those pesky british wanting to impose their laws and such on us, the crazy notion
that it was cool to build up your wealth on the backs of other human beings forced into
servitude, and that whole "round up the Jews and other undesirables"...just a difference of
opinion that should have been left alone?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a proponent of war. But sometimes - *some*times - it is the
least worst option.
 
2013-03-03 01:55:05 PM  

Barfmaker: Mother fark can we please stop with the auto-start videos?


THIS.

Cool story, but fark the auto-starts. Fark you subs. Find a different story to link.
 
2013-03-03 02:12:00 PM  

digitalrain: jedikinkoid: leevis:
jedikinkoid: leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".


It's actually more along the lines of "I have friends who lost most of their family in Vietnamese concentration camps in the '70s".

You're a douchebag.

Better a douchebag than a twit who uses "friends" as talking points to try to score imaginary Internet Victories, in this case  against those who don't share your opinion about the futility of killing people to make them agree with you.

So just playing devil's advocate here, but does your "all wars are bad" stance extend to
include the Revolutionary War, Civil War, and WWII? Technically speaking, those wars
were fought because we couldn't make the other side agree with us.

You know, those pesky british wanting to impose their laws and such on us, the crazy notion
that it was cool to build up your wealth on the backs of other human beings forced into
servitude, and that whole "round up the Jews and other undesirables"...just a difference of
opinion that should have been left alone?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a proponent of war. But sometimes - *some*times - it is the
least worst option.


Please notice that what you're arguing against ("all wars are bad") is not what I said. What I inferred was that it's futile to kill people to make them agree with you, not that killing people in self-defense or in the defense of others is futile.

That may sound like a fine distinction, but it's an important one. The difference between what people call a "just" or an "unjust" war may rest on such distinctions - though IMO, most commonly it rests on the distinction between defense and armed robbery on a grand scale. And the latter is far more common than the former.
 
2013-03-03 02:30:46 PM  

jedikinkoid: digitalrain: jedikinkoid: leevis:
jedikinkoid: leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".


It's actually more along the lines of "I have friends who lost most of their family in Vietnamese concentration camps in the '70s".

You're a douchebag.

Better a douchebag than a twit who uses "friends" as talking points to try to score imaginary Internet Victories, in this case  against those who don't share your opinion about the futility of killing people to make them agree with you.

So just playing devil's advocate here, but does your "all wars are bad" stance extend to
include the Revolutionary War, Civil War, and WWII? Technically speaking, those wars
were fought because we couldn't make the other side agree with us.

You know, those pesky british wanting to impose their laws and such on us, the crazy notion
that it was cool to build up your wealth on the backs of other human beings forced into
servitude, and that whole "round up the Jews and other undesirables"...just a difference of
opinion that should have been left alone?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a proponent of war. But sometimes - *some*times - it is the
least worst option.

Please notice that what you're arguing against ("all wars are bad") is not what I said. What I inferred was that it's futile to kill people to make them agree with you, not that killing people in self-defense or in the defense of others is futile.

That may sound like a fine distinction, but it's an important one. The difference between what people call a "just" or an "unjust" war may rest on such distinctions - though IMO, most commonly it rests on the distinction between defense and armed robbery on a grand scale. And the latter is far more common than the former.


You completely missed his point.  I can help you find your missing chromosome.
 
2013-03-03 03:24:27 PM  
Jumping in headlong.  The Vietnam war was stupid bullshiat and never should have been fought.  The Vietnamese just wanted to be free of colonialism yet we stuck our nose in due to idiotic anti-Communist policy.

The Iraq war, likewise, was complete bullshiat.

Afghanistan may be complete bullshiat by this time.
 
2013-03-03 03:26:56 PM  
When I was in the Boy Scouts they had us watch a replica of the Vietnam memorial overnight, I drew the short straw and ended up doing the overnight shifts(three in total) with a couple of the other guys. One of us sat there and watched the wall(because someone might steal it? I really have no idea on that) the other two ran computers to help people find specific names on the wall, our fearless Scout Leader was of course passed out drunk in his truck by ten that night. shiat started getting weird about an hour before midnight, most of the vets came to see it really late at night so there was this big field lit up in the middle of a dark area and a few older guys wandering around just looking depressed, the day shift guys mostly had the curious and relatives coming in. One of the older guys scared the fark out of me when he got there, I was going through the lists out of curiosity(the computers had a database with a bunch of information about the deceased and I'm a detail junky) and suddenly there was this huge black guy with a scarred up face and only a thumb and middle finger on his left hand. I never heard him come in, as far as I'm concerned he just appeared, he asked me to look up a pair of names for him so I did then told the kid outside to go mind my desk while we tracked down the names. The guy looked at both names for a couple seconds then asked me if I wanted a drink, I said sure and he handed me a flask of gin(I was... fourteen? at the time). First time drinking gin, I don't drink it now because it makes me depressed every time, just remembering that guy.

It was about one in the morning, and he didn't say much else except that he was with them when they were killed and they were friends, I didn't ask about the scarring and mutilation but I imagine it was war related. I stayed out there with him for maybe fifteen minutes while he just walked back and forth between the names but I had to go find another name for someone, after about an hour he just walked to the very edge of the field where it was dark and sat down against one of the light posts with his back facing the memorial drinking out of his flask. He left around seven the next morning and came into the tent to thank me for helping him. I just remember thinking I'd never seen someone who looked so sad, something about the way he just walked away and wouldn't even look at the memorial anymore but still sat there for several hours really moved me. I kind of went to go see if he was alright a couple of times when I was outside the tent that night but couldn't bring myself to actually walk over, I'm pretty sure he just wanted to be left alone with his gin and memories anyways. There were a lot of folks who broke down crying and such, a lot of really dark war stories and memories and that kind of thing shared with us, but that poor guy is what I remember mostly, it took me years to get the look in his eyes out of my head. That was some pretty heavy shiat to leave a few kids in charge of.
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Maybe it's that experience, but I find these kinds of memorials touching. And frankly, I lost a couple of friends in Afghanistan and it pleases me that in all the trouble of memorizing these names to write them down, their names were included. Whether or not I personally believe in a war, it is always important to remember our fallen.
 
2013-03-03 04:10:38 PM  

Suede head: Let's commemorate all the Afghan civilians they've butchered too. Oh wait, there's too many of them and we don't care anyway.

Let the military-fellating commence.


This is one person and it's pretty damned amazing whether looked at as a feat or memorial.  You are one person.  You could do the Afghan side.  Unless you are memorializing the Taliban or Al Qaeda members, people would be equally impressed, I'm sure.
 
2013-03-03 04:11:06 PM  
Spiffy, yes. Hero, no.
 
2013-03-03 04:33:53 PM  
All this time and ONLY 2,200 people on our side have died?

That's comperable to individual areas of larger battles during the Civil War.
 
2013-03-03 04:35:29 PM  
Sorry about this, but...

Was I the only person that, after ready subby's headline, I thought the soldiers in Afganistan died because they wrote their names on a wall?
 
2013-03-03 05:25:20 PM  
FTFA: White doesn't have a photographic memory, but he is a two-time USA Memory Champion who has made memorization his business over the past 22 years. He teaches a memory class and speaks professionally about how to improve memory.

So this is just a publicity stunt designed to sell his services on the back of military worshipping and/or genuine grief. If he really wanted the dead to be remembered he could just, well, remember them - not write their names down in a public place.
 
2013-03-03 07:24:01 PM  
Some weapons grade trolling going down in here. Stop using corn for ethanol! We're gonna need it for poppin'!
 
2013-03-03 07:36:21 PM  

JonnyBlack: When I was in the Boy Scouts...


That's a very cool story, Bro. And well told.
 
2013-03-03 07:37:32 PM  
My wife and I were in the bar at Cantina Loredo last weekend and just happened to be sitting next to this guy.  He was writing these in his notebook - practicing I guess.  I kept stealing glances at what he was writing, but at the time we didn't know what he was doing.  All I could think of was Steve Buscemi in Billy Madison, making a list of all the people he was going to kill.  It wasn't until we saw him profiled this last week that we figured out he was just practicing.

/csb
 
2013-03-03 07:44:31 PM  

digitalrain: You know, those pesky british wanting to impose their laws and such on us, the crazy notion
that it was cool to build up your wealth on the backs of other human beings forced into
servitude, and that whole "round up the Jews and other undesirables"...just a difference of
opinion that should have been left alone?


You do know that the US only got involved in WW2 because they couldn't let them Commies liberate/take over Europe? It wasn't because some high ideals but because a communist Europe would mean no market for American goods.

Vietnam was the same. The US got involved because those commies would get in power and they had to stop it. Why? Because capitalism good and communism bad. And because a communist block might challenge western supremacy. We'll just ignore the fact that all "communist" countries fought amongst themselves quite a bit and were barely a threat to the west.

It's all nice and well to think that a country is highly idealistic and defends peace and freedom, but let us not pretend that the US would have ever gotten involved if there wasn't some benefit for them. Sometimes something is someone else's problem.

/Pearl Harbor was just the item that pushed the US over the "war or no war" line.
 
2013-03-03 07:52:03 PM  

doglover: All this time and ONLY 2,200 people on our side have died?


Medical advances have rendered those numbers as meaningless as non-inflation adjusted economic numbers.

17,000 wounded. I see them every day at work.

Also, we have a smaller footprint thanks to the advances in modern warfare. We cannot make numerical comparisons without getting incredibly technical.
 
2013-03-03 09:26:21 PM  

Rich Cream: leevis:There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Didn't we/they lose that war anyway, stupid ass?


B-b-but Rambo!!
 
2013-03-03 10:13:16 PM  
Great job, brother.
 
2013-03-04 12:17:56 AM  
I have stood honor guard for the traveling Vietnam Wall when I was in Navy A School...

Fark anyone who wants to blame 18 and 19 year old enlisted soldiers for the decisions politicians make....
 
2013-03-04 08:36:01 AM  

DerAppie: digitalrain: You know, those pesky british wanting to impose their laws and such on us, the crazy notion
that it was cool to build up your wealth on the backs of other human beings forced into
servitude, and that whole "round up the Jews and other undesirables"...just a difference of
opinion that should have been left alone?

You do know that the US only got involved in WW2 because they couldn't let them Commies liberate/take over Europe? It wasn't because some high ideals but because a communist Europe would mean no market for American goods.

Vietnam was the same. The US got involved because those commies would get in power and they had to stop it. Why? Because capitalism good and communism bad. And because a communist block might challenge western supremacy. We'll just ignore the fact that all "communist" countries fought amongst themselves quite a bit and were barely a threat to the west.

It's all nice and well to think that a country is highly idealistic and defends peace and freedom, but let us not pretend that the US would have ever gotten involved if there wasn't some benefit for them. Sometimes something is someone else's problem.

/Pearl Harbor was just the item that pushed the US over the "war or no war" line.


Yep, the main concern in 1941 was how fast the Russians were going to defeat the Germans and Japan all by themselves. We had to jump in ASAP to stop them. Dumbass
 
2013-03-04 12:20:10 PM  
Does this include military members killed by Fratricide like Pat Tillman?
 
2013-03-04 11:04:38 PM  

flynn80: Does this include military members killed by Fratricide like Pat Tillman?


*sigh*

No, but it should.
 
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