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2013-03-02 08:50:11 AM
the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

obama needs to march over to congress with a megaphone and say, "HEY, ASSHOLES - I'M NOT JUST ASKING FOR TAX LOOPHOLES TO BE CUT; I'M ALSO OFFERING CUTS TO ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS LIKE YOU ASKED."
 
2013-03-02 09:42:31 AM
They can't get over the being black factor.
 
2013-03-02 10:54:03 AM

raerae1980: Has there ever been a time when we had a political party act so against the country's interests, besides the Civil War.


no.
 
2013-03-02 10:59:04 AM
No, he wants to raise taxes on everybody he can.
 
2013-03-02 11:22:13 AM

IronTom: No, he wants to raise taxes on everybody he can.


Whereas the Republicans openly want to raise taxes on everyone but rich people and then criticize anything Obama does that raises taxes on anyone.
 
2013-03-02 11:22:54 AM

IronTom: No, he wants to raise taxes on everybody he can.


apart from being completely false, your statement is perfectly cromulent.
 
2013-03-02 11:54:06 AM
Don't these congresspeople have aides? They must know what's in the legislation, or are they Foxbots as well?
 
2013-03-02 11:55:03 AM
That sentence was 19 words too long.
 
2013-03-02 12:02:36 PM

FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.


This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,
 
2013-03-02 12:09:25 PM

DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,


I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.
 
2013-03-02 12:40:01 PM
One of the most useful sentences of all time was uttered by Upton Sinclair, who said, "It is impossible to make a man understand something if his livelihood depends on not understanding it."

Put that quote in Latin and make it the official Republican motto.
 
2013-03-02 12:42:19 PM
You could have stopped at "Republicans don't understand."
 
2013-03-02 12:49:59 PM
They've spent years trying to alter reality through media manipulation.  it's not that THEY don't know, it's that they think we can't know.
 
2013-03-02 01:12:22 PM
Their mind automatically believes anything that prevents them from having to admit error
 
2013-03-02 01:15:18 PM

GAT_00: DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,

I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.


Exactly. He's the best centrist Republican since Clinton, yet he's still wrong no matter what
 
2013-03-02 01:15:25 PM
Congressional Republicans don't even understand what Obama is offering, wrongly believing that he solely wants to raise taxes on the rich

Ummmm....no.  They understand perfectly well, they're just not letting little things like facts, truth, logic, etc. get in the way of their talking points.
 
2013-03-02 01:15:37 PM
He's already raised payroll taxes on everyone.
 
2013-03-02 01:20:29 PM
Oh i figured it out, if obama does it its bad, if the republicans do it its good. BUT, if you oppose the president on something he did and it turns out to be successful its because the republicans are great, and if you support something the president doesnt and it goes south then its obviously all his fault.
 
2013-03-02 01:28:45 PM
Sticking it to the libs is all they care about.
 
2013-03-02 01:30:31 PM

Lionel Mandrake: One of the most useful sentences of all time was uttered by Upton Sinclair, who said, "It is impossible to make a man understand something if his livelihood depends on not understanding it."

Put that quote in Latin and make it the official Republican motto.


Si impossibile est aliquid intelligere hominem secundum substantiam non intelligunt.
 
2013-03-02 01:30:42 PM

LargeCanine: He's already raised payroll taxes on everyone.


Ooo, I bet you'll get some bites on that one.
 
2013-03-02 01:31:24 PM

LargeCanine: He's already raised payroll taxes on everyone.


Hey everyone, John Boehner has a Fark account!
 
2013-03-02 01:32:46 PM
Teufelaffe:

Ooo, I bet you'll get some bites on that one.

I was THIS close.
 
2013-03-02 01:34:39 PM

Minarets: Teufelaffe:

Ooo, I bet you'll get some bites on that one.

I was THIS close.


I just had to make that snarky comment because I saw John Boehner say that same tripe on TV  last night.
 
2013-03-02 01:35:59 PM

gittlebass: Oh i figured it out, if obama does it its bad, if the republicans do it its good. BUT, if you oppose the president on something he did and it turns out to be successful its because the republicans are great, and if you support something the president doesnt and it goes south then its obviously all his fault.


i1135.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-02 01:41:58 PM

GAT_00: DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,

I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.


I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer. He either won't so as not to piss off those who it would affect or it was never a genuine offer because he knows the GOP won't budge anyway. But if he did it would certainly apply more pressure.

Nothing more here than political chicken.
 
2013-03-02 01:44:46 PM
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2013-03-02 01:45:21 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer.


Why should he?

"Mr. President, please help us by naming the cuts (that we want, not you) because they are unpopular and then we can blame them on you."

Obama wants more revenue, he's named it. Boehner wants more cuts, he won't name them.

Who's not leading here?
 
2013-03-02 01:46:42 PM
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Would Teaching Republicans About Obama Help?

Perhaps.  Maybe for the two short ones near the back.  They may not have had the idea cemented in their heads that anything Obama says automatically includes a secret plan to turn the country into a socialist Muslim hellscape.

The rest of them?  Each and every day, Fox news and Rush Limbaugh drop another load of guano on their minds; by now, that stuff's layered a mile thick.  You'd need the Death Star to penetrate.
 
2013-03-02 01:48:46 PM
OBAMA BAD!!
 
2013-03-02 01:49:40 PM

Minarets: Lionel Mandrake: One of the most useful sentences of all time was uttered by Upton Sinclair, who said, "It is impossible to make a man understand something if his livelihood depends on not understanding it."

Put that quote in Latin and make it the official Republican motto.

Si impossibile est aliquid intelligere hominem secundum substantiam non intelligunt.


Nice!  Thanks!

/I hate you for knowing Latin
//but I plan on studying it...soon ;)
 
2013-03-02 01:50:27 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: GAT_00: DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,

I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.

I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer. He either won't so as not to piss off those who it would affect or it was never a genuine offer because he knows the GOP won't budge anyway. But if he did it would certainly apply more pressure.

Nothing more here than political chicken.


Ummm.. Here's the summary and the details were proposed to Congress.
how much more specific were you hoping for?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester/the-presidents-plan
 
2013-03-02 01:52:24 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Snowflake Tubbybottom: I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer.

Why should he?

"Mr. President, please help us by naming the cuts (that we want, not you) because they are unpopular and then we can blame them on you."

Obama wants more revenue, he's named it. Boehner wants more cuts, he won't name them.

Who's not leading here?


All of the above.
 
2013-03-02 01:52:51 PM

Karac: You'd need the Death Star to penetrate.


Damn shame we didn't build one then.

\Or maybe we are and they're just not telling us.
\\The ISS is just a ruse to make us think we're not as far along as we are.
\\\What has that military shuttle been doing, anyway?
 
2013-03-02 01:53:55 PM

fritton: Snowflake Tubbybottom: GAT_00: DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,

I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.

I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer. He either won't so as not to piss off those who it would affect or it was never a genuine offer because he knows the GOP won't budge anyway. But if he did it would certainly apply more pressure.

Nothing more here than political chicken.

Ummm.. Here's the summary and the details were proposed to Congress.
how much more specific were you hoping for?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester/the-presidents-plan


I for one would love to see the Republican version of this:

www.whitehouse.gov
 
2013-03-02 01:54:08 PM

IronTom: No, he wants to raise taxes on everybody he can.


Taxes aren't being raised to punish you. They're being raised so the country can meet its financial obligations.
 
2013-03-02 01:54:53 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: All of the above.


Until the GOP is willing to budge on revenues nothing will happen. If and when that occurs, we'll see.
 
2013-03-02 01:56:21 PM

NeverDrunk23: Sticking it to the libs is all they care about.


You may very well be right.  Obama approved (signed) the sequestration knowing full well this turd would never get any traction with either party.  What he hadn't counted on was the Republican party calling his bluff, leaving him with his name all over a hand with nothing more than a pair of three's.  This doesn't mean we're stuck with sequestration, as we'll have other opportunities to come to the table to strike a deal.  It does mean that the Dems are going to have to play nice (calling the republican party obstructionists- tsk, tsk) if they want to ever get the president's name off this bag of garbage.
 
2013-03-02 01:56:40 PM

fritton: Snowflake Tubbybottom: GAT_00: DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,

I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.

I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer. He either won't so as not to piss off those who it would affect or it was never a genuine offer because he knows the GOP won't budge anyway. But if he did it would certainly apply more pressure.

Nothing more here than political chicken.

Ummm.. Here's the summary and the details were proposed to Congress.
how much more specific were you hoping for?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester/the-presidents-plan


You think saying he wants to cut loopholes and trimming waste is a specific plan? On my phone here so unless there was a graphic that didn't pop that is all it said.
 
2013-03-02 01:56:57 PM
Sigh.
 
2013-03-02 01:57:15 PM
Subby I think we see the problem: Congressional Republicans don't even understand what Obama is offering, wrongly believing that he solely wants to raise taxes on the rich math, public opinion
 
2013-03-02 01:57:27 PM
We went through all this with Obamacare. Republicans are astonishingly dependent on their constituency being underinformed. So, to prevent Obamacare from happening, they rushed to the airwaves with a bunch of stuff that was flat-out false before the actual plan could be disseminated in the media. Obama tried to counter with actual information, which, as I remember, led one skeptical conservative columnist to complain that he was "sick of Obama's lectures." The result is that a significant portion of the country STILL thinks that Obamacare is the "Kill Granny Death Panel and Institute Socialist Sharia Law Act of 2009."

So no. No, Republicans pretty much can't be taught. Nobody can, if they don't want to be, but Republicans have actually turned ignorance into policy. If it's a choice between agreeing with the President and being wrong, they'll be wrong. They're very proud of not letting facts get in the way of their principles.

...Yikes.
 
2013-03-02 01:58:28 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: GAT_00: DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,

I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.

I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer. He either won't so as not to piss off those who it would affect or it was never a genuine offer because he knows the GOP won't budge anyway. But if he did it would certainly apply more pressure.

Nothing more here than political chicken.


And if he detailed what he wanted to cut, then that's just another excuse for the GOP to unilaterally oppose it.  The specific cuts are irrelevant.
 
2013-03-02 01:59:21 PM

FlashHarry: obama needs to march over to congress with a megaphone and say, "HEY, ASSHOLES - I'M NOT JUST ASKING FOR TAX LOOPHOLES TO BE CUT; I'M ALSO OFFERING CUTS TO ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS LIKE YOU ASKED."


Which Republicans said they wanted done until Obama thought it was a good idea and then they became against it.
 
2013-03-02 02:00:41 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: You think saying he wants to cut loopholes and trimming waste is a specific plan? On my phone here so unless there was a graphic that didn't pop that is all it said.


There was a graphic, and it was pretty specific.
 
2013-03-02 02:01:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: fritton: Snowflake Tubbybottom: GAT_00: DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,

I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.

I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer. He either won't so as not to piss off those who it would affect or it was never a genuine offer because he knows the GOP won't budge anyway. But if he did it would certainly apply more pressure.

Nothing more here than political chicken.

Ummm.. Here's the summary and the details were proposed to Congress.
how much more specific were you hoping for?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester/the-presidents-plan

I for one would love to see the Republican version of this:

[www.whitehouse.gov image 620x1111]


Whar make UN members pay their parking tickets?! WHAR!
 
2013-03-02 02:02:20 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: fritton: Snowflake Tubbybottom: GAT_00: DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,

I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.

I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer. He either won't so as not to piss off those who it would affect or it was never a genuine offer because he knows the GOP won't budge anyway. But if he did it would certainly apply more pressure.

Nothing more here than political chicken.

Ummm.. Here's the summary and the details were proposed to Congress.
how much more specific were you hoping for?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester/the-presidents-plan

You think saying he wants to cut loopholes and trimming waste is a specific plan? On my phone here so unless there was a graphic that didn't pop that is all it said.


Yah there's a graphic that explains more.  MrTraveler01 linked it above in this thread.  It's still an executive summary but while it's not displayed in that link in bill form, it *was* proposed with items intact to congress.  I believe they even requested CBO scoring.
 
2013-03-02 02:02:31 PM

clowncar on fire: Mrtraveler01: fritton: Snowflake Tubbybottom: GAT_00: DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,

I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.

I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer. He either won't so as not to piss off those who it would affect or it was never a genuine offer because he knows the GOP won't budge anyway. But if he did it would certainly apply more pressure.

Nothing more here than political chicken.

Ummm.. Here's the summary and the details were proposed to Congress.
how much more specific were you hoping for?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester/the-presidents-plan

I for one would love to see the Republican version of this:

[www.whitehouse.gov image 620x1111]

Whar make UN members pay their parking tickets?! WHAR!


I for one am outraged that "Defend NPR/PBS" wasn't on there. That would balance the budget by itself.
 
2013-03-02 02:02:52 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: fritton: Snowflake Tubbybottom: GAT_00: DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,

I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.

I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer. He either won't so as not to piss off those who it would affect or it was never a genuine offer because he knows the GOP won't budge anyway. But if he did it would certainly apply more pressure.

Nothing more here than political chicken.

Ummm.. Here's the summary and the details were proposed to Congress.
how much more specific were you hoping for?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester/the-presidents-plan

You think saying he wants to cut loopholes and trimming waste is a specific plan? On my phone here so unless there was a graphic that didn't pop that is all it said.


Thanks for posting the graphic, I'll read up.
 
2013-03-02 02:04:54 PM

GAT_00: Snowflake Tubbybottom: GAT_00: DamnYankees: FlashHarry: the echo chamber strikes again. i'm guessing congressional republicans get ALL their information from fox news, which means that they're infromed - rather than informed.

This was my thought as well. I think its perfectly possible that a majority of the GOP caucus doesn't even realize Obama's offering any spending cuts,

I doubt they care.  What Obama offered is irrelevant.  They know Obama offered it, therefore it's bad.

I'd give the offer more credence if he actually detailed what he would cut with his half of the offer. He either won't so as not to piss off those who it would affect or it was never a genuine offer because he knows the GOP won't budge anyway. But if he did it would certainly apply more pressure.

Nothing more here than political chicken.

And if he detailed what he wanted to cut, then that's just another excuse for the GOP to unilaterally oppose it.  The specific cuts are irrelevant.


So if the GOP proposed only taxing the 47% you would also consider that irrelevant?
 
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