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(NBC News)   Sequester, Day 1: Navy to stand down 4 air wings, Air Force will cut flying hours, Army will stop training for 80% of units. Meanwhile, congressional pay to be cut by exactly zero   (nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com) divider line 206
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2013-03-02 10:01:54 AM
And for all these years, the GOP kept insisting that they were the only people really supporting the troops.

Funny, I didn't think "support" included:

-Fabricating two wars on false intel, but sending in the troops anyway
-Sending them ill equipped to engage the current enemy, then refusing to fund efforts to procure said equipment
-Funneling money to private "security firms" who do more damage than good
-Waste trillions of dollars and thousands of dead soldiers to find jack shiat in Iraq
-Refuse to pay for the bills from the above items, then stand by and cheer as military funding is cut as a last gasp measure to pay for it -- all because you won't close a loophole that pays big business to move jobs overseas


I'm not sure that will all fit on a yellow car magnet.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-02 10:28:27 AM
There's a constitutional amendment prohibiting a session of Congress from cutting its own pay.
 
2013-03-02 10:34:03 AM

ZAZ: There's a constitutional amendment prohibiting a session of Congress from cutting its own pay.


Figures. Well, then again, those in charge get to write the rules...
 
2013-03-02 10:41:40 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And for all these years, the GOP kept insisting that they were the only people really supporting the troops.

Funny, I didn't think "support" included:

-Fabricating two wars on false intel, but sending in the troops anyway
-Sending them ill equipped to engage the current enemy, then refusing to fund efforts to procure said equipment
-Funneling money to private "security firms" who do more damage than good
-Waste trillions of dollars and thousands of dead soldiers to find jack shiat in Iraq
-Refuse to pay for the bills from the above items, then stand by and cheer as military funding is cut as a last gasp measure to pay for it -- all because you won't close a loophole that pays big business to move jobs overseas


I'm not sure that will all fit on a yellow car magnet.


Look - every one knows that supporting the troops ends at the purchase of your yellow magnet.

It certainly does not extend into something that requires thought or effort.
 
2013-03-02 10:54:39 AM

Bontesla: Look - every one knows that supporting the troops ends at the purchase of your yellow magnet.


I never bought one!   Those things are ugly and would look terrible on my car.
 
2013-03-02 11:00:02 AM

raerae1980: Those things are ugly and would look terrible on my car.


And if you leave it on the car long enough it'll mess with your paint job.  And who wants that?!
 
2013-03-02 11:01:03 AM

Bontesla: Look - every one knows that supporting the troops ends at the purchase of your yellow magnet.


My car is aluminum.. Am I unpatriotic?
 
2013-03-02 11:07:18 AM
Take your pick.

treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts against one's sovereign or nation.  Likewise the term "traitor" is used in heated political discussion - typically as a slur against political dissidents, or against officials in power who are perceived as failing to act in the best interest of their constituents. In certain cases, as with the German Dolchstoßlegende, the accusation of treason towards a large group of people can be a unifying political  message .


sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the  laws . Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.


My good friends, it is time to impose the Law of The Land on our farked up Congresscritters.

Just say no has gone FUBAR.
 
2013-03-02 11:24:09 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: And for all these years, the GOP kept insisting that they were the only people really supporting the troops.

Funny, I didn't think "support" included:

-Fabricating two wars on false intel, but sending in the troops anyway



What would be the other war based on false inel (besides Iraq I'm guessing ?)
 
2013-03-02 11:35:44 AM
Well, if Republicans have a problem with this, maybe they should have negotiated to end the sequester to allow targeted cuts.
 
2013-03-02 11:39:34 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: ZAZ: There's a constitutional amendment prohibiting a session of Congress from cutting its own pay.

Figures. Well, then again, those in charge get to write the rules...


That amendment was passed by Congress along with the first ten amendments known as "The Bill of Rights" and it took roughly 200 years for enough states to ratify it for it to become law. There was no deadline for ratification by the states, so it just sort of floated around for two centuries and finally got ratified. I raise this for no other reason than I find it an interesting historical anecdote. But, the people who wrote that particular rule have been dead a long time.
 
2013-03-02 11:40:31 AM
Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-03-02 11:47:25 AM
I remember, before Reagan and the Moral Majority, the GOP was run by guys like Ike, who understood governing is a give and take process and when both sides meet in the middle, the best interest of the country is served.

I miss Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon. I never thought I'd say that.
 
2013-03-02 11:49:51 AM
80% of Army units will be on police call, as per usual.
 
2013-03-02 11:51:28 AM

Nabb1: But, the people who wrote that particular rule have been dead a long time.


Contrariwise, a lot of those who ratified it so it could become a rule are still alive.
 
2013-03-02 11:59:07 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: ZAZ: There's a constitutional amendment prohibiting a session of Congress from cutting its own pay.

Figures. Well, then again, those in charge get to write the rules...


I believe the amendment also bars a congressional pay raise from going into effect until the next elected Congress as well.  The point being EXACTLY the opposite of what you're implying.  It means that every time they want to futz with their own pay, they have to stand for election before that vote takes effect.
 
2013-03-02 12:03:25 PM

wejash: Grand_Moff_Joseph: ZAZ: There's a constitutional amendment prohibiting a session of Congress from cutting its own pay.

Figures. Well, then again, those in charge get to write the rules...

I believe the amendment also bars a congressional pay raise from going into effect until the next elected Congress as well.  The point being EXACTLY the opposite of what you're implying.  It means that every time they want to futz with their own pay, they have to stand for election before that vote takes effect.


If I recall correctly, Congress will stop being paid if the government is unable to stop the shutdown coming March 27th.  Their pay is suspended as part of another threat worked into that deal, because it worked so well last time.
 
2013-03-02 12:03:57 PM

One Bad Apple: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And for all these years, the GOP kept insisting that they were the only people really supporting the troops.

Funny, I didn't think "support" included:

-Fabricating two wars on false intel, but sending in the troops anyway


What would be the other war based on false inel (besides Iraq I'm guessing ?)


Al-Qaeda didn't really attack us and they weren't really in Afghanistan.  And they aren't really terrorists.  They're just a barbershop quartet.  Their harmonizing sucks, but they're otherwise harmless.
 
2013-03-02 12:37:03 PM

Irving Maimway: I miss Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon. I never thought I'd say that.


You really know the country is farked up when people are nostalgic for Nixon.  But that's where we are.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-02 12:48:06 PM

Ambivalence: Irving Maimway: I miss Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon. I never thought I'd say that.

You really know the country is farked up when people are nostalgic for Nixon.  But that's where we are.


I remember when it was an insult to compare a politician to Nixon.
 
2013-03-02 12:50:59 PM

Ambivalence: Irving Maimway: I miss Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon. I never thought I'd say that.

You really know the country is farked up when people are nostalgic for Nixon.  But that's where we are.


www.ruthlessreviews.com


I blame Futurama
 
2013-03-02 12:55:43 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Figures. Well, then again, those in charge get to write the rules...


Yeah and we get to vote them out. Except between blind party loyalty and SuperPACs, incumbents have a huge advantage. It's sad that when Congressional approval is near or at all time lows, we didn't have enough upsets to change things.
 
2013-03-02 12:58:19 PM

Gig103: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Figures. Well, then again, those in charge get to write the rules...

Yeah and we get to vote them out. Except between blind party loyalty and SuperPACs, incumbents have a huge advantage. It's sad that when Congressional approval is near or at all time lows, we didn't have enough upsets to change things.


"My Congressman is fine.  It's those others that are the problem."

/Currently in SC, so I can't really claim that.  My Congressman are the problem.
 
2013-03-02 01:03:09 PM
NeoCortex42:
"My Congressman is fine.  It's those others that are the problem."

/Currently in SC, so I can't really claim that.  My Congressman are the problem.


Yeah, FL here. My 'critter voted against VAWA. My shocked face, let me show you it.
 
2013-03-02 01:11:21 PM
I never really thought they'd actually let it happen. I figured they'd end up kicking it a little further down the road, not light the f*ckin road on fire.

Silly me.
 
2013-03-02 01:16:18 PM
All those things cost money? Who knew?
 
2013-03-02 01:16:57 PM
Obama got exactly what he wanted...except for more spending and tax increases.
 
2013-03-02 01:21:24 PM

edmo: All those things cost money? Who knew?


They're STILL costing just about as much money. They didn't pawn all the planes and ships.
 
2013-03-02 01:45:35 PM

Irving Maimway: I remember, before Reagan and the Moral Majority, the GOP was run by guys like Ike, who understood governing is a give and take process and when both sides meet in the middle, the best interest of the country is served.

I miss Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon. I never thought I'd say that.


The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing people to vote against their own best interest because they don't like something/someone.
 
2013-03-02 01:59:01 PM
If the military could just cut back by that much every day for a decade we might get somewhere with these cuts.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-02 02:10:06 PM
If the military could just cut back by that much every day for a decade we might get somewhere with these cuts.

We could zero out the military budget and we'd still be in financial trouble (ignoring secondary economic effects). The trillions in "savings" from various plans are generally cumulative over a decade, not budget-balancing cuts.
 
2013-03-02 02:10:25 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Obama got exactly what he wanted...except for more spending and tax increases.


Please cite where Obama has called for more spending increases. I'm not holding my breath, here. I'm actually pretty sure you're not coming back to this thread.
 
2013-03-02 02:15:46 PM
Oh no, now we'll never be able to defend ourselves against the Romulans.
 
2013-03-02 02:18:21 PM
Here's to hoping we aren't invaded by Mexico, Canada or Iran. Thanks, Obamatator.
 
2013-03-02 02:25:27 PM

NewportBarGuy: 80% of Army units will be on police call, as per usual.


Hell I'm supposed to be doing some training right now but nothing is going on today.
 
2013-03-02 02:27:55 PM
I'd love it if annual congressional pay was limited to the median annual income of their constituents. Yeah, it'll never happen, but it sure would be nice.
 
2013-03-02 02:29:05 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: ZAZ: There's a constitutional amendment prohibiting a session of Congress from cutting its own pay.

Figures. Well, then again, those in charge get to write the rules...


Actually, the amendment was proposed with the original Bill of Rights in 1789.  It was anti-congress activists that got enough state legislatures to pass it in 1992.
 
2013-03-02 02:30:15 PM
Here's the issue with cutting Congressional pay:

AMENDMENT XXVII
Originally proposed

No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of representatives shall have intervened.


And we all know they won't vote to decrease their pay.
 
2013-03-02 02:30:36 PM
Congress shouldn't have it's pay cut, Subby. It's the voter's fault for reelecting the blah man. So the voters deserve to have their pay cut.
 
2013-03-02 02:32:15 PM
And the down side of all these cuts will be nil.

Cut the army in half and we still would not notice the difference.  The only effect would be that the politicos will be less tempted to use it/
 
2013-03-02 02:33:07 PM

NeoCortex42: Gig103: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Figures. Well, then again, those in charge get to write the rules...

Yeah and we get to vote them out. Except between blind party loyalty and SuperPACs, incumbents have a huge advantage. It's sad that when Congressional approval is near or at all time lows, we didn't have enough upsets to change things.

"My Congressman is fine.  It's those others that are the problem."

/Currently in SC, so I can't really claim that.  My Congressman are the problem.


Mine was Todd Akin until last year and now it's some other Republican who isn't clinically retarded and hasn't managed to embarss himself yet.
 
2013-03-02 02:37:49 PM
I see we're off to a roaring start of Obama the Blameless in this thread. I continue to be amazed how nothing is ever his fault, even when it was his idea. He had an important golf game with Tiger Woods to get to, it wasn't like anything important was coming up on March 1st.

Should be funny when, and yes it will happen, we get another Republican president. We can get back to everything bad that happens being the presidents fault as opposed to what we have now... Which is Obama the Blameless who is never to be held accountable for anything. To paraphrase Paul Ryan... Obama has assumed office and it's about time he assumes responsibility.
 
2013-03-02 02:39:14 PM

randomjsa: Should be funny when, and yes it will happen, we get another Republican president. We can get back to everything bad that happens being the presidents fault as opposed to what we have now... Which is Obama the Blameless who is never to be held accountable for anything.


So our roles would reverse then?
 
2013-03-02 02:40:05 PM
It's a start.
 
2013-03-02 02:41:04 PM
I still can't get over the town crier bemoaning Obama "using the troops as a prop."  If I recall correctly, the previous administration did that once per week for 8 years.
 
2013-03-02 02:42:54 PM

badhatharry: It's a start.


Yes, tanking the economy is the start of the end for the GOP.
 
2013-03-02 02:42:57 PM

doyner: I still can't get over the town crier bemoaning Obama "using the troops as a prop."  If I recall correctly, the previous administration did that once per week for 8 years.


IOKIYAR
 
2013-03-02 02:45:16 PM

doyner: I still can't get over the town crier bemoaning Obama "using the troops as a prop."  If I recall correctly, the previous administration did that once per week for 8 years.


Dead civilians too.
 
2013-03-02 02:46:06 PM
stop training for 80% of units

This is an outright lie.
 
2013-03-02 02:46:42 PM

randomjsa: We can get back to everything bad that happens being the presidents fault as opposed to what we have now... Which is Obama the Blameless who is never to be held accountable for anything.


I'm awfully curious to hear what you have held republicans accountable for.
 
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