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(Salt Lake Tribune)   A 17-year old boy has his life "completely turned around" after having crazy drunken bathroom floor sex with his smoking wet swim coach   (sltrib.com) divider line 107
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2013-03-02 08:29:15 AM  

LL316: A Fark Handle: wait i thought the boy would be guilty of rape for having sex with an intoxicated woman after entering her bathroom uninvited?   this whole story is stupid, and 15 years in prison is waaaaaaaay too much for whatever happened.  all that said, she's a dumbass.  everyone knows the law, it's stupid to break it.

/also is the friend just mad he didn't get any?

15 per conviction.  Potentially a total of 60 years.


And people wonder why so many Americans are in jail.
 
2013-03-02 08:31:58 AM  
Look at what chlorine has done to this poor girl. Kinda looks like she has had a stroke. FLASH NEWS.....Swim teacher has stroke! FILM AT 11!!! But, a little girl bondo, some wet sanding a couple layers of base and a clear coat. Some herp medicine and a fabulous hair stylin' and she might smoke a little. No? OK I'll do it.
 
2013-03-02 08:46:14 AM  

dopekitty74: If anything, on at least that FIRST occasion, he raped her. She was drunk off her ass and he was stone cold sober, but because she's a teacher, she's getting charged? It's BS is what it is.

/would say the same if a girl drugged and raped her male teacher


It's Utah. People are kind of strange there.


Suppose a woman in Provo Utah was brutally raped and beaten with a rock until nearly dead. She sues. Judge says, No harm, no foul. Case dismissed.

Link
 
2013-03-02 08:47:17 AM  

Diagonal: So this woman gets convicted of a crime without any evidence being offered? Did I miss something?


What are you expecting?  HD movies from multiple angles of each occurence?

Testimony by "the victim" and another who saw the act is hardly no evidence.  The article doesn't go into what else was offered to prove the other counts, but it was probably the testimony of the boy.
The Defense was free to produce its own witnesses, including ones who could testify that she was not boning the boy on xyz date because the was busy / out of town / etc.
 
2013-03-02 08:50:01 AM  
Ilmarinen
And people wonder why so many Americans are in jail.


Come on, America is 'tough on crime'.

Now just ignore that America's has more prisoners per 100,000 then any other country in the word.

Does this mean that in real implementation, ignoring freedom of speech, China is more truly free then the United States?

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The United States has the highest prison population
rate in the world, 743 per 100,000 of the national
population, followed by Rwanda (c. 595), Russia
(568), Georgia (547), U.S. Virgin Is. (539), Seychelles
(507), St Kitts & Nevis (495), British Virgin Is. (468),
Belize (439), Dominica (431), Bermuda (428), Grenada
(423) and Curacao (422).
 
2013-03-02 08:53:06 AM  

dready zim: MooseUpNorth: A GIS for 'smoking wet' should be done with due caution and only at great need. What has been seen can't be unseen. Hmm? Oh, no reason...

[allamericanheadshots.com image 640x480]
What on earth did YOU find?


   Thats a first....Man hand.
 
2013-03-02 08:54:02 AM  
These kids need to learn about a keeping their big mouths shut. Older women at 17 was a beautiful thing, learn from it.
 
2013-03-02 08:54:46 AM  

Enemabag Jones: The victim's mother was also brought to tears by the verdicts. She said outside the courtroom that her son was an excellent student before Waite "completely turned his life around."

LOL

Understands....
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-03-02 09:11:53 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Nobody should have their life ruined for consensual sex.


If anything, it should be the boy's life getting the beating. From all appearances, the boy was the one that had the sexy time without the teacher's consent. How many people have been convicted of date rape or whatnot because the girl was too drunk to consent? How could it not be a proper defense?
 
2013-03-02 09:20:18 AM  
I hope he got anal so he didn't have to look at her face.
 
2013-03-02 09:21:07 AM  

durbnpoisn: 17 years old with a woman in her 30's?  And this is a crime that totally destroys this woman's life?  Like to the degree of 9/11 building destruction?

Things have got to change in this country.

I'm serious about this.  It seems that this dude had the forethought - he KNEW what he was doing.  20 farking times!  You can't call rape or endangerment when it occurs that often.  His MOTHER was the one who had a problem with it.  She was the one who noticed that he was now drinking and no longer a virgin.  And she totally blamed someone else for her son's behavior.
And a jury of "peers" is going to now send this woman to prison for 60 years.

Did I mention that things have to change?  Because this is so wrong.


UMM, no. She's in a position of power over him, plus she's a Farking teacher who supplied liquor to one of her students. This would just like saying that it's OK for prison guards to have sex with inmates, since they're both of age.

/Wife is a teacher - and yes, being a teacher is about the same as being a prison guard.
 
2013-03-02 09:31:33 AM  

Oh_Enough_Already: [cdn3.standard.net image 240x384]

The coach in question.


She looks like she's melting.
 
2013-03-02 09:37:17 AM  
17 in Uath? Shouldn't he have at least two wives already?
 
2013-03-02 09:40:18 AM  
at LEAST i never got caught up with a teacher like that.
now i'm a virgin at 33
 
2013-03-02 09:41:39 AM  

theBigBigEye: dready zim: durbnpoisn: 17 years old with a woman in her 30's?  And this is a crime that totally destroys this woman's life?  Like to the degree of 9/11 building destruction?

Things have got to change in this country.

I'm serious about this.  It seems that this dude had the forethought - he KNEW what he was doing.  20 farking times!  You can't call rape or endangerment when it occurs that often.  His MOTHER was the one who had a problem with it.  She was the one who noticed that he was now drinking and no longer a virgin.  And she totally blamed someone else for her son's behavior.
And a jury of "peers" is going to now send this woman to prison for 60 years.

Did I mention that things have to change?  Because this is so wrong.

Some people would call you `pro-rape` in an attempt to make you shut up about your ridiculous `due process` and your not wanting a `cruel and unusual` punishment...

Generally, I'm more of a 'burn the farking Constitution, have the Marines rush their families out of their homes at night and execute them in front of their houses' kind of guy.


That works but I`m not sure it fits this particular criminal. i`d rather see it done to any world leader who starts a war. They say the cause is worth lives, lets start with theirs and see if it is still worth it...
 
2013-03-02 09:42:03 AM  

Cortez the Killer: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Nobody should have their life ruined for consensual sex.

If anything, it should be the boy's life getting the beating. From all appearances, the boy was the one that had the sexy time without the teacher's consent. How many people have been convicted of date rape or whatnot because the girl was too drunk to consent? How could it not be a proper defense?


In Utah, a virtuous woman must resist rape to the point of death. She did not. The teacher may have felt total remorse and completely responsible for provoking him. After all, she got drunk and did not lock her bathroom door. It's weird but studies show a rather large number of conservative people say such a rape victim "was asking for it."

The guy may have pressed his advantage repeatedly until he got tired of her, or felt shame for not being chaste anymore.
 
2013-03-02 09:46:11 AM  

On the Side: Sounds like she should get fired, anything beyond that is just ridiculous.


If i read the article correctly, she was a volunteer. She probably wasnt even getting paid.

Also she was convicted of forcible sexual abuse. That dude went to the well at least 20 times. How the fark is that "forcible" ? I would have probably said guilty to a lesser charge but not for that one.
 
2013-03-02 09:48:25 AM  

Delay: Cortez the Killer: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Nobody should have their life ruined for consensual sex.

If anything, it should be the boy's life getting the beating. From all appearances, the boy was the one that had the sexy time without the teacher's consent. How many people have been convicted of date rape or whatnot because the girl was too drunk to consent? How could it not be a proper defense?

In Utah, a virtuous woman must resist rape to the point of death. She did not. The teacher may have felt total remorse and completely responsible for provoking him. After all, she got drunk and did not lock her bathroom door. It's weird but studies show a rather large number of conservative people say such a rape victim "was asking for it."

The guy may have pressed his advantage repeatedly until he got tired of her, or felt shame for not being chaste anymore.


from a technical standpot, rape shouldn't even happen
 
2013-03-02 09:56:34 AM  

Farkenhostile: Sounds like a cash grab, now that she's convicted what are the odds that the school district gets sued for millions now? What she did was wrong but he knew what he was doing and isn't innocent either.


1. Make sexy time x 20 with an teacher
2. Testify against her in court, ensuring that she'll spend a good chunk of her remaining years in jail
3. Profit

/would give this guy a daily kick in the balls if that were possible
 
2013-03-02 09:57:40 AM  

Sgt Otter: Is that a lip ring of one hell of a herpes sore?


First thing I thought of was that she just came from a Spinal Tap concert.
 
2013-03-02 10:01:36 AM  
Teen in question.

m.comedycentral.com
 
2013-03-02 10:05:48 AM  
So they went in the shower and got their flip-flops on. How many tax dollars are you willing to spend to teach the lady a lesson? Figure about $50k/year.
 
2013-03-02 10:09:51 AM  
I'm not understanding the punishment. It does not fit the crime.
 
2013-03-02 10:13:41 AM  

ghare: I'm not understanding the punishment. It does not fit the crime.


Welcome to Utah.

/lives in Texas so really can't throw stones
 
2013-03-02 10:36:32 AM  

Diagonal: So this woman gets convicted of a crime without any evidence being offered? Did I miss something?


Here, here.
 
2013-03-02 10:37:07 AM  

dready zim: What on earth did YOU find?


Trust me, you _don't_ want to know. GIS apparently likes you a lot better than it likes me.
 
2013-03-02 10:43:59 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: Also she was convicted of forcible sexual abuse. That dude went to the well at least 20 times. How the fark is that "forcible" ? I would have probably said guilty to a lesser charge but not for that one.


You know, had she killed him, she'd be facing less time. This isn't justice.
 
2013-03-02 10:47:19 AM  
COMPLETELY TURNED AROUND?

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2013-03-02 10:47:55 AM  

Molavian: Oh_Enough_Already: [cdn3.standard.net image 240x384]

The coach in question.

She looks like she's melting.


she looks like her husband gave her a parting gift
 
2013-03-02 10:50:57 AM  

Catsaregreen: durbnpoisn: 17 years old with a woman in her 30's?  And this is a crime that totally destroys this woman's life?  Like to the degree of 9/11 building destruction?

Things have got to change in this country.

I'm serious about this.  It seems that this dude had the forethought - he KNEW what he was doing.  20 farking times!  You can't call rape or endangerment when it occurs that often.  His MOTHER was the one who had a problem with it.  She was the one who noticed that he was now drinking and no longer a virgin.  And she totally blamed someone else for her son's behavior.
And a jury of "peers" is going to now send this woman to prison for 60 years.

Did I mention that things have to change?  Because this is so wrong.

UMM, no. She's in a position of power over him, plus she's a Farking teacher who supplied liquor to one of her students. This would just like saying that it's OK for prison guards to have sex with inmates, since they're both of age.

/Wife is a teacher - and yes, being a teacher is about the same as being a prison guard.


Okay fine.  She was guilty of stupidity - I've already acknowledged that in this thread.  But what does the 17 year old boy get?  Nothing.  Evidently he is too young to make decisions for himself.  Therefore he is completely unaccountable.  //that's farking stupid.

Disagree as you will, but other than this woman being a teacher (and I'm not even sure if it was established that it was HIS teacher), nothing wrong happened here.  The 17 year old lived the dream.  He got drunk and banged a 30something, 20 times.  Clearly they were having a good time.  And clearly no one was abused, injured, or otherwise damaged.

His mother was the only one that had a problem with it.
 
2013-03-02 10:53:17 AM  

Oh_Enough_Already: [cdn3.standard.net image 240x384]

The coach in question.



ewwww...a woman without makeup.
 
2013-03-02 10:56:54 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Ilmarinen
And people wonder why so many Americans are in jail.

Come on, America is 'tough on crime'.

Now just ignore that America's has more prisoners per 100,000 then any other country in the word.

Does this mean that in real implementation, ignoring freedom of speech...


You'd have to ignore pretty much everything else too.   Besides, there's no long-term prisoners in China, BECAUSE THEY KILL THEM.
 
2013-03-02 11:01:57 AM  
img832.imageshack.us     Dirty sinners apostatize from The Church, have sex with teachers, dogs and cats living together.     435
 
2013-03-02 11:17:57 AM  

durbnpoisn: His mother was the only one that had a problem with it.


And this woman believes that true justice has been done now that woman has been sentenced to 60 years in jail because her precious little snowflake is no longer a virgin.

God damn coont!
 
2013-03-02 11:34:56 AM  
"She changed my boys life forever. He's not going to be the sweet gay kid I was raising."
 
2013-03-02 11:38:59 AM  
deadly zim

There needs to be some sense put into the legislation. There have been cases in the UK where a 28 year old teacher was put on the sex offenders list for starting a long term relationship with her 35 year old adult student...

Utterly ridiculous.


Don't look for common sense in sexual offender laws. They're usually cobbled together in haste by politicians looking for re-election and then never corrected.

Like the US 'Three Strikes Laws' -- which mainly increased the amount of killings during a crime to prevent being identified.

US sex offender laws have increased the chances of a child molester now killing his victim to keep from getting caught and going to hell jail or having to face conditions of living far worse than lepers used to. Previously, the victims had a good chance of surviving.
Common sense is missing from the legal system when it comes to sex offenders. Especially when a 6 year old boy can be expelled from school for kissing harmlessly a 6 year old girl on the cheek.
 
2013-03-02 11:51:18 AM  

utah dude: Dirty sinners apostatize from The Church, have sex with teachers, dogs and cats living together.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-02 11:51:18 AM  
Imagine if the sexes were reversed.

A 30 something man gives teenage girls alcohol and then showers drunk in the same apartment as them and has sex with one of them on the bathroom floor and another 19 times later with the first time being watched by the other girl. The mother of the girl who had sex with him condemns the man and says her daughter has had her life "completely turned around" and the man was convicted of four counts of forcible sexual abuse.

The mother was quoted as saying "I am very grateful that justice was served," she said outside of the courtroom. "My daughter's life was changed because of him. I'm thankful the jurors saw straight through him."

Notice the different feeling inside?

That`s the degree of your prejudice.
 
2013-03-02 11:59:09 AM  

italie: These kids need to learn about a keeping their big mouths shut. Older women at 17 was a beautiful thing, learn from it.


"In my youth, Father William, I swam to strengthen my frame."

Lewis Carroll aside, based on personal observation, 37 year old women swimmers have beautiful bodies. Far better than the average 17 year-old.
 
2013-03-02 12:06:21 PM  

italie: These kids need to learn about a keeping their big mouths shut. Older women at 17 was a beautiful thing, learn from it.


Dude, the kid couldn't have been kept more isolated from society had his mother kept him in a Bell jar. His lack of experience in social situations will probably remain with him for the rest of his life thanks to Mommie Dearest.
 
2013-03-02 12:13:14 PM  
After Waite had gone into her bathroom to take a shower, the victim testified that Gonzales dared him to go into the bathroom, so he did.


In June 2011, the teen sent a letter to Hadley saying he wanted Waite's prosecution dropped.



Yes, he was a victim. Such a victim that she still had power over him and forced him to try to get the charges dropped! This wasn't just sex, it was mind control!!!

Or maybe he wasn't really a victim at all. But no, we have to keep saying he was a victim because, otherwise the law will have to LEGALIZE ALL RAPE! So a victim he remains.

Fire the teacher, take away her teaching certificate, there, done. Prison? are you farking kidding me?
 
2013-03-02 12:28:34 PM  
I would be a lot more righteously indignant at this woman if this complainant had gone to the cops after the *first* time she had gotten him drunk and screwed around with him.  However, seeing as how the complainant testified that he came back for it nineteen more times after the first episode, I can't help but suspect that there was an element of consent in the trysts, however invalid legally, on his part.
 
2013-03-02 12:38:27 PM  

Christian Bale: After Waite had gone into her bathroom to take a shower, the victim testified that Gonzales dared him to go into the bathroom, so he did.


In June 2011, the teen sent a letter to Hadley saying he wanted Waite's prosecution dropped.


Yes, he was a victim. Such a victim that she still had power over him and forced him to try to get the charges dropped! This wasn't just sex, it was mind control!!!

Or maybe he wasn't really a victim at all. But no, we have to keep saying he was a victim because, otherwise the law will have to LEGALIZE ALL RAPE! So a victim he remains.

Fire the teacher, take away her teaching certificate, there, done. Prison? are you farking kidding me?


so we're for legalizing rape, but not marijuana

sounds like america
 
2013-03-02 12:45:36 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: so we're for legalizing rape, but not marijuana


The only person who was actually raped in this case was the woman on the floor in her bathroom. It has nothing to do with how many joints you smoke.
 
2013-03-02 01:44:31 PM  

gunga galunga: Farkenhostile: Sounds like a cash grab, now that she's convicted what are the odds that the school district gets sued for millions now? What she did was wrong but he knew what he was doing and isn't innocent either.

1. Make sexy time x 20 with an teacher
2. Testify against her in court, ensuring that she'll spend a good chunk of her remaining years in jail
3. Profit

/would give this guy a daily kick in the balls if that were possible


This times 10,000
 
2013-03-02 01:49:37 PM  
Come to mother, baby! Let me hold you in my arms! M'lud I never wanted him to get in any trouble. Why'd he ever have to leave me?! Worm, Your Honor, let me take him home....
 
2013-03-02 02:21:28 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: On the Side: Sounds like she should get fired, anything beyond that is just ridiculous.

If i read the article correctly, she was a volunteer. She probably wasnt even getting paid.

Also she was convicted of forcible sexual abuse. That dude went to the well at least 20 times. How the fark is that "forcible" ? I would have probably said guilty to a lesser charge but not for that one.


Bears repeating. Forcible is a violent or coerced rape; unless he testified that the woman said she'd get him kicked off the team if he didn't please her, what possible interpretation of forcible encompasses drunkenly carrying on with a drunk woman all night long and in the following days, after a friend dared him to?

This isn't exactly a Romeo and Juliet law situation, so I'm not particularly sympathetic when teach knew the law, but being convicted of a violent crime just to send a message is a travesty. I hope she gets an appeal and a sentence reduction.
 
2013-03-02 02:40:22 PM  

dready zim: MooseUpNorth: A GIS for 'smoking wet' should be done with due caution and only at great need. What has been seen can't be unseen. Hmm? Oh, no reason...

[allamericanheadshots.com image 640x480]
What on earth did YOU find?


Hopefully a woman with normally-proportioned arms.
 
2013-03-02 02:43:05 PM  

foxyshadis: Igor Jakovsky: On the Side:  forcible sexual abuse


This is prosecutorial discretion in action.  She got charged with the harshest offense the prosecutor could charge because she refused the plea bargain.  She got punished for exercising her right to trial.
 
2013-03-02 03:13:27 PM  
Jaime should have Waite-d til he was 18..

/on fire today!
 
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