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2013-03-02 05:55:14 PM
Wait, that's not possible. The Democrats control 87% of the state legislature in Massachusetts. It should be the greatest state in the history of the union for that reason.
 
2013-03-02 06:43:19 PM
The entire country is a murder-free zone, but they keep happening.

Clearly, we shouldn't bother to have laws against murder.
 
2013-03-02 07:46:53 PM

kmmontandon: The entire country is a murder-free zone, but they keep happening.

Clearly, we shouldn't bother to have laws against murder.


They can't hear you, too busy masturbating to Red Dawn on VHS.
 
2013-03-02 08:44:05 PM

kmmontandon: The entire country is a murder-free zone, but they keep happening.

Clearly, we shouldn't bother to have laws against murder.


Apples, meet oranges.
 
2013-03-02 08:44:29 PM

mikemoto: Wait, that's not possible. The Democrats control 87% of the state legislature in Massachusetts. It should be the greatest state in the history of the union for that reason.


It's education system is pretty good... And by pretty good I mean it's the best in the country.

Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?
 
2013-03-02 08:46:46 PM
FTA: On Wednesday night, a suspect described as a black man in his 20′s, about 5-feet-8 inches to 6-feet-1 inches tall, medium build and wearing a hoodie made his way to the second floor of the Eliot School of Fine and Applied Arts.

a.abcnews.com
"This wouldn't have happened if I had been there to help"
 
2013-03-02 08:47:13 PM
Has there ever been a graph to determine how many of the homicides every year are not involved with gangs/drugs? Legislating semi-automatic rifles and magazines in terms of gun violence is like legislating against only silver tequila to combat drunk driving. It's all a show and Obama went as far as he knows he'll get with the EO's he put in, take that as a victory and go be morally superior on some other topic.
 
2013-03-02 08:49:46 PM

tylerdurden217: Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?


The second amendment is working pretty well here, as is my education from Massachusetts. It taught me how to think critically.

For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!
 
2013-03-02 08:50:49 PM

tylerdurden217: t's education system is pretty good... And by pretty good I mean it's the best in the country.


Source? A cursory Google search yielded this as a top result and I'm not seeing it... Then again, I took Boston-area as something that would be considered in Massachusetts.
 
2013-03-02 08:56:06 PM
It's a shame that criminals don't follow laws.
 
2013-03-02 08:57:21 PM

MisterTweak: kmmontandon: The entire country is a murder-free zone, but they keep happening.

Clearly, we shouldn't bother to have laws against murder.

They can't hear you, too busy masturbating to Red Dawn on VHS.


VHS? Did they grow tired of flipping the laserdisc?
 
2013-03-02 08:58:52 PM

bmihura: tylerdurden217: Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?

The second amendment is working pretty well here, as is my education from Massachusetts. It taught me how to think critically.

For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!


The movie theater shootings didn't. Nor did the LA shootout with the bank robbers with assault weapons.
 
2013-03-02 08:59:11 PM
At least he wasn't robbed and shot.
 
2013-03-02 09:03:24 PM

kmmontandon: The entire country is a murder-free zone, but they keep happening.

Clearly, we shouldn't bother to have laws against murder.


You do realize the difference between an intimate object and taken action to kill someone.... right?
 
2013-03-02 09:05:29 PM

Publikwerks: The movie theater shootings didn't. Nor did the LA shootout with the bank robbers with assault weapons.


Ummm... Cinemark theater chain has an express 'gun-free zone' policy.

I'm pretty sure banks are a gun-free zone in Cali...
 
2013-03-02 09:07:47 PM

Publikwerks: bmihura: tylerdurden217: Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?

The second amendment is working pretty well here, as is my education from Massachusetts. It taught me how to think critically.

For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!

The movie theater shootings didn't. Nor did the LA shootout with the bank robbers with assault weapons.


Supermarket parking lot where Gabby Giffords was shot. And of course, some mass shootings like Columbine occurred in places where there were armed guards.

Critical thinking is hard when your facts are wrong, see.
 
2013-03-02 09:08:26 PM

Publikwerks: bmihura: tylerdurden217: Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?

The second amendment is working pretty well here, as is my education from Massachusetts. It taught me how to think critically.

For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!

The movie theater shootings didn't. Nor did the LA shootout with the bank robbers with assault weapons.


The movie theater shooting in Aurora actually was in a "gun free zone".
 
2013-03-02 09:08:42 PM

MichiganFTL: Publikwerks: The movie theater shootings didn't. Nor did the LA shootout with the bank robbers with assault weapons.

Ummm... Cinemark theater chain has an express 'gun-free zone' policy.

I'm pretty sure banks are a gun-free zone in Cali...


The LA shootout wasn't a mass shooting.
 
2013-03-02 09:09:38 PM
Yes, "gun free" zones are stupid and useless.  Is that Subby's point or is it something else?  Something more derptastic?
 
2013-03-02 09:09:49 PM
He used a gun? THE OUTRAGE! IT BURNS LIKE FIRE!
 
2013-03-02 09:11:07 PM
the sirens go doo doo
doo dooooooooo!

media.npr.org
 
2013-03-02 09:14:22 PM

mikemoto: Wait, that's not possible. The Democrats control 87% of the state legislature in Massachusetts. It should be the greatest state in the history of the union for that reason.


It is, thank you!
 
2013-03-02 09:15:24 PM

ghare: Publikwerks: bmihura: tylerdurden217: Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?

The second amendment is working pretty well here, as is my education from Massachusetts. It taught me how to think critically.

For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!

The movie theater shootings didn't. Nor did the LA shootout with the bank robbers with assault weapons.

Supermarket parking lot where Gabby Giffords was shot. And of course, some mass shootings like Columbine occurred in places where there were armed guards.

Critical thinking is hard when your facts are wrong, see.


As has already been pointed out, the theater that the Aurora shooter chose prohibited guns.  In the case of Columbine, that happened there simply because the kids went to school there.  I don't think gun-free or not gun-free was a factor.
 
2013-03-02 09:19:44 PM
And Mumbles Menino will still, in his infinite lack of wisdom, assume that a situation like this can only be solved by enacting more laws.

Has there even been a more ignorant and illogical person than an anti-gunner? No, there really hasn't.
 
2013-03-02 09:20:30 PM

Wise_Guy: ghare: Publikwerks: bmihura: tylerdurden217: Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?

The second amendment is working pretty well here, as is my education from Massachusetts. It taught me how to think critically.

For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!

The movie theater shootings didn't. Nor did the LA shootout with the bank robbers with assault weapons.

Supermarket parking lot where Gabby Giffords was shot. And of course, some mass shootings like Columbine occurred in places where there were armed guards.

Critical thinking is hard when your facts are wrong, see.

As has already been pointed out, the theater that the Aurora shooter chose prohibited guns.  In the case of Columbine, that happened there simply because the kids went to school there.  I don't think gun-free or not gun-free was a factor.


A mass shooting happened where there were armed guards. Obviously everyone should have been armed.

But whatever, I know, I know, gun worshippers will have their way, Americans will sacrifice children for the right to protect ourselves from zombie king george III, and reasonable restrictions on firearms means the end of the Republic (zombie king george again i guess).
 
2013-03-02 09:21:09 PM

bmihura: For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!


For a shooting to be declared a mass shooting, it must first be determined that the shooting occurred in a gun-free zone.  Otherwise it's just a shooting.
 
2013-03-02 09:22:09 PM

enik: And Mumbles Menino will still, in his infinite lack of wisdom, assume that a situation like this can only be solved by enacting more laws.

Has there even been a more ignorant and illogical person than an anti-gunner? No, there really hasn't.


Yes, sweetie, we all need guns, all the time, lots of guns, nothing else will make us safe. From all the guns.

/You must be really scared about mental health checks for gun ownership.
 
2013-03-02 09:23:48 PM
www.angelfire.lycos.com

Illegally possessed a gun, but never used it.  Still killed 168 people, including 19 kids under the age of 6.
Number of people clamoring to ban fertilizer and diesel fuel from school grounds (or anywhere else):  0

Tell me again how guns are the problem so I can laugh harder.

What I would really like to do is to put those whiny parents from Newtown that Obama pimped to the country the other day in a room with the parents of the kids who died in Oklahoma City and see if the Newtown parents can convince the OKC parents that gun laws will save lives.
 
2013-03-02 09:24:43 PM
Farked.  It is a pic of Timothy McVeigh...not going to be assed to rehost it.  Here is a link though.
 
2013-03-02 09:25:24 PM
New Year's Eve 1972 to 7 January 1973 - Mark James Robert Essex killed 9 (including 5 police officers) and wounded 13 more (including 5 more officers), starting his spree by attacking a New Orleans Police Department jail facility.

So we have several mass (4 or more at once) and/or spree (2 or more in 2 or more locations) shootings that turned out to be a lot more than I expected. Mass shootings in the homes were often in homes where gun ownership was known. 

Plenty of mass and/or spree shootings occur in non-gun-free zones. Don't be fooled into believing that gun-free zones are the primary targets of the shooters. This does not seem to be the case. More often than not, the location of the shooting, gun-free or not, is where the shooter has had problems or is a location of a person or people where the shooter has had problems. Most notable exceptions would be robbery-type events where the robber(s) and victim(s) don't necessarily even known one another. Plus, there are some additional truly random events in the sense that the shooter has no association with the victims at all. Obviously, these types of situations can happen to virtually anyone and seemingly in very random places.

1975 - Easter Sunday Massacre - James Urban Ruppert murdered 11 family members in his mother's house at 635 Minor Avenue in Hamilton, Ohio.

1982 - George Emil Banks, a former Camp Hill prison guard, shot 13 people to death in Wilkes-Barre City and Jenkins Township, Pennsylvania, including five of his own children. 

1985 - Springfield Mall, PA, Sylvia Seegrist killed 3, injured 7, was stopped by unarmed mall store employee who thought her gun wasn't real.

1987 - Ronald Gene Simmons, Sr., (July 15, 1940 - June 25, 1990) was a retired United States Air Force master sergeant who killed 16 people over a weeklong period in 1987. Fourteen of the victims were members of his family, including a daughter he had sexually abused and the child he had fathered with her. He also wounded four others, Arkansas.

1993 - Branch Davidians mass murder of numerous members in compound by firearm to prevent flight when building caught on fire. Autopsy records indicate that at least 20 Davidians were shot, including five children under the age of 14.

2000 - Whicita Horror/Massacre, spree perpetrated by brothers Reginald and Jonathan Carr, killing 5 and wounding a 5th over a period several days including committing assault, rape, and robbery.

2004 Chai Soua Vang, a 35-year-old Hmong immigrant and naturalized U.S. citizen, shot eight people while deer hunting east of Birchwood in northern Wisconsin.

2004 - McKinney, Texas, three robbers (Eddie Williams, Javier Cortez, and Raul Cortez) killed a check cashing store employee, her nephew, and his two friends in the home of the employee, Rosa Barbosa.

2005 - Seven people were killed and four wounded when Terry Michael Ratzmann opened fire at a Living Church of God service at the Sheraton Hotel in Brookfield. Ratzmann, a 44-year-old computer technician, then committed suicide (Wisconsin) (hotel not posted).

2005 - Tacoma Mall, Dominick Maldonado injured 6, then kidnapped 4. CCW responded by yelling at Maldonado, but with no gun deployed. The CCW was subsequently shot multiple times.

2005 - Courthouse Square, Tyler, Texas, David Hernandez Arroyo Sr. killing 2 and wounding 4. Mark Wilson responded from his residence above the square and was killed after wounding Arroyo and being credited with saving lives. As this happened outside of the courthouse, Arroyo expected law enforcement and wore a fragmentation vest and ballistic vest.

2006 - The Hamilton Avenue Murders is the colloquial name for the mass murder of seven people in a house at 560 North Hamilton Avenue in Indianapolis, Indiana by James Stewart and Desmond Turner during a murder-robbery.

2007 - Six were killed in Delavan when Ambrosio Analco entered an upper flat and shot his twin infant boys, his estranged wife, her sister and a friend. Analco, 23, then shot and killed himself (Wisconsin).

2007 - a woman and her boyfriend shot dead six members of her family on Christmas Eve in Carnation, Washington. 

2007 - Youth with a Mission Center and New Life Church shootings by Matthew J. Murray (Colorado), killing 2 and injuring 2 at YWAM and later that day killing 3 (including self) and injuring 3 at New Life. Before the suicide, was shot by former police officer and volunteer security for the church). 

2008 - Dallas' LBJ Freeway Shooting Spree happened 3 days before Christmas. Jorge Lopez and William Scott Miller were killed by former Utah highway patrolman Brian Smith. Smith attempted to shoot people in several vehicles, injuring at least two others. He later shot himself and died the next day.

2008 - Skagit County Shooting Spree, Isaac Zamora killed 6 including a deputy and injured two more during a shooting spree near his home and during a high speed chase on I-5.

2008 - Santa Claus (Jeffrey Pardo) opened fire at a party of his exwife and ex-inlaws in Covina, CA, set the house on fire, committed suicide (8+1).

2009 - Lakewood, WA, four cops killed in coffee shop by Maurice Clemmons.

2009 - Pittsburgh, PA 3 cops killed and 2 wounded by Richard Poplawski who ambushed officers arriving on scene for a domestic dispute. Cops fired more than 600 rounds at Poplawski who was wearing a ballistic vest.

2009 - Michael Kenneth McLendon went on a shooting spree spanning 2 counties in southern Alabama, killing 10 other than himself. Along the way, he shot at various people and vehicles and even stories such as Wal-mart and Piggly Wiggly.

2009 - Cathouse Murders where 4 people were shot and killed including 2 pregnant women (making 6 murders), purportedly by Denny Edward Phillips and 3 accomplices, Oklahoma City, OK.

2009 - Six killed in apartment building in Santa Clara, CA.

2009 - Carthage, NC, Robert Stewart killed 8 in nursing home shooting (where his wife worked) and 3 officers were injured as well. 

2009 - Six people, including one student, were shot in a drive-by shooting at a community rally on the campus of Texas Southern University, Houston. (outside areas, streets, etc. not gun-free zones).

2010 - Christopher Speight killed 8 in Virginia home.

2011 - Giffords shooting, Tucson, AZ. Jared Loughner opened fire, killing 6, wounding 13, plus there was 1 additional non-gunfire injury that resulted. CCW person responded to late to be of any use with a gun.

2011 - Mass shooting of family in Wheatland, WY by Everett Conant, killing his 3 sons, brother, and wounding his wife.

2011 - Eduardo Sencion killed 5 (including self), wounded 7 at a Carson City, NV IHOP.

2011 - Copley Community, Ohio, Michael E. Hance, killed 7 in two houses. All were shot in the head.

2011 - Detroit Police Station, Lamar Moore opened fire from in front of the counter, then hopped the counter, shooting 4 officers (none died).

2012 - Binh Thai Luc killed 5 in a home robbery in San Francisco.

2012 - Café Racer, Ian Stawicki killed 4 and wounded the chef before leaving and later attempting to carjack a woman, killing her.

Sure, there are mass/spree shootings in gun-free zones and some have definitely been horrific and of very large scale such as UT and VT school shootings and the media loves these events, but lesser known mass/spree shootings also happen quite a bit too.If you enjoyed reading about "Gun-Free Zone Pseudo Myths" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join
 
2013-03-02 09:25:53 PM

bmihura: tylerdurden217: Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?

The second amendment is working pretty well here, as is my education from Massachusetts. It taught me how to think critically.

For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!


Pretty much true. Most gun deaths involve just a single person, and by far the most likely person to be killed is the person who owns the gun. But how the heck can you sell a middle-aged suburbanite a gun if you dwell on things like this:

Fact: If you own a gun, it is more likely to cause your own death than any other individual.

Fact: Your spouse is the second most likely person to be killed with your firearm.

Fact: Your child(ren) are the next most likely person(s) to be killed by your own weapon. But lest you think I would overlook your contribution to your community,

Fact: Your friends/neighbors and their children are right behind your own family when it comes to "most likely to be killed by your weapon".

The second amendment isn't supposed to be pretty, or beneficial, any more than the right to free speech, religion, or soiling yourself, Ted Nugent-esque, in a crowded elevator. I don't need to pretend porn is good in order to own it, it's my right to and anyone who doesn't like it can eat shiat and bark at the moon. I don't need to show that I'm improving society by calling (insert politician/public figure/anyone at all here) a jackass; I don't need to, it is my right. Man up, and stop putting lipstick on the pig.
 
2013-03-02 09:27:22 PM

mikemoto: Wait, that's not possible. The Democrats control 87% of the state legislature in Massachusetts. It should be the greatest state in the history of the union for that reason.


Wait...Mississippi has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the country.  But that can't be right, it also has the highest abstinence-only educational system!
 
2013-03-02 09:27:33 PM
Question: can anyone give an example of an acknowledged non-'gun free' zone that actually served to prevent, heck, even just reduce, the fatalities in mass shooting?
 
2013-03-02 09:30:16 PM
So I guess the point that is being made is that gun free or not gun free, it doesn't matter? Why have gun free zones?
 
2013-03-02 09:36:26 PM
Of course I assume, firearms are prohibited, I can't seem to find the gun policy of Eliot School of Fine and Applied Arts.  It seems to be a private non-profit school for adults which also offers classes after hours and on weekends to children.
 
2013-03-02 09:48:30 PM

MikeSass: Illegally possessed a gun, but never used it.  Still killed 168 people, including 19 kids under the age of 6.
Number of people clamoring to ban fertilizer and diesel fuel from school grounds (or anywhere else):  0

Tell me again how guns are the problem so I can laugh harder.

What I would really like to do is to put those whiny parents from Newtown that Obama pimped to the country the other day in a room with the parents of the kids who died in Oklahoma City and see if the Newtown parents can convince the OKC parents that gun laws will save lives.


Try buying a large quantity of ammonium nitrite (something that was considered completely innocuous before McVeigh) without a license and see who comes knocking on your door.
So yeah, regulations change after atrocities. Unless it involves guns. Because of pants wetting putzes like you.
This is why the TSA has to dump nail clippers and Purell bottles by the dumptruck load. Also because of pants wetting putzes like you seeing bad guys behind every bush.
 
2013-03-02 09:54:45 PM

kmmontandon: The entire country is a murder-free zone, but they keep happening.

Clearly, we shouldn't bother to have laws against murder.


Okay, I'll bite.

Let's make causing injury to someone a super-crime in certain areas, with it so illegal to hurt someone that you're not even allowed to do it in self-defense. We'll then wonder why people keep getting attacked in these areas, since it means that if they report the crime the 

dstrick44: MikeSass: Illegally possessed a gun, but never used it.  Still killed 168 people, including 19 kids under the age of 6.
Number of people clamoring to ban fertilizer and diesel fuel from school grounds (or anywhere else):  0

Tell me again how guns are the problem so I can laugh harder.

What I would really like to do is to put those whiny parents from Newtown that Obama pimped to the country the other day in a room with the parents of the kids who died in Oklahoma City and see if the Newtown parents can convince the OKC parents that gun laws will save lives.

Try buying a large quantity of ammonium nitrite (something that was considered completely innocuous before McVeigh) without a license and see who comes knocking on your door.
So yeah, regulations change after atrocities. Unless it involves guns. Because of pants wetting putzes like you.
This is why the TSA has to dump nail clippers and Purell bottles by the dumptruck load. Also because of pants wetting putzes like you seeing bad guys behind every bush.


"The only way we can beat terrorists is by being afraid of everything!"
 
2013-03-02 09:55:54 PM

Publikwerks: bmihura: tylerdurden217: Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?

The second amendment is working pretty well here, as is my education from Massachusetts. It taught me how to think critically.

For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!

The movie theater shootings didn't. Nor did the LA shootout with the bank robbers with assault weapons.


Movie theater: Only movie theater out of 7 within 20 minutes of his home that had a sign telling people not to bring their concealed carry weapons into the theater.
Your move.
 
2013-03-02 09:57:00 PM

ghare: Wise_Guy: ghare: Publikwerks: bmihura: tylerdurden217: Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?

The second amendment is working pretty well here, as is my education from Massachusetts. It taught me how to think critically.

For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!

The movie theater shootings didn't. Nor did the LA shootout with the bank robbers with assault weapons.

Supermarket parking lot where Gabby Giffords was shot. And of course, some mass shootings like Columbine occurred in places where there were armed guards.

Critical thinking is hard when your facts are wrong, see.

As has already been pointed out, the theater that the Aurora shooter chose prohibited guns.  In the case of Columbine, that happened there simply because the kids went to school there.  I don't think gun-free or not gun-free was a factor.

A mass shooting happened where there were armed guards. Obviously everyone should have been armed.

But whatever, I know, I know, gun worshippers will have their way, Americans will sacrifice children for the right to protect ourselves from zombie king george III, and reasonable restrictions on firearms means the end of the Republic (zombie king george again i guess).


I don't pretend to speak for every gun owner, but it all depends on what one considers reasonable.  I live in NY where a new assault rifle ban is in the works.  I have an old M1 carbine that I inherited that falls under the new ban simply because it has a bayonet lug.

I can understand high-capacity magazine bans and background checks and all that.
 
2013-03-02 09:58:47 PM
"On Wednesday night, a suspect described as a black man in his 20′s, about 5-feet-8 inches to 6-feet-1 inches tall, medium build and wearing a hoodie A GUN made his way to the second floor of the Eliot School of Fine and Applied Arts."


Teacher was robbed by A GUN!!!


/It's all the farkers see!
 
2013-03-02 10:00:29 PM
ghare: Wise_Guy: ghare: Publikwerks: bmihura: tylerdurden217: Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?

The second amendment is working pretty well here, as is my education from Massachusetts. It taught me how to think critically.

For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!

The movie theater shootings didn't. Nor did the LA shootout with the bank robbers with assault weapons.

Supermarket parking lot where Gabby Giffords was shot. And of course, some mass shootings like Columbine occurred in places where there were armed guards.

Critical thinking is hard when your facts are wrong, see.

As has already been pointed out, the theater that the Aurora shooter chose prohibited guns.  In the case of Columbine, that happened there simply because the kids went to school there.  I don't think gun-free or not gun-free was a factor.

A mass shooting happened where there were armed guards. Obviously everyone should have been armed.

But whatever, I know, I know, gun worshippers will have their way, Americans will sacrifice children for the right to protect ourselves from zombie king george III, and reasonable restrictions on firearms means the end of the Republic (zombie king george again i guess).


So, there needs to be a reasonable restriction on firearm ownership. However, the two vocal sides of the argument are "nobody but cops and criminals get to have guns" and "I want a rocket launcher!" So tell me, what do you think of the following compromise.

"No application of restriction upon the ability to keep and bear arms shall exceed the application of restrictions placed upon those engaged in law enforcement within the state."

There you go. If the police are allowed to have concealed carry wherever they go, so are the law abiding citizens. If the citizenry are restricted to 7 round magazines, so are the police. The police can't have rocket launchers, so you can't have rocket launchers.
This standard has a few key selling points
1. It allows gun laws to vary by state.
2. It adapts over time to new technologies.
3. There has yet to be an argument in favor of the police having superior force to law abiding citizens that does not place the police outside the group labeled 'law abiding citizens.'
 
2013-03-02 10:02:28 PM

Securitywyrm: Movie theater: Only movie theater out of 7 within 20 minutes of his home that had a sign telling people not to bring their concealed carry weapons into the theater.
Your move.



LOL!

Link??

Thanks.
 
2013-03-02 10:02:49 PM
"We're now announcing that schools are murder free zones." "But... murder is already illegal." "Yes but now it's super-illegal in school zones. You get triple death penalty!"
 
2013-03-02 10:14:52 PM
The National Self-Defense Survey-one of the most comprehensive studies of U.S. firearms and violence ever done-conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994 found the following:• The rate of defensive gun use can be projected nationwide to be approximately 2.5M per year-one defensive gun use for every 13 seconds.

• Among 15.7% of gun defenders interviewed nationwide during the National Self Defense Survey the defender believed that someone "almost certainly" would have diedhad the gun not been used for protection-a life saved by a privately held gun about once every 1.3 minutes. In another 14.2% ofcases the defender believed someone "probably" would have died if the gun hadn't been used in defense.

• In 83.5% of these successful gun defensesthe attacker either threatened or used force first-disproving the longstanding myth that legal gun owners are more likely to initiateviolence.

• In 91.7% of these incidents the defensive use of a gun did not wound or kill the criminal attacker. In 64.2% of these gun defensecases the police learned of the defense, which means that the media could also find out and report on them if they chose to.

• In 73.4% of these gun-defense incidents, the attacker was a stranger to the intended victim. Defenses against a family member or intimate were rare-well under 10%. This disproves the myth that a gun kept for defense will most likely be used against a family member or someone you love.

• In over half of these gun-defense incidents the defender was facing two or more attackers-and three or more attackers in over 25% of these cases. No means of defenseother than a firearm-martial arts, pepper spray or stun guns-gives a potential victim a decent chance of getting away uninjured whenfacing multiple attackers.

• In 79.7% of these gun defenses the defender used a concealable handgun. 25% of gun defenses occurred away from the defender's home.
- See more at: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=7816#sthash.IYCWfHGO.dpuf
 
2013-03-02 10:18:32 PM

eggrolls: Question: can anyone give an example of an acknowledged non-'gun free' zone that actually served to prevent, heck, even just reduce, the fatalities in mass shooting?


There was a story about a shooting that was stopped in san antonio by a bystander who was armed.  I'm too lazy to look up the actual story.
 
2013-03-02 10:20:07 PM

kmmontandon: The entire country is a murder-free zone, but they keep happening.

Clearly, we shouldn't bother to have laws against murder.


The better analogy is that since murder is illegal but it keeps happening we need to know every where you are during every minute of the day so we can more easily place you at the scene of the murder.

Or we need to make people illegal, since the lowest common denominator of all murders is at a minimum, two people.
 
2013-03-02 10:22:30 PM

potterydove: eggrolls: Question: can anyone give an example of an acknowledged non-'gun free' zone that actually served to prevent, heck, even just reduce, the fatalities in mass shooting?

There was a story about a shooting that was stopped in san antonio by a bystander who was armed.  I'm too lazy to look up the actual story.


And the church security guard who shot the perp before he made it inside,

And the MP who stopped the fort hood terrorist.

And pretty much every gun show ever.....because to the best of my knowledge no one ever tried to rob a room full of armed gun dealers.

And there was that gun store in Texas where three guys smashed a truck through the wall, and the owner grabbed an AR-15 and killed a couple of them before the last one ran off. ....
 
2013-03-02 10:28:24 PM

Securitywyrm: Publikwerks: bmihura: tylerdurden217: Keep worshiping the second amendment... How's that working out for you?

The second amendment is working pretty well here, as is my education from Massachusetts. It taught me how to think critically.

For example: All mass shootings in United States history (outside of war, of course) have occurred in gun-free zones. Yes, even Fort Hood!

The movie theater shootings didn't. Nor did the LA shootout with the bank robbers with assault weapons.

Movie theater: Only movie theater out of 7 within 20 minutes of his home that had a sign telling people not to bring their concealed carry weapons into the theater.
Your move.


Attacks characterized as mass shootings happen more often than reported, because the only qualifying statistic is the number of victims. It may be true that all the FAMOUS mass shootings happened at gun free zones, but it is more likely that most of them happen as a part of drug violence and gang activity in Chicago and Detroit and LA.
 
2013-03-02 10:35:36 PM
There have been less than 400 deaths attributed to mass shootings in the last 20 years, lightning kills over 3 times that amount. It's a statistical improbability to be killed by either, and to punish the vast majority or legal gun owners for such a rare event is asinine. The fact of the matter is that mass shooting are over reported.

Disenfranchised young men now know that a very easy way to have their voice be heard, to be noticed, to be famous is to get a gun and start shooting. The media is only to eager to plaster their name all over the news with 24 hour coverage, talking about their motivations, their life, every single facet. But yes, blame guns and the millions of gun owners that don't commit a single violent crime each year... that's much more reasonable.
 
2013-03-02 10:36:39 PM

kmmontandon: The entire country is a murder-free zone, but they keep happening.

Clearly, we shouldn't bother to have laws against murder.


So you mean laws are already in place to PROHIBIT all violence gun or not, and they don't work?

Clearly we need to make up another law, stat! one more ought to do it, then the criminals will all go "OHH, I GET IT! Crime is bad!" and stop being criminals...

Laws do not prohibit crime, they exist so that the state can punish individuals who break our social codes, and legally call it justice.

Self defense exists to prohibit crime. Its the way you keep a crime from happening in the first place.
 
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