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2013-03-03 07:38:44 AM
I have no words.

Thank you, Ron.
 
2013-03-03 08:07:08 AM
Mother fark can we please stop with the auto-start videos?
 
2013-03-03 08:32:49 AM
Okay, we know how many vets it takes, but how many congressmen does it take to remember one?

/I am not saying I know all those folks, but I didn't send them either.
//Good job, Ron
 
2013-03-03 10:41:57 AM
He also has a memory training program to sell you. The remarkable thing is the length of the memory chain, but if you get him out of sequence I bet he'd be lost.

/Repeat
 
2013-03-03 10:47:37 AM
I bet he gets his underwear from K-Mart. K-Mart.
 
2013-03-03 10:47:43 AM
I bet he's a very good driver.
 
2013-03-03 10:50:05 AM
I bet he makes up at least one third of the names.
 
2013-03-03 10:50:29 AM

Whiskey Pete: I bet he gets his underwear from K-Mart. K-Mart.


I'm probably missing a joke, but there aren't any K-Mart's in the DFW metroplex.
 
2013-03-03 10:52:12 AM

wildcardjack: Whiskey Pete: I bet he gets his underwear from K-Mart. K-Mart.

I'm probably missing a joke, but there aren't any K-Mart's in the DFW metroplex.


Rainman. DUH!!!!!
 
2013-03-03 10:52:28 AM

wildcardjack: I'm probably missing a joke


Without a doubt.
 
2013-03-03 10:52:37 AM

wildcardjack: Whiskey Pete: I bet he gets his underwear from K-Mart. K-Mart.

I'm probably missing a joke, but there aren't any K-Mart's in the DFW metroplex.


Wapner is on..
 
2013-03-03 10:52:48 AM
Hope this serves as a constant reminder to those in power who think war is always the best option. It won't of course, but we can dream can't we?
 
2013-03-03 10:53:39 AM
Should have invaded Pakistan instead. That`s where OBL was anyway...

/my bad Pakistan isn`t on the route of an oil pipeline from the Caspian sea to Russia.
 
2013-03-03 10:53:59 AM
I don't get why this is a big deal.  Nice thought, but hero, god that word has lost its meaning.
 
2013-03-03 10:55:23 AM
I went to see him do this last week. It was pretty amazing. If he comes to your town, please do take the time to stop by and talk to him.
 
2013-03-03 10:57:39 AM
That's nothing. I once killed a raccoon with a stick.
 
2013-03-03 10:58:18 AM
About as useful as a prayer.
 
2013-03-03 10:59:10 AM
Memory champ aye, as said in story.  A thoughtful (yes you may cringe at this) thing to do. Good on 'im.
 
2013-03-03 11:02:08 AM
Almost 2-dozen posts in and no "tater salad" jokes? (At least that I didn't miss.)

I'm disappointed in the amount of respect in this thread.
 
2013-03-03 11:02:13 AM
Let's commemorate all the Afghan civilians they've butchered too. Oh wait, there's too many of them and we don't care anyway.

Let the military-fellating commence.
 
2013-03-03 11:03:36 AM

lack of warmth: Okay, we know how many vets it takes, but how many congressmen does it take to remember one?


We have 535 Congressmen, 435 Representatives and 100 Senators (Excluding nonvoting delegates from non-State territories).

So, I'm thinking the answer is at least 536 apparently.
 
2013-03-03 11:03:53 AM
Approves:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-03 11:06:01 AM

Whiskey Pete: That's nothing. I once killed a raccoon with a stick.


Pffftttt. Who hasn't done that?
 
2013-03-03 11:07:51 AM
was he hitting his head on the wall as well (smoking pot?)
 
2013-03-03 11:12:49 AM

kevin5lynn: About as useful as a prayer.


I'm not religious, but I do think that remembering the dead in thought and deed is useful to living people. It helps us set useful priorities and apply lessons learned to our lives. May not always help us improve the world, but I'm all for everyone trying.
 
2013-03-03 11:13:56 AM
Paper is for wimps.

paul.pastor2pastor.org.au
 
2013-03-03 11:16:14 AM

wildcardjack: He also has a memory training program to sell you. The remarkable thing is the length of the memory chain, but if you get him out of sequence I bet he'd be lost.


Some memory training program, they mention in the article the method he uses, and how it's been around for centuries. They go into a short explanation, but I'm sure there's plenty info online about it. But I wonder if you could get him lost. Since the names are associated with places, and he used his Ft Worth area, he can probably look at the last few names written and pick up right where he left off. All he has to do is remember which direction he's walking in. The benefit of the method is that you don't remember a sequence, you just have to know where you are and where you can go from there. You're not memorizing 1, 2, 3, 4, etc., you're memorizing what's in your doorway as you walk into your house, what's in your closet as you hang your coat, what's in your living room as you head to the kitchen. You can still know what's in the kitchen even if you skip the living room, you can always walk back there later on. Still, being able to associate that much is nothing short of remarkable.
 
2013-03-03 11:17:28 AM
Neat
 
2013-03-03 11:18:15 AM

VaportrailFilms: Paper is for wimps.

[paul.pastor2pastor.org.au image 250x281]


vegemite is for wimps
 
2013-03-03 11:18:55 AM

Cymbal: Hope this serves as a constant reminder to those in power who think war is always the best option. It won't of course, but we can dream can't we?


That was my thought too. The wall(s) he did is/are a powerful message, but I don't think the people who need to see them the most are even bothering.

(Did I mention I really farking hate wars?)
 
2013-03-03 11:21:25 AM
This is a nice gesture and so is the Vietnam memorial but my uncle who died in 1969 over there probably would have preferred to have lived the past 45 years of his life rather than dying violently at 19 years of age in a foreign land for no good reason.

//never forget
 
2013-03-03 11:22:05 AM

dready zim: Should have invaded Pakistan instead. That`s where OBL was anyway...

/my bad Pakistan isn`t on the route of an oil pipeline from the Caspian sea to Russia.


I'm pretty sure he was still in Afghanistan the day we started rolling in.
 
2013-03-03 11:23:08 AM
The memory feat is impressive
I think that his choice of subject matter is a touching personal choice.
I don't think that a memorial to Enduring Freedom should be a wall.
The name alone makes me anti walls.  Perhaps an arch or gateway...  Maybe a Plinth.
 
2013-03-03 11:23:54 AM
This was about as helpful as putting one of those magnetic ribbons on the back of your SUV.
 
2013-03-03 11:24:36 AM

NewportBarGuy: I have no words.

Thank you, Ron.


/Indeed.  You do the dead justice by memorizing their names and putting them down at a time when most kids, let alone teenagers and adults couldn't name one.

raises a glass

Salute'
 
2013-03-03 11:26:57 AM
I'm impressed by his memory.
 
2013-03-03 11:27:53 AM

Rich Cream: This is a nice gesture and so is the Vietnam memorial but my uncle who died in 1969 over there probably would have preferred to have lived the past 45 years of his life rather than dying violently at 19 years of age in a foreign land for no good reason.

//never forget


There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.
 
2013-03-03 11:30:49 AM

wildcardjack: He also has a memory training program to sell you. The remarkable thing is the length of the memory chain, but if you get him out of sequence I bet he'd be lost.

/Repeat


I had a music teacher in middle school who used to give us 100 question true or false quizzes. When we graded them, we exchanged quizzes and graded each others scores with him calling out, "1: True, 2: True, 3: False, etc..." from memory. It was always great fun to raise your hand at the end and ask him to repeat #84. His freaking eyes would vibrate as he closed them and dug around in his mind until he got to that one. But we never caught him giving a wrong answer.
 
2013-03-03 11:33:43 AM
I'm impressed.
 
2013-03-03 11:37:50 AM

GoldSpider: wildcardjack: I'm probably missing a joke

Without a doubt.


Definitely.
 
2013-03-03 11:39:15 AM

leevis: Rich Cream: This is a nice gesture and so is the Vietnam memorial but my uncle who died in 1969 over there probably would have preferred to have lived the past 45 years of his life rather than dying violently at 19 years of age in a foreign land for no good reason.

//never forget

There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.



Well I'm glad they're alive and able to enjoy the life my uncle provided them.

/or whatever
 
2013-03-03 11:42:37 AM
leevis:There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Didn't we/they lose that war anyway, stupid ass?
 
2013-03-03 11:43:09 AM
How about just get the troops back home? Any commander-in-chiefs listening, who promised to do this when campaigning and who never back up their word?
 
2013-03-03 11:44:03 AM
And President Community Organizer sends a computer generated letter.  Amiright or amiright?
 
2013-03-03 11:48:51 AM
leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".
 
2013-03-03 11:56:56 AM
As exciting as Bill Bradley memorizing the NY phonebook,  Possibly interesting, but to what functional purpose?
 
2013-03-03 11:59:19 AM

Rich Cream: leevis:There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Didn't we/they lose that war anyway, stupid ass?



Are you saying they should have just rolled over as soon as North Vietnam invaded? Just because they lost doesn't mean they weren't worth fighting for.

jedikinkoid: leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".



It's actually more along the lines of "I have friends who lost most of their family in Vietnamese concentration camps in the '70s".

You're a douchebag.
 
2013-03-03 12:00:58 PM
Hero? I don't think so, Tim.
 
2013-03-03 12:07:27 PM

leevis: Rich Cream: leevis:There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Didn't we/they lose that war anyway, stupid ass?


Are you saying they should have just rolled over as soon as North Vietnam invaded? Just because they lost doesn't mean they weren't worth fighting for.

jedikinkoid: leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".


It's actually more along the lines of "I have friends who lost most of their family in Vietnamese concentration camps in the '70s".

You're a douchebag.


If I remember history correctly, there was supposed to be a nation-wide election that never took place concerning reunification.
 
2013-03-03 12:13:02 PM
leevis:
jedikinkoid: leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".


It's actually more along the lines of "I have friends who lost most of their family in Vietnamese concentration camps in the '70s".

You're a douchebag.


Better a douchebag than a twit who uses "friends" as talking points to try to score imaginary Internet Victories, in this case  against those who don't share your opinion about the futility of killing people to make them agree with you.
 
2013-03-03 12:13:06 PM
I knew this dude once... he was in the army or something like that... I forgot his name.
 
2013-03-03 12:15:31 PM
I salute this former sailor and his memory.

it friggen puts mine all to shame.
 
2013-03-03 12:24:51 PM
I got $1,000 that says the asshole who started the clusterfark can't name 5.
 
2013-03-03 12:26:31 PM

Suede head: Let's commemorate all the Afghan civilians they've butchered too. Oh wait, there's too many of them and we don't care anyway.

Let the military-fellating commence.


This. Anyone who supports the troops should be required to murder a middle eastern person.;
 
2013-03-03 12:36:49 PM
Can he count to...

api.foodnetwork.ca
 
2013-03-03 12:42:24 PM

leevis: Rich Cream: leevis:There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Didn't we/they lose that war anyway, stupid ass?


Are you saying they should have just rolled over as soon as North Vietnam invaded? Just because they lost doesn't mean they weren't worth fighting for.

jedikinkoid: leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".


It's actually more along the lines of "I have friends who lost most of their family in Vietnamese concentration camps in the '70s".

You're a douchebag.


I gave this a "smart" vote and plan to spend the rest of my Sunday reading the Wiki for "Vietnam War" since I realized I have no idea why we were actually over there. Just thought you should know.
 
2013-03-03 12:43:43 PM
Damn it all, why couldn't we have put this man in charge of keeping track of Osama bin Laden's whereabouts?
 
2013-03-03 12:56:22 PM

Glancing Blow: I don't get why this is a big deal.  Nice thought, but hero, god that word has lost its meaning.


You'll find it here.  Yours came in fourth.
 
2013-03-03 01:24:49 PM

wildcardjack: Can he count to...

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I reckon 10 (20 halves)
 
2013-03-03 01:32:59 PM

Maxor: The memory feat is impressive
I think that his choice of subject matter is a touching personal choice.
I don't think that a memorial to Enduring Freedom should be a wall.
The name alone makes me anti walls.  Perhaps an arch or gateway...  Maybe a Plinth.


How about a memorial obelisk?.
 
2013-03-03 01:51:29 PM

jedikinkoid: leevis:
jedikinkoid: leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".


It's actually more along the lines of "I have friends who lost most of their family in Vietnamese concentration camps in the '70s".

You're a douchebag.

Better a douchebag than a twit who uses "friends" as talking points to try to score imaginary Internet Victories, in this case  against those who don't share your opinion about the futility of killing people to make them agree with you.


So just playing devil's advocate here, but does your "all wars are bad" stance extend to
include the Revolutionary War, Civil War, and WWII? Technically speaking, those wars
were fought because we couldn't make the other side agree with us.

You know, those pesky british wanting to impose their laws and such on us, the crazy notion
that it was cool to build up your wealth on the backs of other human beings forced into
servitude, and that whole "round up the Jews and other undesirables"...just a difference of
opinion that should have been left alone?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a proponent of war. But sometimes - *some*times - it is the
least worst option.
 
2013-03-03 01:55:05 PM

Barfmaker: Mother fark can we please stop with the auto-start videos?


THIS.

Cool story, but fark the auto-starts. Fark you subs. Find a different story to link.
 
2013-03-03 02:12:00 PM

digitalrain: jedikinkoid: leevis:
jedikinkoid: leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".


It's actually more along the lines of "I have friends who lost most of their family in Vietnamese concentration camps in the '70s".

You're a douchebag.

Better a douchebag than a twit who uses "friends" as talking points to try to score imaginary Internet Victories, in this case  against those who don't share your opinion about the futility of killing people to make them agree with you.

So just playing devil's advocate here, but does your "all wars are bad" stance extend to
include the Revolutionary War, Civil War, and WWII? Technically speaking, those wars
were fought because we couldn't make the other side agree with us.

You know, those pesky british wanting to impose their laws and such on us, the crazy notion
that it was cool to build up your wealth on the backs of other human beings forced into
servitude, and that whole "round up the Jews and other undesirables"...just a difference of
opinion that should have been left alone?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a proponent of war. But sometimes - *some*times - it is the
least worst option.


Please notice that what you're arguing against ("all wars are bad") is not what I said. What I inferred was that it's futile to kill people to make them agree with you, not that killing people in self-defense or in the defense of others is futile.

That may sound like a fine distinction, but it's an important one. The difference between what people call a "just" or an "unjust" war may rest on such distinctions - though IMO, most commonly it rests on the distinction between defense and armed robbery on a grand scale. And the latter is far more common than the former.
 
2013-03-03 02:30:46 PM

jedikinkoid: digitalrain: jedikinkoid: leevis:
jedikinkoid: leevis:  There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Sounds sorta like the equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black".


It's actually more along the lines of "I have friends who lost most of their family in Vietnamese concentration camps in the '70s".

You're a douchebag.

Better a douchebag than a twit who uses "friends" as talking points to try to score imaginary Internet Victories, in this case  against those who don't share your opinion about the futility of killing people to make them agree with you.

So just playing devil's advocate here, but does your "all wars are bad" stance extend to
include the Revolutionary War, Civil War, and WWII? Technically speaking, those wars
were fought because we couldn't make the other side agree with us.

You know, those pesky british wanting to impose their laws and such on us, the crazy notion
that it was cool to build up your wealth on the backs of other human beings forced into
servitude, and that whole "round up the Jews and other undesirables"...just a difference of
opinion that should have been left alone?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a proponent of war. But sometimes - *some*times - it is the
least worst option.

Please notice that what you're arguing against ("all wars are bad") is not what I said. What I inferred was that it's futile to kill people to make them agree with you, not that killing people in self-defense or in the defense of others is futile.

That may sound like a fine distinction, but it's an important one. The difference between what people call a "just" or an "unjust" war may rest on such distinctions - though IMO, most commonly it rests on the distinction between defense and armed robbery on a grand scale. And the latter is far more common than the former.


You completely missed his point.  I can help you find your missing chromosome.
 
2013-03-03 03:24:27 PM
Jumping in headlong.  The Vietnam war was stupid bullshiat and never should have been fought.  The Vietnamese just wanted to be free of colonialism yet we stuck our nose in due to idiotic anti-Communist policy.

The Iraq war, likewise, was complete bullshiat.

Afghanistan may be complete bullshiat by this time.
 
2013-03-03 03:26:56 PM
When I was in the Boy Scouts they had us watch a replica of the Vietnam memorial overnight, I drew the short straw and ended up doing the overnight shifts(three in total) with a couple of the other guys. One of us sat there and watched the wall(because someone might steal it? I really have no idea on that) the other two ran computers to help people find specific names on the wall, our fearless Scout Leader was of course passed out drunk in his truck by ten that night. shiat started getting weird about an hour before midnight, most of the vets came to see it really late at night so there was this big field lit up in the middle of a dark area and a few older guys wandering around just looking depressed, the day shift guys mostly had the curious and relatives coming in. One of the older guys scared the fark out of me when he got there, I was going through the lists out of curiosity(the computers had a database with a bunch of information about the deceased and I'm a detail junky) and suddenly there was this huge black guy with a scarred up face and only a thumb and middle finger on his left hand. I never heard him come in, as far as I'm concerned he just appeared, he asked me to look up a pair of names for him so I did then told the kid outside to go mind my desk while we tracked down the names. The guy looked at both names for a couple seconds then asked me if I wanted a drink, I said sure and he handed me a flask of gin(I was... fourteen? at the time). First time drinking gin, I don't drink it now because it makes me depressed every time, just remembering that guy.

It was about one in the morning, and he didn't say much else except that he was with them when they were killed and they were friends, I didn't ask about the scarring and mutilation but I imagine it was war related. I stayed out there with him for maybe fifteen minutes while he just walked back and forth between the names but I had to go find another name for someone, after about an hour he just walked to the very edge of the field where it was dark and sat down against one of the light posts with his back facing the memorial drinking out of his flask. He left around seven the next morning and came into the tent to thank me for helping him. I just remember thinking I'd never seen someone who looked so sad, something about the way he just walked away and wouldn't even look at the memorial anymore but still sat there for several hours really moved me. I kind of went to go see if he was alright a couple of times when I was outside the tent that night but couldn't bring myself to actually walk over, I'm pretty sure he just wanted to be left alone with his gin and memories anyways. There were a lot of folks who broke down crying and such, a lot of really dark war stories and memories and that kind of thing shared with us, but that poor guy is what I remember mostly, it took me years to get the look in his eyes out of my head. That was some pretty heavy shiat to leave a few kids in charge of.
[/csb]

Maybe it's that experience, but I find these kinds of memorials touching. And frankly, I lost a couple of friends in Afghanistan and it pleases me that in all the trouble of memorizing these names to write them down, their names were included. Whether or not I personally believe in a war, it is always important to remember our fallen.
 
2013-03-03 04:10:38 PM

Suede head: Let's commemorate all the Afghan civilians they've butchered too. Oh wait, there's too many of them and we don't care anyway.

Let the military-fellating commence.


This is one person and it's pretty damned amazing whether looked at as a feat or memorial.  You are one person.  You could do the Afghan side.  Unless you are memorializing the Taliban or Al Qaeda members, people would be equally impressed, I'm sure.
 
2013-03-03 04:11:06 PM
Spiffy, yes. Hero, no.
 
2013-03-03 04:33:53 PM
All this time and ONLY 2,200 people on our side have died?

That's comperable to individual areas of larger battles during the Civil War.
 
2013-03-03 04:35:29 PM
Sorry about this, but...

Was I the only person that, after ready subby's headline, I thought the soldiers in Afganistan died because they wrote their names on a wall?
 
2013-03-03 05:25:20 PM
FTFA: White doesn't have a photographic memory, but he is a two-time USA Memory Champion who has made memorization his business over the past 22 years. He teaches a memory class and speaks professionally about how to improve memory.

So this is just a publicity stunt designed to sell his services on the back of military worshipping and/or genuine grief. If he really wanted the dead to be remembered he could just, well, remember them - not write their names down in a public place.
 
2013-03-03 07:24:01 PM
Some weapons grade trolling going down in here. Stop using corn for ethanol! We're gonna need it for poppin'!
 
2013-03-03 07:36:21 PM

JonnyBlack: When I was in the Boy Scouts...


That's a very cool story, Bro. And well told.
 
2013-03-03 07:37:32 PM
My wife and I were in the bar at Cantina Loredo last weekend and just happened to be sitting next to this guy.  He was writing these in his notebook - practicing I guess.  I kept stealing glances at what he was writing, but at the time we didn't know what he was doing.  All I could think of was Steve Buscemi in Billy Madison, making a list of all the people he was going to kill.  It wasn't until we saw him profiled this last week that we figured out he was just practicing.

/csb
 
2013-03-03 07:44:31 PM

digitalrain: You know, those pesky british wanting to impose their laws and such on us, the crazy notion
that it was cool to build up your wealth on the backs of other human beings forced into
servitude, and that whole "round up the Jews and other undesirables"...just a difference of
opinion that should have been left alone?


You do know that the US only got involved in WW2 because they couldn't let them Commies liberate/take over Europe? It wasn't because some high ideals but because a communist Europe would mean no market for American goods.

Vietnam was the same. The US got involved because those commies would get in power and they had to stop it. Why? Because capitalism good and communism bad. And because a communist block might challenge western supremacy. We'll just ignore the fact that all "communist" countries fought amongst themselves quite a bit and were barely a threat to the west.

It's all nice and well to think that a country is highly idealistic and defends peace and freedom, but let us not pretend that the US would have ever gotten involved if there wasn't some benefit for them. Sometimes something is someone else's problem.

/Pearl Harbor was just the item that pushed the US over the "war or no war" line.
 
2013-03-03 07:52:03 PM

doglover: All this time and ONLY 2,200 people on our side have died?


Medical advances have rendered those numbers as meaningless as non-inflation adjusted economic numbers.

17,000 wounded. I see them every day at work.

Also, we have a smaller footprint thanks to the advances in modern warfare. We cannot make numerical comparisons without getting incredibly technical.
 
2013-03-03 09:26:21 PM

Rich Cream: leevis:There were several million South Vietnamese who thought it was a good reason. I happen to be friends with a few of them.

Didn't we/they lose that war anyway, stupid ass?


B-b-but Rambo!!
 
2013-03-03 10:13:16 PM
Great job, brother.
 
2013-03-04 12:17:56 AM
I have stood honor guard for the traveling Vietnam Wall when I was in Navy A School...

Fark anyone who wants to blame 18 and 19 year old enlisted soldiers for the decisions politicians make....
 
2013-03-04 08:36:01 AM

DerAppie: digitalrain: You know, those pesky british wanting to impose their laws and such on us, the crazy notion
that it was cool to build up your wealth on the backs of other human beings forced into
servitude, and that whole "round up the Jews and other undesirables"...just a difference of
opinion that should have been left alone?

You do know that the US only got involved in WW2 because they couldn't let them Commies liberate/take over Europe? It wasn't because some high ideals but because a communist Europe would mean no market for American goods.

Vietnam was the same. The US got involved because those commies would get in power and they had to stop it. Why? Because capitalism good and communism bad. And because a communist block might challenge western supremacy. We'll just ignore the fact that all "communist" countries fought amongst themselves quite a bit and were barely a threat to the west.

It's all nice and well to think that a country is highly idealistic and defends peace and freedom, but let us not pretend that the US would have ever gotten involved if there wasn't some benefit for them. Sometimes something is someone else's problem.

/Pearl Harbor was just the item that pushed the US over the "war or no war" line.


Yep, the main concern in 1941 was how fast the Russians were going to defeat the Germans and Japan all by themselves. We had to jump in ASAP to stop them. Dumbass
 
2013-03-04 12:20:10 PM
Does this include military members killed by Fratricide like Pat Tillman?
 
2013-03-04 11:04:38 PM

flynn80: Does this include military members killed by Fratricide like Pat Tillman?


*sigh*

No, but it should.
 
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