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2013-03-02 07:43:30 AM  
Speech, guns, religion.... people these days think having a "Right" means you can do whatever you want.
 
2013-03-02 08:10:03 AM  
Why is the right attacking a PRIVATE college? I don't get it.
 
2013-03-02 08:18:52 AM  
The well-known Christian ministry was de-recognized as an official campus organization after they refused to comply with the college's non-discrimination policy.
The Christian group has a policy that mandates their leaders be followers of Christ. The college believes that policy violates their non-discrimination policy.


without knowing some more details of the college policy, I can't say if this is justified or not.  that said, if the group believed the school policy was in error, why not fight to change it?

*sigh*

that said...don't go after the christians.  they get off on this sort of stuff.  being chased out of the dorms and kicked off campus will only encourage them to go further.  let 'em pray, and give 'em a quiet place outta the way to do it, and leave 'em alone.  want to REALLY piss 'em off?  give them a pat on the head and cookie before sending 'em off to bed.  without some sort of 'oppression' they can't function.  be polite and accommodating and they'll explode.
 
2013-03-02 08:25:24 AM  
It's as if he wrote the article then proof read it and thought, "there is not enough derp so I shall have to add some", and add it he did.
 
2013-03-02 08:28:56 AM  
There should be some kind of "Outward Bound" program where American Christians who cry "oppression" are magically whisked to south Sudan or Somalia or even North Korea for a few weeks to allow them to compare and contrast usage of that word.
 
2013-03-02 08:34:40 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: There should be some kind of "Outward Bound" program where American Christians who cry "oppression" are magically whisked to south Sudan or Somalia or even North Korea for a few weeks to allow them to compare and contrast usage of that word.


THIS.
 
2013-03-02 08:45:52 AM  
Why do they need to be a recognized group to pray? Can't they just set up a facebook page and invite everyone?

(I know the answer of course: They want funding. I'm just pointing out the obvious solution to the problem)
 
2013-03-02 08:48:05 AM  

what_now: Why do they need to be a recognized group to pray? Can't they just set up a facebook page and invite everyone?

(I know the answer of course: They want funding. I'm just pointing out the obvious solution to the problem)


that's an interesting thought.
 
2013-03-02 08:51:35 AM  
"A fraternity was recently in violation of this as well, and they were asked to meet elsewhere - so it was not just InterVarsity."
 Who will think about the BROS?  The BROS are repressed too!
 
2013-03-02 08:53:15 AM  
a) The well-known Christian ministry was de-recognized as an official campus organization after they refused to comply with the college's non-discrimination policy.

b) The Christian group has a policy that mandates their leaders be followers of Christ. The college believes that policy violates their non-discrimination policy.

so, um, what??
SO discrimination is bad. Fine, I got no problem with that. You wouldnt want a campus organization that only allows straight white men to be in charge, excluding, minorities, women, gays. Sure fine.

WAIT, it is a Xian group which requires their leaders be Xians?
Um
I am completely OK with this.

A Jewish group would probably have a Jewish leader. Muslim, etc etc etc.
While I hate and despise all religion, I would still agree with their "right" to be led by people in their religion.
 
2013-03-02 08:56:08 AM  
While I'm sure there aren't many, what to the Jewish, Muslim, and any other religion for that matter, do?  How can they possibly get together without having been first recognized by the school?

How 'bout we leave religion to it's own devises and if the religious care to have a group sanctioned it should only be interfaith.  That would do some of the religious a world of good.  Not as much as Mr. Coffee Nerves idea, but...
 
2013-03-02 08:56:40 AM  

BunkyBrewman: "A fraternity was recently in violation of this as well, and they were asked to meet elsewhere - so it was not just InterVarsity."
 Who will think about the BROS?  The BROS are repressed too!


WAIT WHAT ?????
next they are going to tell us that Sororities are required to allow men as their leaders .... LOLOLOL
 
2013-03-02 09:39:25 AM  
"He was told they were no longer allowed inside the dorm ..."

The strong-arm tactics of the college frightened several members of the Bible study group.



Wat.
 
2013-03-02 09:45:14 AM  

namatad: BunkyBrewman: "A fraternity was recently in violation of this as well, and they were asked to meet elsewhere - so it was not just InterVarsity."
 Who will think about the BROS?  The BROS are repressed too!

WAIT WHAT ?????
next they are going to tell us that Sororities are required to allow men as their leaders .... LOLOLOL


if I were the christian group, I'd found an atheist club, then use it to host 'convert the heathen' events on campus.  when the school tries to shut them down, point out that they're not in violation of school policy.
 
2013-03-02 09:48:47 AM  

Weaver95: namatad: BunkyBrewman: "A fraternity was recently in violation of this as well, and they were asked to meet elsewhere - so it was not just InterVarsity."
 Who will think about the BROS?  The BROS are repressed too!

WAIT WHAT ?????
next they are going to tell us that Sororities are required to allow men as their leaders .... LOLOLOL

if I were the christian group, I'd found an atheist club, then use it to host 'convert the heathen' events on campus.  when the school tries to shut them down, point out that they're not in violation of school policy.


this quickly leads to a NAMBLA club ....
 
2013-03-02 09:52:07 AM  

what_now: Why do they need to be a recognized group to pray? Can't they just set up a facebook page and invite everyone?

(I know the answer of course: They want funding. I'm just pointing out the obvious solution to the problem)


"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. Matthew 6:5

The fundies don't actually read the bible,
 
2013-03-02 09:55:46 AM  
So if I read it right, the group was being shutdown because of a policy that all members 'must be followers of Christ".

Personally I would think they would look to bring in people that are non-beleivers so they could try and get them to convert.

But probably what happened is some anti-religous person wanted to join the group to be a disruptive influence, and the group rejected them knowing that was the intent. So a complaint was filed, and thus the group got labeled as being discriminatory.
 
2013-03-02 10:12:01 AM  
The strong-arm tactics of the college frightened several members of the Bible study group. But several agreed to tell their story - so long as they remained anonymous. The young collegians were fearful of backlash from college officials.

Puh-lease. It must be so scary being told that your club can't meet on campus because you're not a recognized club anymore.
 
2013-03-02 10:15:10 AM  
This thread should be fun.
 
2013-03-02 10:26:05 AM  
Winners don't click Town Hall links.
 
2013-03-02 10:32:33 AM  
Having to follow the same rules as everybody else?  Truly this is oppression.
 
2013-03-02 10:32:45 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Winners don't click Town Hall links.


Here's a non-Town Hall link.

http://www.wogx.com/story/21432126/chri

That said, these folks are idiots for actually writing that requirement in the policy. They probably would've gotten away with it if they kept it off the books...so to speak.
 
2013-03-02 10:34:42 AM  
I'm confused: the lead paragraph says 'Dorm Room', the last paragraph says 'Common Area'.

So which is it? If I didn't know better, I'd say somebody just might be full of shiat.
 
2013-03-02 10:35:01 AM  

BunkyBrewman: "A fraternity was recently in violation of this as well, and they were asked to meet elsewhere - so it was not just InterVarsity."
 Who will think about the BROS?  The BROS are repressed too!


Repressed? Best Freudian slip ever?
 
2013-03-02 10:36:15 AM  
I'm curious about this-I'm assuming that the black groups have black leaders, Jewish groups Jewish leaders and so on. Is the issue here that the Christian group has that specifically coded in their policy while the others don't? Why not just take it out and operate like every other club where the rule is in place just not written down?
 
2013-03-02 10:37:03 AM  
The strong-arm tactics of the college frightened several members of the Bible study group. But several agreed to tell their story - so long as they remained anonymous. The young collegians were fearful of backlash from college officials.

HAAA!!!! Where's that all-powerful friend of yours?  Didn't he have your back?  Is he unable to do something about this?  Could he do something about this, but has chosen not too?  Sounds like he's either a false God or it's part of his will, in which case you should either stop grovelling before him or you should just go with it.

Onward Christian Soldiers
 
2013-03-02 10:39:17 AM  

what_now: Why do they need to be a recognized group to pray? Can't they just set up a facebook page and invite everyone?

(I know the answer of course: They want funding. I'm just pointing out the obvious solution to the problem)


From the looks of it they wanted to use common room areas in the dorm for their study group rather than meet in someone's dorm room or at someone's off campus apartment. It looks like the college doesn't allow common areas to be used by student groups that aren't recognized as sanctioned organizations. They apply the same policy to other groups that have been kicked off campus.

Seems like a weird policy to me but a lot of stuff about school sanctioned groups and social clubs seems weird to me.
 
2013-03-02 10:39:58 AM  
We pointed out that Christian students holding a Bible study is a little bit different than a fraternity sponsoring a kegger in a dorm," Jao said.

This guy's actually in college and not just using words he learned in sitcoms, right?
 
2013-03-02 10:40:24 AM  

MFAWG: I'm confused: the lead paragraph says 'Dorm Room', the last paragraph says 'Common Area'.

So which is it? If I didn't know better, I'd say somebody just might be full of shiat.


It says Common Area in the third paragraph as well and if it's in Townhall you could take the "might" out of the equation.
 
2013-03-02 10:40:34 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: The strong-arm tactics of the college frightened several members of the Bible study group. But several agreed to tell their story - so long as they remained anonymous. The young collegians were fearful of backlash from college officials.


Oh for the love of God, of course Town Hall is being melodramatic about it.

All that happened is the school took away its status as a campus organization, they can still meet on its own wherever they want.

Time to whip this out again:

cafewitteveen.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-02 10:40:38 AM  
Holy flying spaghetti monster. I'm an atheist, but I don't see how four guys having a chat about the bible should be considered to be breaking any rules. I also don't think it's fair that the two religious groups were "de-recognized" as valid student groups. If you're a christian/catholic group, then it makes perfect sense that your leader should be of that persuasion.

/facepalm
 
2013-03-02 10:40:57 AM  
The strong-arm tactics of the college frightened several members of the Bible study group. But several agreed to tell their story - so long as they remained anonymous. The young collegians were fearful of backlash from college officials.

HAAA!!  I thought your all-powerful buddy had your back?  Where is he?  Why are you afraid?  Is he not as powerful as you thought?  Sounds like a false god to me.  Maybe you should stop grovelling before him.  Is he able to protect you from this threat, but has chosen not to?  Then maybe you should just role with it, you don't want to go against God's will and all.

Onward christian soldiers
www.msu.edu
 
2013-03-02 10:41:29 AM  
They were looking for a fight, they found one, they lost. They were hoping to lose so they could feel sorry for themselves and whine about how nobody respects them. So in that sense, they won. Of course, the fact remains that they're a sorry bunch of whiny losers and nobody respects them...
 
2013-03-02 10:41:33 AM  
The strong-arm tactics of the college frightened several members of the Bible study group. But several agreed to tell their story - so long as they remained anonymous. The young collegians were fearful of backlash from college officials.

HAAA!!  I thought your all-powerful buddy had your back?  Where is he?  Why are you afraid?  Is he not as powerful as you thought?  Sounds like a false god to me.  Maybe you should stop grovelling before him.  Is he able to protect you from this threat, but has chosen not to?  Then maybe you should just role with it, you don't want to go against God's will and all.

Onward christian soldiers
 
2013-03-02 10:41:58 AM  

Weaver95: without knowing some more details of the college policy, I can't say if this is justified or not.


Even presuming the de-recognition of the student group was correct (likely because of a clause about groups not discriminating on religion), this sounds problematic.

This wasn't done as a formal meeting of an organization, but as students having guests. There's no indication that there was another official event scheduled for the space, nor that they were actively chasing away residents with other religious beliefs who wanted to join in the conversation (which might conceivably separately infringe some non-discrimination policies about use of facilities). It doesn't sound like the group was large enough for a fire code problem.

Beyond that, it would seem a breach of the Right of Assembly. I suspect the RA is an atheist who slightly overstepped. It seems the school should check with its lawyers, then issue a guidelines clarification to the RA and students (possibly noting some of the above limits when the RA might properly step in), and direct an apology if appropriate.
 
2013-03-02 10:42:18 AM  

Bloody William: We pointed out that Christian students holding a Bible study is a little bit different than a fraternity sponsoring a kegger in a dorm," Jao said.

This guy's actually in college and not just using words he learned in sitcoms, right?


Sounds like I went to the wrong school.
 
2013-03-02 10:43:16 AM  
WTF?
 
2013-03-02 10:43:16 AM  
In the end there's a way to have the "inclusion" they are looking for without writing policy that is against nondiscrimination regulations.

They could write a "good behavior clause" covering members that would have allowed you to kick out and ban disruptive applicants if they were causing a problem.

They could have included an application process for membership similar to what a fraternity/sorority uses.

Instead they wrote and publicized policy requirements that were obviously contradictory to the schools regulations.  The school is obligated to enforce their regulations.  Whining bible organization should have expected it.  Intentionally breaking rules that apply to the entire school and getting rapped for it does not mean they were oppressed.
 
2013-03-02 10:44:17 AM  

fritton: In the end there's a way to have the "inclusion" they are looking for without writing policy that is against nondiscrimination regulations.

They could write a "good behavior clause" covering members that would have allowed you to kick out and ban disruptive applicants if they were causing a problem.

They could have included an application process for membership similar to what a fraternity/sorority uses.

Instead they wrote and publicized policy requirements that were obviously contradictory to the schools regulations.  The school is obligated to enforce their regulations.  Whining bible organization should have expected it.  Intentionally breaking rules that apply to the entire school and getting rapped for it does not mean they were oppressed.


Exactly, the organization was stupid enough to make that a written rule so my sympathy for them is pretty low.
 
2013-03-02 10:44:21 AM  
GAH!!! My stuff's all messed up.  It told me the first two failed to post, and when I reloaded they weren't there yet.  My apologies for spamming, didn't mean to.
 
2013-03-02 10:44:46 AM  
media.townhall.com

Town Hall punishes their subscribers by giving them reading material?
 
2013-03-02 10:45:15 AM  

abb3w: Weaver95: without knowing some more details of the college policy, I can't say if this is justified or not.

Even presuming the de-recognition of the student group was correct (likely because of a clause about groups not discriminating on religion), this sounds problematic.

This wasn't done as a formal meeting of an organization, but as students having guests. There's no indication that there was another official event scheduled for the space, nor that they were actively chasing away residents with other religious beliefs who wanted to join in the conversation (which might conceivably separately infringe some non-discrimination policies about use of facilities). It doesn't sound like the group was large enough for a fire code problem.

Beyond that, it would seem a breach of the Right of Assembly. I suspect the RA is an atheist who slightly overstepped. It seems the school should check with its lawyers, then issue a guidelines clarification to the RA and students (possibly noting some of the above limits when the RA might properly step in), and direct an apology if appropriate.


So large groups can just hijack a common area in a crowded dorm anytime they want to?
 
2013-03-02 10:45:41 AM  

MattStafford: I'm curious about this-I'm assuming that the black groups have black leaders, Jewish groups Jewish leaders and so on. Is the issue here that the Christian group has that specifically coded in their policy while the others don't? Why not just take it out and operate like every other club where the rule is in place just not written down?


That would be the proper thing to do.  Of course, a smart atheist will simple recruit all of his friends to show up on club election night and make sure they outnumber the Christians and vote him in.  Which they probably would never bother to do, except the club went out of their way to make a big deal out of having a believer being the leader, against the stated policies of the private college, and now probably deserve a little payback.
 
2013-03-02 10:46:47 AM  

abb3w: Beyond that, it would seem a breach of the Right of Assembly.


Is the college dorm public property?
 
2013-03-02 10:48:57 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: [media.townhall.com image 383x298]

Town Hall punishes their subscribers by giving them reading material?


My God, they're even meaner than I thought.  What would drive you to give someone that can barely comprehend English a book?  That's like doing jumping jacks in front of a chronic smoker with emphysema.

/totally want to read that book
//it's tears would nourish me
 
2013-03-02 10:49:48 AM  
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that this college has no organizations what so ever that are gender or race specific. I'm also going to make a really wild guess that any political groups on campus can't actually expect members to hold their political beliefs. Finally I'm quite sure that if this campus has a paper it let's all views be heard right?

I'm an atheist and even I can see this policy toward a Christian based group for what it is... An attempt to destroy it and discriminate against it using a back door method.
 
2013-03-02 10:50:33 AM  

Slives: So if I read it right, the group was being shutdown because of a policy that all members 'must be followers of Christ".

Personally I would think they would look to bring in people that are non-beleivers so they could try and get them to convert.

But probably what happened is some anti-religous person wanted to join the group to be a disruptive influence, and the group rejected them knowing that was the intent. So a complaint was filed, and thus the group got labeled as being discriminatory.


Test case! FTW!
 
2013-03-02 10:51:16 AM  
FTFA: "A Rollins spokesperson told Fox News that the rule was simply a miscommunication. "No group is allowed to hold meetings in the common space of residence halls," the spokesperson said. "A fraternity was recently in violation of this as well, and they were asked to meet elsewhere - so it was not just InterVarsity."

But that doesn't not matter to christ-o-drones, so let us all agree the end of christian religion was in the year 2013 in img1.fark.net

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-02 10:51:23 AM  

RyogaM: Of course, a smart atheist an assholewill simple recruit all of his friends to show up on club election night and make sure they outnumber the Christians and vote him in.


I'm an athiest, but that's a dick move.
 
2013-03-02 10:52:54 AM  

MFAWG: So large groups can just hijack a common area in a crowded dorm anytime they want to?


How is this different from a large group of friends getting together to play board games or charades in that very same common area?  Are you suggesting that that also be banned?
 
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