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2013-03-02 07:51:56 AM
Mason officials declined to discuss the specifics of Molly's case, citing privacy laws, but they urged the family to consider an internal appeal. Dantzler said about 1,500 applicants appeal their denial of in-state eligibility every year, and about half win.

"We just don't have that much time and effort to put into that," Hakopian said.


 OK, I stopped right there.  You don't have time for a routine appeal but you have time to whore it up to the media?
 
2013-03-02 07:57:17 AM
Will they deport the student to live with dad now?
 
2013-03-02 08:30:18 AM
LOL, it costs money to recieve an education in USA.

Enjoy your lack of social mobility and remember to keep voting for those politicians!
 
2013-03-02 08:32:06 AM
LaMan Dantzler, an associate registrar for certification at Mason, said, "It's not at the university's discretion to apply the law. The law establishes the requirements and the institution is responsible for following that law."

just another case of LaMan keeping you down
 
2013-03-02 08:32:10 AM
Sarajane Hakopian was found slain on Jan. 30, 2012, allegedly by an ex-boyfriend who was caught driving her van in Florida
 
2013-03-02 08:35:48 AM
Red tape is part of living.

Its good that this kid is learning this lesson now rather when he is older and more settled in life.

spawn73: LOL, it costs money to recieve an education in USA.

Enjoy your lack of social mobility and remember to keep voting for those politicians!


I see we have a Dane in here. Just wanted to start with that I really love northern Germanic culture.

As for your comment, political will to raise taxes is still pretty damn hard. With the exception of the Bush tax cuts expiring, no tax increases have made it to Obama's desk. When you have limited resources you need to pool them where you need them. This is America we are talking about here, not Denmark, and American culture is rather different on what our priorities should be.
 
2013-03-02 08:36:53 AM
Maybe she should claim to be an illegal alien
 
2013-03-02 08:37:21 AM

Lurk sober post drunk: LaMan Dantzler, an associate registrar for certification at Mason, said, "It's not at the university's discretion to apply the law. The law establishes the requirements and the institution is responsible for following that law."

just another case of LaMan keeping you down


And this is total BS. Laws like this Generally have some way for the Bursar or Dean or Chancellor to offer aid, change prices, etc.
 
2013-03-02 08:38:45 AM
I wish I could say anything at all about this surprises me.

As far as not having time for an internal appeal, maybe it's a prohibitively long process? Maybe she has to reply to the other colleges before a deadline?

She does sound like she has a good sense of humor about it, and plenty of options other than Mason. Good for her.
 
2013-03-02 08:38:54 AM
I hate that crap. My parents never paid a cent for my education, yet their income determined my financial aid?!?
 
2013-03-02 08:39:18 AM

weave: Mason officials declined to discuss the specifics of Molly's case, citing privacy laws, but they urged the family to consider an internal appeal. Dantzler said about 1,500 applicants appeal their denial of in-state eligibility every year, and about half win.

"We just don't have that much time and effort to put into that," Hakopian said.

 OK, I stopped right there.  You don't have time for a routine appeal but you have time to whore it up to the media?


This.

There is a state law that deals with in state and out of state tuition for a reason. The law is very black and white and doesn't provide for situations like hers, that is why there is an appeals process set up to handle situations like her's. If you can't be bothered to go through the appeal then shut the fark up and don't complain.
 
2013-03-02 08:41:29 AM
 they urged the family to consider an internal appeal
 
2013-03-02 08:42:43 AM
 they urged the family to consider an internal appeal

somebodysparents.com


/oops
 
2013-03-02 08:42:49 AM
"If I am not a resident of Virginia," she said in an e-mail, "then what state do I 'reside' in? My philosophy class would have a field day with that one. :-)"

Please don't confuse the liberal arts majors...  the world needs more fry captains.
 
2013-03-02 08:44:36 AM

Lurk sober post drunk: they urged the family to consider an internal appeal

[somebodysparents.com image 548x308]

/oops


I love her Fantastic Four tattoo.

Also her gold toof.
 
2013-03-02 08:45:47 AM

Lurk sober post drunk: they urged the family to consider an internal appeal

[somebodysparents.com image 548x308]

/oops


Wow...just wow. Did you put any thought into how that post would be received?
 
2013-03-02 08:47:01 AM

cman: Lurk sober post drunk: they urged the family to consider an internal appeal

[somebodysparents.com image 548x308]

/oops

Wow...just wow. Did you put any thought into how that post would be received?


???
 
2013-03-02 08:53:21 AM

weave: Mason officials declined to discuss the specifics of Molly's case, citing privacy laws, but they urged the family to consider an internal appeal. Dantzler said about 1,500 applicants appeal their denial of in-state eligibility every year, and about half win.

"We just don't have that much time and effort to put into that," Hakopian said.

 OK, I stopped right there.  You don't have time for a routine appeal but you have time to whore it up to the media?


Yep, that's where I slammed on the mental brakes as well - outrage fled (well more like mild concern but never miss a chance for hyperbole) and I stopped caring.  There's an appeal process and you have about a 50% blind chance of winning even before the appeals board find out your mother was murdered.  And as sad as that sounds there's probably scholarships she qualifies for BECAUSE her mother was killed.
 
2013-03-02 08:54:00 AM
because two other non-Virginia schools have ruled Molly an "independent student" for purposes of financial aid,

Well that's fng bullshiat. She's not over 24, she's not a veteran, she's not an orphan or ward of the court, she's doesn't have a dependent, and she's not married.

There is no way the financial aid team made her federally independent- the Department of Ed is pretty clear on how to do a dependency override.

*Note- they could have made her independent for institutional funding. I'm ok with that.
 
2013-03-02 08:55:19 AM

weave: Mason officials declined to discuss the specifics of Molly's case, citing privacy laws, but they urged the family to consider an internal appeal. Dantzler said about 1,500 applicants appeal their denial of in-state eligibility every year, and about half win.

"We just don't have that much time and effort to put into that," Hakopian said.

 OK, I stopped right there.  You don't have time for a routine appeal but you have time to whore it up to the media?


oh but it gets better! Grandparents come in to VA as legal guardians but Dad doesn't bother with the court work to make it official!

And the girl sounds like she's 18.
 
2013-03-02 08:56:42 AM
So I guess I meant guardians, but not legal ones.  Whatever, there are no winners here, only losers.

/and she qualifies for in state tuition in MD
 
2013-03-02 08:57:29 AM
That's when little miss sunshine should go get a fricken job so she can be considered financially independent. If single mothers can do it, then this little tart can get some responsibility too.
 
2013-03-02 08:59:54 AM

Fizpez: weave: Mason officials declined to discuss the specifics of Molly's case, citing privacy laws, but they urged the family to consider an internal appeal. Dantzler said about 1,500 applicants appeal their denial of in-state eligibility every year, and about half win.

"We just don't have that much time and effort to put into that," Hakopian said.

 OK, I stopped right there.  You don't have time for a routine appeal but you have time to whore it up to the media?

Yep, that's where I slammed on the mental brakes as well - outrage fled (well more like mild concern but never miss a chance for hyperbole) and I stopped caring.  There's an appeal process and you have about a 50% blind chance of winning even before the appeals board find out your mother was murdered.  And as sad as that sounds there's probably scholarships she qualifies for BECAUSE her mother was killed.


Honestly, if this was my case- and I've never worked at a school with in and out of state tuition so grain of salt- as soon as I found out the particulars I'd argue for an in state rate. Anyone would. But EVERY SCHOOL would require the appeal first.

But now that's she's gone crying to the media about how mean the school is for not automatically knowing her situation, I'd be less inclined to help/
 
2013-03-02 09:05:47 AM

cman: Lurk sober post drunk: they urged the family to consider an internal appeal

[somebodysparents.com image 548x308]

/oops

Wow...just wow. Did you put any thought into how that post would be received?


What? Racist? I didn't see it that way -- and LOL'd.

Oh, maybe you're unaware of the meme. (Which is a quote.)

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-02 09:11:49 AM

cman: Lurk sober post drunk: they urged the family to consider an internal appeal

[somebodysparents.com image 548x308]

/oops

Wow...just wow. Did you put any thought into how that post would be received?


Um what? Either you live under a rock, or YOU took it a different way than everyone else, and assumed others would do the same. But I'd love to know what the fark you're talking about.
 
2013-03-02 09:13:28 AM

earthworm2.0: That's when little miss sunshine should go get a fricken job so she can be considered financially independent. If single mothers can do it, then this little tart can get some responsibility too.


Having a job is not legally sufficient for financial independence with regards to the university system.
 
2013-03-02 09:15:09 AM
Mason officials declined to discuss the specifics of Molly's case, citing privacy laws, but they urged the family to consider an internal appeal. Dantzler said about 1,500 applicants appeal their denial of in-state eligibility every year, and about half win.

"We just don't have that much time and effort to put into that," Hakopian said.


Came to post this before reading the comments about being a media whore. Is it scary that so many other Farkers agree with me?
 
2013-03-02 09:19:24 AM

subsetzero: Maybe she should claim to be an illegal alien


Does NoVa let illegals have instate tuition like Cali and some others?
 
2013-03-02 09:21:34 AM
Mere presence?  No.  Having a drivers license, Yes.

Greek: Having a job is not legally sufficient for financial independence with regards to the university system.


This.  Made it a bit tricky for me to pay for college by myself, since my parents had plenty of money but told me to pound sand when I asked for help.
 
2013-03-02 09:23:03 AM

cman: Red tape is part of living.

Its good that this kid is learning this lesson now rather when he is older and more settled in life.

spawn73: LOL, it costs money to recieve an education in USA.

Enjoy your lack of social mobility and remember to keep voting for those politicians!

I see we have a Dane in here. Just wanted to start with that I really love northern Germanic culture.

As for your comment, political will to raise taxes is still pretty damn hard. With the exception of the Bush tax cuts expiring, no tax increases have made it to Obama's desk. When you have limited resources you need to pool them where you need them. This is America we are talking about here, not Denmark, and American culture is rather different on what our priorities should be.


Damn straight. Bombs and drones cost money, you know.
 
2013-03-02 09:41:12 AM
Story in the Washington Post so the first thing I checked was the state she lived in.  As expected, it's Virginia.  So the story totally makes sense.  Maybe if she agrees to a vaginal ultrasound test they will cut her a break.
 
2013-03-02 09:47:12 AM

liam76: Mere presence?  No.  Having a drivers license, Yes.

Greek: Having a job is not legally sufficient for financial independence with regards to the university system.

This.  Made it a bit tricky for me to pay for college by myself, since my parents had plenty of money but told me to pound sand when I asked for help.


I got a free ride tuition-wise to college, but my folks helped me out financially to cover the living expenses that my series of crappy minimum-wage jobs couldn't quite provide for.  When I decided to go back to school to get an advanced degree, my folks told me I was on my own financially - hey, no problem, I genuinely didn't want or expect money from them, and hadn't even thought of asking.  But I'll admit I completely LOST MY shiat when I took out my first student loan - I'd never been in debt before and didn't handle it spectacularly well.  I was talking to my dad about a week after the loan went through, and told him I couldn't stop freaking out about how much money I now owed the bank.

"Well," he replied, "If it gets really bad, we could maybe let you dip into your wedding fund."

. . . I had no idea I had a wedding fund.  They apparently started it right about when I was born.  Hey, it's their money, they can do what they like with it.  But . . . man, if they think a big, lavish wedding is in my near future, I'm not sure what daughter they think they have, because it doesn't appear to be me.
 
2013-03-02 09:49:04 AM

squibbits: Sarajane Hakopian was found slain on Jan. 30, 2012, allegedly by an ex-boyfriend who was caught driving her van in Florida


If you look up her name you find a few unhinged, racist rants from both sides about reparations and how she should have known not to date a black guy. (Her bf/killer was black)
 
2013-03-02 09:53:02 AM

ElFugawz: squibbits: Sarajane Hakopian was found slain on Jan. 30, 2012, allegedly by an ex-boyfriend who was caught driving her van in Florida

If you look up her name you find a few unhinged, racist rants from both sides about reparations and how she should have known not to date a black guy. (Her bf/killer was black)


wow.  there are some crazy people out there.
 
2013-03-02 09:54:06 AM
And?  Sorry it no longer works in your favour due to changes in your life.

/I'd be trying to find a way to keep it going under the circumstances as well
 
2013-03-02 09:55:52 AM
Note to all: You no longer need a university education. There is this "Internet" thing where you can learn anything you put your mind to.

Source: I have two degrees from MIT (4.8/5.0) and they don't really matter; just be good at what you do.
 
2013-03-02 10:02:26 AM

bmihura: Note to all: You no longer need a university education. There is this "Internet" thing where you can learn anything you put your mind to.

Source: I have two degrees from MIT (4.8/5.0) and they don't really matter; just be good at what you do.


Some of us aspire to more then mastering the fry cooker.  More seriously though:  Good for you but under many many many many circumstances a job seeker won't even get an opportunity to show off their incredible self-education without having a line on their resume that involves the name of a post secondary educational facility.  Its just the way it works most of the time.
 
2013-03-02 10:05:08 AM
So journalists have apparently just given up trying to write properly? Fark it, I'll just get drank an right some crap than. Nobody, will notice, that, I has not great english skills got. Yay. Me is news media people now have words will travel LOL, awesome.
 
2013-03-02 10:08:37 AM

earthworm2.0: That's when little miss sunshine should go get a fricken frickin' job so she can be considered financially independent. If single mothers can do it, then this little tart can get some responsibility too.


/peeve
 
2013-03-02 10:19:39 AM

Descartes: "If I am not a resident of Virginia," she said in an e-mail, "then what state do I 'reside' in? My philosophy class would have a field day with that one. :-)"

Please don't confuse the liberal arts majors...  the world needs more fry captains.


Pay closer attention otherwise people might mistake you for a fry cook. Taking a philosophy class doesn't mean you're a philosophy major with a minor in food preparation.

/undergrad major: physics
//undergrad minor: philosophy
 
2013-03-02 10:19:57 AM

BumpInTheNight: bmihura: Note to all: You no longer need a university education. There is this "Internet" thing where you can learn anything you put your mind to.

Source: I have two degrees from MIT (4.8/5.0) and they don't really matter; just be good at what you do.

Some of us aspire to more then mastering the fry cooker.  More seriously though:  Good for you but under many many many many circumstances a job seeker won't even get an opportunity to show off their incredible self-education without having a line on their resume that involves the name of a post secondary educational facility.  Its just the way it works most of the time.


Your point is valid.
 
2013-03-02 10:24:27 AM

Fizpez: weave: Mason officials declined to discuss the specifics of Molly's case, citing privacy laws, but they urged the family to consider an internal appeal. Dantzler said about 1,500 applicants appeal their denial of in-state eligibility every year, and about half win.

"We just don't have that much time and effort to put into that," Hakopian said.

 OK, I stopped right there.  You don't have time for a routine appeal but you have time to whore it up to the media?

Yep, that's where I slammed on the mental brakes as well - outrage fled (well more like mild concern but never miss a chance for hyperbole) and I stopped caring.  There's an appeal process and you have about a 50% blind chance of winning even before the appeals board find out your mother was murdered.  And as sad as that sounds there's probably scholarships she qualifies for BECAUSE her mother was killed.


Part of the problem is that the appeals process could extend beyond deadlines for other schools.
 
2013-03-02 10:26:31 AM

mekkab: So I guess I meant guardians, but not legal ones.  Whatever, there are no winners here, only losers.

/and she qualifies for in state tuition in MD


Actually she doesn't.  Maryland law, like many other states, requires the student actually live in the state for 12 months prior to applying to the school for a purpose other than attending the school and to abandon your previous home state.   Additionally, if the positions were switched, and she lived in Maryland and her father was in Virginia, she wouldn't qualify (by default) in MD because she's finanicially dependent on a person who is not a resident of Maryland.

http://www.testudo.umd.edu/rco/policy.html

Even if they had completed the legal guardianship papers for her grandparents to take over as guardians, it seems like the father still would have been the primary financial support, which is what seems to screw stuff up.  Makes me wonder if any university has tried screwing any child of divorced parents yet, due to the amount of support an out-of-state parent pays.
 
2013-03-02 10:31:55 AM
Shame you're not in this country illegally

Then you could get a house, a car, in-state tuition, maybe even a Get Out Of Jail Free Card, courtesy of that other illegal alien, Barry Soetoro

www.hoax-slayer.com
 
2013-03-02 10:36:06 AM
Hooray for states doing everything possible to help their people.
 
2013-03-02 10:39:29 AM
I never understood the logic behind in-state vs out-of-state tuition. It seems to be supported for two reasons:

1) State taxes help fund schools so students (or parents if under the age of 24) who have been paying should get a break. Except most of the time you can get around this by living in the state for a year prior. So if you're over 24 a years worth of taxes is considered enough for you to get the break but if you are under 24 screw you your money isn't good enough and your parents are either rich or you have some sweet scholarships so pay up. It also ignores internships creating a bigger selection pool for local companies.

2)  It encourages students to stay in their home location, under the guise of "well the state paid for you for the last 18 years of your life to get educated, so stay here and pay back into the system" yet it discourages students from outside the state whose primary education was not paid by the state to come in and pay into the system. Unless your college is shiat and couldn't attract students worth a damn, this sounds counterproductive.
 
2013-03-02 10:51:29 AM

filter: I hate that crap. My parents never paid a cent for my education, yet their income determined my financial aid?!?


That'll teach, ya.  Divorce your parents during your last year of HS, so there will be that legal separation of funds.  My older sister did that, but for other reasons though.

liam76: Mere presence?  No.  Having a drivers license, Yes.


Having a VA license is the same as mere presence, you don't have to be a resident very long to get a license in a state.  Just have a residence established during the summer and you'll be a VA resident by school start.  I had my first place two months when I switched my license to MI and I took my time because I thought there would be a test.  There are reasons why some rules can't be that simple.
 
2013-03-02 10:55:26 AM

liam76: Mere presence?  No.  Having a drivers license, Yes.

Greek: Having a job is not legally sufficient for financial independence with regards to the university system.

This.  Made it a bit tricky for me to pay for college by myself, since my parents had plenty of money but told me to pound sand when I asked for help.


Same here. I had to put off going to college despite being accepted until years later when I finally qualified under independent status.

Today I'm pretty sure kids could take their parents to court to get financial support for college and win.
 
2013-03-02 11:08:34 AM

Saners: I never understood the logic behind in-state vs out-of-state tuition.


The people that live in a state elect the politicians that make the laws about tuition. The people that live out of state don't.

It's the exact same logic used for hotel taxes.
 
2013-03-02 11:11:27 AM

liam76: Mere presence?  No.  Having a drivers license, Yes.

Greek: Having a job is not legally sufficient for financial independence with regards to the university system.

This.  Made it a bit tricky for me to pay for college by myself, since my parents had plenty of money but told me to pound sand when I asked for help.


These rules exist for a reason- there's plenty of examples where people who really don't have any kind of excuse try to get tuition reduced/ get need- based grants and scholarships/ all kinds of favorable financial aid- but the lawmakers spent so much time trying to make sure there were no loopholes that they didn't make any consideration for exceptions. There are some "parents" out there who honestly believe that once their kids hit age 18, that they should no longer provide for them or help them in any way whatsoever. You know, just because the law absolves responsibility at that age for many things, doesn't mean you're morally absolved of responsibility. What magical thing happens on ones 18th birthday that changes them overnight from a helpless infant to a fully- prepared, fully independent adult? Everyone's circumstances are different, and the transition to "responsible adult" is a gradual one that starts BEFORE age 18, and often takes a few years AFTER to be complete. Hell, I'm a married man in my 30s. My mother has passed away. I'm totally independent of my dad now, and, in fact, I help take care of things that he can't deal with, like his English isn't that great- never has been- and now that mom's gone, I help him navigate official paperwork and such. I also help him maintain his house as he gets too old to physically do things. But I also know that if my whole world suddenly came crashing down, I could move back home if I had to to get back on my feet. And that's the way things should be. But back to my original point- things AREN'T always that way, but the laws regarding financial aid and such assume they are, and don't make exceptions for when they aren't.
 
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