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(Washington Post)   We have an alcohol limit for drivers; should we have a marijuana limit?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 33
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2013-03-02 04:25:55 PM  
2 votes:
Look, man, if there's one thing I know, it's how to drive while I'm stoned. It's like you know your perspective's farked so you just let your hands work the controls as if you were straight.

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2013-03-02 02:11:51 PM  
2 votes:

sammyk: Is there any evidence that stoned drivers are causing people to die?


Yes, there is.  Is there any reason why one cause of impairment should be treated differently than another?  Someone might argue that stoned drivers are not as dangerous as drunk drivers, but that's a foolish argument.  Both are more dangerous than sober drivers.
2013-03-03 01:11:43 AM  
1 votes:
I think we should have a volunteer to test this theory:

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2013-03-02 08:45:26 PM  
1 votes:

thisiszombocom: this is a stupid question.  anything that alters your ability to think and react needs to be tested before you get behind the wheel of a 2 ton vehicle capable of killing someone.


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2013-03-02 08:34:10 PM  
1 votes:

Thai_Mai_Xhu: Well.
You guys (and Dolls) are gonna think I'm full of shiat, which of course I am, such being the natural situation of we shiat filled Twinkies.
BUTT<===I do likw big butts...in a test with people who were smoking pot, people who were drinking alcohol, and people who were perfectly straight...er....um....lets say sober....ohtay then.
Turns out the safest drivers were the ones who were stoned.
Serious.
Not kidding.
Thank you.
G'bye


You make a great case
2013-03-02 08:33:36 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-03-02 08:29:05 PM  
1 votes:
Well.
You guys (and Dolls) are gonna think I'm full of shiat, which of course I am, such being the natural situation of we shiat filled Twinkies.
BUTT<===I do likw big butts...in a test with people who were smoking pot, people who were drinking alcohol, and people who were perfectly straight...er....um....lets say sober....ohtay then.
Turns out the safest drivers were the ones who were stoned.
Serious.
Not kidding.
Thank you.
G'bye
2013-03-02 08:15:05 PM  
1 votes:

lewismarktwo: MNguy: LookForTheArrow:

that's bullshiat. There is no comparison between alcohol and weed tolerance. You are bad and should feel bad, for misleading people publicly, just so you have something snarky to say. There is an upper limit for alcohol under which EVERYONE is impaired and that aint true for weed bucko. I know why I bother - because idiots like you should not mislead others about how bad alcohol (incredibly toxic) is and how weed is NOT the same boat (actually neuroprotective), and should not have the same, inflexible, limits.

i know how hard the concep ...

You're either lying, mis-informed or a troll.  Pick one.

Cannabis and alcohol affect people via completely different mechanisms.  With pot it's 'all in your head' and the brain can become literally tolerant of the psychoactive compounds that mimic the natural brain chemicals normally inherent.  Not the same as with booze.  Drink too much booze and your body fails.  Ingest too much pot and you fall asleep.


Touch your finger to your nose, walk in a straight line, etc.  This is really hard for potheads to understand.
2013-03-02 07:59:38 PM  
1 votes:
LookForTheArrow:

You dont choose anything for me, thank god. i'm well connected to a group of extradorinarily bright people who agree with me, on the science, on the practice, and on the morality of marijuana use versus alcohol. Carl Sagan called, and he told me you're an ass and it won't change no matter how many billions and billions of times you deny it.

I asked you to choose, but you seem incapacitated in some way.  Please don't drive a car tonight.
2013-03-02 07:59:38 PM  
1 votes:

misanthropic1: Good job fark; I genuinely have no idea who's trolling who.


for the record there is nothing funny about ruining people's lives because of a one-size-fits-all premise with no scientific basis. It is proven that alcohol is toxic, it is proven that marijuana is not. You cannot tolerate high-dose alcohol (hear that MNGuy?) but you CAN tolerate to high-dose THC.

If it's trolling to protest ruining people's lives over bad science, as enacted by people ignorant of biochemistry, i'm trolling. but you'll find that word loses meaning when you apply it to mean "i wish it wasn't true" instead of "person posting to get a kick out of dissent".

i get no "kick" out of seeing people proclaim with a straight face that a person's life should be ruined for an activity that is wholly responsible and even advisable (when it suppresses seizures and nausea and the like, which can be quite dangerous while driving, for which marijuana is well known to do safely) for those who are experienced with the medication.

/it's not trolling to care, but it's trolling to pretend i'm trolling.
2013-03-02 07:49:02 PM  
1 votes:

MNguy: LookForTheArrow:

that's bullshiat. There is no comparison between alcohol and weed tolerance. You are bad and should feel bad, for misleading people publicly, just so you have something snarky to say. There is an upper limit for alcohol under which EVERYONE is impaired and that aint true for weed bucko. I know why I bother - because idiots like you should not mislead others about how bad alcohol (incredibly toxic) is and how weed is NOT the same boat (actually neuroprotective), and should not have the same, inflexible, limits.

i know how hard the concep ...

You're either lying, mis-informed or a troll.  Pick one.


You dont choose anything for me, thank god. i'm well connected to a group of extradorinarily bright people who agree with me, on the science, on the practice, and on the morality of marijuana use versus alcohol. Carl Sagan called, and he told me you're an ass and it won't change no matter how many billions and billions of times you deny it.
2013-03-02 07:44:47 PM  
1 votes:
LookForTheArrow:

that's bullshiat. There is no comparison between alcohol and weed tolerance. You are bad and should feel bad, for misleading people publicly, just so you have something snarky to say. There is an upper limit for alcohol under which EVERYONE is impaired and that aint true for weed bucko. I know why I bother - because idiots like you should not mislead others about how bad alcohol (incredibly toxic) is and how weed is NOT the same boat (actually neuroprotective), and should not have the same, inflexible, limits.

i know how hard the concep ...


You're either lying, mis-informed or a troll.  Pick one.
2013-03-02 06:01:03 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: LookForTheArrow: FloydA: Cast: SurfaceTension: I can't imagine being able to drive at all when stoned.

It's vastly safer than alcohol,

You're starting with the premise that some impaired driving is absolutely necessary.  You are assuming that people have to drive while under the influence of something, and the only question is what is causing the impairment.   This is a false premise.  As a society, we don't need to tolerate any impaired driving.

Let me put it this way.   Driving drunk is a lot safer than driving on heroin.  Do you think it's safe to conclude that driving drunk should be legal, just because driving on heroin is worse?  Probably not.  The "pot's not as bad as booze" argument is identical.

That's not necessarily true at all. Someone well tolerated to heroin wouldn't even show a sign of it.. but even a twenty year hardcore alcoholic never tolerates to alcohol's deleterious effects. Thus, heroin IS actually safer than alcohol, writ large.

Please do some research before you propagate obviously "out of your butt" edicts.

Your desire to rationalize driving while high has led you to defend driving on heroin.  Think about how that looks to the rest of us.

The fact is that driving while impaired is a bad idea, no matter what is causing the impairment.  I don't care what drugs you or anyone else wants to take in the privacy of your own home, but stay off the road; if you are driving high, you are not driving safely, no matter what you think.


TOLERANCE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.  STUDY IT OUT.
2013-03-02 05:52:10 PM  
1 votes:
Oh look a bunch of potheads whining that driving while stoned is illegal, and who think being able to drive is an inalienable right.
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2013-03-02 05:47:32 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: Cast: SurfaceTension: I can't imagine being able to drive at all when stoned.

It's vastly safer than alcohol,

You're starting with the premise that some impaired driving is absolutely necessary.  You are assuming that people have to drive while under the influence of something, and the only question is what is causing the impairment.   This is a false premise.  As a society, we don't need to tolerate any impaired driving.

Let me put it this way.   Driving drunk is a lot safer than driving on heroin.  Do you think it's safe to conclude that driving drunk should be legal, just because driving on heroin is worse?  Probably not.  The "pot's not as bad as booze" argument is identical.


That's not necessarily true at all. Someone well tolerated to heroin wouldn't even show a sign of it.. but even a twenty year hardcore alcoholic never tolerates to alcohol's deleterious effects. Thus, heroin IS actually safer than alcohol, writ large.

Please do some research before you propagate obviously "out of your butt" edicts.
2013-03-02 05:40:04 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-03-02 05:04:06 PM  
1 votes:
Drunks drive through red lights.
Stoners sit forever at stop signs, waiting for them to turn green.
2013-03-02 04:43:47 PM  
1 votes:
Listen, this is the United States of America, we're talking about here. There's no need for sensationalism or reckless speculation. I'm sure law-makers will do their civic duty with reverence, respect and regard (the three R's of being a law-maker, of course.) There will be no dicey politics or system-gaming. There will be no compromising or dereliction. Those in charge of running every minutia of our little lives will examine the facts, demand research, and scrutinize data before forming reasonable, well-thought-out, and fair legislation that doesn't impinge on freedoms any more than is necessary to protect the innocent lives around us. Discussion over, folks. There's no further need to comment. Sit back, relax, and let the politicians of our great nation do what they always do. Thank you. Good night.

// and all that without marijuana too!
2013-03-02 04:39:53 PM  
1 votes:
Show them a Cyriak animation or the iTunes visualizer.

If they stare, grin, and say, "Whoa, man," arrest them.
2013-03-02 04:37:02 PM  
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: I vote for the acceptable limit of THC being zero.  If that means it takes 30 days for a pot head to let his system clean out before he can drive, so be it.  If they dont like it they can always simply not do illegal drugs.  What a novel idea!


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2013-03-02 04:34:38 PM  
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: I vote for the acceptable limit of THC being zero.  If that means it takes 30 days for a pot head to let his system clean out before he can drive, so be it.  If they dont like it they can always simply not do illegal drugs.  What a novel idea!


It's legal in Colorado now, dumbass.
2013-03-02 04:33:26 PM  
1 votes:
simple test

ask "Do you think everyone sees colors the same"
2013-03-02 04:32:33 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: Sleeping Monkey: It's all about the money anyway. DUI laws aren't designed to stop drunk driving, they're designed to profit from drunk driving.

Wrong.



I may agree with him. Remember alcoholism is a disease. You can't hold those people responsible, they are a victim. You have to blame the alcohol. If it would save just one life you may want to look into outlawing consumption of alcohol. I know millions and millions of people use alcohol safely every day but we need to protect ourselves from the few times that alcohol kills. If we can't outlaw it than maybe we should just limit the amount of alcohol allowed in a drink. Maybe .25%? I mean do you really need strong alcohol?
2013-03-02 04:31:32 PM  
1 votes:
There are a few posters in this thread who need to get laid.  This is one of Rumsfeld' known knowns.
2013-03-02 04:28:02 PM  
1 votes:
I vote for the acceptable limit of THC being zero.  If that means it takes 30 days for a pot head to let his system clean out before he can drive, so be it.  If they dont like it they can always simply not do illegal drugs.  What a novel idea!
2013-03-02 04:25:06 PM  
1 votes:
There shouldn't be a limit for any substance.

Killing or injuring people with the car, causing property damage, speeding, failing to stay in the lane, ignoring red signals... these are already illegal.

I might be willing to let myself be convinced that there should be a limit for commercial vehicle operation (taxis, schoolbuses, trucks over 26,000 lbs, etc), and that persons "under the influence" get stiffer penalties for other vehicular crimes they commit, but DUI shouldn't be illegal for common passenger vehicles (cars, light trucks, etc).
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2013-03-02 04:19:09 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: Yes, we should.  Driving while impaired should be illegal, regardless of the cause of the impairment.  Whether it's alcohol, pot, quaaludes, cough syrup, talking on your got-dam cell phone, or anything else that impairs your ability to drive, it should be illegal.  A second offense should result in permanent loss of driving privileges.

(And although I am all in favor of recreational use of pot, I can assure you that no, you do not actually "drive better when you're high."  You just fail to notice how poor your driving is.  Get home, THEN get high.)


^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
So VERY much this. I will add if you are proven to be driving impaired and cause an injury beyond a bump-and-scrape you should lose your license.
For  very farking long time. And it should be hard as hell to get it back.
If there is a death? No license again. E V E R.
2013-03-02 04:02:00 PM  
1 votes:
We already have a marijuana limit. It's 0.
2013-03-02 03:18:12 PM  
1 votes:
I live in Denver, weed is legal and everyone is smoking it, but the only bad drivers I'm seeing on the roads are people on their cell phones. Seriously, Farmville can wait till you get home, idiots.
2013-03-02 02:37:47 PM  
1 votes:
Sleeping Monkey:
They are no more dangerous than texting drivers and most idiots on their cellphones. But because the marijuana reform movement doesn't have the money or the lobbyists that the telcom industry has it probably will be considered more dangerous.


I agree that those should also be illegal.  Ten states already ban driving while using a hand-held cell phone, and in most of those, it's a primary violation.  39 states ban texting while driving for all drivers (5 more states for "novice" drivers), and in most of those it is also a primary violation.
Source

I don't know of any statistics that show that driving on pot is more dangerous or less dangerous than driving while texting, but that's irrelevant, IMO.  Debating whether one form of impairment is worse than another is begging the question.  We should not be tolerating any impaired driving, no matter what the cause.
2013-03-02 02:25:16 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: Yes, there is. Is there any reason why one cause of impairment should be treated differently than another? Someone might argue that stoned drivers are not as dangerous as drunk drivers, but that's a foolish argument. Both are more dangerous than sober drivers.


They are no more dangerous than texting drivers and most idiots on their cellphones. But because the marijuana reform movement doesn't have the money or the lobbyists that the telcom industry has it probably will be considered more dangerous.
2013-03-02 02:02:49 PM  
1 votes:
Is there any evidence that stoned drivers are causing people to die?
2013-03-02 02:02:34 PM  
1 votes:
Yes, we should.  Driving while impaired should be illegal, regardless of the cause of the impairment.  Whether it's alcohol, pot, quaaludes, cough syrup, talking on your got-dam cell phone, or anything else that impairs your ability to drive, it should be illegal.  A second offense should result in permanent loss of driving privileges.

(And although I am all in favor of recreational use of pot, I can assure you that no, you do not actually "drive better when you're high."  You just fail to notice how poor your driving is.  Get home, THEN get high.)
 
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