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2013-03-02 07:49:26 PM  
What if the criminals are going around locking everything up?
 
2013-03-02 08:28:25 PM  
If I was a mayor of a city with an extreme crime problem, I would advertise classes like this, absolutely. I would also thoroughly check out any individual who took the class, and keep their names\prints in a database.

I'd also hold gun-cleaning classes, and fake-ID classes.
 
2013-03-02 08:29:26 PM  
Who picked Quan's 'lock' and stole her brain?
 
2013-03-02 08:30:23 PM  
What a TOOOL
 
2013-03-02 08:35:39 PM  
Comparing it to an IED class is beyond foolish but the class is still a dumb idea.

Youths don't need to learn lockpicking unless they're aspiring locksmiths.

Though I learned how to pick locks and I see no problem with it, it's not something we need to push people towards learning.
 
2013-03-02 08:38:52 PM  
For f*ck's sake not only is this a repeat, it's still stupid.

Lockpicking classes are not something that actual thieves or burglars take. They are typically hobbyist-oriented affairs that allow people who are interested in problem solving and the actual mechanics of modern locks take.  Any criminal that bothered to take a lockpicking class would realize that picking a lock is absolutely never the fastest, best or more sensible way to bypass a lock.

Those methods are typically referred to as "a hammer" or "bolt cutters".
 
2013-03-02 08:41:14 PM  

A Shambling Mound: For f*ck's sake not only is this a repeat, it's still stupid.

Lockpicking classes are not something that actual thieves or burglars take. They are typically hobbyist-oriented affairs that allow people who are interested in problem solving and the actual mechanics of modern locks take.  Any criminal that bothered to take a lockpicking class would realize that picking a lock is absolutely never the fastest, best or more sensible way to bypass a lock.

Those methods are typically referred to as "a hammer" or "bolt cutters".


While I agree with you, it's a bit of a political foolish thing to do.

Next:  How to get jeans off a struggling woman.
 
2013-03-02 08:41:55 PM  
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I'm waiting for the cyber age. Go ahead and search me, you'll never find my... finger.
 
2013-03-02 08:42:00 PM  
Next thing you know, they'll have classes on Disarming Traps, Climbing Walls & Moving Silently
 
2013-03-02 08:50:36 PM  
"Cooking with Weed" and "Drankology" were both full, and I need the street credits.
 
2013-03-02 08:56:38 PM  

UseUrHeadFred: Next thing you know, they'll have classes on Disarming Traps, Climbing Walls & Moving Silently


10 nerd points to hufflepuff!

/or whatever.
 
2013-03-02 08:58:09 PM  
Why would anyone need a $40 class to pick locks? They don't have the internet in Oakland?
 
2013-03-02 09:11:19 PM  
Ranked-choice voting put this clown in office. She was almost nobody's first choice, and few people's second choice, but by process of elimination, she beat the two front-runners. She never expected to actually win, has been in way over her head from Day 1, and at least half the fiascos that have landed Oakland in the news in the last few years can be laid squarely at her feet.

Oakland's 2010 Mayoral election is Exhibit A in why ranked-choice voting, while a significant money-saver in races with multiple candidates, is a really bad idea.

I'd say I can't wait until 2014, but unless ranked-choice is jettisoned (or voters learn how to properly game it by voting only for 1 or 2 candidates instead of 3), there's a better-than-even chance we'll end up with someone just as unqualified and unprepared next time too.

When voters here approved ranked-choice voting, they didn't understand what they were getting themselves into.
 
2013-03-02 09:22:58 PM  

ISO15693: If I was a mayor of a city with an extreme crime problem, I would advertise classes like this, absolutely. I would also thoroughly check out any individual who took the class, and keep their names\prints in a database.

I'd also hold gun-cleaning classes, and fake-ID classes.


One of these things is not like the other.
 
2013-03-02 09:32:59 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Why would anyone need a $40 class to pick locks? They don't have the internet in Oakland?


They probably thought it said an "E-40" class and signed up.
"In a Major Way" was a very influential album back in the day.

We do have the internet in Oakland, but it never works on time.
 
2013-03-02 09:43:09 PM  
Wanted to join a lockpicking club in Virginia, but state law says that possession of lockpicking tools is proof of intent, so there aren't any lockpicking clubs in VA.
 
2013-03-02 09:44:31 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Ranked-choice voting put this clown in office.


You sound very much like a losing candidate. While her response was at the bottom of the article (of course) the fact is that it was a sane and rational response. I don't live in CA but frankly I would love to have a politician who can give such a sane and rational response in my state. If they throw you honey, come to New Mexico, we need all the help we can get.

The problem here isn't the politician. The problem is the dufi in the electorate.
 
2013-03-02 09:46:02 PM  

gameshowhost: What if the criminals are going around locking everything up?


That would actually be pretty funny.
 
2013-03-02 09:52:54 PM  
Hey I'm a frumpy stay at home mom, and I would totally take that class. Sounds fun.
 
2013-03-02 10:24:50 PM  
Big farking deal, you can buy a set of lock picks for $20 online and find any one of thousands of web sites to learn how to do it.  They even sell training sets with everything you need to learn how. Link

/You would be surprised how easy it actually is.
//Locks only keep honest people honest.
 
2013-03-02 10:32:24 PM  
While a burglar might try a bump key or perhaps a rake, they are unlikely to use any pick requiring a class.  If it takes much longer than about 10 seconds (quickly enough to look like a legit key to a passerby), they are more likely to just break a window, use a crowbar or similar.  Fiddling with a lock for a couple minutes will get them caught.

If breaking a window gets them in and out more quickly, that's what they'll do.  They don't care about people realizing that they broke in.  If they are gone before anyone notices, it doesn't matter.

Picking a complicated lock the hard way is almost like meditation.  You have to relax, focus on the lock and be in complete control of very tiny movements.  Too much tension and you'll just bind all of the cylinders.  Too little and they'll all snap loose.  That's not something the common criminal wants to deal with.
 
2013-03-02 11:32:08 PM  
I just got a lockpick set for Christmas. Finally got around to working on a file cabinet that I lost the key for. Didn't have any luck. But only gave it a half hearted attempt. I'd appreciate any suggestions or links that wouldn't come up in a simple web search (or terms to search for)
 
2013-03-02 11:36:07 PM  
Why would anyone take a class about choosing Scottish lakes?
 
2013-03-02 11:41:08 PM  

TheGogmagog: I just got a lockpick set for Christmas. Finally got around to working on a file cabinet that I lost the key for. Didn't have any luck. But only gave it a half hearted attempt. I'd appreciate any suggestions or links that wouldn't come up in a simple web search (or terms to search for)


Um, Link
 
2013-03-02 11:59:16 PM  

TheGogmagog: I just got a lockpick set for Christmas. Finally got around to working on a file cabinet that I lost the key for. Didn't have any luck. But only gave it a half hearted attempt. I'd appreciate any suggestions or links that wouldn't come up in a simple web search (or terms to search for)


Put the flat end of a half diamond up against the pins push them up and count them. Do that again with your tension wrench in and give it some heavy pressure. Slowly let up pressure on the wrench til you hear all of the pins click. Now you know how many pins you have and how much tension to put on the plug. Play around with single pin picking before going for the rake. I like the short hook, but the half diamond seems to be the pick of choice for most people.
 
2013-03-03 12:01:43 AM  

sexy-fetus: TheGogmagog: I just got a lockpick set for Christmas. Finally got around to working on a file cabinet that I lost the key for. Didn't have any luck. But only gave it a half hearted attempt. I'd appreciate any suggestions or links that wouldn't come up in a simple web search (or terms to search for)

Put the flat end of a half diamond up against the pins push them up and count them. Do that again with your tension wrench in and give it some heavy pressure. Slowly let up pressure on the wrench til you hear all of the pins click. Now you know how many pins you have and how much tension to put on the plug. Play around with single pin picking before going for the rake. I like the short hook, but the half diamond seems to be the pick of choice for most people.


Sorry, push the pins up and pull it out slowly and listen/feel for the pins to drop.
 
2013-03-03 12:06:09 AM  

TheGogmagog: I just got a lockpick set for Christmas. Finally got around to working on a file cabinet that I lost the key for. Didn't have any luck. But only gave it a half hearted attempt. I'd appreciate any suggestions or links that wouldn't come up in a simple web search (or terms to search for)


Get a good set of vice grips and yank the lock out.
 
2013-03-03 12:07:59 AM  

Mrbogey: Comparing it to an IED class is beyond foolish but the class is still a dumb idea.

Youths don't need to learn lockpicking unless they're aspiring locksmiths.

Though I learned how to pick locks and I see no problem with it, it's not something we need to push people towards learning.


You gotta build on their natural aptitudes.  Do what you love, the money will follow.
 
2013-03-03 01:19:54 AM  

worlddan: 100 Watt Walrus: Ranked-choice voting put this clown in office.

You sound very much like a losing candidate. While her response was at the bottom of the article (of course) the fact is that it was a sane and rational response. I don't live in CA but frankly I would love to have a politician who can give such a sane and rational response in my state. If they throw you honey, come to New Mexico, we need all the help we can get.

The problem here isn't the politician. The problem is the dufi in the electorate.


1) My comment was not about this incident or her response to it (which was level headed, hindsight being 20/20 and all)

2) It was in relation to her entire tenure as mayor...

3) ...about which you clearly know nothing
 
2013-03-03 01:43:55 AM  
Doesn't matter what city you are the mayor of, advertising stuff like that is almost always a bad idea.
 
2013-03-03 03:09:04 AM  

TheGogmagog: I just got a lockpick set for Christmas. Finally got around to working on a file cabinet that I lost the key for. Didn't have any luck. But only gave it a half hearted attempt. I'd appreciate any suggestions or links that wouldn't come up in a simple web search (or terms to search for)


TOOOL rocks, and they maintain high ethical standards, not the least of which is that you only pick locks that you, personally, own. If it's your filing cabinet, start here (TOOOL's own presentations) or read this (PDF warning, this was the document from the 90s that helped popularize locksport in the US), and keep trying. If you're still stuck, find a local chapter or attend a Lockpick Village the next time your local hackerspace or other nerdy gathering happens, and play with some locks. With a little patience and persistence, anyone, even a child, can do it.

Like any other skill requiring fine motor control, it'll take a while, but unless you have a very expensive filing cabinet, we're talking about an hour or two, not years. When, not if, you get the cabinet open, use a pair of pliers to take the lock off the cabinet and pick it a few more times. The basic idea is a lot easier to pick up when you have the cylinder in your hand. Rekey the lock by swapping the driver pins around and pick it again. It's fun.

Or did you you just want to open the damn thing?

i.imgur.com

Go to your local hardware store and get a tungsten step drill and a replacement lock. Put a few drops of oil on the bit, and 30 seconds with any battery-powered drill will do the trick. It's more fun (and takes longer) than bumping the lock, but it's nowhere near as much fun as doing it the hard way. You've already got the tools for the job: your picks, and your brain.
 
2013-03-03 05:23:55 AM  
Mayor of city besieged by crime?

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2013-03-03 06:31:53 AM  
Just...no. Criminals don't pick locks. Lockpicking is a skill that taks time and effort to learn. The average break-and-enter is a crime of opportunity (a window near the door, they notice you are on vacation, etc).
 
2013-03-03 07:07:50 AM  
she ugly.
 
2013-03-03 09:13:02 AM  
The mayor is in charge of editorial decisions for the city newsletter? Perhaps that's part of the problem.
 
2013-03-03 11:10:30 AM  

d0rkh0rs3: Just...no. Criminals don't pick locks. Lockpicking is a skill that taks time and effort to learn. The average break-and-enter is a crime of opportunity (a window near the door, they notice you are on vacation, etc).


True, but the problem of aiming it at young kids is petty theft.

I remember in junior high there was kids who'd practice combination lock picking. Some were quite good. There were a few times students had their locks stolen off their lockers and a few small things taken out. Really the issue with something like this is petty theft.
 
2013-03-03 12:02:42 PM  

Mrbogey: d0rkh0rs3: Just...no. Criminals don't pick locks. Lockpicking is a skill that taks time and effort to learn. The average break-and-enter is a crime of opportunity (a window near the door, they notice you are on vacation, etc).

True, but the problem of aiming it at young kids is petty theft.

I remember in junior high there was kids who'd practice combination lock picking. Some were quite good. There were a few times students had their locks stolen off their lockers and a few small things taken out. Really the issue with something like this is petty theft.


i can see that. But the people losing their minds about lockpicking don't think like that.
 
2013-03-03 03:46:28 PM  

indylaw: The mayor is in charge of editorial decisions for the city newsletter? Perhaps that's part of the problem.


Please point to anywhere in the TFA or any article on the subject that indicates this ad appeared in a "city newsletter" as opposed to the mayor's own newsletter.

/I'll wait.
 
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