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(Sun Journal (Maine))   A Republican Governor who actually practices fiscal responsibility? WHAT IS THIS MADNESS   (sunjournal.com) divider line 19
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2013-03-02 04:40:57 AM  
2 votes:
The article says ...

"The heart of LePage's plan to pay back the $484 million the state and federal government owe Maine's hospitals for care provided to recipients of the state's Medicaid program, known as MaineCare, depends on the state renegotiating its contract with the company that runs the state's liquor business.

I had to go to another site but it looks like LaPage is trying to strong arm the Democrats in borrowing an additional 186 million in debt, and he wishes to redirect the revenue from the alcohol contract to pay the bond off. The other site also points out that LaPage is sitting on almost 300 million that was authorized in 2011 and 2012, and he is refusing to release it unless he is allowed to redirect the revenue of this one alcohol contract.

It still smells funny.
2013-03-02 04:25:39 AM  
2 votes:

cman: BrotherEarth: If I am reading this article correctly, LePage is holding the entire state legislature, and it's citizens hostage until they allow him to negotiate a new state alcohol contract under the premise that the state's alcohol contract will pay the hospitals bills?

This stinks like corruption to me.

No. Those two had nothing in common besides the veto threat. It was dueling press conferences that evolved into the liquor argument. The liquor distributor is a very hot topic in Augusta.


Okay, so what LaPage's "little plan" that must get passed, or everything else gets vetoed? It seems like he is saying he wont even authorize payment unless his plan is passed.
2013-03-02 04:15:25 AM  
2 votes:

davidphogan: BrotherEarth: If I am reading this article correctly, LePage is holding the entire state legislature, and it's citizens hostage until they allow him to negotiate a new state alcohol contract under the premise that the state's alcohol contract will pay the hospitals bills?

This stinks like corruption to me.

They can override a veto.


That's not the point. LaPage is saying that he will lay out a little plan that he has and everything else will be vetoed till they pass his plan. According to the article, his plan intends to pay the states portion (186 million) partially by negotiating a new contract with the company that runs the states alcohol business. Sounds okay, but that contract is only worth 8 million. Why is LaPage so interested in that one contract. What's in it for him, or is it a vendetta against someone he has a disagreement with? He is so obsessed with this one contract that he will veto all bills till they agree to his plan.

It doesn't pass the smell test. LaPage seems to be trying his hardest to end up in a prison cell.
2013-03-02 03:57:50 AM  
2 votes:
If I am reading this article correctly, LePage is holding the entire state legislature, and it's citizens hostage until they allow him to negotiate a new state alcohol contract under the premise that the state's alcohol contract will pay the hospitals bills?

This stinks like corruption to me.
2013-03-03 08:00:34 AM  
1 votes:
Yes, but he practices it with bluster, brinksmanship, lunatic words and actions, and with bold faced lies. In other words, few people can see any positive work beyond his festering basket of crazy.
2013-03-02 03:01:17 PM  
1 votes:

actualhuman: BrotherEarth: actualhuman: Do you know a single farking thing about Maine?

I lived in New England for almost 40 years.

Just for the record that was not my quote.

/S'all good.


Apologies. My cut and past skills seem to be lacking today

The WindowLicker: That does not answer the question about Maine


I don't know, or claim to know, everything about Maine. I did spend several years there, many many moons ago and I'm sure it has changed in the passing years. But, again, yes, I do know a few Farking things about Maine.

As anyone who has read this thread can figure out, I'm a classic northern liberal, and I'm not a LaPage guy. I'm going to question any politician that is willing to screw over the entire state to force his pet project (186 million in new debt to be paid for by a single specific contract).

The democrats have suggested that the two should be de-coupled, to deal with the hospital debt in one bill, and then deal with the Alcohol contract in another bill. LaPage would still get his coveted alcohol contract renegotiated, and the hospitals would still be paid.

LaPage is obsessively demanding a coupling that is both unnecessary and nonsensical. And, refusing to compromise to the point of holding his breath veto pen until he gets his way. Something is seriously wrong.
2013-03-02 06:11:18 AM  
1 votes:

Boo Radley: At a time when Republican governors around the country are refusing to expand their Medicaid coverage under Obamacare because they hate poor people and having a black President, this guy is bucking that trend and doing everything possible to ensure that hospitals get reimbursed ASAP by the state and feds for helping the poor.


No, he's not.  If he were, he'd accept alternatives, which the Democrats have tried to give him.  He's saying "no, alkie contract" to every one.  It will get to the point where one of 3 things happen:

1) The Dems cave and let him have his alkie contract.
2) The Republicans get so sick of the vetoes that they vote to override a few of them, and pay Medicaid that way.
3) The state defaults.

Besides, we're applauding the "fiscal responsibility" of a man who stopped everything until he had a mural dedicated to Maine labor taken down.  He's just as anti-worker as the rest of the Republican party.
2013-03-02 05:34:09 AM  
1 votes:

namatad: Sure Illinois has retarded distributor middlemen, increasing our prices with zero value added.
But at least we dont have package stores and state stores.


I grew up in Connecticut and they were called "Package Stores" there. Closed at 8:00 pm (now 9:00 pm) - and now I live in the bible belt, beer and wine are sold 24/7 at walmart and they have "Liqueur Stores" for the harder stuff. Alcohol laws are FUBAR, and ripe for kickbacks and crony capitalism. In Maine, where the state has 100% control of all alcohol sales, and can sell that concession to the highest bidder, it seems there needs to be more oversight and negotiation than LaPage is willing to partake in.

¢¢
2013-03-02 05:22:34 AM  
1 votes:

Boo Radley: And what exactly should State alcohol sales revenue go towards if not funding healthcare for poor people? Booze is definitely doing it's share of the damage, why shouldn't most of the revenue the State makes off it go towards funding the consequences?


Agreed. It is just that my BS detector goes off when all govt must stop until LaPage says so unless the state agrees to borrow 186 million and specifically tie the proceeds of a single contract toward paying hospital debts.

Just pay the Farking hospital bill and renegotiate the contract if the state can get a better deal.

Demanding they be linked makes me ask "why?"
2013-03-02 05:09:51 AM  
1 votes:

Boo Radley: guy is bucking that trend and doing everything possible to ensure that hospitals get reimbursed ASAP


Actually, he's not. He's demanding that the Hospitals be paid from a new 186 million bond that will then be tied to a renegotiated alcohol contract. It isn't about when the hospitals get paid, its about how the payment is made.

Everything else you said was correct.
2013-03-02 04:55:25 AM  
1 votes:

namatad: BrotherEarth: It doesn't pass the smell test. LaPage seems to be trying his hardest to end up in a prison cell.

LOLWUT?!!

one of his constitutional powers is vetoing ANY and ALL bills that he chooses fit to veto. PERIOD.
NOT the ones that the legislature think that he should veto.
NOT the ones that the citizens think that he should veto.

HE IS THE EXECUTIVE OFFICER.
He can be voted out of office.
He could recalled, if Maine is a recall state.
BUT, he is legally doing his job. PERIOD.

The fact that people dont like the job is irrelevant. It's his job. Until he is removed from office.
Vetoing a bill is not illegal.

Find that he is breaking some law, kickbacks, bribes, what not. FINE.
But doing his job??
What part is confusing ??


I don't know what is confusing you. Why are you thinking that the governing process is an issue? You should be concentrating on what LaPage's goal is. What is so important about that one contract that he is willing to disrupt the entire governing process (which you are obsessing about) in order to achieve that goal. What is LaPage's goal here? Why does he demand an extra 186 million in debt? Why does he demand that this new debt be tied to a single contract? What are the ramification of that policy?

The first and most obvious is this will ensure that alcohol will always be sold by the state, not supermarkets or package stores. It is going to take a long time to pay off 186 million at 8 million per year. The interest on that is going to be enormous, and I'd be curious to know where LaPage's hand is in this cookie jar. Does he have a stake with the finance company who will issue the bonds?

Doesn't that raise even a little bit of curiosity in your mind?
2013-03-02 04:05:25 AM  
1 votes:

davidphogan: If they're so important they can override his veto.  What bills have they passed that are that important so far?


So, your argument is that if he's being irresponsible, a large group of people can get together and be responsible for him?

That never seems to work out.
2013-03-02 03:27:28 AM  
1 votes:

davidphogan: GAT_00: That doesn't seem like fiscal responsibility.  That seems like running the state like a dictator.

Yeah, drinking at 6 am on St Patricks Day is way more important than solving fiduciary problems.


What's he solving?  Preventing any action from being taken until one particular bill is paid?  Good for the hospitals, but doesn't that screw up the rest of the state?
2013-03-02 01:40:04 AM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: That seems like running the state like a dictator.


No. General Augusto Pinochet ran Chile like a "dictatorship." Vetoing non-bill paying legislation in order to fast track bill-paying legislation for a state's poor and indigent Medicaid services does not qualify the Governor of Maine as running a "dictatorship." If the residents of Maine do not favor this, I'm sure they will let the governor know. They don't have to re-elect him and perhaps they can even recall him. But it is difficult to argue that legislation that pays a state's debts on time is less important that about any other legislation since it can in fact affect the future bond rating and interests rate.
2013-03-02 12:49:06 AM  
1 votes:
I see "Maine" on the link icon, so I'm guessing no. Also, supporting evidence ITT.
RTFA: vetoing everything, however unrelated, until you get one thing you want. Responsibility defined apparently.
Further, state and municipality run liquor stored are stupid.
2013-03-02 12:48:00 AM  
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: cman: We elected that idiot Baldacci and this is his legacy.

LePage is just cleaning up the mess left by Baldacci.

So, Baldacci = Bush and LePage = Obama?

Do a lot of people blame LePage for Baldacci's mess?


lol, I do see the similarities.

LePage is the Governor. Its his state. He is responsible for fixing this. If he doesn't then it does become his mess. Vietnam was started by Kennedy expanded by LBJ and ended by Nixon. But, guess what? Nixon gets most of the blame for the mess in Vietnam. It is because Nixon didnt fix it. He made it worse by not fixing it. He ran on ending the war and by his second term it still was happening. Sure, the two Democrats got us into Vietnam, but the person we elected to get us out didn't until it was politically impossible to keep them there.
2013-03-02 12:37:32 AM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: That doesn't seem like fiscal responsibility.  That seems like running the state like a dictator.


He is the executive of the state.

He sets the direction that Maine takes. That is his job.

Demanding that the Maine Senate fix one of the states biggest problem is needed. Like Obama did on the fiscal cliff situation, LePage is grabbing his balls and saying "fark this; fix this now or I will go all ArnoldSchwarzenegger on your asses"
2013-03-01 10:46:45 PM  
1 votes:
That doesn't seem like fiscal responsibility.  That seems like running the state like a dictator.
2013-03-01 10:10:52 PM  
1 votes:
We elected that idiot Baldacci and this is his legacy.

LePage is just cleaning up the mess left by Baldacci.
 
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