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2013-03-03 06:05:25 AM
You know why they won't reach a deal on the sequester?

Because YOU masturbate too much.

Yes, YOU.
Don't look around, I'm pointing right at you.

/I hope you get car pool tunnel
 
2013-03-03 07:37:47 AM
Simple. "Starve the beast" Republicans absolutely  looooove the sequester.
 
2013-03-03 07:46:16 AM
TFA is completely correct, but it doesn't matter.

You cannot say that one party is worse than the other, or Very Serious People will chide you for being hopelessly partisan. It doesn't matter if it is 100% false; we must all claim to believe that both parties are equally bad or we are naive and ignorant and blinded by bias.

Watch any cable news channel and you will see people seriously advocating this. Everyone wants to give Obama and the GOP 50% of the blame for the sequester each. They care far, far more about looking unbiased than about being unbiased.
 
2013-03-03 07:47:59 AM
So with this massive spending cut, all of our taxes should go down next year. Right?

/Cut "defense" 50 percent.
 
2013-03-03 07:48:18 AM
There is no deal because groups funded by billionaires, such as the Club for Growth and tea party groups, have made it very clear they will destroy any Congressman in the 2014 GOP primary who even thinks of compromising with the democrats today.   After the 2010 gerrymandering of the districts, it takes very little money for billionaire funded groups to pull this off.   This has effectively destroyed the compromise needed to makes our democracy run.
 
2013-03-03 07:48:33 AM
Depressingly it seems that the GOP will continue to obstruct everything Obama tries to do to improve the economy, even though this was proven by November's election to be a failed strategy.
 
2013-03-03 07:50:19 AM
make our democracy run.

/ftfm
 
2013-03-03 07:52:21 AM
nicedeb.files.wordpress.com

What Dr. No really looks like.

Hey Harry, how about passing a farking budget sometime this decade.
 
2013-03-03 07:52:29 AM

Wyalt Derp: Depressingly it seems that the GOP will continue to obstruct everything Obama tries to do to improve the economy, even though this was proven by November's election to be a failed strategy.


They aren't trying to win, they're trying to avoid being primaried by Tea Party nuts in 2014.
 
2013-03-03 07:56:06 AM

Gunther: TFA is completely correct, but it doesn't matter.

You cannot say that one party is worse than the other, or Very Serious People will chide you for being hopelessly partisan. It doesn't matter if it is 100% false; we must all claim to believe that both parties are equally bad or we are naive and ignorant and blinded by bias.

Watch any cable news channel and you will see people seriously advocating this. Everyone wants to give Obama and the GOP 50% of the blame for the sequester each. They care far, far more about looking unbiased than about being unbiased.


Um, so vote republican?
 
2013-03-03 07:56:25 AM

Wyalt Derp: Depressingly it seems that the GOP will continue to obstruct everything Obama tries to do to improve the economy, even though this was proven by November's election to be a failed strategy.


Yep, it looks like the true believers, not just the cynics who manipulate the proles, have really taken over the party.

I have a friend (only on facebook now) from high school who was a campaign adviser for one of the loopy tea partiers now in Congress. I had kind of assumed, considering his job, that he would be more a cynic about politics than anything else. Instead, if his facebook feed can be trusted, he appears to be a "true believer" who buys 100% all of the malarkey coming out of the right nowadays. Now it may all just be a pose for his clients, but I don't think so as he often shares ways he is indoctrinating (I have no other good word for it) his very small children. To my mind, it says a lot about how decayed the GOP is that this guy has any say in it.
 
2013-03-03 07:57:12 AM
Today's Republican Party is the biggest threat America has ever faced.
 
2013-03-03 07:58:48 AM

Gunther: Wyalt Derp: Depressingly it seems that the GOP will continue to obstruct everything Obama tries to do to improve the economy, even though this was proven by November's election to be a failed strategy.

They aren't trying to win, they're trying to avoid being primaried by Tea Party nuts in 2014.


Yes.

And the funny thing is, this is the Republicans' own fault for gerrymandering themselves into "safe" districts.

Sure, they're safe from Democrats, but now they have to worry about losing their job to the far-right loonies in their party.

That's why there's no compromise in Washington anymore.  You want to fix Congress?  Reform redistricting first.
 
2013-03-03 08:02:39 AM

Gunther: They aren't trying to win, they're trying to avoid being primaried by Tea Party nuts in 2014.


i575.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-03 08:05:55 AM
I thought it was the Party of Stupid?


/confused
 
2013-03-03 08:10:22 AM
WHELP

I really REALLY  REALLY hope that Obama doesn't get killed like the Graechi did. Theirs was the last gasp to preserve the Republic, and look what happened just 40 years down the road.

It didn't help that Marius was a dickbag. I hope we don't have one of him showing up.
 
2013-03-03 08:14:19 AM

whitman00: There is no deal because groups funded by billionaires, such as the Club for Growth and tea party groups, have made it very clear they will destroy any Congressman in the 2014 GOP primary who even thinks of compromising with the democrats today.   After the 2010 gerrymandering of the districts, it takes very little money for billionaire funded groups to pull this off.   This has effectively destroyed the compromise needed to makes our democracy run.



As someone said in another thread, you can't make a man understand something if bis livelihood depends on him not understanding it.
 
2013-03-03 08:15:53 AM

rogue49: I thought it was the Party of Stupid?


/confused


No reason it can't be both.
 
2013-03-03 08:16:21 AM

Gunther: TFA is completely correct, but it doesn't matter.

You cannot say that one party is worse than the other, or Very Serious People will chide you for being hopelessly partisan. It doesn't matter if it is 100% false; we must all claim to believe that both parties are equally bad or we are naive and ignorant and blinded by bias.

Watch any cable news channel and you will see people seriously advocating this. Everyone wants to give Obama and the GOP 50% of the blame for the sequester each. They care far, far more about looking unbiased than about being unbiased.


It's disgusting the way they went into panic mode, led by Bob Woodward, when the polls came out showing that people rightly blamed Republicans.
 
2013-03-03 08:18:39 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: So with this massive spending cut, all of our taxes should go down next year. Right?

/Cut "defense" 50 percent.


Nope. State and local taxes will go up to offset federal cuts to the states.
 
2013-03-03 08:19:44 AM

StrikitRich: What Dr. No really looks like.

Hey Harry, how about passing a farking budget sometime this decade.


He did. By majority. Then the republicans yelled "filibuster!"
 
2013-03-03 08:22:32 AM
This will continue until the Democrats take control of the House in 2014.
 
2013-03-03 08:27:03 AM
If they really wanted to stop sequestration from happening they would have included a provision preventing Congress and its staff from getting paid until a bill was passed.
 
2013-03-03 08:28:57 AM
They wont reach a deal because they don't want to. They want to make tough cuts, but no one wants to take responsibility for them. But if they make a convoluted process where is seems they just kinda accidentally cut everything, they get the cuts and can continue to blame the other side.

I think everyone knows the cuts are dumb and will hurt way more than they need to. But our government is not deft or smart. It's a reflection of us, and as a people, we are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
 
2013-03-03 08:30:25 AM

Publikwerks: They wont reach a deal because they don't want to. They want to make tough cuts, but no one wants to take responsibility for them. But if they make a convoluted process where is seems they just kinda accidentally cut everything, they get the cuts and can continue to blame the other side.

I think everyone knows the cuts are dumb and will hurt way more than they need to. But our government is not deft or smart. It's a reflection of us, and as a people, we are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.


Well said.
 
2013-03-03 08:30:35 AM
Gunther:
They aren't trying to win, they're trying to avoid being primaried by Tea Party nuts in 2014.

Yep. It's all about being re-elected (or insuring re-election), a step down, I think, from even putting party before country.
 
2013-03-03 08:32:42 AM
I use to have to share the blame for what went wrong with one of my friends. He'd screw up, say whatever was on his mind, but the second it went south he wanted everybody to share in the fault. When he got married, he and his wife would invite me over then complain I was not doing the dishes. They even lectured about how many plies of toilet paper to use and the art of folding it over to use both sides. I'd go to their restaurants hangouts 9 times, and then want to go to one of mine....then I would be the selfish one. Have not been friends with him for years, but I'm thinking he must be republican now..... Totally unreasonable people are ruining this country.
 
2013-03-03 08:32:46 AM
The sequester was the result of a deal.
 
2013-03-03 08:36:46 AM

zetar: This will continue until the Democrats take control of the House in 2014.


Won't be easy.

The GOP has done a fantastic job gerrymandering their districts to keep that from happening.
 
2013-03-03 08:36:54 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Um, so vote republican?


Way to prove his point.
 
2013-03-03 08:38:34 AM
I know most congresscritters are already millionaires, but if the idea of sequestration is to force reaching a deal on the budget, perhaps congressional salaries should be frozen to further encourage a compromise.
 
2013-03-03 08:40:25 AM

Wyalt Derp: Depressingly it seems that the GOP will continue to obstruct everything Obama tries to do to improve the economy, even though this was proven by November's election to be a failed strategy.


And even though THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO ENSURE HE'S NOT REELECTED.

Jesus Christ; the stupid, it burns.
 
2013-03-03 08:41:31 AM

Mrtraveler01: zetar: This will continue until the Democrats take control of the House in 2014.

Won't be easy.

The GOP has done a fantastic job gerrymandering their districts to keep that from happening.


Worth noting that Democratic House candidates already received over a million votes more than GOP candidates in 2012, and yet the GOP nonetheless got to keep their majority in seats.

Given the current state of mostly pro-GOP gerrymandering, it's crazy to think what kind of Drmocratic wave election would be needed just to give the Dems a slight majority in the House.

I'm more pessimistic about the Dems' chances to retake the House until after the 2020 redistricting at least. To that end, they need to be focused on taking control of state houses now.
 
2013-03-03 08:43:50 AM

Doc Daneeka: Mrtraveler01: zetar: This will continue until the Democrats take control of the House in 2014.

Won't be easy.

The GOP has done a fantastic job gerrymandering their districts to keep that from happening.

Worth noting that Democratic House candidates already received over a million votes more than GOP candidates in 2012, and yet the GOP nonetheless got to keep their majority in seats.

Given the current state of mostly pro-GOP gerrymandering, it's crazy to think what kind of Drmocratic wave election would be needed just to give the Dems a slight majority in the House.

I'm more pessimistic about the Dems' chances to retake the House until after the 2020 redistricting at least. To that end, they need to be focused on taking control of state houses now.


Count Missouri out then. Our state Democratic Party does jack squat to do any outreach to places that aren't St. Louis, KC, or Columbia (college town).
 
2013-03-03 08:44:26 AM

rogue49: I thought it was the Party of Stupid?


/confused


Why can't it be both?

See?  Compromise works!
 
2013-03-03 08:47:12 AM
Obama is a good campaigner.    But no so good at taking the economy seriously.


He's working hard to scare people.    So badly worried that even the cuts ( he signed into being) will actually be done.   Because even as bad a he made them.    They might show Americans that cuts can be made.

Imagine if he had actually applied the cuts in a smart way, rather than arbitrary.    He's so busy trying to play bad politics that he has left everyone down....
 
2013-03-03 08:50:11 AM

netcentric: Obama is a good campaigner.    But no so good at taking the economy seriously.


He's working hard to scare people.    So badly worried that even the cuts ( he signed into being) will actually be done.   Because even as bad a he made them.    They might show Americans that cuts can be made.

Imagine if he had actually applied the cuts in a smart way, rather than arbitrary.    He's so busy trying to play bad politics that he has left everyone down....


Are you serious? Do you really have the attention span of a goldfish? Do you not remember how the sequester came into being?
 
2013-03-03 08:50:31 AM

netcentric: Obama is a good campaigner.    But no so good at taking the economy seriously.


He's working hard to scare people.    So badly worried that even the cuts ( he signed into being) will actually be done.   Because even as bad a he made them.    They might show Americans that cuts can be made.

Imagine if he had actually applied the cuts in a smart way, rather than arbitrary.    He's so busy trying to play bad politics that he has left everyone down....


0/10
 
2013-03-03 08:50:45 AM

netcentric: Obama is a good campaigner.    But no so good at taking the economy seriously.


He's working hard to scare people.    So badly worried that even the cuts ( he signed into being) will actually be done.   Because even as bad a he made them.    They might show Americans that cuts can be made.

Imagine if he had actually applied the cuts in a smart way, rather than arbitrary.    He's so busy trying to play bad politics that he has left everyone down....


Are you a full time troll now?
 
2013-03-03 08:51:33 AM
Republicans own this mess... entirely. They won't admit that they own it... they keep trying to claim it isn't theirs to own, but they own this mess.

Yes... I fully expect Republican salad tossers to claim the opposite.

I would point and laugh at them but it's just too sad...
 
2013-03-03 08:51:39 AM

ib_thinkin: netcentric: Obama is a good campaigner.    But no so good at taking the economy seriously.


He's working hard to scare people.    So badly worried that even the cuts ( he signed into being) will actually be done.   Because even as bad a he made them.    They might show Americans that cuts can be made.

Imagine if he had actually applied the cuts in a smart way, rather than arbitrary.    He's so busy trying to play bad politics that he has left everyone down....

Are you serious? Do you really have the attention span of a goldfish? Do you not remember how the sequester came into being?


But according to Rush and Hannity, the sequester is all 0bummer's fault, so that's what the Right Wing will believe this week.
 
2013-03-03 08:51:43 AM

Sir-Marx-A-Lot: StrikitRich: What Dr. No really looks like.

Hey Harry, how about passing a farking budget sometime this decade.

He did. By majority. Then the republicans yelled "filibuster!"


And not to suggest that the Senate has no role in this but there's a reason buried in that document that so many area men claim expertise on that the House takes the lead on budgetary concerns.
 
2013-03-03 08:51:50 AM
Dammit. Got me.
 
2013-03-03 08:52:08 AM

ib_thinkin: netcentric: Obama is a good campaigner.    But no so good at taking the economy seriously.


He's working hard to scare people.    So badly worried that even the cuts ( he signed into being) will actually be done.   Because even as bad a he made them.    They might show Americans that cuts can be made.

Imagine if he had actually applied the cuts in a smart way, rather than arbitrary.    He's so busy trying to play bad politics that he has left everyone down....

Are you serious? Do you really have the attention span of a goldfish? Do you not remember how the sequester came into being?


To be fair, Obama made the mistake in thinking that the Republicans would act like rational adults and work with the Democrats to come to a compromise and avoid the sequester.

See, I can be critical of Obama too. ;)
 
2013-03-03 08:53:13 AM

Dog Welder: ib_thinkin: netcentric: Obama is a good campaigner.    But no so good at taking the economy seriously.


He's working hard to scare people.    So badly worried that even the cuts ( he signed into being) will actually be done.   Because even as bad a he made them.    They might show Americans that cuts can be made.

Imagine if he had actually applied the cuts in a smart way, rather than arbitrary.    He's so busy trying to play bad politics that he has left everyone down....

Are you serious? Do you really have the attention span of a goldfish? Do you not remember how the sequester came into being?

But according to Rush and Hannity, the sequester is all 0bummer's fault, so that's what the Right Wing will believe this week.


So let me get this straight, the sequester is all 2Bama's fault but it's also no big deal?

/hard to keep these talking points straight
 
2013-03-03 08:53:45 AM
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2013-03-03 08:55:29 AM

ThisSideofSteinway: Sir-Marx-A-Lot: StrikitRich: What Dr. No really looks like.

Hey Harry, how about passing a farking budget sometime this decade.

He did. By majority. Then the republicans yelled "filibuster!"

And not to suggest that the Senate has no role in this but there's a reason buried in that document that so many area men claim expertise on that the House takes the lead on budgetary concerns.


You know there are still challenges to the PPACA brewing? They're pointing to the fact that it's a tax for constitutional purposes, and crying foul because it didn't originate in the House.

Well, it did originate in the House as something completely different, but the Senate rewrote it. Conservatives only acknowledge that requirement when it seems remotely beneficial to their cause.
 
2013-03-03 09:01:14 AM

Mrtraveler01: To be fair, Obama made the mistake in thinking that the Republicans would act like rational adults and work with the Democrats to come to a compromise and avoid the sequester.

See, I can be critical of Obama too. ;)


So vote Republican.
 
2013-03-03 09:02:25 AM

StrikitRich: [nicedeb.files.wordpress.com image 362x286]

What Dr. No really looks like.

Hey Harry, how about passing a farking budget sometime this decade.



How about the House send them a bill that can pass the senate?  I mean, hell, the House Republicans had to vote NO on their own bill when the Democras all voted "present".
 
2013-03-03 09:05:04 AM

KeatingFive: StrikitRich: [nicedeb.files.wordpress.com image 362x286]

What Dr. No really looks like.

Hey Harry, how about passing a farking budget sometime this decade.


How about the House send them a bill that can pass the senate?  I mean, hell, the House Republicans had to vote NO on their own bill when the Democras all voted "present".


"It's the Senate Democrats fault that the House Republicans won't take their job seriously!"
 
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