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2013-03-01 10:17:11 PM
Don't worry, it will be remade in a few years as a comedy by the ZAZ brothers.
 
2013-03-01 10:18:05 PM
Last night's episode delivered 5 million viewers [...].

Meanwhile, that still beats all the shows combined each hour on the 'news' networks.
 
2013-03-01 10:26:27 PM
I tried watching this show, but I couldn't buy Goose fighting ancient Nazis.
 
2013-03-01 10:27:50 PM
9 AM.
 
2013-03-01 10:29:53 PM

bluorangefyre: I tried watching this show, but I couldn't buy Goose fighting ancient Nazis.


Goose-fighting ancient Nazis, on the other hand, would make for an awesome show.
 
2013-03-01 10:40:24 PM
As usual, a show I DVR on broadcast TV gets canceled.

/at least I can watch House of Cards
 
2013-03-01 10:41:32 PM
I think the networks should just embrace who they are and stick to singing shows, dancing shows, Chuck Lorre, and procedurals. That way, when the a la carte lawsuit comes through, I don't have to pay for them and save a ton of cash.
 
2013-03-01 10:58:55 PM
Why the f*ck do get hooked into these things?
 
2013-03-01 11:00:56 PM

Trocadero: I think the networks should just embrace who they are and stick to singing shows, dancing shows, Chuck Lorre, and procedurals. That way, when the a la carte lawsuit comes through, I don't have to pay for them and save a ton of cash.


We should go back to the Fox of the 90s:  When ______ Attacks and Alien Autopsies. Good stuff.
 
2013-03-01 11:30:46 PM

Bith Set Me Up: 9 AM.


Every time I see that title.
 
2013-03-01 11:38:49 PM
Repeats of Shark Tank will take over the slot for the next two weeks

That's what they did with Don't Trust the B in Apt 23. F*ck ABC. Who the hell even watches Shark Tank?


Trocadero: I think the networks should just embrace who they are and stick to singing shows, dancing shows, Chuck Lorre, and procedurals. That way, when the a la carte lawsuit comes through, I don't have to pay for them and save a ton of cash.


I don't think Lorre has any shows on ABC. Though I agree with you that they should just give the hell up on High Concept shows. It never seems to work for them well enough. Last Resort, V, Flash Forward, etc. Give up trying to re-create Lost, you morons. That particular lightning is simply NOT going to strike again.

If they cancel Bunheads I will swear off the Disney networks entirely. I NEED to find out what Mel does to Frankie when she finds out what happened with Ginny.
 
2013-03-01 11:43:54 PM
Jesus, TV execs are impatient and fickle these days. Seinfeld would have never lasted long if it premiered today. It took 3 seasons and a lot of faith from NBC before the show became a TV classic. Nowadays, it'd get cancelled after 2 episodes.
 
2013-03-01 11:47:06 PM

fusillade762: Give up trying to re-create Lost, you morons. That particular lightning is simply NOT going to strike again.


You're right.  As long as they try to make a show trying to be the next Lost (or any other non-standard show that inspires clones) they are doomed to fail.  At some point a show will be green-lit that will be original and hit at just the right moment to become a cultural phenomenon.

/that said Zer0 Hour was much too pants on head crazy to ever succeed.
 
2013-03-01 11:49:13 PM

fusillade762: Repeats of Shark Tank will take over the slot for the next two weeks

That's what they did with Don't Trust the B in Apt 23. F*ck ABC. Who the hell even watches Shark Tank?


Trocadero: I think the networks should just embrace who they are and stick to singing shows, dancing shows, Chuck Lorre, and procedurals. That way, when the a la carte lawsuit comes through, I don't have to pay for them and save a ton of cash.

I don't think Lorre has any shows on ABC. Though I agree with you that they should just give the hell up on High Concept shows. It never seems to work for them well enough. Last Resort, V, Flash Forward, etc. Give up trying to re-create Lost, you morons. That particular lightning is simply NOT going to strike again.

If they cancel Bunheads I will swear off the Disney networks entirely. I NEED to find out what Mel does to Frankie when she finds out what happened with Ginny.


ABC Family pissed me off when they cancelled Kyle XY on a cliffhanger so they could bring us Secret Life of a Teen Slut. Then ABC canned V, No Ordinary Family and Pan-Am. If they screw over Happy Endings, i'm done with those motherf*ckers.
 
2013-03-01 11:49:27 PM
This show was terrible.  It deserved the ax.
 
2013-03-01 11:51:10 PM

Nefarious: fusillade762: Give up trying to re-create Lost, you morons. That particular lightning is simply NOT going to strike again.

You're right.  As long as they try to make a show trying to be the next Lost (or any other non-standard show that inspires clones) they are doomed to fail.  At some point a show will be green-lit that will be original and hit at just the right moment to become a cultural phenomenon.

/that said Zer0 Hour was much too pants on head crazy to ever succeed.


You'd think after the failure of The Nine, Day One, Flash Forward, and The River, that they'd quit trying to making Lost 2: Electric Boogaloo
 
2013-03-02 12:02:12 AM

enry: As usual, a show I DVR on broadcast TV gets canceled.

/at least I can watch House of Cards


I've started DVRing stuff and just sitting on it til I see if it gets picked up for a second season, or at least given an ending, like Last Resort.
 
2013-03-02 12:04:34 AM

fusillade762: Who the hell even watches Shark Tank?


Almost twice as many 18-49ers than watched Zero Hour.  It's by far been the best Friday night show this year.  And no, the old fogies watching CBS don't count.  For right or wrong, advertisers pay for the youngguns.
 
2013-03-02 12:05:24 AM
Now's the time.  I want to see a Heroes for Hire tv show.  Come on Disney/Marvel/ABC... make it happen
 
2013-03-02 12:07:11 AM
Wow, that was quick. How many episodes aired? Two or three?
 
2013-03-02 12:21:27 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: If they screw over Happy Endings, i'm done with those motherf*ckers.


They're moving it to a Friday slot. Doesn't look good.
 
2013-03-02 12:35:30 AM
I hope the writers wrap up the plot in an interesting summary, though it did feel cheap to use Einstein and make him pro-Catholic.

That said, I liked Shark Tank when it was on the CBC and called "Dragon's Den,"
 
2013-03-02 12:38:05 AM

Witty_Retort: enry: As usual, a show I DVR on broadcast TV gets canceled.

/at least I can watch House of Cards

I've started DVRing stuff and just sitting on it til I see if it gets picked up for a second season, or at least given an ending, like Last Resort.


Wikipedia says that Netflix has already given the OK for a second season, so hooray for you!
 
2013-03-02 12:50:08 AM
Watched the first episode and I said aloud "I actually enjoyed this, might as well stop watching now."
 
2013-03-02 12:53:56 AM
It wasn't a completely different kind of show. Altogether?
 
2013-03-02 12:54:50 AM
ABC blew it  with the  Lost final season.

Not mad, just don't care.
 
2013-03-02 01:01:11 AM
The acting was so damn awful and that FBI woman grated my nerves from day one. It could have been entertaining if it wasn't a rehash of "WHERE"S MY SON" from Lost plus I AM FBI WOMAN RAAR.

I'm just sad I won't get to see the additional clocks, which Mr. ConCon had designed and made for them. :(
 
2013-03-02 01:14:11 AM

ConConHead: The acting was so damn awful and that FBI woman grated my nerves from day one. It could have been entertaining if it wasn't a rehash of "WHERE"S MY SON" from Lost plus I AM FBI WOMAN RAAR.

I'm just sad I won't get to see the additional clocks, which Mr. ConCon had designed and made for them. :(


You know, as I was slogging through the second season of "The Walking Dead" and the endless search for the little girl, I was thinking, "This seems familiar somehow. Where have I seen this before?"

/They took my boy!
//WAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLTTTTT!!!
 
2013-03-02 01:18:15 AM

fusillade762: Repeats of Shark Tank will take over the slot for the next two weeks

Who the hell even watches Shark Tank?


I *love* Shark Tank. One of my favorite shows. The guy with the hurricane machine that could extract gold from water was hilarious.
 
2013-03-02 03:14:32 AM
I think it had promise but just was not given enough time to establish itself. Fringe would have flopped if they only gave it 3 episodes. So would have "The X Files."
 
2013-03-02 06:44:37 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: Nefarious: fusillade762: Give up trying to re-create Lost, you morons. That particular lightning is simply NOT going to strike again.

You're right.  As long as they try to make a show trying to be the next Lost (or any other non-standard show that inspires clones) they are doomed to fail.  At some point a show will be green-lit that will be original and hit at just the right moment to become a cultural phenomenon.

/that said Zer0 Hour was much too pants on head crazy to ever succeed.

You'd think after the failure of The Nine, Day One, Flash Forward, and The River, that they'd quit trying to making Lost 2: Electric Boogaloo


Maybe ABC should stop pussyfooting around and have a show "Lost 2"
 
2013-03-02 07:08:35 AM
This actually makes me a little sad. As silly as the show is/was, I want good things for Anthony Edwards. The man's got decent prescence and I always felt he deserved good success after his turn on ER.
 
2013-03-02 07:13:26 AM

jimw: I think it had promise but just was not given enough time to establish itself. Fringe would have flopped if they only gave it 3 episodes. So would have "The X Files."


It seems like the networks are really fast to pull the trigger these days. I don't remember it being like this even as recently as a decade ago. Back then, if the network had a show that was poor but not embarrassing, they'd accept that they couldn't win every single slot, move it somewhere harmless (e.g. opposite another network's strongest show), and not worry about it since most of the cost was sunk in production costs already.

Nowadays, new shows seem to have the same dynamics as movies: Open big or go home. While the economics of the movie industry give that a kind of logic, it makes no sense for TV shows.
 
2013-03-02 07:22:18 AM
im tired of these Dexter rip offs.
 
2013-03-02 07:29:06 AM
This is why you don't start new shows anymore until the first season is done and they're renewed for season 2. All series need to go the House of Cards route and be released at once.
 
2013-03-02 08:41:00 AM

movieman_1979: This actually makes me a little sad. As silly as the show is/was, I want good things for Anthony Edwards. The man's got decent prescence and I always felt he deserved good success after his turn on ER.


He's sort of the Hamill to Clooney's Ford.
 
2013-03-02 09:01:04 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: Jesus, TV execs are impatient and fickle these days. Seinfeld would have never lasted long if it premiered today. It took 3 seasons and a lot of faith from NBC before the show became a TV classic. Nowadays, it'd get cancelled after 2 episodes.


Ironically they actually *did* cancel Seinfeld after the airing of the pilot. Well not so much as cancel but passed on the show.

There was one exec who believed it had potential, though, and pulled every string he could to get 4 more episodes produced.He even cancelled a Bob Hope show to get some money to make the episodes; a very dangerous gamble that in most cases could have ended his career. Luckily the next 4 episodes just inched past the threshold NBC set for allowing a 2nd season, so they gave it a pickup (on thin ice) for a short season 2 of 12 episodes, when it finally picked up some steam.

Incidentally Cheers finished its first season at the bottom of the ratings too. Makes you think How many potential classics are cancelled way ahead of their time.

I think places like Netflix are going to be the future home of cult shows. These shows have a history of not being noticed until long after a network cancels them. On Netflix they can simply release the entire show (6-13 episode seasons like the Brits, no more of this 24-26 episode nonsense where most episodes are simply drivel and filler), expose it automatically to the appropriate demographics, and wait for it to gather steam. Then make another series a year or two after if it's become popular (another Brit concept, the 6-13 episode seasons would make acting schedules easier to manage, since a full 22-26 episode show pretty much requires most of the year).

The bonus is that you'll never have to worry about competing timeslots again, or preemptions canceling your show. Releasing an entire season at once (preferably with no cliffhangers) would also increase viewer trust. I was tempted to watch Zero Hour and Do No Harm this year but didn't for fear of being cancelled. I know many people who do the same. Why bother watching and getting attached to a new show if it's 80% likely of being cancelled mid season (as most new shows are)? Ironically the shows would have probably had more viewers if networks weren't so damn twitchy about cancelling new shows that perform badly.

/one can dream
 
2013-03-02 09:21:05 AM
Third week and 5 million viewers?  That's bad? Do they think that 200 million  peopleare just going to focus on their show?
 
2013-03-02 09:44:42 AM
MithrandirBooga:

Incidentally Cheers finished its first season at the bottom of the ratings too. Makes you think How many potential classics are cancelled way ahead of their time.

It is ridiculous. Someone needs to Fire those executives. I'd Fly down myself and do it if i could.
 
2013-03-02 09:56:14 AM

fusillade762: I don't think Lorre has any shows on ABC. Though I agree with you that they should just give the hell up on High Concept shows. It never seems to work for them well enough. Last Resort, V, Flash Forward, etc. Give up trying to re-create Lost, you morons. That particular lightning is simply NOT going to strike again.


Disney/ABC just needs to fast-track their live-action Star Wars show.  There's no reason they couldn't have that on in the Fall, or Spring at the latest.  Lucas already has a bunch of preliminary work done.  Just cast it and start up production.  They'd be guaranteed viewers.
 
2013-03-02 10:17:37 AM

Bith Set Me Up: 9 AM.


With that title I thought it would be on for a long long time... But then again in high as a kite.
 
2013-03-02 10:19:39 AM

MithrandirBooga: FuryOfFirestorm: Jesus, TV execs are impatient and fickle these days. Seinfeld would have never lasted long if it premiered today. It took 3 seasons and a lot of faith from NBC before the show became a TV classic. Nowadays, it'd get cancelled after 2 episodes.

Ironically they actually *did* cancel Seinfeld after the airing of the pilot. Well not so much as cancel but passed on the show.

There was one exec who believed it had potential, though, and pulled every string he could to get 4 more episodes produced.He even cancelled a Bob Hope show to get some money to make the episodes; a very dangerous gamble that in most cases could have ended his career. Luckily the next 4 episodes just inched past the threshold NBC set for allowing a 2nd season, so they gave it a pickup (on thin ice) for a short season 2 of 12 episodes, when it finally picked up some steam.

Incidentally Cheers finished its first season at the bottom of the ratings too. Makes you think How many potential classics are cancelled way ahead of their time.

I think places like Netflix are going to be the future home of cult shows. These shows have a history of not being noticed until long after a network cancels them. On Netflix they can simply release the entire show (6-13 episode seasons like the Brits, no more of this 24-26 episode nonsense where most episodes are simply drivel and filler), expose it automatically to the appropriate demographics, and wait for it to gather steam. Then make another series a year or two after if it's become popular (another Brit concept, the 6-13 episode seasons would make acting schedules easier to manage, since a full 22-26 episode show pretty much requires most of the year).

The bonus is that you'll never have to worry about competing timeslots again, or preemptions canceling your show. Releasing an entire season at once (preferably with no cliffhangers) would also increase viewer trust. I was tempted to watch Zero Hour and Do No Harm this year but didn't for fear of ...


In a way, it's a self perpetuating cycle: New show premieres, viewers are afraid to watch in fear of cancellation, show gets low ratings, then cancelled. Lather, rinse, repeat.
 
2013-03-02 10:44:06 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: Jesus, TV execs are impatient and fickle these days. Seinfeld would have never lasted long if it premiered today. It took 3 seasons and a lot of faith from NBC before the show became a TV classic. Nowadays, it'd get cancelled after 2 episodes.


Cheers was in the toilet the first year. These days, it wouldn't have made 3 episodes.

/calling "Red Widow" at 5 episodes
 
2013-03-02 10:46:39 AM

fusillade762: FuryOfFirestorm: If they screw over Happy Endings, i'm done with those motherf*ckers.

They're moving it to a Friday slot. Doesn't look good.


TBS, please pick up the White Courtesy Phone.
 
2013-03-02 11:10:38 AM

Trocadero: I think the networks should just embrace who they are and stick to singing shows, dancing shows, Chuck Lorre, and procedurals. That way, when the a la carte lawsuit comes through, I don't have to pay for them and save a ton of cash.


i'm pretty sure the broadcast networks are free. I pick them up for free on my antena in any case, so i can't imagine the cable company can charge much for them
 
2013-03-02 01:25:51 PM

tlchwi02: Trocadero: I think the networks should just embrace who they are and stick to singing shows, dancing shows, Chuck Lorre, and procedurals. That way, when the a la carte lawsuit comes through, I don't have to pay for them and save a ton of cash.

i'm pretty sure the broadcast networks are free. I pick them up for free on my antena in any case, so i can't imagine the cable company can charge much for them


http://www.thewrap.com/tv/column-post/cbs-quadruple-retransmission-f ee s-1b-2016-report-says-56136

CBS charges the cable company money to carry CBS (over the air) on the cable network. And those charges are only getting bigger.
 
2013-03-02 02:23:29 PM

weirdneighbour: Third week and 5 million viewers?  That's bad? Do they think that 200 million  peopleare just going to focus on their show?


The show pulled a 1.0 rating in its third week and a 1.1 the week before.  That's bad.  That's NBC bad.  That's "we can put a Grey's Anatomy rerun on and it will pull better numbers" bad.
 
2013-03-02 02:33:24 PM

czetie: jimw: I think it had promise but just was not given enough time to establish itself. Fringe would have flopped if they only gave it 3 episodes. So would have "The X Files."

It seems like the networks are really fast to pull the trigger these days. I don't remember it being like this even as recently as a decade ago. Back then, if the network had a show that was poor but not embarrassing, they'd accept that they couldn't win every single slot, move it somewhere harmless (e.g. opposite another network's strongest show), and not worry about it since most of the cost was sunk in production costs already.

Nowadays, new shows seem to have the same dynamics as movies: Open big or go home. While the economics of the movie industry give that a kind of logic, it makes no sense for TV shows.


I don't think the number of shows getting pulled after two or three episodes has really changed much.  I don't have the numbers on me (though I've run them before) but the number of series that get pulled from the schedule has stayed relatively stable over the last decade or so.  What we are seeing is shows go downhill faster than they used to, so that shows which, seven or eight years ago, would have aired 15 or 16 episodes before being pulled are now being canceled after 7 or 8 episodes instead.  Shows like Partners or 666 Park Avenue this year.  Or look at The Mob Doctor.  Everybody and their mother knew that show was getting canceled after its first episode aired, and yet Fox aired nine episodes (including during November sweeps) before finally burning it off at the end of the year.  And they actually aired all 13, like ABC did with Last Resort.  I don't think that would have happened ten years ago because, back then, networks usually kept a much larger stable of replacement shows than they do now.
 
2013-03-02 04:06:39 PM

rugman11: What we are seeing is shows go downhill faster than they used to, so that shows which, seven or eight years ago, would have aired 15 or 16 episodes before being pulled are now being canceled after 7 or 8 episodes instead.


Huh, interesting. Does that perhaps reflect the fact that people have so many more options than they used to have?

A quick glance at the "cancelled after one episode" page on Wikipedia suggests that number of rapid deaths was much higher in the 2000s, having picked up steam in the 1990s. And a second read of your post reminds me that you did say "stable over the past decade". So maybe the knee in the curve really was a little over a decade ago.
 
2013-03-02 04:58:46 PM

czetie: rugman11: What we are seeing is shows go downhill faster than they used to, so that shows which, seven or eight years ago, would have aired 15 or 16 episodes before being pulled are now being canceled after 7 or 8 episodes instead.

Huh, interesting. Does that perhaps reflect the fact that people have so many more options than they used to have?

A quick glance at the "cancelled after one episode" page on Wikipedia suggests that number of rapid deaths was much higher in the 2000s, having picked up steam in the 1990s. And a second read of your post reminds me that you did say "stable over the past decade". So maybe the knee in the curve really was a little over a decade ago.


The data I had looked only at scripted series that aired during the spring and summer (I was doing research on the effects of the Writers' Strike) and it looks like most of those canceled shows were reality or summer programs.  Plus, there's way more television on nowadays (because repeats aren't viable anymore) that there's just bound to be more canceled programs in general.  It's basically guaranteed that 1-4 shows will be canceled within four episodes every year.  After that, it's kind of a crapshoot.

It may seem like more shows are being canceled, and there are a higher percentage of new shows being canceled, but that's also due to the proliferation of reality and the decrease in sitcom hours.  In 2003, the big three networks aired 12 hours of reality each week during the fall, versus 25 hours this year.  They also had 18 hours of sitcoms versus 15 this year.  So it kind of works both ways.  The same number of shows get canceled, but out of a fewer number of new shows, so it seems like more.  It has especially been a problem because it's cheaper to make an hour of Shark Tank or Rock Center than an hour of any other show.
 
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