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2013-03-02 05:33:14 PM  

Mock26: "The school's referral slip said he was given an "emergency suspension" for being involved in an "incident" with a weapon."

Does getting shot count as being involved with an incident with a weapon?


Well, technically you'd be in posession of a bullet at school, so yeah.
 
2013-03-02 05:34:13 PM  

ultraholland: Could you please highlight the section which is pro-gun manufacturer. Thanks.


you are correct, i meant to say "anti public school" but the was looking at the headline. my brain just typed gun. teach me not to take the extra second to double check.

Anderson's Pooper: Calling this a suspension is idiotic. Tell the kid to take a well deserved 3 day Hero's Vacation, let the school calm down a bit and none of this ever hits the press.


from an interesting piece on school violence in chicago i heard on NPR the other day, its not unusual in some of the rougher or more gang dominated districts to "suspend" a student for their own protection. its not pleasant for the student because they are missing out on precious learning, but the school hopes by forcing them to stay home and safe it will also lower the chances that violent reprisals might spill into the school itself.
 
2013-03-02 05:34:44 PM  

cfreak: Anyone got a link that doesn't use Glenn Beck's crappy blog?

 
2013-03-02 05:37:00 PM  

JimmyFartpants: cfreak: Anyone got a link that doesn't use Glenn Beck's crappy blog?


As noted above, the only other links people are finding for this story are other derp blogs, so I am doubtful this happened at all.
 
2013-03-02 05:38:55 PM  

Spirit Hammer: cfreak: Anyone got a link that doesn't use Glenn Beck's crappy blog?

Similar links appear to be from Fox news, Freerepublic, and ar15.
I am somewhat skeptical.

Although it might be a case of "the mainstream press won't report this."


You do know that local Fox affiliates have very little to do with Fox News, right?
 
2013-03-02 05:43:44 PM  
The tag should have been Florida not asinine.  We expect these type of incidents happening in Florida.
 
2013-03-02 05:43:56 PM  

tlchwi02: from an interesting piece on school violence in chicago i heard on NPR the other day, its not unusual in some of the rougher or more gang dominated districts to "suspend" a student for their own protection. its not pleasant for the student because they are missing out on precious learning, but the school hopes by forcing them to stay home and safe it will also lower the chances that violent reprisals might spill into the school itself.


I get the concept and, to an extent, may even agree with it.  But when you call it a suspension, especially in this type of incident, you're just asking for additional headaches.  Call them "safety days" or something more neutral and you'll avoid a lot of the blowback.
 
2013-03-02 05:45:34 PM  
Another link in the article was to http://www.abc-7.com/story/21426291/deputies-teen-pointed-gun-at-fell o w-student-on-school-bus. No reference to a suspension and told from the victim's perspective. In THAT version. The weapon was found in the bedroom of the the attacker after the incident, by the Sheriff's Dept.

Somebody's stretchin' the truff.
 
2013-03-02 05:50:14 PM  
Save a life, get a vacation from school?  I'll take it.
 
2013-03-02 05:52:43 PM  

fnordfocus: Greek: No problem here unless the kid is penalized academically or the suspension remains on his disciplinary record.

The rules are pretty much the same in every US high school --they'll get a zero for any work due or assigned during the suspension period.


I realize that. That's why I added what I did- An emergency suspension should allow for non- guilty parties to make up work.
 
2013-03-02 05:55:17 PM  

tlchwi02: i'm sure glenn becks personal website wouldn't have any reason to invent, imbelish or change the details to a story to make it pro-gun manufacturer. no sir-ee


I was reading the comments and saw the anti-liberal mouth-frothing, and was mentioning it to a friend.  I was wondering why this site had so many total raving lunatics in one place.  Your comment has my answer, thank you.
 
2013-03-02 05:57:22 PM  

tlchwi02: Ronin FF: But accuse a liberal of the same and its obvious bullshiat, right? Tool.

wow, we're white knighting glenn becks journalistic integrity now? really? do you actually know who glenn beck is? it sounds like you're a little confused about that.


You think Glenn wrote the story? You feel that ANY news story these days should be white-knighted? Picking on Glenn Beck and not Rachael Maddow, for instance, is hypocrisy. You simply cannot get the straight dope on anything these days, so picking on one side and not the other, IMO, is stupid and pointless. You want to be angry or frustrated? Say "Journalism" instead of any single person's name.
 
2013-03-02 06:03:29 PM  

Sofakinbd: Florida tag on vacation? Guess the state meme's day off?

-Sofa


A tag swap and a grammar fix.  Is this still Fark?
 
2013-03-02 06:05:47 PM  
they were suspended because they jumped on a football player right?
 
2013-03-02 06:06:05 PM  

Ronin FF: Ray Vaughn: Ronin FF: tlchwi02: i'm sure glenn becks personal website wouldn't have any reason to invent, imbelish or change the details to a story to make it pro-gun manufacturer. no sir-ee

But accuse a liberal of the same and its obvious bullshiat, right? Tool.

If that liberal had the same history of obfuscation, lies and BS that Glenn Beck & Co have...then yeah, same thing.

Well then, I guess we're good here, since every liberal I have ever met can't see the truth right in front of them. EVERY ONE sees what they want to see, not what is there. EVERY SINGLE ONE. That's what it means to be a liberal.


9/10. THAT is how to troll!
 
2013-03-02 06:08:58 PM  
"Quadryle"

www.chronicle.su

/I'd want to shoot somebody too if that were my name
 
2013-03-02 06:10:02 PM  

fanuvtoons: Ronin FF: Ray Vaughn: Ronin FF: tlchwi02: i'm sure glenn becks personal website wouldn't have any reason to invent, imbelish or change the details to a story to make it pro-gun manufacturer. no sir-ee

But accuse a liberal of the same and its obvious bullshiat, right? Tool.

If that liberal had the same history of obfuscation, lies and BS that Glenn Beck & Co have...then yeah, same thing.

Well then, I guess we're good here, since every liberal I have ever met can't see the truth right in front of them. EVERY ONE sees what they want to see, not what is there. EVERY SINGLE ONE. That's what it means to be a liberal.

9/10. THAT is how to troll!


*takes a bow*
 
2013-03-02 06:15:28 PM  
I really like how the athlete has alesser charge than if the class geek was caught pointing a gun.
 
2013-03-02 06:15:54 PM  

EggSniper: "Quadryle"

[www.chronicle.su image 552x360]

/I'd want to shoot somebody too if that were my name


You could say his kin were... ryled up...

///YEEEAAAAAAHHHH
 
2013-03-02 06:28:35 PM  
Who says the kid is telling the truth? Could have been a few kids messing around with a gun and they got caught and made up the story. Only getting one side of the story here.
 
2013-03-02 06:29:33 PM  

Sim Tree: In any incident involving a firearm, there's the possibility the attackers' friends could come to school the next day and kill the defender; this is relitivly common in areas with high gang violence.


Sounds a bit like when cops get put on administrative suspension after a shooting. Problem today because of the 24 hour media, everyone wants and expects the story _right now_.  From the schools perspective, they have no idea what was going on in the back of the bus until the dust all settles.
 
2013-03-02 06:29:39 PM  

cherryl taggart: I really like how the athlete has alesser charge than if the class geek was caught pointing a gun.


well yea you'd never hear about a member of the football team pulling a gun, shoot this wouldn't have made the news if they had not jumped him
 
2013-03-02 06:32:53 PM  
First off, I want to thank my fellow Farkers for the intelligent and diverse conversation that occurs in these here comment threads. While I don't always agree with the opinions I can most always respect them.
That being said, anyone read the INSANE comments for this article on the original site?
 Holy fark! Grab some popcorn!
 
2013-03-02 06:36:27 PM  
The story the allegedly suspended kid told (made March 1) doesn't quite line up with what the initial report (made Feb. 28, about a Feb. 26 incident) says. Also, the blog is lifted nearly verbatim from the Fox news report, a pure cut&paste job. Most high school seniors would not get away with such blatant plagiarism.

Not that schools are not capable of such asshattery, mind you, but I find it quite believable and acceptable that students involved in a gun-related incident--not to mention a fight--would be suspended for the safety of all concerned until the authorities could figure out what exactly was going on. After all, by their own admission, the students were fighting, and it started with a stare-down between two boys. For the protection of all involved, the best thing to do would be to take everyone out of school till it could be determined who started what with whom. For all the principal knows, the "heroes" were really the gunman's buddies, and helping him out; or supporters of the alleged victim, trying to even the odds.

That's what an "investigation" is for, you know. To investigate.
 
2013-03-02 06:38:00 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Calling this a suspension is idiotic.  Tell the kid to take a well deserved 3 day Hero's Vacation, let the school calm down a bit and none of this ever hits the press.


Principals don't have "hero vacation" forms.  He should have said,

"Nice kid you got there... be a shame if anything happened to him.  If you want to keep him home for a few days, we'll let him make up the work later."
 
2013-03-02 06:42:25 PM  

Wise_Guy: Ed Willy: Ah year, a story told by a kid the media can't identify gives his side of the story. The school can only cite involvement. It's not like a kid involved in escalating a fight on the bus would forget to mention anything he could have done to provoke the kid to pull a gun, just as there is no way both sides could be wrong in this.

He was asking for it?


Not saying it was called for. but..

A theoretical situation: Let's suggest that a kid did have a gun with him, not to use it, but because he's a big badass football player that thinks it makes him big and tough. We'll call him Plaxico.

Plaxico gets into some stupid teenage beef with a teammate. Meanwhile, the teammate and his friends start farking with him. Pushing him, maybe landing a few punches. Plaxico pulls out the gun in some dumb form of self defense, then our protagonist and his friends wrestle it away.

If our theoretical protaganist was involved in the fight and should face discipline, no matter if Paxico pulled out the gun.

Read the article and the news site it links to again. The whole article is one kid's take on it. The school is barred from talking, only to say the kid is involved in the incident. We only have the kid's word about what happened, and the station uses him anonymously. The kid that had the gun isn't consulted (maybe lawyered up, but there is no mention of the station even trying to contact him)

So we have a political site that is using a piece of poor journalism to advocate a point. Which is odd, since the kid in question was suspended for enacting gun control, not pulling out his own gun and saving everyone.
 
2013-03-02 06:43:22 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Principals don't have "hero vacation" forms. He should have said,

"Nice kid you got there... be a shame if anything happened to him. If you want to keep him home for a few days, we'll let him make up the work later."


My point exactly.  The problem isn't the 3 days off, the problem is calling it a suspension.
 
2013-03-02 06:46:23 PM  
Quadryle? Yeah, no wonder he's homicidal. I would be, too, if my parents were that cruel.
 
2013-03-02 06:49:14 PM  
This is "protective custody supervised by parent", in practice. Any teacher who doesn't help do his work, and give him full credit for completion should be suspended without pay.
 
2013-03-02 07:14:37 PM  
I didn't know what hell The Blaze was before, but I know that was my first and last time clicking a link to it.
 
2013-03-02 07:19:36 PM  
Probably not even in the top ten stupid things public school adminstrators did this week.
 
2013-03-02 07:33:08 PM  

badhatharry: Probably not even in the top ten stupid things public school adminstrators did this week.


Mainly because it apparently didn't happen.
 
2013-03-02 07:42:55 PM  

TheOther: Disciplinary suspension or 'keep out of the way until we control the gunman's a homeys' suspension?


Appears to be precautionary rather than disciplinary.
Won't make a dent in the outrage, though.
 
2013-03-02 07:50:19 PM  

timujin: Sim Tree: I hate to play the devil's advocate, but there's actually a good reason for this.
In any incident involving a firearm, there's the possibility the attackers' friends could come to school the next day and kill the defender; this is relitivly common in areas with high gang violence.

I understand your attempt to play devil's advocate, but your reasoning seems lacking as it would be even easier for the student to be attacked in his own home.
Though, I suppose that would at least remove any liability from the school, so it does make sense in that regard.  Not for the kid's safety, just monetarily.


The attackers would have to know where the kid lives, and to get there. That might be difficult if he's in a different gang's territory.

It also reduces the risk that other students get hurt in the attack.
 
2013-03-02 08:07:21 PM  
Dammit...I clicked another The Blaze headline link. I am disappoint.
 
2013-03-02 08:18:55 PM  

Ronin FF: tlchwi02: i'm sure glenn becks personal website wouldn't have any reason to invent, imbelish or change the details to a story to make it pro-gun manufacturer. no sir-ee

But accuse a liberal of the same and its obvious bullshiat, right? Tool.


Well, yeah.  I mean accusing a liberal of being pro-gun manufacturer shouldn't even pass the most basic of inspections.
 
2013-03-02 08:32:18 PM  

Krieghund: timujin: Sim Tree: I hate to play the devil's advocate, but there's actually a good reason for this.
In any incident involving a firearm, there's the possibility the attackers' friends could come to school the next day and kill the defender; this is relitivly common in areas with high gang violence.

I understand your attempt to play devil's advocate, but your reasoning seems lacking as it would be even easier for the student to be attacked in his own home.
Though, I suppose that would at least remove any liability from the school, so it does make sense in that regard.  Not for the kid's safety, just monetarily.

The attackers would have to know where the kid lives, and to get there. That might be difficult if he's in a different gang's territory.

It also reduces the risk that other students get hurt in the attack.


Again, I see the point, but finding out where a kid in my high school lived, if I didn't already know, would have been pretty simple.  And if I'm the kind of person willing to go into a school to extract my vengeance, I'm also probably the type to not be too concerned with driving by dude's house and riddling it with bullets.

The only benefit I see here in not having him at the school is to the school itself.
 
2013-03-02 08:43:57 PM  
I wouldn't let my kid go back to this school. Truancy or no truancy, state-sponsored babysitting isn't worth getting killed with a gun. I'd rather she or he stay home and watch idiotic cartoons all day.
 
2013-03-02 08:44:03 PM  

Ronin FF: Ray Vaughn: Ronin FF: tlchwi02: i'm sure glenn becks personal website wouldn't have any reason to invent, imbelish or change the details to a story to make it pro-gun manufacturer. no sir-ee

But accuse a liberal of the same and its obvious bullshiat, right? Tool.

If that liberal had the same history of obfuscation, lies and BS that Glenn Beck & Co have...then yeah, same thing.

Well then, I guess we're good here, since every liberal I have ever met can't see the truth right in front of them. EVERY ONE sees what they want to see, not what is there. EVERY SINGLE ONE. That's what it means to be a liberal.


You're an idiot. How many conservative pundits predicted Romney's victory in the election, despite all the previous evidence to the contrary, and conservatives believed every word of it? ...and you have the nerve to make such a stupid comment?
 
2013-03-02 08:56:45 PM  

chazsandiego: That being said, anyone read the INSANE comments for this article on the original site?


"Liberals love shootings and dead kids. It helps them push their political agenda forward."

"Of course this suspension makes perfect sense to liberals. Liberals need dead children. Liberals need a body count. We can't have people disarming and disabling active shooters, that just doesn't fit the narrative."

"God wants us to defend ourselves. There are a LOT of godless people here, and, sorry to say, I WILL BE GLAD WHEN THEY START KILLING EACH OTHER..."

Totally detached from reality. These people scare me, seriously.
 
2013-03-02 09:22:41 PM  

timujin: Krieghund: timujin: Sim Tree: I hate to play the devil's advocate, but there's actually a good reason for this.
In any incident involving a firearm, there's the possibility the attackers' friends could come to school the next day and kill the defender; this is relitivly common in areas with high gang violence.

I understand your attempt to play devil's advocate, but your reasoning seems lacking as it would be even easier for the student to be attacked in his own home.
Though, I suppose that would at least remove any liability from the school, so it does make sense in that regard.  Not for the kid's safety, just monetarily.

The attackers would have to know where the kid lives, and to get there. That might be difficult if he's in a different gang's territory.

It also reduces the risk that other students get hurt in the attack.

Again, I see the point, but finding out where a kid in my high school lived, if I didn't already know, would have been pretty simple.  And if I'm the kind of person willing to go into a school to extract my vengeance, I'm also probably the type to not be too concerned with driving by dude's house and riddling it with bullets.

The only benefit I see here in not having him at the school is to the school itself.


Clearly the answer then is not to attempt any precautionary action at all. The kid's DOA.

Although, from a gun-lover's perspective where do you imagine this kid has a better chance of defending himself (since presumably there is nowhere he will be safe anyway)? The school where guns are not allowed, or his home where -- if he's a true American -- an entire arsenal of weaponry will be at his disposal?
 
2013-03-02 09:32:21 PM  
There is nothing on earth dumber than a public school administrator.
 
2013-03-02 09:58:04 PM  

namegoeshere: Mock26: "The school's referral slip said he was given an "emergency suspension" for being involved in an "incident" with a weapon."

Does getting shot count as being involved with an incident with a weapon?

Well, technically you'd be in posession of a bullet at school, so yeah.


What if it went through the person?
 
2013-03-02 10:42:51 PM  
BUT BUT BUT YOU TOLD ME THE ONLY THING THAT COULD STOP A BAD GUY WITH A GUN WAS A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN!!1!1!!
 
2013-03-02 10:44:53 PM  

Ronin FF: fanuvtoons: Ronin FF: Ray Vaughn: Ronin FF: tlchwi02: i'm sure glenn becks personal website wouldn't have any reason to invent, imbelish or change the details to a story to make it pro-gun manufacturer. no sir-ee

But accuse a liberal of the same and its obvious bullshiat, right? Tool.

If that liberal had the same history of obfuscation, lies and BS that Glenn Beck & Co have...then yeah, same thing.

Well then, I guess we're good here, since every liberal I have ever met can't see the truth right in front of them. EVERY ONE sees what they want to see, not what is there. EVERY SINGLE ONE. That's what it means to be a liberal.

9/10. THAT is how to troll!

*takes a bow*


Imitating the Dunner-Kruger effect is not really something to be proud of.
 
2013-03-02 10:48:42 PM  
if G-d wants to shoot someone  let Him

don't wrestle the Gun away from G-d
 
2013-03-03 01:08:28 AM  
it is past the point that any parent who sends their children to public school should be charged with child endangerment.
 
2013-03-03 01:38:53 AM  

Ronin FF: tlchwi02: i'm sure glenn becks personal website wouldn't have any reason to invent, imbelish or change the details to a story to make it pro-gun manufacturer. no sir-ee

But accuse a liberal of the same and its obvious bullshiat, right? Tool.


It's fun when you insult people for things you made up and put in their mouths, isn't it?
 
2013-03-03 01:42:15 AM  

Ronin FF: Well then, I guess we're good here, since every liberal I have ever met can't see the truth right in front of them. EVERY ONE sees what they want to see, not what is there. EVERY SINGLE ONE. That's what it means to be a liberal.


Stop licking paint and maybe you'll get to meet some liberals who exist outside of the hallucinations.
 
2013-03-03 01:49:14 AM  

Anderson's Pooper: I get the concept and, to an extent, may even agree with it. But when you call it a suspension, especially in this type of incident, you're just asking for additional headaches. Call them "safety days" or something more neutral and you'll avoid a lot of the blowback.


actually I should have mentioned that they went into that. they had trouble convincing certain kids that by being sent home they were not actually "in trouble." they said that was a major problem because it alienated the kids when they didn't deserve it, but they felt they were between a rock and a hard place. do you alienate one kid to avoid a possible gang violence issue, or let him stay and risk it actually happening? the teachers and admins they were shadowing hated both options, but went with the greatest good
 
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