dittybopper: False.  This is the greatest deer hunting technology ever:

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Everything else is merely an incremental improvement on that.



/everything old ends up new again

depending on the price point i might pick one of these up... or at least see if the other guys i go with would be willing to go in on one for the camp.

dittybopper: False.  This is the greatest deer hunting technology ever:

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Everything else is merely an incremental improvement on that.

Aww come on man, I thought you'd at least link one of the thousands of pics of your muzzle loader.  An arrow?  Weaksauce.

Deer are stupid and easy to hunt.

HotIgneous Intruder: Deer are stupid and easy to hunt.

they're dumb, but they aren't that easy to hunt. the reason they seem so is that certain parts of the country are so overpopulated with them that you more or less can't help but get a dozen chances on opening day. walking around my grandmothers property in western new york, its not unusual to flush half a dozen of them as if they were grouse, but thats because she has 50+ on a 120ish acres. once season we counted 62 independently seen at about the same time in different corners of the property between 4 people.

HotIgneous Intruder: Deer are stupid and easy to hunt.

Deer are stupid, and can be easy to hunt, but for most people they are hard to hunt because they have great instinct.

That said, the need to de-scent is grossly over-stated, and the efficacy of doing so is grossly over-marketed.  The reason deer react to human scent by running away or avoiding the area is because they generally associate it with danger.  OK, that much is true.  But it is also true that deer can distinguish between the scents of different humans, such that person X will smell differently to them than person Y.  Further, it is very easy to acclimate the deer in a particular area to your personal scent to the point that they no longer associate it with danger, even though they do associate the scentof other humans with danger.

The upshot of all that is that while you spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars to buy things which reduce your scent (but which really don't eliminate it), I spend my time in the woods scouting and acclimating the deer to my own individual scent so that when hunting season rolls around and they run away from your scent they will not (and do not) run away from mine.  In fact, I have actually had deer follow 10-15 feet behind me through the woods (public land!) during hunting season along trails that I use all summer.  To them I am some sort of weird woodland creature that they can safely relate to and are familiar with.  (The ones I do end up being a danger to never know it is me, and don't get the chance to spread the word.)  I have even had deer wander up to me as I am field dressing one of their own.  They were nervous about it, but they were not alarmed by me or by my scent.

Ozone is quite a reactive chemical and destroys lots of things, including rubber.

I can visualize hunters with their underpants around their knees because their waistbands have lost their elasticity.

This will be my first year hunting (Bow). I just plan on throwing on some green clothes and taking my chances. If I dont get a deer, guess i'll have to make due with other meat.

HairBolus: Ozone is quite a reactive chemical and destroys lots of things, including rubber.

I can visualize hunters with their underpants around their knees because their waistbands have lost their elasticity.

These are the same guys that bring us plumber's crack the other 11 months of the year.  They probably wouldn't notice.

THIS is the greatest deer hunting technology ever.

/Instantly converts the corpse into hamburger.

uttertosh: MikeSass: I have actually had deer follow 10-15 feet behind me through the woods (public land!) during hunting season

You're either lying, or really, really fuc7king stupid.

It's possible.  At the Air Force Academy, deer hunting is strictly controlled, to the point where they're vermin.  They come up into the cadet area all the time, shiat all over the place, and are accustomed to humans.  We're not talking NYC pigeons, but they're not afraid of people.

Most of the "hunters" I've encountered just sit in a tree stand mounted to look down on the spot where they'd had the automatic feeder placed all summer long.  I mean, if you have to do that to put food on the table, then do so, but don't pretend there's any kind of sport in it.

uttertosh: MikeSass: I have actually had deer follow 10-15 feet behind me through the woods (public land!) during hunting season

You're either lying, or really, really fuc7king stupid.

It isn't like I entice them to do that, and I always am in orange head-to-toe in that situation.  But I'm not going to drive one off either.  There's no need.  If there is another hunter around the deer would know it waaay before I would, and would act accordingly.  Following me at a slow pace, head down, tail flicking...the whole point is that neither one of us have anything to worry about, and we both know that.  While the biology of it takes some study (as any good hunter knows), the psychology of it is really pretty basic.  Essentially, if you are in the woods often enough for long enough, the deer become conditioned to see (and smell) you as a non-threat.

I just do not understand hunting. If it is for food necessity, then it makes sense to do what you have to in order to survive. If it is for sport, then how is it sporting to feed the animals and get them used to you, and then shoot them when they return for the food? Or to artificially cancel out their millions of years of evolution by masking your scent beyond natural means? How does that prove anything? Cleetus just wants to show he is a man by killing an animal. Big whoop.

My grandfather used to say that if society fell, he could survive and would know what to do. Well, he at least used a bow and arrow. People who use guns are not going to be useful for long in a post-apocalyptic world. My grandpa could also spear fish and set snares. Survivalists at least have a goal in mind that makes sense. Being able to survive without modern conveniences is cooler than shooting a buck from a stand.

KnowEyeInnTeem: Cleetus just wants to show he is a man by killing an animal. Big whoop.

It'll be okay. Need a tissue?

Incidentally, you forgot:
A. at least one tiny penis reference
B. at least one reference to assault weapons
C. at least one reference to southerners or southern culture, "Cleetus" is not sufficient, but it's on the right track
D. at least one reference to diminished intelligence (separate from B)
E. a sentence including the exclamation 'Murica!'

Needs improvement.

FWIW, I can attest to what MikeSass says about deer.  I am a photographer, and spend much of my free time doing nature photography out in the state game area near my home. The deer there know me well enough for me to approach them even during times like fawning, when the does are extremely nervous and protective.  They don't get alarmed in the least, even if I get between them and the fawns.  I also hunt in the fall, and have several times had deer follow behind me just like he described.  I do shoo them off, because I don't want to get shot by accident, but most the time they just fall back to a greater distance and continue to follow me anyway.  I use scent elimination spray (Vanishing Hunter) when I am on land that I don't normally frequent, but in the places where I am out more than twice a week I don't bother anymore because they know who and what I am, and they're comfortable with me being near them.

Here's one that actually was trying to get me to play with her and her sibling one morning while their mother watched.



They are very simple-minded creatures and, like horses, are very easily influenced if you are willing and able to interact with them on their terms.

Sherman Potter: KnowEyeInnTeem: Cleetus just wants to show he is a man by killing an animal. Big whoop.

It'll be okay. Need a tissue?

Incidentally, you forgot:
A. at least one tiny penis reference
B. at least one reference to assault weapons
C. at least one reference to southerners or southern culture, "Cleetus" is not sufficient, but it's on the right track
D. at least one reference to diminished intelligence (separate from B)
E. a sentence including the exclamation 'Murica!'

Needs improvement.

Or, you could read what I said and be less of an ass than what you posit that I was being. The only one of your options that I am guilty of is C. Though, it is more of a hick thing than Southern, as hicks abound in all areas. And as for D, I am not arguing that the people are stupid so much as misguided in their thinking that using a gun to kill an animal tricked into coming to a predetermined spot is in any way sporting or genuine. Since you want those references: You are an idiot with a tiny penis?

KnowEyeInnTeem: You are an idiot with a tiny penis?

In your world, yes.

Define tiny.

uttertosh:
And, to answer the "why going against millions of evolotions" part - because we can. You will point out that "just because we can doesn't mean we haveto/should", to which I reply "Glad you caught up to speed." You then dither on some mumblings about natures way or gods will (depending on which state you were raised to loathe modern hunting in)

Bottom line? The base instincts to hunt are hardwired into most of us (dittybopper is example prime, in this thread), The 'desire to fit in' crowd makes up the broad base of unsuccessful hunters, whose brethren have developed tools to aid in success. Then there's the vegans, who say 'tarded shiat like "Oh, hunting? No, I just can't understand the appeal beyond dystopian survival." These people will be wiped out in the next natural disaster.

I have friends who only eat wild-self-hunted as their meat source. They're doing the environment infinitely more good than simply boycotting animal products.

/sorry, threadjackrant over

My point is just that hunting does not make sense to me(as practiced) because its practice is so far from what should be considered hunting. Basically, we should be stripped practically naked and allowed only primitive weapons that we construct in the local environment of the hunting grounds, and forced to rely on our evolved brains to outwit the preys evolved brains. That would make more sense to me as sport or genuine experience. I just think there should be more effort involved. A primal act (hunting) should be more primal. It does not have to be, but if it is not, there is not much to celebrate or enjoy.

To respond to some of your points, I would say that I am not a vegan. I eat a good 0.5-1.5 pounds of meat, poultry, or fish a day, with bison and sardines being my favorites. I usually have a pork chop with breakfast, half pound of ground turkey with lunch, a can of sardines(split as two snacks), and a half pound of meat/poultry/fish with dinner. I was raised in Texas by a family that ranged from hick to urban. I am aware of enough survival techniques to do just fine in a disaster scenario.

KnowEyeInnTeem: A primal act (hunting) should be more primal. It does not have to be, but if it is not, there is not much to celebrate or enjoy.

I guess you let your lady know you're interested in her by smashing her in the face and dragging her off to your cave by the hair, too, right?

Jonderson: FWIW, I can attest to what MikeSass says about deer.  I am a photographer, and spend much of my free time doing nature photography out in the state game area near my home. The deer there know me well enough for me to approach them even during times like fawning, when the does are extremely nervous and protective.  They don't get alarmed in the least, even if I get between them and the fawns.  I also hunt in the fall, and have several times had deer follow behind me just like he described.  I do shoo them off, because I don't want to get shot by accident, but most the time they just fall back to a greater distance and continue to follow me anyway.  I use scent elimination spray (Vanishing Hunter) when I am on land that I don't normally frequent, but in the places where I am out more than twice a week I don't bother anymore because they know who and what I am, and they're comfortable with me being near them.

Here's one that actually was trying to get me to play with her and her sibling one morning while their mother watched.

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They are very simple-minded creatures and, like horses, are very easily influenced if you are willing and able to interact with them on their terms.

BAAAAWWWWWWWW!  Cute overload!!!!!!

dittybopper: False.  This is the greatest deer hunting technology ever:

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Everything else is merely an incremental improvement on that.

Nature always beats anything created by humans

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: dittybopper: False.  This is the greatest deer hunting technology ever:

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Everything else is merely an incremental improvement on that.

Nature always beats anything created by humans

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You can tell that pup chews on the bones after eating a kill... lookit those pearly whites.

Mind you, I'm not going to be a hippie moron and try to tame it or even get close to it.  It's a wild predator, not a feral or domesticated dog.  Best I'm gonna do is stand there and not run or make myself a threat... and pray the pack isn't hungry.

Life on the line, I  may have a chance at fighting off a wolf, but not more than that.  They don't come at you in ones and twos like a hollywood film.  They'll all jump your ass and make you dog poop.

I'm not a hunter, I'm a lard-assed city boy.  If shiat hit the fan and I'm left fending for myself, I'll end up a vegetarian and opportunistic scavenger if I managed to survive at all.  My own odds are probably not good,  but I can be one stubborn SOB.

uttertosh: foo monkey: uttertosh: MikeSass: I have actually had deer follow 10-15 feet behind me through the woods (public land!) during hunting season

You're either lying, or really, really fuc7king stupid.

It's possible.  At the Air Force Academy, deer hunting is strictly controlled, to the point where they're vermin.  They come up into the cadet area all the time, shiat all over the place, and are accustomed to humans.  We're not talking NYC pigeons, but they're not afraid of people.

ok, not impossible, but really, really stupid. cool.

Valley Forge national park. Herds 50-60 deer, zero fear of people or cars because hunting is banned there.

Saberus Terras: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: dittybopper: False.  This is the greatest deer hunting technology ever:

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Everything else is merely an incremental improvement on that.

Nature always beats anything created by humans

[www.buzzle.com image 501x341]

You can tell that pup chews on the bones after eating a kill... lookit those pearly whites.

Mind you, I'm not going to be a hippie moron and try to tame it or even get close to it.  It's a wild predator, not a feral or domesticated dog.  Best I'm gonna do is stand there and not run or make myself a threat... and pray the pack isn't hungry.

Life on the line, I  may have a chance at fighting off a wolf, but not more than that.  They don't come at you in ones and twos like a hollywood film.  They'll all jump your ass and make you dog poop.

I'm not a hunter, I'm a lard-assed city boy.  If shiat hit the fan and I'm left fending for myself, I'll end up a vegetarian and opportunistic scavenger if I managed to survive at all.  My own odds are probably not good,  but I can be one stubborn SOB.

As a hint: rosebushes will save your life, but you can't eat enough squirrels to live.

(Vitamin c from the rosebushes, but squirrels and rabbits don't have enough fat on them to keep you alive for a long time. Trade their pelts. Rat pelts seem icky, but leather is leather in post apocalyptical fantasy land.)

But seriously, figure out shelter, water, and vitamin C.

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: dittybopper: False.  This is the greatest deer hunting technology ever:

[i48.tinypic.com image 640x480]

Everything else is merely an incremental improvement on that.

Nature always beats anything created by humans

Learn your place or we will turn you into Pomeranians again.