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(Sun Journal (Maine))   A Republican Governor who actually practices fiscal responsibility? WHAT IS THIS MADNESS   (sunjournal.com) divider line 69
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2013-03-02 10:54:27 AM  

macadamnut: Dancin_In_Anson: TFA: A state contract with Maine Beverage, the company currently running the state's alcohol business .


What? You can't run a government monopoly without a private middleman intercepting the profits, now can you? Because that would be more socialistic than Pol Pot working at an abortion clinic.

Why do I get the feeling we're all going to be buying our liquor at Marden's next year?


You shoulda bought it.
When you saw it.
At  MARDENS!!!!!!
 
2013-03-02 11:01:44 AM  

IlGreven: Boo Radley: At a time when Republican governors around the country are refusing to expand their Medicaid coverage under Obamacare because they hate poor people and having a black President, this guy is bucking that trend and doing everything possible to ensure that hospitals get reimbursed ASAP by the state and feds for helping the poor.

No, he's not.  If he were, he'd accept alternatives, which the Democrats have tried to give him.  He's saying "no, alkie contract" to every one.  It will get to the point where one of 3 things happen:

1) The Dems cave and let him have his alkie contract.
2) The Republicans get so sick of the vetoes that they vote to override a few of them, and pay Medicaid that way.
3) The state defaults.

Besides, we're applauding the "fiscal responsibility" of a man who stopped everything until he had a mural dedicated to Maine labor taken down.  He's just as anti-worker as the rest of the Republican party.


Ayup.
 
2013-03-02 11:37:09 AM  

cman: We elected that idiot Baldacci and this is his legacy.

LePage is just cleaning up the mess left by Baldacci.


Baldacci is no longer governor. When are you going to stop blaming him for everything?
 
2013-03-02 11:39:43 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Also, he says doing so would improve the fiscal health of the state enough (I would imagine having a plan to cover millions in debt does that!) which would allow him to release previous bonds that have been voted on to do things like build a new prison


"Allow him".  That's a good one.

For those not aware of this little piece of inside baseball, he's abusing a law that was designed to give the Governor flexibility in issuing bonds for optimum cash flow timing, to prevent the issuance of economic development bonds that have been ratified in law and approved by popular vote, at a time when rates are at historic lows, instead using them purely as a matter of political leverage.

Not only has Mr. LePage's "fiscal responsibility" not impressed Wall St.,  the Maine fiscal outlook has been dropped from stable to negative by all three major ratings agencies, and each specifically cited the political histrionics, which only LePage engages in, and the fiscal instability exacerbated greatly by LePage's push for an income tax cut that primarily benefits the take one guess who.

And in the latest round of fiscal responsibility, the Governor is attempting pull off a massive tax shift from the state sales tax to local property taxes.

In short, the guy is a ideological dickbag, legislators are right to be very skeptical, and the ultimatum should only increase that skepticism.  The guy is a frikking clown.
 
2013-03-02 11:42:02 AM  
Also, the prison bond is something entirely different, and not at all related to the approved bonds.
 
2013-03-02 01:30:05 PM  

BrotherEarth: namatad: BrotherEarth: It doesn't pass the smell test. LaPage seems to be trying his hardest to end up in a prison cell.

LOLWUT?!!

one of his constitutional powers is vetoing ANY and ALL bills that he chooses fit to veto. PERIOD.
NOT the ones that the legislature think that he should veto.
NOT the ones that the citizens think that he should veto.

HE IS THE EXECUTIVE OFFICER.
He can be voted out of office.
He could recalled, if Maine is a recall state.
BUT, he is legally doing his job. PERIOD.

The fact that people dont like the job is irrelevant. It's his job. Until he is removed from office.
Vetoing a bill is not illegal.

Find that he is breaking some law, kickbacks, bribes, what not. FINE.
But doing his job??
What part is confusing ??

I don't know what is confusing you. Why are you thinking that the governing process is an issue? You should be concentrating on what LaPage's goal is. What is so important about that one contract that he is willing to disrupt the entire governing process (which you are obsessing about) in order to achieve that goal. What is LaPage's goal here? Why does he demand an extra 186 million in debt? Why does he demand that this new debt be tied to a single contract? What are the ramification of that policy?

The first and most obvious is this will ensure that alcohol will always be sold by the state, not supermarkets or package stores. It is going to take a long time to pay off 186 million at 8 million per year. The interest on that is going to be enormous, and I'd be curious to know where LaPage's hand is in this cookie jar. Does he have a stake with the finance company who will issue the bonds?

Doesn't that raise even a little bit of curiosity in your mind?


Do you know a single farking thing about Maine? Liquor is ALREADY sold in pretty much EVERY grocery store and corner store in the state. It's pretty hard to take your opinion seriously when you don't know material facts...
 
2013-03-02 01:37:27 PM  

YoungLochinvar: BrotherEarth: namatad: BrotherEarth: It doesn't pass the smell test. LaPage seems to be trying his hardest to end up in a prison cell.

LOLWUT?!!

one of his constitutional powers is vetoing ANY and ALL bills that he chooses fit to veto. PERIOD.
NOT the ones that the legislature think that he should veto.
NOT the ones that the citizens think that he should veto.

HE IS THE EXECUTIVE OFFICER.
He can be voted out of office.
He could recalled, if Maine is a recall state.
BUT, he is legally doing his job. PERIOD.

The fact that people dont like the job is irrelevant. It's his job. Until he is removed from office.
Vetoing a bill is not illegal.

Find that he is breaking some law, kickbacks, bribes, what not. FINE.
But doing his job??
What part is confusing ??

I don't know what is confusing you. Why are you thinking that the governing process is an issue? You should be concentrating on what LaPage's goal is. What is so important about that one contract that he is willing to disrupt the entire governing process (which you are obsessing about) in order to achieve that goal. What is LaPage's goal here? Why does he demand an extra 186 million in debt? Why does he demand that this new debt be tied to a single contract? What are the ramification of that policy?

The first and most obvious is this will ensure that alcohol will always be sold by the state, not supermarkets or package stores. It is going to take a long time to pay off 186 million at 8 million per year. The interest on that is going to be enormous, and I'd be curious to know where LaPage's hand is in this cookie jar. Does he have a stake with the finance company who will issue the bonds?

Doesn't that raise even a little bit of curiosity in your mind?

Do you know a single farking thing about Maine? Liquor is ALREADY sold in pretty much EVERY grocery store and corner store in the state. It's pretty hard to take your opinion seriously when you don't know material facts...


Well, it's irrelevant to his point -- the wholesale operation is a state licensed monopoly whose contract doesn't expire until next year, so acting as if contract negotiation is some sort of urgent priority is puzzling behavior at best.
 
2013-03-02 01:39:55 PM  
My own read on LePage is that he's a poor man's Chris Christie - he doesn't really have any idea what he's doing but gosh darnit he's firm in his convictions! So there!
 
2013-03-02 02:22:33 PM  

actualhuman: Do you know a single farking thing about Maine?


I lived in New England for almost 40 years.
 
2013-03-02 02:30:49 PM  

BrotherEarth: I lived in New England for almost 40 years.


That does not answer the question about Maine.  I grew up in Maine; I don't know anything about Rhode Island.  (Well except that indoor prostitution was legal there for awhile)

Back on topic:

I fully believe that LePage is doing something slimy, but the only articles I can find on the topic make it look like the state legislature are being dicks.
 
2013-03-02 02:34:27 PM  

BrotherEarth: actualhuman: Do you know a single farking thing about Maine?

I lived in New England for almost 40 years.


Just for the record that was not my quote.

/S'all good.
 
2013-03-02 02:36:47 PM  

The WindowLicker: BrotherEarth: I lived in New England for almost 40 years.

That does not answer the question about Maine.  I grew up in Maine; I don't know anything about Rhode Island.  (Well except that indoor prostitution was legal there for awhile)

Back on topic:

I fully believe that LePage is doing something slimy, but the only articles I can find on the topic make it look like the state legislature are being dicks.


I feel like a lot of the Maine press (other than the PPH) has a pretty bad moderate-right bias in the way they cover things. In the CNN "we'll leave it there" way more than overt bias but still.
 
2013-03-02 02:43:23 PM  

actualhuman: I feel like a lot of the Maine press (other than the PPH) has a pretty bad moderate-right bias in the way they cover things. In the CNN "we'll leave it there" way more than overt bias but still.


Yeah, I noticed a reference to the "Obama Sequester" yesterday in the BDN. Everyone knows the media is owned by a few extremely liberal giant corporations.
 
2013-03-02 02:56:52 PM  

macadamnut: actualhuman: I feel like a lot of the Maine press (other than the PPH) has a pretty bad moderate-right bias in the way they cover things. In the CNN "we'll leave it there" way more than overt bias but still.

Yeah, I noticed a reference to the "Obama Sequester" yesterday in the BDN. Everyone knows the media is owned by a few extremely liberal giant corporations.


God dammit they're terrible.

/Except the local music/arts writer. She's cool.
/The rest of them are terrible
 
2013-03-02 03:01:17 PM  

actualhuman: BrotherEarth: actualhuman: Do you know a single farking thing about Maine?

I lived in New England for almost 40 years.

Just for the record that was not my quote.

/S'all good.


Apologies. My cut and past skills seem to be lacking today

The WindowLicker: That does not answer the question about Maine


I don't know, or claim to know, everything about Maine. I did spend several years there, many many moons ago and I'm sure it has changed in the passing years. But, again, yes, I do know a few Farking things about Maine.

As anyone who has read this thread can figure out, I'm a classic northern liberal, and I'm not a LaPage guy. I'm going to question any politician that is willing to screw over the entire state to force his pet project (186 million in new debt to be paid for by a single specific contract).

The democrats have suggested that the two should be de-coupled, to deal with the hospital debt in one bill, and then deal with the Alcohol contract in another bill. LaPage would still get his coveted alcohol contract renegotiated, and the hospitals would still be paid.

LaPage is obsessively demanding a coupling that is both unnecessary and nonsensical. And, refusing to compromise to the point of holding his breath veto pen until he gets his way. Something is seriously wrong.
 
2013-03-02 11:38:07 PM  

BrotherEarth: actualhuman: BrotherEarth: actualhuman: Do you know a single farking thing about Maine?

I lived in New England for almost 40 years.

Just for the record that was not my quote.

/S'all good.

Apologies. My cut and past skills seem to be lacking today

The WindowLicker: That does not answer the question about Maine

I don't know, or claim to know, everything about Maine. I did spend several years there, many many moons ago and I'm sure it has changed in the passing years. But, again, yes, I do know a few Farking things about Maine.

As anyone who has read this thread can figure out, I'm a classic northern liberal, and I'm not a LaPage guy. I'm going to question any politician that is willing to screw over the entire state to force his pet project (186 million in new debt to be paid for by a single specific contract).

The democrats have suggested that the two should be de-coupled, to deal with the hospital debt in one bill, and then deal with the Alcohol contract in another bill. LaPage would still get his coveted alcohol contract renegotiated, and the hospitals would still be paid.

LaPage is obsessively demanding a coupling that is both unnecessary and nonsensical. And, refusing to compromise to the point of holding his breath veto pen until he gets his way. Something is seriously wrong.


You know,
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." ~  Robert J. Hanlon
It could just be that LaPage really wants the liquor contract and the Medicare thing handled. He's being awfully stupid about it, but given his previous Fark appearance (the mural), that doesn't seem out of character. I mean, much as I would like to ascribe intelligence to any of our politicians, I know better. I know much, much better. Quite frankly, out a random selection of politicians, I would be surprised if three out of five could get out an umbrella when it's raining.
 
2013-03-03 01:35:32 AM  
BDN is one of the only family run papers left. The editor is pretty liberal personally.
 
2013-03-03 08:00:34 AM  
Yes, but he practices it with bluster, brinksmanship, lunatic words and actions, and with bold faced lies. In other words, few people can see any positive work beyond his festering basket of crazy.
 
2013-03-03 11:51:44 AM  
Simply refusing to pay your bills is not fiscal responsibility.
 
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