So now schools have to provide their students with supplies. It is a good thing that education funding is not being cut due to a stupid compromise about the debt ceiling.

CSB:  ca. 1954, school sent home a "supply list" (3d grade).  My mommy says "Kiss my ass" (not true, my mommy wouldn't say "shiat" if she had a mouthful).  Never heard another word about it.

/My mommy iss the original clas act, not because my mommy, because of what she is.
//She's 90, I'm 67.
///Unlike her, I've been known to say "shiat!" frequently.  Wish I had got the better parts of her.

School provided everything when I was a kid. All we brought to school was ourselves. Though I liked to have a pencil box and binder with paper of my own.

alfuso: School provided everything when I was a kid. All we brought to school was ourselves. Though I liked to have a pencil box and binder with paper of my own.

Schools didn't provide everything to me.  But they damn sure provided every kid in Algebra I with a copy of the textbook.

The absolute most asinine thing about this is the fact that they were simply  askingfor parents to help with the supplies. If they were using the kid as a hostage for the supplies I can see getting in a furor, but  asking?

Karac: Schools didn't provide everything to me.  But they damn sure provided every kid in Algebra I with a copy of the textbook.

And, I'll bet, expected them to learn it.  Much different than today:  A BS is about the equivalent of a HS diploma in our day.  Probably a little less.

KrispyKritter: anyone that knows a school teacher or two knows many teachers have been spending their own money buying and bringing in whatever they can for their students for years. meanwhile the bulk of most folks local taxes go to the school system. fark parents. you want to have children you should be paying for their needs.

Let me guess:  card carrying member of NEA (or equivalent state education association)?

The page-long list of demanded supplies our kids bring home each year is starting to get ridiculous.  Some of the teachers even specify what brand of item they'll accept.  The one made sure to bold and italicize that the our 1st grader's scissors be "Fiskars" and only "Fiskars."  I think she owned Fiskar stock, personally.

Iczer: The absolute most asinine thing about this is the fact that they were simply  askingfor parents to help with the supplies. If they were using the kid as a hostage for the supplies I can see getting in a furor, but  asking?

I wondered about that.  My schools all asked my parents to buy things if they could, and we even took in extras for those whose parents couldn't.  I have to wonder if it was phrased in those kinds of terms or not?

I know my parents bought a lot of supplies for their classes because, well, they taught in some poor neighborhoods.  I don't think they were obligated to, but I know that they did buy a lot of books and other supplies for their classes because they gave a shiat about their students.

I'm not sure how asking parents if they can buy things for their own kids if they're able is a problem, though.

so if the parents are not paying for school supplies obviously the Teachers are going to pay for them out if their pitiful salary

ReverendJasen: The page-long list of demanded supplies our kids bring home each year is starting to get ridiculous.  Some of the teachers even specify what brand of item they'll accept.  The one made sure to bold and italicize that the our 1st grader's scissors be "Fiskars" and only "Fiskars."  I think she owned Fiskar stock, personally.

<--- Dated a teacher for many moons.  Usually specifics like that are there for 2 reasons:

1.     There's always that one kid that'll show up with some arcane left-handed scissors drop-forged in the fires of Ulm usable only by retarded bushwhacking cobblies from the planet Illse if you don't specify.   And it always turns out that little Susie is NOT a left-handed bushwhacking cobblie, knows no magic, and is allergic to drop forging.  When you bother to ask parents why they provided some strange scissors that little Susie effectively can't use for shiat, you learn not to ask the next 22 kids that do that over the years, as there will not be any sort of intelligent answer.  Trust me on this.

2.     Everyone having the same thing cuts down on severely or nearly eliminates the problems you get with jealousy and petty theft of supplies due to it.  "Susie has glitter-handled vibtrating scissors that summon Jesus, why do I have these plain old Fiskars whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa."  (Class is now distrupted multiple times over the year dealing with bullshiat over people wanting other peoples' supplies, and in some cases flat out ganking them and/or just ruining them in some horrible or horrifying way (or both!)  Not to mention having to convince Jesus that the kids need to get busy on their math so can we cut the visits short here, scissors summon or no?

Not getting into the who should provide what debate, too many variables between schools, methods, resources, etc. to really have that intelligent of a commentary on the idea in general.  BUT those 2 reasons are your primaries for any teacher with a very specific (and usually not so coincidentally non-flashy, fairly low quality, but servicable items) list

/Yep kids are absolute bastards like that, and much worse.  They can be amazing and amazingly hateful in the same 5 minutes - they're cool like that.
//Parents are even worse a lot of the time.  They're usually the enablers and sometimes the instigators of bringing in heavily flashy/decorated expensive school shiat for their kid where it's not specified what to get, cause the status game starts in pre-school for a lot of what I only call parents due to lack of any short descriptive word for people that have a family but have no idea how to actually PARENT.

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: ReverendJasen: The page-long list of demanded supplies our kids bring home each year is starting to get ridiculous.  Some of the teachers even specify what brand of item they'll accept.  The one made sure to bold and italicize that the our 1st grader's scissors be "Fiskars" and only "Fiskars."  I think she owned Fiskar stock, personally.

<--- Dated a teacher for many moons.  Usually specifics like that are there for 2 reasons:

1.     There's always that one kid that'll show up with some arcane left-handed scissors drop-forged in the fires of Ulm usable only by retarded bushwhacking cobblies from the planet Illse if you don't specify.   And it always turns out that little Susie is NOT a left-handed bushwhacking cobblie, knows no magic, and is allergic to drop forging.  When you bother to ask parents why they provided some strange scissors that little Susie effectively can't use for shiat, you learn not to ask the next 22 kids that do that over the years, as there will not be any sort of intelligent answer.  Trust me on this.

2.     Everyone having the same thing cuts down on severely or nearly eliminates the problems you get with jealousy and petty theft of supplies due to it.  "Susie has glitter-handled vibtrating scissors that summon Jesus, why do I have these plain old Fiskars whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa."  (Class is now distrupted multiple times over the year dealing with bullshiat over people wanting other peoples' supplies, and in some cases flat out ganking them and/or just ruining them in some horrible or horrifying way (or both!)  Not to mention having to convince Jesus that the kids need to get busy on their math so can we cut the visits short here, scissors summon or no?

Not getting into the who should provide what debate, too many variables between schools, methods, resources, etc. to really have that intelligent of a commentary on the idea in general.  BUT those 2 reasons are your primaries for any teacher with a very specific (and usually not so coincid ...

Absolute bullshiat.  My first grade class (1952) had 32 students in it (have the picture, counted them).  Teacher did fine, kids did fine (based on 2010 class reunion).  Todays teachers can KMA.

/and its a big, rosy red one.

Students need to bring their own damn supplies. I can't tell you the disrespect they show to things they don't own. I give the kids 5 pencils to start off the year and then have bucket of pencils. I had 20 pencils in lending, absent and only two remain. Heard kids were throwing them the next day.

Turns out, biatching about having to buy your kid basic school supplies makes you a shiatty parent.

Damn straight.

You shouldn't have to PAY for your kid's education. Go on and shift that burden onto all taxpayers - including those whose kids are out if schools and those didn't breed - then excuse doing so with the ol' "educated kids" and "the good of society" argument, even though the kids will 'graduate' functionally illiterate and lacking rudimentary job and life skills.

Things like pencils, notebooks, folders... these things typically aren't reusable. A school could probably provide some basic art supplies like scissors and paintbrushes, but I can see those getting expensive with how many would vanish over time. So I can see the craft supplies possibly needing to be purchased by the parents. But the algebra book? A copy of To Kill a Mockingbird? The kid only needs these once in their entire lives over a 3 to 9 month period at most. If I lost a textbook in HS (and I did), or ruined the book in some manner, they charged me for it. We checked them out at the beginning of the trimester, then turned them back in at the end so the teacher could check them over for penis drawings.

Lernaeus: Damn straight.

You shouldn't have to PAY for your kid's education. Go on and shift that burden onto all taxpayers - including those whose kids are out if schools and those didn't breed - then excuse doing so with the ol' "educated kids" and "the good of society" argument, even though the kids will 'graduate' functionally illiterate and lacking rudimentary job and life skills.

Go home Ayn, you're dead for chrissake.

There is so much derp in this thread that when I clicked on it, it sucked knowledge out of my head. I simultaneously forgot how many miles are in an AU and how Richard III ends. Thanks.

crabsno termites: KrispyKritter: anyone that knows a school teacher or two knows many teachers have been spending their own money buying and bringing in whatever they can for their students for years. meanwhile the bulk of most folks local taxes go to the school system. fark parents. you want to have children you should be paying for their needs.

Let me guess:  card carrying member of NEA (or equivalent state education association)?

I don't think so. I can tell by the bad grammar and punctuation, and I've seen a lot of NEA members in my time.

Yes this is dog: Deathfrogg: Lernaeus: Damn straight.

You shouldn't have to PAY for your kid's education. Go on and shift that burden onto all taxpayers - including those whose kids are out if schools and those didn't breed - then excuse doing so with the ol' "educated kids" and "the good of society" argument, even though the kids will 'graduate' functionally illiterate and lacking rudimentary job and life skills.

Go home Ayn, you're dead for chrissake.

That made me laugh way too hard.

Thanks dog. Now I'll never get those essays done...

crabsno termites: CSB:  ca. 1954, school sent home a "supply list" (3d grade).  My mommy says "Kiss my ass" (not true, my mommy wouldn't say "shiat" if she had a mouthful).  Never heard another word about it.

/My mommy iss the original clas act, not because my mommy, because of what she is.
//She's 90, I'm 67.
///Unlike her, I've been known to say "shiat!" frequently.  Wish I had got the better parts of her.

So your cool story is that your mom is a class act, doesn't swear, is 90 and you wish you were like her more?

Usually, we try to tie into the article a little bit more.

Conflicted,

On one hand I think that we need to stop enabling everyone in the USA. Are the schools supposed to supply the students with back packs and band instruments too?

Yet, I think that a small portion of a teachers salary is given with the expectation of spending some of it on school supplies for kids. Most employed people do sacrifice some of their wages to go to the opportunity to work. Manufacturing requires steel toed boots a lot of the time, dress shirts are required at more office centered jobs and need to be dry cleaned.

If a teacher needs to spend 100 dollars on some school supplies, I think their salary for working 9 months, impeccable insurance  and tenure will come with some of the territory.

great_tigers: Conflicted,

On one hand I think that we need to stop enabling everyone in the USA. Are the schools supposed to supply the students with back packs and band instruments too?

Yet, I think that a small portion of a teachers salary is given with the expectation of spending some of it on school supplies for kids. Most employed people do sacrifice some of their wages to go to the opportunity to work. Manufacturing requires steel toed boots a lot of the time, dress shirts are required at more office centered jobs and need to be dry cleaned.

If a teacher needs to spend 100 dollars on some school supplies, I think their salary for working 9 months, impeccable insurance  and tenure will come with some of the territory.

Lol wut?

Deathfrogg: great_tigers: Conflicted,

On one hand I think that we need to stop enabling everyone in the USA. Are the schools supposed to supply the students with back packs and band instruments too?

Yet, I think that a small portion of a teachers salary is given with the expectation of spending some of it on school supplies for kids. Most employed people do sacrifice some of their wages to go to the opportunity to work. Manufacturing requires steel toed boots a lot of the time, dress shirts are required at more office centered jobs and need to be dry cleaned.

If a teacher needs to spend 100 dollars on some school supplies, I think their salary for working 9 months, impeccable insurance  and tenure will come with some of the territory.

Lol wut?

Pretty simple, parents need to take care of some things, teachers should also take care of some things. It isn't an all or nothing situation. It is a compromise.

Access to free education has always been the law, just that kids are never allowed to challenge a school so they've been getting away with making you buy shiat.

great_tigers: crabsno termites: CSB:  ca. 1954, school sent home a "supply list" (3d grade).  My mommy says "Kiss my ass" (not true, my mommy wouldn't say "shiat" if she had a mouthful).  Never heard another word about it.

/My mommy iss the original clas act, not because my mommy, because of what she is.
//She's 90, I'm 67.
///Unlike her, I've been known to say "shiat!" frequently.  Wish I had got the better parts of her.

So your cool story is that your mom is a class act, doesn't swear, is 90 and you wish you were like her more?

Usually, we try to tie into the article a little bit more.

Missed the point, didn't you?

Lernaeus: Damn straight.

You shouldn't have to PAY for your kid's education. Go on and shift that burden onto all taxpayers - including those whose kids are out if schools and those didn't breed - then excuse doing so with the ol' "educated kids" and "the good of society" argument, even though the kids will 'graduate' functionally illiterate and lacking rudimentary job and life skills.

Read your property tax bill?  See the school district assessment?  Bigger than all the other taxing authority assessments?

/just sayin'

There is so much herpa derpa doo in here it's hard to know where to start... but let us address a few issues at least.

1> Your property taxes go in part to funding the whole educational system. (buildings, salaries, TEXTBOOKS)
2> If the educational system does not have enough money, then change the legislation. (that's a favorite theme here)
3> Basic school supplies does not include backpacks idiots, what it does include are farking textbooks.
4> If you don't want to pay into the tax system that ALL of society pays into, then go live in the wilderness and homestead, or GTFO of America, because you don't respect the laws in this land, or... here we go again - change it through legislation.

great_tigers: Deathfrogg: great_tigers: Conflicted,

On one hand I think that we need to stop enabling everyone in the USA. Are the schools supposed to supply the students with back packs and band instruments too?

Yet, I think that a small portion of a teachers salary is given with the expectation of spending some of it on school supplies for kids. Most employed people do sacrifice some of their wages to go to the opportunity to work. Manufacturing requires steel toed boots a lot of the time, dress shirts are required at more office centered jobs and need to be dry cleaned.

If a teacher needs to spend 100 dollars on some school supplies, I think their salary for working 9 months, impeccable insurance  and tenure will come with some of the territory.

Lol wut?

Pretty simple, parents need to take care of some things, teachers should also take care of some things. It isn't an all or nothing situation. It is a compromise.

Good thing teachers get to come to work naked on their magic flying unicorn and don't already have expenses tied to the job like maintaining a license, continuing education, supplies consumed at home that are 100% part of the job, etc.

And just to be clear - apparently its a crushing burden to ask the parents to buy the list of consumables the student will use up during the year, but it's perfectly OK to ask the teacher to buy that same list of material for all thirty+ students in their room, which apparently should cost "around a 100 dollars" for the whole class...... yeah, right.

Fizpez: Yet, I think that a small portion of a teachers salary is given with the expectation of spending some of it on school supplies for kids.

OH, BULLshiat!

Every parent expects to buy pencils, folders and other simple things like that. When you start asking them to buy textbooks and other things the school is supposed to be supplying things are getting out of hand.

crabsno termites: Fizpez: Yet, I think that a small portion of a teachers salary is given with the expectation of spending some of it on school supplies for kids.

OH, BULLshiat!

Hey!  Don't try to pin that derp on me!

Fizpez: great_tigers: Deathfrogg: great_tigers: Conflicted,

On one hand I think that we need to stop enabling everyone in the USA. Are the schools supposed to supply the students with back packs and band instruments too?

Yet, I think that a small portion of a teachers salary is given with the expectation of spending some of it on school supplies for kids. Most employed people do sacrifice some of their wages to go to the opportunity to work. Manufacturing requires steel toed boots a lot of the time, dress shirts are required at more office centered jobs and need to be dry cleaned.

If a teacher needs to spend 100 dollars on some school supplies, I think their salary for working 9 months, impeccable insurance  and tenure will come with some of the territory.

Lol wut?

Pretty simple, parents need to take care of some things, teachers should also take care of some things. It isn't an all or nothing situation. It is a compromise.

Good thing teachers get to come to work naked on their magic flying unicorn and don't already have expenses tied to the job like maintaining a license, continuing education, supplies consumed at home that are 100% part of the job, etc.

And just to be clear - apparently its a crushing burden to ask the parents to buy the list of consumables the student will use up during the year, but it's perfectly OK to ask the teacher to buy that same list of material for all thirty+ students in their room, which apparently should cost "around a 100 dollars" for the whole class...... yeah, right.

just to be clear as you put it..... Teachers should not be buying out of pocket either. If the school's treasurer/beancounter/whatever cannot figure out how to budget for the school year, then fire him/her and get one that can. If it's not that person's fault and its the board of education, then extracurricular activities until your books are balanced. You may not be popular, but, you make sure to direct the outrage at the right place - the board of education, or whoever is at fault.

this: then extracurricular activities until your books are balanced

should be: then cut extracurricular activities until your books are balanced

/sorry
//chanting: preview is my friend...

ReverendJasen: Some of the teachers even specify what brand of item they'll accept.  The one made sure to bold and italicize that the our 1st grader's scissors be "Fiskars" and only "Fiskars."  I think she owned Fiskar stock, personally.

That's because if the teachers don't specifiy, the kids will bring in garden shears, haircutting scissors, or a Leatherman. Read any instruction your kid's teacher sends home as if it were written for a retarded person to understand and carry out. Don't take it personally.

great_tigers: It is a compromise.

A compromise is fully understood by both sides and as a result, can be planned for and negotiated.

Maybe the federal government can come up with a "school supplies grab bag" of standard things that most children need, use their buying power to get the items in huge bulk at enormous discount, and then have them handed out free on the first day of school.

Of course, they would have to do so under the noses of Target and Walmart, who would otherwise kick up a fuss.

great_tigers: Conflicted,

On one hand I think that we need to stop enabling everyone in the USA. Are the schools supposed to supply the students with back packs and band instruments too?

Yet, I think that a small portion of a teachers salary is given with the expectation of spending some of it on school supplies for kids. Most employed people do sacrifice some of their wages to go to the opportunity to work. Manufacturing requires steel toed boots a lot of the time, dress shirts are required at more office centered jobs and need to be dry cleaned.

If a teacher needs to spend 100 dollars on some school supplies, I think their salary for working 9 months, impeccable insurance  and tenure will come with some of the territory.

My mother is now taking home less money than she did in the 70s, has no tenure because the state has nuked it for everyone, and sees half of her paycheck go to that "impeccable" insurance.  She takes home 800 dollars every two weeks right now for working her ass off from when she gets to school at 6am, then takes more work home with her and works until around 6pm.  And you want her to spend even more of her own money on basic supplies that should be provided?

Fark.  You.

People who think they don't benefit personally from being taxed to pay for other people's education are apparently wishing they were surrounded by even more ignorant fools.

Fizpez: Good thing teachers get to come to work naked on their magic flying unicorn and don't already have expenses tied to the job like maintaining a license, continuing education, supplies consumed at home that are 100% part of the job, etc.

And just to be clear - apparently its a crushing burden to ask the parents to buy the list of consumables the student will use up during the year, but it's perfectly OK to ask the teacher to buy that same list of material for all thirty+ students in their room, which apparently should cost "around a 100 dollars" for the whole class...... yeah, right.

[applause.gif]

/went to school in the 80's
//had supply lists back then, too

CipollinaFan: So now schools have to provide their students with supplies. It is a good thing that education funding is not being cut due to a stupid compromise about the debt ceiling.

School funding has grown way faster than inflation. Problem is the majority of new funds go to administration. How about fixing the top heavy system before shoveling more money to it. The U.S. spends more per student than virtually every other country.

I have always just watched people go along with the supply list and didn't ask questions.  The first I heard of not buying your own supplies came from a friend who threw a fit about the supply list and I just thought 'what's the big deal'.  Although the Fiskars scissors thing did bug me.  The teacher that started that with sound of a five minute commercial about the stupid things.  I read all that hoping it would involve federal, but alas just CA and will mean no changes for us.

Fizpez: great_tigers: Deathfrogg: great_tigers: Conflicted,

On one hand I think that we need to stop enabling everyone in the USA. Are the schools supposed to supply the students with back packs and band instruments too?

Yet, I think that a small portion of a teachers salary is given with the expectation of spending some of it on school supplies for kids. Most employed people do sacrifice some of their wages to go to the opportunity to work. Manufacturing requires steel toed boots a lot of the time, dress shirts are required at more office centered jobs and need to be dry cleaned.

If a teacher needs to spend 100 dollars on some school supplies, I think their salary for working 9 months, impeccable insurance  and tenure will come with some of the territory.

Lol wut?

Pretty simple, parents need to take care of some things, teachers should also take care of some things. It isn't an all or nothing situation. It is a compromise.

Good thing teachers get to come to work naked on their magic flying unicorn and don't already have expenses tied to the job like maintaining a license, continuing education, supplies consumed at home that are 100% part of the job, etc.

And just to be clear - apparently its a crushing burden to ask the parents to buy the list of consumables the student will use up during the year, but it's perfectly OK to ask the teacher to buy that same list of material for all thirty+ students in their room, which apparently should cost "around a 100 dollars" for the whole class...... yeah, right.

Amazing how teachers think they are the only professions with continuing education.

wildlifer:
The stupid fundraisers are what pisses me off. Selling the same stuff dollar general sells at marked up prices. Or the stupid ballon sales, or candy sales. My kids don't need the stupid prizes if they sell 1000 units or whatever.

Wouldn't let my kids participate in school sales after my son had a box of his merchandise stolen and we had to pony up for it.  Ditto on the bake sales...brought in a home baked apple pie and found out that the lady organizing the sale took it home.

Anyway, when I went to junior high in the late '60s we had to buy our books and then sell them back at a reduced rate at the end of the semester, just like college.  We also had to buy a regulation gymsuit that was so ugly it looked like something from a Russian gulag.  They stopped all that nonsense by the time I got to high school.

MyRandomName: CipollinaFan: So now schools have to provide their students with supplies. It is a good thing that education funding is not being cut due to a stupid compromise about the debt ceiling.

School funding has grown way faster than inflation. Problem is the majority of new funds go to administration. How about fixing the top heavy system before shoveling more money to it. The U.S. spends more per student than virtually every other country.

quiet you. This is the fault of the sequester and republicans.  So is this year's hurricane season.

having 3 kids i have never been asked to buy anything besides the normal pens/pencils/notebooks/etc.   What i hate is when the teacher's want things that make it cost more money when you don't need to. MY oldest has hit the grade level where instead of having one teacher for all his classes hes might have 3 or 4 teacher for all the classes.  When I was in school if you had a teacher for more then one class you got a binder and one of the notebooks made for more then one class.   This year when my  oldest when bringing home the list of stuff he need for his classes had a list form one teacher that said each kid  could not have a one binder/notebook for all of the class the child had with this teacher and that must have one class binders/notebook for each of the classes the child has with this teacher along with having a supply of pens/pencil/etc that would be lock in the teachers room to be used only in that teachers classes. Because of what this teacher wanted it turned what should have been around  $10-$15 for all the classes my son had with said teacher(not counting the stuff you get that would be used for all classes) in to almost $30-$35 just in stuff for this one teacher.  While I have great respect for most teachers the only thing that stopped me for calling up and telling this teacher to go stuff it and that i was getting my kid one 3 class binder and one 3 class notebook and that he have plenty of pens and stuff form what me and his mom got him for use over all for the year, was the fact that his mother and my mom told me not to cause trouble cause it seems this school district had a rule that teachers can fail kids for not falling the teacher rule and this teacher had done it for kids who's parents had not giving the kids the right stuff. Granted I did file a complaint with the school district and the state education department.(state department said it was stupid and that they be looking into it can't wait to see what happens there).