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(CBS Chicago)   Teacher: "STFU". Student: "Blah blah blah". Teacher: Enjoy your duct tape   (chicago.cbslocal.com) divider line 120
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2013-03-03 12:16:42 AM
Princess Dempsey, a school board member with an incorrigible child is suing the teacher and the school board.

I'm certain her demon spawn didn't think it could get away with anything it wished to do because his mother was on the school board (and a Princess).

The kid will get over it.
 
2013-03-03 12:18:25 AM
FTA: "He would sing all the time and hoped to one day become a pop star," the filing says. Now, "(He) has become much more reserved, not wanting to leave the house and only spending time with his older brothers."


Could'a been a Michael Jackson.

Now doomed to a Donny Osmond lifestyle.

Sad.
 
2013-03-03 12:20:27 AM
Hero tag?
 
2013-03-03 01:23:21 AM
he is no longer the outgoing child he once was.

Mission Accomplished!
 
2013-03-03 01:43:22 AM
If a kid won't shut up, he goes to detention. If the kid won't shut up there, he goes home. Make education free, yet optional. The craving for society and other children will call the bad students back and keep them relatively in line. And if society backs it, we can even have an alternative labor camp for children who aren't allowed in the good classes. Have them pick up trash, mow lawns, and generally keep reminding them that people with college degrees don't have to mow lawns and pick up trash. If they like picking up trash and mowing lawns, introduce them to business management and machine maintenance. Vocational training is never a bad thing.
 
2013-03-03 02:03:58 AM
I guess Michelle Rhee really is making an impact on education.
 
2013-03-03 02:07:46 AM
There is not a teacher in this country who hasn't had the overwhelming urge to do this. The fact that this doesn't happen every day just shows the incredible restraint teachers have.

It's also why we drink.

/ex-teacher
 
2013-03-03 02:41:59 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: There is not a teacher in this country who hasn't had the overwhelming urge to do this. The fact that this doesn't happen every day just shows the incredible restraint teachers have.

It's also why we drink.

/ex-teacher


Teacher? Drink? Neverrrrrrrr.
 
2013-03-03 02:49:49 AM
Well, this is Chicago, not Florida, so at least the kid wasn't forced to unclog a toilet with his bare hands. Count your blessings, boy.
 
2013-03-03 03:54:04 AM
"He would sing all the time and hoped to one day become a pop star," the filing says.

There's nothing that duct tape  can't fix!
 
2013-03-03 04:06:33 AM
This teacher fails at proper discipline but then, so does this parent.
 
2013-03-03 04:07:50 AM
Send the parent a bill for the duck tape.
 
2013-03-03 04:08:46 AM
the boy has suffered anxiety attacks and nightmares since the Feb. 27, 2012, incident.

*cough* *cough* BULLshiat *cough* *cough*

Lawyers always find a way to make everything suck.  I mean, who hasn't wanted to duct tape a snotty, despondent 11-year-old's mouth shut?
 
2013-03-03 04:11:14 AM

IgG4: Hero tag?


Came here to suggest this for the teacher.

Thank you very much.
 
2013-03-03 04:14:46 AM
"It seeks more than $100,000 in damages, saying the boy has suffered anxiety attacks and nightmares since the Feb. 27, 2012, incident."

Bullshiat. Just some parents trying to make a quick buck.
 
2013-03-03 04:15:04 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: There is not a teacher in this country who hasn't had the overwhelming urge to do this. The fact that this doesn't happen every day just shows the incredible restraint teachers have.


This teacher lived the dream!

It's also why we drink.

/ex-teacher


Did you teach in Arizona?  If so, you have my complete understanding and sympathy.

/Arizona is where education goes to die
//just like the old people
 
2013-03-03 04:16:47 AM

ReapTheChaos: "It seeks more than $100,000 in damages, saying the boy has suffered anxiety attacks and nightmares since the Feb. 27, 2012, incident."

Bullshiat. Just some parents trying to make a quick buck.


Actually, this is probably true.  Authority is a scary thing if never encountered before. The kid will adjust.
 
2013-03-03 04:32:08 AM
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2013-03-03 04:41:03 AM
I don't care what the truth is, I don't believe anyone whose first name is Princess.
 
2013-03-03 04:46:44 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: There is not a teacher in this country who hasn't had the overwhelming urge to do this. The fact that this doesn't happen every day just shows the incredible restraint teachers have.

It's also why we drink.

/ex-teacher


Eldest sister is a teacher. She could write a few books filled with stories of disruptive little shiats with filthy mouths, delusions of grandeur about giving and receiving respect and how many students have a horribly skewed perspective on the importance of education due to their parents lucrative drug dealing practices. The only thing worse than these children is trying to deal with their parents and living in fear of losing her job due to student reviews. If you're an Art teacher or teach some other fun class it's a lot easier to get fairness on a review than it is for those who teach Math or English.
 
2013-03-03 05:07:51 AM
This is the child of a school board member, a pretty crucial fact.

I think there is more at work here, especially given the offers and counter offers of settlement.
 
2013-03-03 05:25:11 AM

doglover: Make education free, yet optional.


Education isn't a benefit for children, or for parents. It's mandatory because I don't want to live in a society fully of stupid people. And neither do you -- stop pretending your life would be better if there were fewer educated people in society.
 
2013-03-03 05:30:48 AM

Yogimus: Authority is a scary thing


Legitimately. It's not an artifact of limited exposure or a lack of wisdom -- the power of "authority" is a scary concept all by itself. It's scary enough to have motivated people to war (like the revolutionary war). Dismissing a fear of "authority" as childish/immature/etc. is the kind of thinking that only makes sense for those currently holding "authority".
 
2013-03-03 05:38:41 AM
Child of a school board member who assumes he can get away with anything, probably because mommy has the power to do just that and has no doubt done it before, gets his mouth duct taped.  Yeah, try as I might, I just can't feel any sympathy for the student.  And this kid is going to be a brat and the school admins are going to be unwilling to do anything about it because they don't want to bring the school board's wraith down upon them, even if they are justified in what they do and why they did it.

The kid, however, Mommy can't make him the star she and he thinks that he should be or already is.  And he's in for a real shock when he enters the working world and his super star ego gets him into trouble and is finds out that outside of school his mommy can't do shiat to save him.

I say let's look deeper into this and see if there aren't other times mommy abused her position to protect her little snow flake.
 
2013-03-03 05:40:48 AM
Tape over the mouth, meh fine by me.

Wrapping around the head so he loses a good bit of hair, not so much.
 
2013-03-03 05:42:54 AM

profplump: doglover: Make education free, yet optional.

Education isn't a benefit for children, or for parents. It's mandatory because I don't want to live in a society fully of stupid people. And neither do you -- stop pretending your life would be better if there were fewer educated people in society.


You haven't been paying attention to society, have you?  If we have to dumb down school any further English will be replaced by Grunting.

Also, there are few child-rearing problems that cannot be solved with duct tape.
 
2013-03-03 05:52:18 AM

fifthhorseman: If we have to dumb down school any further English will be replaced by Grunting.


I don't understand how that's contrary to my point. Education is a benefit for society, not for parents or their children. The fact that it's failing is a reflection on us, not on "kids these days".
 
2013-03-03 06:05:58 AM
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2013-03-03 06:13:18 AM
Is anyone gonna side with the mother?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Figured I'd check. Duct tape the mom too for failing to teach her little creature any manners.
 
2013-03-03 06:17:50 AM

profplump: fifthhorseman: If we have to dumb down school any further English will be replaced by Grunting.

I don't understand how that's contrary to my point. Education is a benefit for society, not for parents or their children. The fact that it's failing is a reflection on us, not on "kids these days".


I'm saying that you cannot make people value education.  We have performed the experiment of mandatory education, and it's failed.  Let us make education voluntary, so that the ones who show up for class actually want to learn.
 
2013-03-03 06:19:14 AM
Maybe little brats need a some pain and humiliation to learn that maybe teacher ain't farkin around
 
2013-03-03 06:19:21 AM
This is something most parents don't understand: your snowflake's success as a student begins once they are born, five years before they go to school. If you don't teach them basic civility, their teachers will have a tough time teaching them anything else.
 
2013-03-03 06:22:17 AM
While it's funny, and the lawsuit is bullshiat, I really don't think the teacher gets a pass on this one.
You JUST DON'T DO THAT to other people's kids.  Just send him to the principal's office and be done with it.
 
2013-03-03 06:22:50 AM
I distinctly remember one day at Baycrest public school, when the lunch ladies handed out chocolate wafers, of a multitude of colours (with a 'u' because Baycrest is in Toronto, Canada), you know, the kind you'd use if you were... i dunno.... making something out of chocolate... i guess..?

anyways, these lunch ladies, and, yes, the image you have in your head is correct, back in oh... aboot (again, because I'm Canadian) 1986, maybe 1987, tried to gain *complete* control of a cafeteria/gymnasium full of caf-tables full of elementary students. *One* of those students refused to sit down. It wasn't me, the ADHD kid. they taped him down to one of the benches, then dared the next kid to stand up. Nobody did.

In their defense, it was the eighties, and I think they used packing tape... still...  that and my grade two girlfriend remain my most vivid memories of Baycrest... good times...

Phrozen

/*sigh* I still sometimes wonder how Jessica is doing...
//probably better than me....
///...biatch...
////SLASHIES!!!
 
2013-03-03 06:23:42 AM
I forgot to mention that I turned out fine... dunno about the kid that got taped down, tho...

Phrozen
 
2013-03-03 06:42:52 AM
In Thailand they would just whack the kid with a bamboo stick.
 
2013-03-03 06:43:10 AM
Very worthy of a lawsuit. It sounds like a not-big-deal from our perspective, but remember that to a child, a school is like a prison. You cannot refuse to be duct-taped if a teacher chooses to do that. You cannot walk out of the classroom. You can't rally for help from a bystander. The teacher is the ultimate and only authority.

And while the idea of duct-taping someone sounds funny, the reality of having duct-taped wrapped around your head and feeling like you can't breathe for 45 minutes, crying in front of your peers, is one you have to try to imagine before judging the merits of a lawsuit, not to forget the physical assault of putting duct-tape on someone's hair and face and then tearing it off.

If this weren't a student, if this were about a mouthy wife, the article would be talking about false imprisonment and torture.

Plus you have to remember that all eggs crack differently. We don't know what his sensitivities were before this incident. To me this seems like an open-and-shut case. An exasperated teacher is one thing. An exasperated teacher that can't remember how to get out of a bad situation and makes a really stupid, cruel decision is another.

Frankly, when I was in school, it seemed to me it was the teachers who wouldn't shut up! Sitting through 7 50-minute lectures with 3 minutes breaks in between, and a 19 minute lunch is not something most adults could do again.

Now I'm not saying this teacher should be fired if she is remorseful and realized she really screwed up. But I know that a teacher's actions can be traumatizing. I suffered far less than this and it changed affected my identity. I can vividly remember teachers saying horrible things, and when you're young, it means a lot to you what some idiot adult thinks (in my case it was teachers that said really crappy things about being gay). Only as an adult now do I realize that my teacher was just some random person who got a job as a teacher, not some person I was supposed to look to as a moral authority on the world.
 
2013-03-03 06:53:57 AM
The kid was 11.  At 11, the kid should have learned how to stfu.  Don't give me ADHD or behavioral issues, because the teacher taught him how to STFU in ONE DAY. That means princess could have figured out a way to do it in 11 years.

100,000 in damages? No. You get nothing. A formal apology IF you win your case. Your kid learned an important lesson, one that will make him better equipped to deal with the real world, which will be hitting him in 3 or 4 years pretty hard.

Teacher was an idiot.  Parent is worthless.
 
2013-03-03 07:04:34 AM
That is not illegal In Chi-Town. Bobby Seale got the same in court.
 
2013-03-03 07:05:34 AM
swingerofbirches:

Now I'm not saying this teacher should be fired if she is remorseful and realized she really screwed up. But I know that a teacher's actions can be traumatizing. I suffered far less than this and it changed affected my identity. I can vividly remember teachers saying horrible things, and when you're young, it means a lot to you what some idiot adult thinks (in my case it was teachers that said really crappy things about being gay).

Teachers are people too, they bring their own baggage and life experiences to the classroom.  Nobody's perfect
 
2013-03-03 07:07:57 AM
Here is the thing... Those that wont be taught WILL be trained.
 
2013-03-03 07:15:10 AM

TwowheelinTim: IgG4: Hero tag?

Came here to suggest this for the teacher.

Thank you very much.


Thirded
 
2013-03-03 07:20:24 AM

Somacandra: This is the child of a school board member, a pretty crucial fact.

I think there is more at work here, especially given the offers and counter offers of settlement.



Yes - crucial in that it is someone who knows how to work the system. The offers and counter offers were Princess' attempt at shaking down the school board.
 
2013-03-03 07:20:37 AM

MNguy: swingerofbirches:

Now I'm not saying this teacher should be fired if she is remorseful and realized she really screwed up. But I know that a teacher's actions can be traumatizing. I suffered far less than this and it changed affected my identity. I can vividly remember teachers saying horrible things, and when you're young, it means a lot to you what some idiot adult thinks (in my case it was teachers that said really crappy things about being gay).

Teachers are people too, they bring their own baggage and life experiences to the classroom.  Nobody's perfect


Yes, that's true. But we also control ourselves. If the student had baggage to the extent that he needed to duct-tape a teacher, and somehow had the authority to do so, would we find it acceptable?

I have baggage, too. It doesn't make me duct-taping annoying people acceptable. That's where I'm not quite understanding your argument, and I think it speaks to my argument that we treat children worse than adults. A frustrated parent is allowed to hit a child, but not vice versa. It's not a matter of not understanding the frustration. It's a matter of saying in most other contexts, we wouldn't excuse the action based on the frustration.
 
2013-03-03 07:29:54 AM

swingerofbirches: Very worthy...

[snip]

Well said.
 
2013-03-03 07:33:12 AM
swingerofbirches:

Yes, that's true. But we also control ourselves. If the student had baggage to the extent that he needed to duct-tape a teacher, and somehow had the authority to do so, would we find it acceptable?

I have baggage, too. It doesn't make me duct-taping annoying people acceptable. That's where I'm not quite understanding your argument, and I think it speaks to my argument that we treat children worse than adults. A frustrated parent is allowed to hit a child, but not vice versa. It's not a matter of not understanding the frustration. It's a matter of saying in most other contexts, we wouldn't excuse the action based on the frustration.



Of course not.  I work with EBD kids and I get frustrated daily.  No kid should ever get hit but I understand why sometimes.
 
2013-03-03 07:35:26 AM
Based on the results with this kid, I suggest a mandatory duct tape wrapping of anyone getting in line for American Idol auditions.
 
2013-03-03 08:10:46 AM

laststarfighter: Based on the results with this kid, I suggest a mandatory duct tape wrapping of anyone getting in line for American Idol auditions.


See her lawsuit will fail because she left American Idol off the list.  They caused the teacher to do her Simon Cowell impersonation.

Simon Cowell brand tape, found in the hearing protection section.
 
2013-03-03 08:18:17 AM

swingerofbirches: Very worthy of a lawsuit. It sounds like a not-big-deal from our perspective, but remember that to a child, a school is like a prison. You cannot refuse to be duct-taped if a teacher chooses to do that. You cannot walk out of the classroom. You can't rally for help from a bystander. The teacher is the ultimate and only authority.



Yes, and a big part of what being an authority means is that the teacher has both the power and a duty to discipline those who break the rules and disrupt the classroom. The kid was warned that he was in violation of those rules, the kid still chose to mouth off. Kid got smacked down hard, as well he should. Don't like it? Tough. Learn to deal with it, and don't do it again.
 
2013-03-03 08:29:36 AM
"He would sing all the time and hoped to one day become a pop star,"

Translation: He would walk around making up inane rap lyrics about being a badass gangsta. He would often translate these lyrics into real life actions, and thought that "respect" meant he could go around doing whatever he wanted, and if anyone tried to stop him, they were "disrespecting" him.

The teacher respectfully disagreed.
 
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