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(Salt Lake Tribune)   A 17-year old boy has his life "completely turned around" after having crazy drunken bathroom floor sex with his smoking wet swim coach   (sltrib.com) divider line 27
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2013-03-02 06:46:21 AM  
8 votes:
17 years old with a woman in her 30's?  And this is a crime that totally destroys this woman's life?  Like to the degree of 9/11 building destruction?

Things have got to change in this country.

I'm serious about this.  It seems that this dude had the forethought - he KNEW what he was doing.  20 farking times!  You can't call rape or endangerment when it occurs that often.  His MOTHER was the one who had a problem with it.  She was the one who noticed that he was now drinking and no longer a virgin.  And she totally blamed someone else for her son's behavior.
And a jury of "peers" is going to now send this woman to prison for 60 years.

Did I mention that things have to change?  Because this is so wrong.
2013-03-02 07:42:35 AM  
4 votes:
Nobody should have their life ruined for consensual sex.
2013-03-02 08:00:12 AM  
3 votes:
If anything, on at least that FIRST occasion, he raped her. She was drunk off her ass and he was stone cold sober, but because she's a teacher, she's getting charged? It's BS is what it is.

/would say the same if a girl drugged and raped her male teacher
2013-03-02 07:52:48 AM  
3 votes:
Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute, I won't cuss
I'll tell you how I got some swim coach puss.

I somehow doubt he was damaged by getting laid at 17. I wish I got some at that age.
Even if it was a male coach, and a 17 year old student who willingly had sex 20 times, I wouldn't have a problem with that.
Well aside from teachers shouldn't be banging their students any more than a boss should be banging her minions.
2013-03-02 07:48:19 AM  
2 votes:
I was really, REALLY hoping that the 'turned his life around' was going to be a positive thing!! That would be an EXCELLENT precident!!

'I was a teenage loser... a nobody. Crap grades, no friends.. now that I'm boning my teacher, I study hard, I work hard, I have a scholarship to Yale, etc etc'
2013-03-02 06:49:29 AM  
2 votes:
But the woman had been drinking, that means she is incapable of consent and he should be charged with rape surely?

He was the one who went after her...

In the UK he is of legal age and HE would be charged with rape. In the US he isn`t and SHE is charged with rape.

There needs to be some sense put into the legislation. There have been cases in the UK where a 28 year old teacher was put on the sex offenders list for starting a long term relationship with her 35 year old adult student...

Utterly ridiculous.
2013-03-02 02:43:05 PM  
1 votes:

foxyshadis: Igor Jakovsky: On the Side:  forcible sexual abuse


This is prosecutorial discretion in action.  She got charged with the harshest offense the prosecutor could charge because she refused the plea bargain.  She got punished for exercising her right to trial.
2013-03-02 12:28:34 PM  
1 votes:
I would be a lot more righteously indignant at this woman if this complainant had gone to the cops after the *first* time she had gotten him drunk and screwed around with him.  However, seeing as how the complainant testified that he came back for it nineteen more times after the first episode, I can't help but suspect that there was an element of consent in the trysts, however invalid legally, on his part.
2013-03-02 12:13:14 PM  
1 votes:
After Waite had gone into her bathroom to take a shower, the victim testified that Gonzales dared him to go into the bathroom, so he did.


In June 2011, the teen sent a letter to Hadley saying he wanted Waite's prosecution dropped.



Yes, he was a victim. Such a victim that she still had power over him and forced him to try to get the charges dropped! This wasn't just sex, it was mind control!!!

Or maybe he wasn't really a victim at all. But no, we have to keep saying he was a victim because, otherwise the law will have to LEGALIZE ALL RAPE! So a victim he remains.

Fire the teacher, take away her teaching certificate, there, done. Prison? are you farking kidding me?
2013-03-02 11:59:09 AM  
1 votes:

italie: These kids need to learn about a keeping their big mouths shut. Older women at 17 was a beautiful thing, learn from it.


"In my youth, Father William, I swam to strengthen my frame."

Lewis Carroll aside, based on personal observation, 37 year old women swimmers have beautiful bodies. Far better than the average 17 year-old.
2013-03-02 09:56:34 AM  
1 votes:

Farkenhostile: Sounds like a cash grab, now that she's convicted what are the odds that the school district gets sued for millions now? What she did was wrong but he knew what he was doing and isn't innocent either.


1. Make sexy time x 20 with an teacher
2. Testify against her in court, ensuring that she'll spend a good chunk of her remaining years in jail
3. Profit

/would give this guy a daily kick in the balls if that were possible
2013-03-02 09:46:11 AM  
1 votes:

On the Side: Sounds like she should get fired, anything beyond that is just ridiculous.


If i read the article correctly, she was a volunteer. She probably wasnt even getting paid.

Also she was convicted of forcible sexual abuse. That dude went to the well at least 20 times. How the fark is that "forcible" ? I would have probably said guilty to a lesser charge but not for that one.
2013-03-02 09:42:03 AM  
1 votes:

Cortez the Killer: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Nobody should have their life ruined for consensual sex.

If anything, it should be the boy's life getting the beating. From all appearances, the boy was the one that had the sexy time without the teacher's consent. How many people have been convicted of date rape or whatnot because the girl was too drunk to consent? How could it not be a proper defense?


In Utah, a virtuous woman must resist rape to the point of death. She did not. The teacher may have felt total remorse and completely responsible for provoking him. After all, she got drunk and did not lock her bathroom door. It's weird but studies show a rather large number of conservative people say such a rape victim "was asking for it."

The guy may have pressed his advantage repeatedly until he got tired of her, or felt shame for not being chaste anymore.
2013-03-02 08:50:01 AM  
1 votes:
Ilmarinen
And people wonder why so many Americans are in jail.


Come on, America is 'tough on crime'.

Now just ignore that America's has more prisoners per 100,000 then any other country in the word.

Does this mean that in real implementation, ignoring freedom of speech, China is more truly free then the United States?

Link
The United States has the highest prison population
rate in the world, 743 per 100,000 of the national
population, followed by Rwanda (c. 595), Russia
(568), Georgia (547), U.S. Virgin Is. (539), Seychelles
(507), St Kitts & Nevis (495), British Virgin Is. (468),
Belize (439), Dominica (431), Bermuda (428), Grenada
(423) and Curacao (422).
2013-03-02 08:46:14 AM  
1 votes:

dopekitty74: If anything, on at least that FIRST occasion, he raped her. She was drunk off her ass and he was stone cold sober, but because she's a teacher, she's getting charged? It's BS is what it is.

/would say the same if a girl drugged and raped her male teacher


It's Utah. People are kind of strange there.


Suppose a woman in Provo Utah was brutally raped and beaten with a rock until nearly dead. She sues. Judge says, No harm, no foul. Case dismissed.

Link
2013-03-02 08:15:49 AM  
1 votes:
I think this whole thing is a mess.  All were so drunk, nobody could give consent,  Given the age factor, he was close to being legal and no mention was made if he presented as an adult or minor meaning was he 6'1'' or 5'.  She was so out of it, she could have imagined anyone on her whether it was a sasquatch or a gremlin.

While in the care and control of any minor, she was to be just that (whether or not she had the party, she was an adult); fail.  Going to an event with minors and getting stinking drunk; fail.  Getting so drunk, that anyone can get on top of you; total fail.  Position of trust and authority?  Strike.

I don't know all the facts but I think if she was passed out cold and getting owned by some teenager and waking up with foggy memories and some biatch saying you ruined his life and your career, isn't that punishment enough?

Given the physical necessitates of how sex works, unless she was actively receiving or on top, no brainer.  If she was lying there half dead while getting raped, charge him with rape.  If it were a man getting the action, send him to jail as you have to be aware enough to make the equipment work, I would think.

Very poor judgement on her part, just getting drunk.  Should she go to jail?  No.  She's already lost all shame and will be working at McDonald's the rest of her life.
2013-03-02 08:03:50 AM  
1 votes:
Sounds like she should get fired, anything beyond that is just ridiculous.
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-02 07:50:19 AM  
1 votes:
"In the news today, drinking too much leads to drunken stupidity. film at 11"
2013-03-02 07:41:47 AM  
1 votes:
Sounds like a cash grab, now that she's convicted what are the odds that the school district gets sued for millions now? What she did was wrong but he knew what he was doing and isn't innocent either.
2013-03-02 07:38:03 AM  
1 votes:
I'm wondering if the teacher made the mistake of being "not Mormon while in Utah"?  Because it certainly seems like the alcohol card is in play as much as the underage sex card.
2013-03-02 07:14:16 AM  
1 votes:
wait i thought the boy would be guilty of rape for having sex with an intoxicated woman after entering her bathroom uninvited?   this whole story is stupid, and 15 years in prison is waaaaaaaay too much for whatever happened.  all that said, she's a dumbass.  everyone knows the law, it's stupid to break it.

/also is the friend just mad he didn't get any?
2013-03-02 07:08:33 AM  
1 votes:
like it or not, we don't get to pick and choose with the law. teachers, coaches, aides, school administration and everyone else who isn't an under 18 person = no sexing the students.

meanwhile horny suits in WashDC get away with preying on youthful aides, catholic priests go unpunished for molesting children, policemen have sex with underage prostitutes & members of wealthy powerful families pay scumbags to supply them with whatever sick and twisted freak show fetish it takes to make their jaded willies work.

this will not change until the wealthy powerful families that own the government and the many layers of paid armed goons they surround themselves with are dealt with properly.
2013-03-02 06:58:04 AM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: 17 years old with a woman in her 30's?  And this is a crime that totally destroys this woman's life?  Like to the degree of 9/11 building destruction?

Things have got to change in this country.

I'm serious about this.  It seems that this dude had the forethought - he KNEW what he was doing.  20 farking times!  You can't call rape or endangerment when it occurs that often.  His MOTHER was the one who had a problem with it.  She was the one who noticed that he was now drinking and no longer a virgin.  And she totally blamed someone else for her son's behavior.
And a jury of "peers" is going to now send this woman to prison for 60 years.

Did I mention that things have to change?  Because this is so wrong.


Some people would call you `pro-rape` in an attempt to make you shut up about your ridiculous `due process` and your not wanting a `cruel and unusual` punishment...
2013-03-02 06:55:52 AM  
1 votes:

Diagonal: So this woman gets convicted of a crime without any evidence being offered? Did I miss something?


It`s often the case with `crimes` like these. These IS no evidence except an accusation by someone.

"I saw Lizzy Proctor speaking with the devil!"
2013-03-02 06:51:31 AM  
1 votes:

MooseUpNorth: A GIS for 'smoking wet' should be done with due caution and only at great need. What has been seen can't be unseen. Hmm? Oh, no reason...


allamericanheadshots.com
What on earth did YOU find?
2013-03-02 06:45:27 AM  
1 votes:

Enemabag Jones: The victim's mother was also brought to tears by the verdicts. She said outside the courtroom that her son was an excellent student before Waite "completely turned his life around."

LOL


Yeah, he got lucky too much, too soon.
2013-03-02 01:13:40 AM  
1 votes:
She doesn't look that hot .. but hey, he tapped it "at least" 20 times, and she only got charged with 4.  How's that work?

*shrug* just charge her with providing liquor to a minor, and be done with it.
 
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