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(SeattlePI)   Ban on plastic bags in Seattle causes less environmental pollution, more shoplifting   (seattlepi.com) divider line 20
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2013-03-02 09:55:47 PM  
2 votes:

my lip balm addiction: Jeezus dude. I had you farkied as a favorite, but I can see that you are just a lazy, whiny, asshole. fark you man. No more favorite are you.


The whole plastic bag ban, for someone who doesn't make a lot of money and doesn't have a car, has a lot of costs.  I can't buy as much at the store in a single trip, so I have to spend more time going to the store more often or shop at more expensive places closer to home to get everything I could previously buy in a single walk to the store.  I also end up using the same number of bags I did before the ban, but now I have the extra expense of buying them as opposed to getting them as part of my purchase, and I still go through a lot of bags (made from paper instead) that now just get recycled as soon as I get home.  Unless they get too wet, in which case they won't take them for recycling and they just end up in the trash instead.  Unlike plastic which can still be recycled if it's wet.

Beyond the can thing, the bag ban has done nothing except waste my time and cost me more a bit of extra money.  It doesn't save the environment from anything either, since I'm still using just as many plastic bags, but now they're thicker and have more packaging.

It's a stupid feel good knee jerk reaction made by a crappy mayor (in Portland's case) that punishes people who have the least environmental impact the most.  I don't see why that's a good thing, but I also don't really give a crap if I'm on favorite lists.  I'm just being pointing out that there are a lot of unintended consequences of a ban like this and almost all of them are more negative than just letting people use plastic bags.

But hey, if you feel better about screwing people over while doing little to nothing about the environment because people can't have plastic bags more power to you.
2013-03-03 04:02:54 AM  
1 votes:

Happy Hours: Okay. I suppose it depends on the quality of the bag. Target bags would work for that, but I usually grocery shop where it seems 90% of the bags have small holes in the bottom so that would be a disaster to use those in that way.


Use two, one inside the other.  The holes are rarely in the same spot on both.
2013-03-02 10:20:29 PM  
1 votes:
If you really want bags, buy a case on ebay (or even cheaper at Costco...if they still sell them at stores in 'banned' areas.

And bags sold for garbage aren't really that expensive if you buy the cheapest, biggest box you can find. I have never noticed a difference between the no-name brand and "Hefty" bags. A box of 60 kitchen bags lasts quite a while unless you take your trash out every day for some reason...and not really breaking the bank @ $3 a box when they're on sale.

More stores should be providing used boxes to take stuff home (instead of throwing them all in the baler trying to make a few extra bucks), like they do at Aldi and the club stores. I find it much better...load up a banana box with all my groceries instead of balancing '10' overflowing, ripping, spilling plastic bags all over my trunk.
2013-03-02 04:31:43 PM  
1 votes:
Why not just recycle the plastic bags after use? Most of the places around me have large collection bins specifically for that purpose. It makes more sense that an outright ban... doesn't it?
2013-03-02 12:38:21 PM  
1 votes:

Happy Hours: WorldCitizen: Plastic bags make great cat litter bags. I'm not sure what I would use to replace them. Buying thicker, bathroom sized trash bags?

How?

do you have a very small litter box?

The grocery-sized shopping backs wouldn't even come close to fitting my cat's litter box.


You scoop the poop into a plastic bag than throw it away. You don't use them to line the cat box. At least in my experience.
2013-03-02 08:21:08 AM  
1 votes:

davidphogan: Krieghund: davidphogan: Portland has a bag ban that has directly led to me throwing out cans. It's not worth the hassle to buy bags that I can take recyclables back in, so I now just throw them out.

Good work in the name of the environment.

Good news! You can put them in your curbside recycling can!

Then I have to deal with the bums dumping that shiat all over.  No thanks.


Wow, what a lazy fark that can't be bothered to go two steps out of his way to recycle aluminum, probably the material that most benefits the environment when it is recycled and not manufactured from raw materials (which takes a shiatton of electricity).

Fines are for people like you.
2013-03-02 08:09:45 AM  
1 votes:

davidphogan: Bathia_Mapes: davidphogan: Bathia_Mapes: Actually, that won't be necessary. I've got at least 6 canvas shopping bags, one of them big enough to hold a 24-pack of tp. On top of that I've got at least a dozen shopping bags made from recycled soft drink bottles, plus two granny carts.

So for trash you're just going to line your garbage cans with those and throw them out?

No, we'll continue to buy garbage bags for the kitchen garbage can, but the only trash that goes in there is stuff that can't be put down the garbage disposal. The waste baskets in our bedrooms, bathroom, living room & the one next to the computer desk will just be dumped into one of the dumpsters at the apartment complex where we live.

Well, I didn't have to buy any garbage bags.  I went with the "reduce, reuse, recycle" idea.  They made that a complete and total pain in the ass.  I can't reuse and I can't recycle, and they forced me into reduce.  So now I'm buying garbage bags I never needed, and I can't reuse the shiatty paper bags I get from Safeway/Fred Meyer now since they're usually torn up by the time I get home from the store, I've just gone with farkit.

I used to bother taking cans/bottles back for the measly $.05/can, but now it's just a pain in the ass.  Rather than deal with the mess made by bums who find a single can in my recycling bin then dump everything else on the sidewalk (which leads to getting a fine for not cleaning it up in time) I've found it's just easier to destroy the bar code and throw them in the trash.

Portland had a pretty good deal going when it was easy to return them, then recycle the plastic bags that I had returned them in.  Yeah, it was a pain in the ass that that Safeway machines wouldn't take back half the cans I tried bringing back, but for a few bucks it wasn't that big a deal to leave some on the floor so some bum could take the rest back to Walgreens or whatever, but they've added too many obstacles to actually caring anymore.  Maybe the deposit should h ...


Jeezus dude. I had you farkied as a favorite, but I can see that you are just a lazy, whiny, asshole. fark you man. No more favorite are you.
2013-03-02 07:33:12 AM  
1 votes:

JMacPA: Lsherm: Krieghund: [imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]

From TFA: Asking customers to check reusable bags at the counter would be burdensome to customers and staff, and prohibiting reusable bags and backpacks likely wouldn't work well in Seattle,
[...]

The ban on plastic bags means reusable bags go up in use, which means it's easier to steal.  You obviously haven't shoplifted.  If you're bringing in your own bag, it's easier to keep shiat in it that you don't pay for.

Right, but there was nothing stoping people from bringing reusable bags BEFORE the ban. So why weren't they on to your genius scam already?


When only a subset of your customers were carrying their own bags it was easier to pick out the ones that might be trying to hide things in it?
2013-03-02 07:24:37 AM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: Krieghund: [imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]

From TFA: Asking customers to check reusable bags at the counter would be burdensome to customers and staff, and prohibiting reusable bags and backpacks likely wouldn't work well in Seattle,

[...]

The ban on plastic bags means reusable bags go up in use, which means it's easier to steal.  You obviously haven't shoplifted.  If you're bringing in your own bag, it's easier to keep shiat in it that you don't pay for.

Right, but there was nothing stoping people from bringing reusable bags BEFORE the ban. So why weren't they on to your genius scam already?
2013-03-02 07:14:26 AM  
1 votes:
At a nickel a bag they're still cheaper then buying official garbage bags and bonus they double-duty as the transport of new goods before aiding in the containment of the used ones.  Come on environmentalists, we know you mean well but go pick on something more wasteful like disposable diapers.
2013-03-02 06:31:35 AM  
1 votes:
last week people were pissed off because teh mayor in NYC wanted to ban styrofoam cups. this is supposed to be a positive step for the environment. today, people are pissed about banning plastic bags. sooner or later folks may have to realize there is many things we're destroying the world with and changing our ways may not be a terrible thing. i don't get it. i'm not a tree hugging hippie naturalist activist type, i'm a moran but even i can see the wisdom in eliminating wasteful items.
2013-03-02 04:47:36 AM  
1 votes:
I live in North Seattle, and it's just easier to grocery shop in Shoreline, where they don't have any silly bag bans. Yet.
2013-03-02 03:33:41 AM  
1 votes:

Krieghund: davidphogan: Portland has a bag ban that has directly led to me throwing out cans. It's not worth the hassle to buy bags that I can take recyclables back in, so I now just throw them out.

Good work in the name of the environment.

Good news! You can put them in your curbside recycling can!


Then I have to deal with the bums dumping that shiat all over.  No thanks.
2013-03-02 03:21:24 AM  
1 votes:

davidphogan: Portland has a bag ban that has directly led to me throwing out cans. It's not worth the hassle to buy bags that I can take recyclables back in, so I now just throw them out.

Good work in the name of the environment.


Good news! You can put them in your curbside recycling can!
2013-03-02 03:17:58 AM  
1 votes:

davidphogan: Bathia_Mapes: Actually, that won't be necessary. I've got at least 6 canvas shopping bags, one of them big enough to hold a 24-pack of tp. On top of that I've got at least a dozen shopping bags made from recycled soft drink bottles, plus two granny carts.

So for trash you're just going to line your garbage cans with those and throw them out?


No, we'll continue to buy garbage bags for the kitchen garbage can, but the only trash that goes in there is stuff that can't be put down the garbage disposal. The waste baskets in our bedrooms, bathroom, living room & the one next to the computer desk will just be dumped into one of the dumpsters at the apartment complex where we live.
2013-03-02 03:15:53 AM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: The ban on plastic bags means reusable bags go up in use, which means it's easier to steal. You obviously haven't shoplifted. If you're bringing in your own bag, it's easier to keep shiat in it that you don't pay for.


People who want to steal using reusable bags don't need a bag ban to do so.

You obviously haven't shoplifted

Not in years. Of course, we didn't have reusable bags back in my day. We dressed up in drag and used prosthetic bellies.

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2013-03-02 03:05:06 AM  
1 votes:

m3000: So the bag ban made you lazy? Damn, what a powerful piece of legislation!


No, it made it not worth buying bags just to return cans.
2013-03-02 03:03:26 AM  
1 votes:

davidphogan: Bathia_Mapes: davidphogan: Portland has a bag ban that has directly led to me throwing out cans. It's not worth the hassle to buy bags that I can take recyclables back in, so I now just throw them out.

Good work in the name of the environment.

Eugene's bag ban goes into effect this May.

Enjoy buying more plastic garbage bags. It's yet another reason that the best thing Sam Adams did was guest starring on Portlandia and nothing legislative.


Actually, that won't be necessary. I've got at least 6 canvas shopping bags, one of them big enough to hold a 24-pack of tp. On top of that I've got at least a dozen shopping bags made from recycled soft drink bottles, plus two granny carts.
2013-03-02 03:02:00 AM  
1 votes:

davidphogan: Portland has a bag ban that has directly led to me throwing out cans. It's not worth the hassle to buy bags that I can take recyclables back in, so I now just throw them out.

Good work in the name of the environment.


So the bag ban made you lazy? Damn, what a powerful piece of legislation!
2013-03-02 02:42:00 AM  
1 votes:

Krieghund: [imgs.xkcd.com image 459x185]

From TFA: Asking customers to check reusable bags at the counter would be burdensome to customers and staff, and prohibiting reusable bags and backpacks likely wouldn't work well in Seattle,

Those things would be true whether or not there was a bag ban in place. Shoplifters would still be coming in with reusable bags and stealing. It isn't like someone goes to the store with the intention of paying, but gets to the counter and realizes that there aren't any plastic bags so they might as well just leave with the food.

The handbasket thing, on the other hand, is a legitimate complaint.


The ban on plastic bags means reusable bags go up in use, which means it's easier to steal.  You obviously haven't shoplifted.  If you're bringing in your own bag, it's easier to keep shiat in it that you don't pay for.
 
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