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(Washington Times)   Fewer math teachers, more assistant offensive line coaches and deputy superintendents for diversity enhancement (grades 4-5) - now THAT will fix our education system   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 9
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2013-03-02 01:01:42 PM  
2 votes:
Conservatives undermine public education for decades, and then they're shocked, SHOCKED that public education is broken.
2013-03-02 04:03:31 PM  
1 votes:
For those of you who have turned to vehemently arguing about the money football that is now the focus of education, you may want to reflect upon the fact that - as far as can be ascertained - whenever something becomes primarily about money, what it's supposed to be about become a tertiary concern at best.  Shoveling every single thing we do into the maw of our favorite, dime store tin god, money, so far - has been the problem.  Education, medicine, governance.  All obliterated under the sh*tstorm of these precious debt notes we have to keep moving around, hopefully toward us, and left useless and cowering at god money's feet.  Education isn't about education.  Or children, or their future, or well being or excellence.  It's about who gets to put what part of the dwindling budget into the trunk of their car.  And until we do something about that, the rest of this is the textbook definition of moot.
2013-03-02 03:03:51 PM  
1 votes:

DrZiffle: leevis: DrZiffle: leevis: DrZiffle: Conservatives undermine public education for decades, and then they're shocked, SHOCKED that public education is broken.

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It's politicians from both sides that have screwed the system up. Some of them have been more concerned about slashing the budget, some of them have more concerned about turning it into a political indoctrination center.

Not a troll. Conservatives consistently support vouchers for private schools and attempt to break teachers unions. Keep you false equivalences to yourself.

Teachers unions aren't about improving education anymore, if they ever were. They exist to block merit-based promotions and fight for benefits packages that help bankrupt cities and states. Vouchers for private schools don't affect Johnny's ability to learn math from an incompetent teacher in a public schoo

How about paying a decent wage? And don't give me that "teachers get the summer off bullshiat." Pay a living wage and Johnny's teacher might do better.

Classrooms are overcrowded, and teachers are overworked because of the right's litany of "no taxes no taxes!"
Conservative republicans promote creationism and climate-change denial. No child left behind undermines teaching in favor of testing and outcomes assessments that come out of corporate culture.

And "Johnny's incompetent teacher" is a red herring, a hasty generalization, and a half dozen other logical fallacies.


Just because they're not earning what the unions want them to earn, doesn't mean they're not getting a living wage. The lowest starting pay for a teacher is more than I make, and I do well enough. If classrooms are overcrowded, private schools lessen the workload on public school teachers. Only a fraction of republicans promote creationism, they just happen to be vocal about it. I've yet to hear about climate change being an education issue. No child left behind was bi-partisan. "Johnny's incompetent teacher" isn't a red herring, it's the result of those same unions who you're determined to believe are interested in how well children learn.
2013-03-02 02:54:42 PM  
1 votes:

BMFPitt: Fizpez: So (like everyone else) we had our budget slashed every year for the past 5 years.  In the past teachers had a "duty" period where you would monitor a lunch or a study hall.  We used our math and science teachers to tutor kids who had failed the state graduation (OGT) test - we had (/BoratOn "Great Success" /Boratoff) with the program.

When the cuts finally became too deep we did what most schools did - we let a bunch of teachers go, hired untrained "mothers" to babysit the studyhalls and lunch and had the remaining teachers teach an extra period during that time.  In and of themselves none of these things is a crime against humanity but the results were fairly predictable:

The lunches and study halls are bigger discipline problems as the students figured out the babysitters had no real power.
The kids that failed the OGT arent getting any additional help.
The remaining staff is more worn out and less connected since you basically never leave your room during the day.

And even if you ignore all of those other points, by this studies measure our school is now "worse" because we have more "non teachers" than we had before - and all because of the cuts made by the very same people who LOVE studies like this.

If firing competent teachers and hiring babysitters was your solution to budget cuts that may or may not have actually happened, then you're a poster child for why they are right.


It wasn't MY solution to anything - the state blows a HUGE whole in your budget by slashing funding so they can say "lookie lookie, balanced budget!"  The school districts are left to cope best they can.

And here's a little fact you may want to remember:  Schools are not allowed to run deficits (at least in Ohio) unless they want to be taken over by the state and have their programs burned to the ground.

When sports are already pay to play, when you've cut all those nice "elective" classes that tend to turn out well rounded students, when the building is being "maintained" by less than 1/2 the people it really takes, when you've already frozen salaries and increased employee payments for everything including health care about as high as you can go - the last desperate cuts are to teachers, so you overload your classrooms to the state maximum and hire babysitters for lunch.  Yes, that's what you do because there are no more moves to make.  But I'm sure you've got all the answers.
2013-03-02 02:44:23 PM  
1 votes:
Helicopter moms, whiny, 30ish ratbags stomping around saying "exCUSE me, that came out of my VAGINA and YOU have to do what I SAY", fatherless homes, sexual predators, (some of them teachers), quasi literate educators teaching 6th graders when they can barely read, endless hand wringing about diversity and bubble wrapping, math and sciences funding disappearing into security budgets.  Armed guards, weapons smuggling.  We're not funding or running schools, folks.  It's incarceration prep.  And it's going to get worse because the people who CAN fund and direct education don't want the real deal anywhere near the future crop of shovel monkeys and waitresses.  You have to keep the riff raff out.  It's all about moving money around and as prisons and schools get privatized, it's just gonna be one more turnstile with a pay window, either way.  The wealthy wont rest until "public" anything will be the same as "public toilet".  Sh*tty, messy, smelly, and if you don't like it, then don't use it.  Buy something better.
2013-03-02 02:26:46 PM  
1 votes:
Here's what I think schools should be doing:

1) starting in the 1st grade, students are given a final exam covering reading and math.  If they can't read, they repeat the first grade.  If they score below a bench mark, repeat the first grade, within X% of benchmark summer school, retest and either move on or repeat.

This test is done annually based on each grade.  Can't read, write or do math at that grade level, repeat.

2) we need more teachers, but it is a shiat job.  Low pay, high requirements, and each time you punish or fail a kid the parents get pissed.  Teachers should not need anything beyond an Associate's degree.  Secondly, benefit of the doubt has to fall to the teacher.  If the teacher fails little Johnny because he hasn't turned in any assignments, how does the teacher prove that to an angry mother who shouts that Johnny turned in everything?  Now, this is the hard part, but, there needs to be a return to parenting similar to when I was a kid which is if the teacher says the child is failing, the parent backs the teacher.  If the teacher says the child is misbehaving, the parent backs the teacher.  It is really no surprise that the parents who assume the teacher is wrong and the child is innocent are my former classmates.  Clearly, very few of them grew up.

3). Put more money into schools.  Why can cities build new sports stadiums but not put any of that money into the schools?

4). Physical activities.  I have heard about schools that have eliminated p.e. and cut recess back or completely out.  Kids have a ton of energy.  You can't expect them to sit in desks all day long like adults.  But with this nonsense of teaching to the test, that's happened.

5). Make it clear to parents that schools aren't babysitters, if they don't like it, they are free to home school.

6) some lessons may go against your religious beliefs.  Don't like it, look to other schools.

7) in jr high, aptitude testing and give the option for a high school for those who are college bound or a high school focused on a trade.  This generalized high school that ends with students being ill prepared for college and unskilled for anything beyond a minimum wage job is stupid.  Include how to interview tips as well as job placement or scholarship help.
2013-03-02 12:55:13 PM  
1 votes:
Next you're going to tell me there's more support staff then doctors in a Hospital.  I am shocked, horrifically shocked at these insinuations.
2013-03-02 12:51:32 PM  
1 votes:
We could focus on more important things if you farkin people would actually raise your kids instead of expecting the schools to do it for you
2013-03-02 12:46:37 PM  
1 votes:
So (like everyone else) we had our budget slashed every year for the past 5 years.  In the past teachers had a "duty" period where you would monitor a lunch or a study hall.  We used our math and science teachers to tutor kids who had failed the state graduation (OGT) test - we had (/BoratOn "Great Success" /Boratoff) with the program.

When the cuts finally became too deep we did what most schools did - we let a bunch of teachers go, hired untrained "mothers" to babysit the studyhalls and lunch and had the remaining teachers teach an extra period during that time.  In and of themselves none of these things is a crime against humanity but the results were fairly predictable:

The lunches and study halls are bigger discipline problems as the students figured out the babysitters had no real power.
The kids that failed the OGT arent getting any additional help.
The remaining staff is more worn out and less connected since you basically never leave your room during the day.

And even if you ignore all of those other points, by this studies measure our school is now "worse" because we have more "non teachers" than we had before - and all because of the cuts made by the very same people who LOVE studies like this.
 
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