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2013-03-01 09:51:02 PM
They could rent them out to Magic: The Gathering players.
 
2013-03-01 10:49:59 PM
Texas Holdem isn't really poker. Two hole cards and the rest shared? It's glorified Blackjack.
 
2013-03-01 11:03:56 PM
Casino poker would probably have a resurgence if Americans could legally play cash games on the internet.  The U.S. government should just tax it and the online feeder system will provide enough renewed interest to start filling the poker rooms.
 
2013-03-01 11:13:41 PM

real_headhoncho: They could rent them out to Magic: The Gathering players.


They'd make a bundle on Mountain Dew and Cheetos.
 
2013-03-01 11:15:28 PM
It has gotten too hard to win money at Hold'Em. The marks lost interest years ago and the only people left have read all the books, watch all the TV shows and multi-table on PokerStars (through a proxy) every day. They all play the same way, with the same cards, and the money sloshes back and forth with no one really earning anything. The best players might hustle a %2.91 ROI long-term so unless you want to grind away 15 hours a day at it, there's no way to make any consistent income.

So I recommend Omaha which induces more action and not everyone knows how to play it well (especially high-low). Unfortunately, due to its complexity, it doesn't attract too many marks either.

At either rate, online gaming is the new marijuana/electric car.... something we should have had years ago but don't because of some mixed bag of politics, lobbying, moral righteousness, croney capitalist protection clauses and the risk of unsavory elements (including dirty money cartels).
 
2013-03-01 11:21:17 PM

Nefarious: Casino poker would probably have a resurgence if Americans could legally play cash games on the internet.  The U.S. government should just tax it and the online feeder system will provide enough renewed interest to start filling the poker rooms.


NEW JERSEY HAS YOU COVERED!

Seriously, they should have just kept online gambling legal.  It takes away most of the nefarious aspects of casinos, like local prostitution and mob gang wars, and instead just lets people ruin their lives in the comfort of their own home, like pornography.
 
2013-03-01 11:24:23 PM

Lsherm: nefarious aspects of casinos


I like those aspects
 
2013-03-01 11:26:12 PM

Nefarious: Casino poker would probably have a resurgence if Americans could legally play cash games on the internet.  The U.S. government should just tax it and the online feeder system will provide enough renewed interest to start filling the poker rooms.


New Jersey just signed their online poker laws, Nevada already has it almost ready to roll, DC as well.  Nevada will be working on the inter-state gaming deal next, which I'm sure that NJ will be right on top of as well.  So it's just a short matter of time before all the other states go "I want a piece!".

I've never been to the Tropicana, but I hear it's a really shiatty casino, and they probably had a really shiatty poker room, too.

I think that ESPN's coverage of the game was the best a few years ago, and they've been trying to continuously improve on it, but haven't really made it any better in a while, mostly just taking minor steps backwards.  High Stakes Poker really farked up when they ditched Gabe, and I don't know what happened to WPT.  Maybe people's appetites for watching the televised game burned out some.  Maybe we need to get some more bowling and spelling bees and darts up on ESPN 2 for a while to get people back to watching poker.  Even amongst the players I know, few look forward to watching the televised games anymore.

My girlfriend works in a small poker room in Ann Arbor, and business there has never been better than it is right now.
 
2013-03-01 11:34:23 PM
Well, you could have bet on that
 
2013-03-01 11:35:13 PM
Iowa is getting ready to jump on the online gambling bandwagon as well

now you can go broke on games in your underwear! yay!
 
2013-03-01 11:40:51 PM

Omahawg: Iowa is getting ready to jump on the online gambling bandwagon as well

now you can go broke on games in your underwear! yay!


Up to now I've had to pay extra for that
 
2013-03-01 11:57:20 PM

Ishkur: It has gotten too hard to win money at Hold'Em. The marks lost interest years ago and the only people left have read all the books, watch all the TV shows and multi-table on PokerStars (through a proxy) every day. They all play the same way, with the same cards, and the money sloshes back and forth with no one really earning anything. The best players might hustle a %2.91 ROI long-term so unless you want to grind away 15 hours a day at it, there's no way to make any consistent income.


This. Poker was an arbitrage play. After people figured out that it was a game of skill and not a game of chance. After online poker went away, the barrier to entry became high enough that any fish in the pool (those who hadn't been eaten) could no longer be bothered to jump the figurative fish ladder to get into a casino. With the departure (or overfeeding to extinction) of the fish, the market in poker is now relatively efficient. Amongst equally-skilled players (or with a large bankroll against poorly-funded fish), poker reverts to a game of chance with a minimal expected return.

Whoever came up with the idea of turning poker into a televised sport was the really brilliant one.

The transformation of poker into a cultural phenomenon brought a lot of people into the game. A few made fortunes, some made a decent living at it for a few years, and most had no business being there. As with the gold rush (where the money was made in selling picks and shovels to the miners), the real money in the poker industry was made in the form of the rake, and in the form of selling ad impressions, software, books, and other educational services to the newcomers to the game.
 
2013-03-02 12:30:01 AM

MrBallou: Texas Holdem isn't really poker. Two hole cards and the rest shared? It's glorified Blackjack.


Hold 'em:poker::gin rummy:bridge
 
2013-03-02 01:32:32 AM

MrBallou: Texas Holdem isn't really poker. Two hole cards and the rest shared? It's glorified Blackjack.


Frankly, I think flop games are way better than draw games.  Stud games are the best, though.

6 card Omaha is the best of the best, though.
 
2013-03-02 01:54:05 AM
and after it was so boring to begin with
 
2013-03-02 02:00:03 AM
Waiting patiently for the Go Fish! boom.
 
2013-03-02 02:10:12 AM

Lsherm: Nefarious: Casino poker would probably have a resurgence if Americans could legally play cash games on the internet.  The U.S. government should just tax it and the online feeder system will provide enough renewed interest to start filling the poker rooms.

NEW JERSEY HAS YOU COVERED!

Seriously, they should have just kept online gambling legal.  It takes away most of the nefarious aspects of casinos, like local prostitution and mob gang wars, and instead just lets people ruin their lives in the comfort of their own home, like pornography.


Nah..Porn doesn't ruin lives..just sweat socks..
 
2013-03-02 02:16:42 AM
Good.  Texas Hold 'em is more about luck than skill.  I've always preferred 5 and 7 card stud anyway.  Texas Redass is another fun game but only after the drinking has started and the contact high has taken hold

/don't smoke directly
//fark asthma
 
2013-03-02 02:29:16 AM
Poker has never been a high-profit game for casinos because players exchange money with one another, not the house. Rooms must employ a dealer for every table and can collect only a portion of what players put down, usually about 5 percent.

Not sure I understand the logic of paying a casino to let you play in their room. I mean, you need chips and a deck of cards. What does the casino offer, really?
 
2013-03-02 02:43:52 AM
I'm waiting patiently until the day comes where I can go to a local tournament and not have to face some a-hole wearing sunglasses, a cap, Ipod earbuds or whatever while playing.

The day the players will man up, I'll be back in the game.
 
2013-03-02 02:44:04 AM

fusillade762: Poker has never been a high-profit game for casinos because players exchange money with one another, not the house. Rooms must employ a dealer for every table and can collect only a portion of what players put down, usually about 5 percent.

Not sure I understand the logic of paying a casino to let you play in their room. I mean, you need chips and a deck of cards. What does the casino offer, really?


Sluts, hookers and hotel rooms?

/can find sluts on my own
 
2013-03-02 02:48:20 AM

fusillade762: Poker has never been a high-profit game for casinos because players exchange money with one another, not the house. Rooms must employ a dealer for every table and can collect only a portion of what players put down, usually about 5 percent.

Not sure I understand the logic of paying a casino to let you play in their room. I mean, you need chips and a deck of cards. What does the casino offer, really?


A dealer to enforce the rules who doesn't have any money in the game and beverages.
 
2013-03-02 02:57:20 AM
I'd like to hear more about this "oodles of poodles" slot machine TFA mentions...
 
2013-03-02 03:01:23 AM
fta In the end, the very thing that made poker so appealing - its air of tradition and class - may be its undoing,

Man, did I go to the wrong school. Because poker reminds me of Jägermeister, Swisher Sweets, and bad haircuts.
 
2013-03-02 03:10:49 AM

Notabunny: fta In the end, the very thing that made poker so appealing - its air of tradition and class - may be its undoing,

Man, did I go to the wrong school. Because poker reminds me of Jägermeister, Swisher Sweets, and bad haircuts.


reminds me of crazy loners who live with their mother in a trailer.
 
2013-03-02 03:26:45 AM
Once the interstate agreements are signed by the other states with Nevada, online poker in America will be as big as ever. The major gaming companies have been testing their systems for about a year now and will roll them out as soon as they can. Nevada already has online wagering instate and the online casinos will be live soon.

The article talks about how the tropicana closed it's poker room as a sign that poker is dying. This is stupid because the tropicana itself is a shiat hole. Nobody wants to go there because it is stale and service sucks. You can play at the bellagio or venetian and not have some cow with 8 kids argue with you about the fact that she can't comp another drink because you haven't been playing long enough. Mentioning Mississippi as a reason as well as the Indian casinos is also stupid because they are catering to old ladies that want to play penny machines and bingo. Adding poker just gives their husbands something to do but isn't feasible to give up a large chunk of casino floor for such a small Roi when you can pack more machines into the area. These places will never be as big as the big players on the strip and them trying to pull in a different croud seemed like a good idea but they will never have the draw Las Vegas Boulevard has for a larger and more diverse group of gamblers.
 
2013-03-02 03:45:44 AM
I'm just confused as to how this is "geek" news. Poker idiots surely rank even below furries, bronies and pokeys. Put on that bolo tie, that will enhance your card-peen.
 
2013-03-02 03:53:47 AM

Dancis_Frake: I'm waiting patiently until the day comes where I can go to a local tournament and not have to face some a-hole wearing sunglasses, a cap, Ipod earbuds or whatever while playing.

The day the players will man up, I'll be back in the game.


agreed.  closing yourself off from the rest of the world is not bluffing. New rule, no drawn goodies, no earphones and no sunglasses.

Learn how to control yourself.

Also no you don't need to shuffle your chips all night, twitchy!
 
2013-03-02 03:54:25 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Dancis_Frake: I'm waiting patiently until the day comes where I can go to a local tournament and not have to face some a-hole wearing sunglasses, a cap, Ipod earbuds or whatever while playing.

The day the players will man up, I'll be back in the game.

agreed.  closing yourself off from the rest of the world is not bluffing. New rule, no drawn goodies, no earphones and no sunglasses.

Learn how to control yourself.

Also no you don't need to shuffle your chips all night, twitchy!


er hoodies...
 
2013-03-02 04:13:20 AM
Oh Snap.
 
2013-03-02 04:18:40 AM
The article suggests poker went from $68million, to $160, to about $120million. Not sure casinos are actually hurting.
 
2013-03-02 04:20:20 AM
Representative of the unwashed masses:
Also no you don't need to shuffle your chips all night, twitchy!

This is why I hate Phil Ivey: you can't watch a game with him without hearing 'drrrrip, drrrrrrip, drrrrrip' in the background, even during shows where another player is trying to explain something.
 
2013-03-02 05:25:53 AM

Parkanzky: fusillade762: Poker has never been a high-profit game for casinos because players exchange money with one another, not the house. Rooms must employ a dealer for every table and can collect only a portion of what players put down, usually about 5 percent.

Not sure I understand the logic of paying a casino to let you play in their room. I mean, you need chips and a deck of cards. What does the casino offer, really?

A dealer to enforce the rules who doesn't have any money in the game and beverages.


And players. Most serious players know where to find a game in their home city, but not all. I like poker of all varieties. Don't have a problem with Hold 'Em as some of the snootier types do I prefer Omaha or Stud, usually, but in a social home game situation I think a hold 'em game moves faster, is less likely to be misdealt by the occasional drunk payer, and allows you to bring some fish into the game who--otherwise might not play. You can always have a more exclusive game for the more serious players.

An online site still has money of mine, thanks government. (Not a lot, but quadruple what I put into it.)
 
2013-03-02 05:38:09 AM

neongoats: I'm just confused as to how this is "geek" news. Poker idiots surely rank even below furries, bronies and pokeys. Put on that bolo tie, that will enhance your card-peen.


Pokeys?  That's a new one to me.  Are they fans of Gumby's sidekick or something?
 
2013-03-02 05:51:38 AM

Ishkur: It has gotten too hard to win money at Hold'Em. The marks lost interest years ago and the only people left have read all the books, watch all the TV shows and multi-table on PokerStars (through a proxy) every day. They all play the same way, with the same cards, and the money sloshes back and forth with no one really earning anything. The best players might hustle a %2.91 ROI long-term so unless you want to grind away 15 hours a day at it, there's no way to make any consistent income.

So I recommend Omaha which induces more action and not everyone knows how to play it well (especially high-low). Unfortunately, due to its complexity, it doesn't attract too many marks either.

At either rate, online gaming is the new marijuana/electric car.... something we should have had years ago but don't because of some mixed bag of politics, lobbying, moral righteousness, croney capitalist protection clauses and the risk of unsavory elements (including dirty money cartels).


Good observations. I agree.
 
2013-03-02 06:37:26 AM

fusillade762: Poker has never been a high-profit game for casinos because players exchange money with one another, not the house. Rooms must employ a dealer for every table and can collect only a portion of what players put down, usually about 5 percent.

Not sure I understand the logic of paying a casino to let you play in their room. I mean, you need chips and a deck of cards. What does the casino offer, really?


heck, what good is a gambler without a casino to take the money out of their pockets. people are fully aware the odds are terribly against them winning and that is no deterrent. it blows my mind.
 
2013-03-02 07:13:04 AM
don't bet on it.
 
2013-03-02 07:24:53 AM
The best background noise or Insomnia TV is televised poker.  I really do enjoy watching it.
 
2013-03-02 07:37:07 AM
It could also be that a lot more states are getting in on that sweet, sweet casino money. People aren't having to travel as far to gamble, so they don't. Poker's popularity is why you see the biggest drop there instead of elsewhere.

/waiting on Maryland casinos
//the good Delaware casinos are too far of a drive
///Trip slashies beats a pair.
 
2013-03-02 07:44:40 AM
Dancis_Frake,
I'm waiting patiently until the day comes where I can go to a local tournament and not have to face some a-hole wearing sunglasses, a cap, Ipod earbuds or whatever while playing.
The day the players will man up, I'll be back in the game.


Always thought that was cowardice, might as well be playing against the unibomber.

I am suprised nobody ever wore a wresting mask, a baklava or a hockey mask.
 
2013-03-02 07:48:45 AM
Good times.  Back in they day I quit my job and played poker.  Now I have a real job.  I was never that good, but good enough to not have a job.
 
2013-03-02 07:51:25 AM
Here's what I don't get:

Casinos lobbied congress to shut down internet poker in the US because they saw it as competition. Now that internet poker has been shut down in the US for the most part, fewer people are going to casinos for poker. It seems like they really shot themselves in the foot there.

Speaking from personal experience, I was never interested in casino gambling until I started playing online poker. I've been to a few casinos to play poker, and while I was there I threw a couple bucks into slot machines just for fun. The casinos made money off of me because of online poker. Now that I cannot play online poker, my interest in the game has faded, and so has my interest in going to any casino at all.

Nice job breaking it.
 
2013-03-02 07:58:24 AM

jack21221: Here's what I don't get:

Casinos lobbied congress to shut down internet poker in the US because they saw it as competition. Now that internet poker has been shut down in the US for the most part, fewer people are going to casinos for poker. It seems like they really shot themselves in the foot there.

Speaking from personal experience, I was never interested in casino gambling until I started playing online poker. I've been to a few casinos to play poker, and while I was there I threw a couple bucks into slot machines just for fun. The casinos made money off of me because of online poker. Now that I cannot play online poker, my interest in the game has faded, and so has my interest in going to any casino at all.

Nice job breaking it.


Compulsive gamblers are the main source of income for casinos. Compulsive gamblers will sit there and shell money into a "Who's the Boss?" slot machine for hours because they are compulsive.  Recreational gamblers (like you), are nice to have, but aren't the priority.
 
2013-03-02 08:04:34 AM
Well, it's back to Day Trading for me....
 
2013-03-02 08:11:05 AM

LiquidTester: jack21221: Here's what I don't get:

Casinos lobbied congress to shut down internet poker in the US because they saw it as competition. Now that internet poker has been shut down in the US for the most part, fewer people are going to casinos for poker. It seems like they really shot themselves in the foot there.

Speaking from personal experience, I was never interested in casino gambling until I started playing online poker. I've been to a few casinos to play poker, and while I was there I threw a couple bucks into slot machines just for fun. The casinos made money off of me because of online poker. Now that I cannot play online poker, my interest in the game has faded, and so has my interest in going to any casino at all.

Nice job breaking it.

Compulsive gamblers are the main source of income for casinos. Compulsive gamblers will sit there and shell money into a "Who's the Boss?" slot machine for hours because they are compulsive.  Recreational gamblers (like you), are nice to have, but aren't the priority.


Yes, but I don't think that online poker was taking away any compulsive gamblers; only adding recreational ones.
 
2013-03-02 08:25:28 AM

ekdikeo4: I've never been to the Tropicana, but I hear it's a really shiatty casino, and they probably had a really shiatty poker room, too


It was, but they've dumped millions upon millions of dollars into the place and it's actually pretty nice now.
 
2013-03-02 08:51:55 AM
Meh, speak for yourself.  I don't play as much as I used to, but that's because I don't wander into casinos as much as I used to.  If I go into a casino, there are two games I play:

Blackjack (only if there isn't any Texas Hold 'Em)
Texas Hold 'Em

There's only a few games you SHOULD be playing at a casino, since they have a 51/49 split between the dealer and yourself.  With Poker, you're playing against other players, so you can actually make money.

People who walk in to play One Arm Bandits might as well light their cash on fire.  Even Roulette is boring as hell, since it's purely a game of coin-flipping chance.
 
2013-03-02 08:57:25 AM
Good. A couple of years ago a bunch of people I'd known for years were all of a sudden claiming to have been playing poker their whole lives, smugly saying things like "Look around the table. If you can't tell who the fish is, it's you" as if they were wizened, hardened cardsharps from way back, instead of dipsh#t mortgage brokers who watched a lot of people playing cards on cable.

F#ck poker, and f#ck most of the people who claim to play it.
 
2013-03-02 09:42:58 AM

yelmrog: Waiting patiently for the Go Fish! boom.


Well, you can already play War! at Casinos, so why not.
 
2013-03-02 09:44:55 AM

Gunderson: Well, you can already play War! at Casinos, so why not.


The 1st time I saw that game (at the Wynn no less) I laughed so hard I thought they were going to throw me out.
 
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