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2013-03-02 03:24:02 AM

crabsno termites: BronyMedic:


BTW, you're generally labelled as somewhat of a troll, but I just think you're half crazy.

/As I always say, "We're all half crazy, it's just a different half for each of us."

//Chers, my friend.
 
2013-03-02 03:26:38 AM

crabsno termites: Who cares how? We won.

/It's gullible, with an "i"


The why and how are much more interesting than the who, personally.
 
2013-03-02 03:29:43 AM

crabsno termites: BTW, you're generally labelled as somewhat of a troll, but I just think you're half crazy.


I just laugh at them, especially when I've been here longer than any of them that generally accuse me of that.

At any rate, you're a bad enough dude to rescue the president and all. I'd buy you a beer sometime.
 
2013-03-02 03:31:30 AM

BronyMedic: crabsno termites: Who cares how? We won.

/It's gullible, with an "i"

The why and how are much more interesting than the who, personally.


Yes, have studied in depth, but the pragmatist in me says who cares.  Does the end justify the means?  Sometimes.  Who decides?  Me.  On what basis?  Experience and belief in my own morality.

/fark the rest of you.
//Lawn  . . .
 
2013-03-02 03:56:37 AM

crabsno termites: /It's gullible, with an "i"


gullable is a perfectly acceptable alternative spelling.

If you don't believe me, look it up in the dictionary.
 
2013-03-02 04:06:49 AM

Happy Hours: If you don't believe me, look it up in the dictionary.


Don't believe you; ain't gonna look it up.  Third gin & tonic.  Will, however, believe that you are honourable and accept your total illiteracy.

/British spelling intentional.
 
2013-03-02 04:17:09 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Lt. Cheese Weasel: HindiDiscoMonster: ISO15693: lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.

something something gun control something...

This would not have happened if everyone had concealed Hitlers to defend themselves.

thanks... i couldn't think of anything good at the time...

/sick as a dog
//got a fever of a hundred and three


.\\ Come on, Baby, do you do more than dance?
 
2013-03-02 05:53:19 AM
Stalin and Chairman Mao both scoff at Hitlers low body count
 
2013-03-02 05:55:33 AM

notmtwain: You Hitler defenders must admit that Stalin and communism killed Nazi Germany, so at least they have that going for them.


Joe and Karl killed Nazi Germany?
 
2013-03-02 05:59:21 AM

digitalrain: Atomic Spunk: [img.dailymail.co.uk image 468x551]
snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome when he was young:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]

Young Stalin was a hipster? Who knew???


oi47.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-02 06:02:10 AM

Jarhead_h: [googlingtheholocaust.files.wordpress.com image 800x677]



Interestingly, Stanley Kubrick was said to have based his HAL computer in the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" on IBM as a subtle jab against it for its role in the Holocaust. (Kubrick denied the connection, but when you see the letters "IBM" written on much of the spaceship equipment, you know he was probably lying.)

Here's a site with more info:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/01/07/hal_9000_ibm_theory_s ta nley_kubrick_letters_shed_new_light_on_old_debate.html
 
2013-03-02 07:12:34 AM

mekki: Honest to God, Subby, I was expecting an article about cannibalism. Because knowing all the stuff the Nazis did, cannibalism would the only thing that could make it worse.

doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.

Canada also had them for the same reason. I recently learned this. How they've been able to keep this under wraps compared to America, I have no idea.


What I found interesting about Canada's 'concentration' camps(I Really don't think that name applies, since people weren't forced to work, abd the conditions weren't in the same league) is that they also tossed Jewish refugees in with the Japanese, Italians and Germans.
 
2013-03-02 07:24:02 AM

sxacho: Lately I've taken to asking my wife (a bit of a historian), usually casually, but fairly often as of late, when did the smart people begin leaving Germany before WWII?

Because a bunch of people left because shiat had gotten BAD. I'm starting to feel that shiat is getting BAD here in the US. But she won't even get her passport.

/engineering jobs with 100k signing bonus and 100k/yr in Sydney


You aren't one of the smart people.
 
2013-03-02 07:28:48 AM

liam76: You aren't one of the smart people.


Aren't these the same people who, when Bush was in office, were spouting about "LOVE AMERICA OR LEAVE IT"?
 
2013-03-02 07:40:50 AM

chrylis: notmtwain: LawrencePerson: Hitler and National Socialism was evil, MMmmmmmkay?

But communism killed 100,000,000 people. Hitler never even got close to that record.


I'm not familiar with that number. Did you just make it up?

The Great Leap Forward killed somewhere between 18 and 32 million from starvation, Stalin intentionally starved 2-7 million in the Ukraine, and we're up to 30+ million from starvation in those two incidents alone.


I think Hitler is and should be get more headlines on the topic of genocide because of how it was more "insdustrial" and direct.

Starving people could be partially blamed on incompetence and the thought that "peasants" always held back food.
 
2013-03-02 07:55:40 AM
Stalin did it so non nonchalantly, it's almost cute.
 
2013-03-02 09:36:58 AM

enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.


A 19 digit number, and yet no 9?  Nein 9?
 
2013-03-02 09:41:21 AM
A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.
 
2013-03-02 09:45:30 AM

SurelyShirley: A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.


That's a fantastic movie.

"Well then, this is the moment to be... practical, until such time as Germany can afford your philosophy, which is what? Hound them, impoverish them, exploit them, imprison them, just do not kill them. And you are God's noblest of men. I find that, uh, truly remarkable. "
 
2013-03-02 10:03:45 AM

SurelyShirley: A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.


I blame that movie for sparking my love of World War II history. I watched it my Sophomore year of high school when it was first released on HBO, and I was shocked - horrified - at how cold and calculating the manner of exterminating millions of people was treated.
 
2013-03-02 10:16:04 AM

BigLuca: It's not "The Holocaust" it's "The Holocaust Theory."


A theory has to have been proven at least once. Otherwise it is a hypothesis.
 
2013-03-02 11:03:22 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: HindiDiscoMonster: ISO15693: lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.

something something gun control something...

This would not have happened if everyone had concealed Hitlers to defend themselves.


There's a fuhrer in my pants and he's happy to see you.
 
2013-03-02 11:06:00 AM
So if Hitler won the war.........
 
2013-03-02 12:09:06 PM

Deep Contact: So if Hitler won the war.........


Sie Stalin Verteidiger muss zugeben, dass Hitler und nacism Sowjetunion getötet, so zumindest haben sie, dass sich für sie.
 
2013-03-02 12:50:50 PM

LewDux: Deep Contact: So if Hitler won the war.........

Sie Stalin Verteidiger muss zugeben, dass Hitler und nacism Sowjetunion getötet, so zumindest haben sie, dass sich für sie.


Of course, they only did it because we enabled it.
 
2013-03-02 01:51:32 PM
"just about any nasty event can be linked to a Jew in one way or another."

-- vygramul - 2013-03-02 08:37:21 AM

Wow dude.. just... WOW.

/Farking context
//How does it work?
///Or does it?
 
2013-03-02 01:56:51 PM

doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.


So did Canada and a number of our other allies.

It was all the rage at the time.

No soup for you.
 
2013-03-02 03:19:22 PM

St. Snuff: As for the American concentration/detainment/internment camps, while horrible in their own right, the systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.


Wouldn't the genocides in Rwanda, Bosnia, or Darfur be comparable?
 
2013-03-02 03:25:02 PM

Galileo's Daughter: St. Snuff: As for the American concentration/detainment/internment camps, while horrible in their own right, the systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.

Wouldn't the genocides in Rwanda, Bosnia, or Darfur be comparable?


The genocide of Hitler is probably the most horrifying.  The organized, disciplined approach to it, the emotional detachment, it's scary.  At some level, all genocides are pretty horrible, whether it's the Turkish genocide of Armenians, or Stalin's genocide of Ukrainians, or German genocide of the Nama or Herero.  They're all horrible, but none have the absolute methodical purposefulness of the Holocaust.  Pol Pot comes close, but still the intent wasn't quite the same.
 
2013-03-02 03:30:17 PM

hardinparamedic: SurelyShirley: A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.

I blame that movie for sparking my love of World War II history. I watched it my Sophomore year of high school when it was first released on HBO, and I was shocked - horrified - at how cold and calculating the manner of exterminating millions of people was treated.


Also of interest because it's one of the few movies I've ever seen where Kenneth Branagh puts his considerable charm to use playing a bad guy.
 
2013-03-02 03:35:19 PM

Sairobi: hardinparamedic: SurelyShirley: A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.

I blame that movie for sparking my love of World War II history. I watched it my Sophomore year of high school when it was first released on HBO, and I was shocked - horrified - at how cold and calculating the manner of exterminating millions of people was treated.

Also of interest because it's one of the few movies I've ever seen where Kenneth Branagh puts his considerable charm to use playing a bad guy.


Stanley Tucci was pretty frightening as well.  Ian McNiece was good as Klopfer.  And I liked the guy who played Major Lange.

I do suffer some moral outrage at how some of these guys effectively got away with it, like Klopfer and General Hofmann of the Race and Resettlement Office.
 
2013-03-02 03:54:28 PM

vygramul: I do suffer some moral outrage at how some of these guys effectively got away with it, like Klopfer and General Hofmann of the Race and Resettlement Office.


Well, you can take solace in the fact that many others of them died. Not very well, if you read the transcripts of the Nuremburg Executions. Almost all of them were botched, slow strangulation hangings.
 
2013-03-02 03:55:31 PM

Jarhead_h: [googlingtheholocaust.files.wordpress.com image 800x677]


There used to be an IBM card machine at the front of the US Holocaust Museum. I can't imagine why it was removed...
 
2013-03-02 05:30:50 PM

zerkalo: SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)

[www.ushmm.org image 640x420]

And yet it still won't be enough for the likes of you. To understand that tens of millions were erased from central Europe. Jews, poles, Ukrainians, Soviet POWs, gypsies, the infirm.


My grandma spent WWII in a labor camp (Pole).  This is not ITG bragging; if I meet anyone who tells me that that camp didn't exist, in real life, I will punch them in the face.
 
2013-03-02 05:37:19 PM

Amos Quito: "just about any nasty event can be linked to a Jew in one way or another."

-- vygramul - 2013-03-02 08:37:21 AM

Wow dude.. just... WOW.

/Farking context
//How does it work?
///Or does it?


Yes, we know you took that out of context, yet every bit if trivia, knowledge, or pictures you post are all in the context of 'Jews r bad'.
 
2013-03-02 05:41:34 PM

vygramul: SurelyShirley: A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.

That's a fantastic movie.

"Well then, this is the moment to be... practical, until such time as Germany can afford your philosophy, which is what? Hound them, impoverish them, exploit them, imprison them, just do not kill them. And you are God's noblest of men. I find that, uh, truly remarkable. "


There is a paper I can't recall the name of that is used as an example in some technical writing classes. You can read it, get the basics if tge items operation, know the item works, yet have no idea it was a paper about a vehicle designed to kill Jews and unwanted that were 'traveling' in the back.
 
2013-03-02 05:55:13 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: zerkalo: SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)

[www.ushmm.org image 640x420]

And yet it still won't be enough for the likes of you. To understand that tens of millions were erased from central Europe. Jews, poles, Ukrainians, Soviet POWs, gypsies, the infirm.

My grandma spent WWII in a labor camp (Pole).  This is not ITG bragging; if I meet anyone who tells me that that camp didn't exist, in real life, I will punch them in the face.


Oh, don't get me wrong. I know they existed and I've been to some. I've studied plenty about it in school, saw countless documentaries, but seeing a concentration camp in person, is far beyond anything I've experienced.
My issue with the statement, they "they were everywhere"  along with "the findings left no doubt in his mind that many German citizens, despite the frequent claims of ignorance after the war, must have known about the widespread existence of the Nazi camps at the time." is, that I'm pretty certain it's not true.
If you count every police station or outpost as a camp, maybe. The map in the NYT article shows numerous gray dots without names or towns or further information. I've spent more than two decades living in a few countries in Europe and I think I know the place and its people fairly well. My family (parents, grandparents etc), just like everyone else's over there, has been directly affected by WWII in various ways.
I simply do not believe those statements made in the article and unless they can show proof and name names, I'll keep it in the propaganda file.
 
2013-03-02 05:58:14 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: zerkalo: SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)

[www.ushmm.org image 640x420]

And yet it still won't be enough for the likes of you. To understand that tens of millions were erased from central Europe. Jews, poles, Ukrainians, Soviet POWs, gypsies, the infirm.

My grandma spent WWII in a labor camp (Pole).  This is not ITG bragging; if I meet anyone who tells me that that camp didn't exist, in real life, I will punch them in the face.



Which camp?
 
2013-03-02 06:01:11 PM

SurelyShirley: StreetlightInTheGhetto: zerkalo: SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)

[www.ushmm.org image 640x420]

And yet it still won't be enough for the likes of you. To understand that tens of millions were erased from central Europe. Jews, poles, Ukrainians, Soviet POWs, gypsies, the infirm.

My grandma spent WWII in a labor camp (Pole).  This is not ITG bragging; if I meet anyone who tells me that that camp didn't exist, in real life, I will punch them in the face.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I know they existed and I've been to some. I've studied plenty about it in school, saw countless documentaries, but seeing a concentration camp in person, is far beyond anything I've experienced.
My issue with the statement, they "they were everywhere"  along with "the findings left no doubt in his mind that many German citizens, despite the frequent claims of ignorance after the war, must have known about the widespread existence of the Nazi camps at the time." is, that I'm pretty certain it's not true.
If you count every police station or outpost as a camp, maybe. The map in the NYT article shows numerous gray dots without names or towns or further information. I've spent more than two decades living in a few countries in Europe and I think I know the place and its people fairly well. My family (parents, grandparents etc), just like everyone else's over there, has been directly affected by WWII in various ways.
I simply do not believe those statements made in the article and unl ...


I asked my grandmother, who had fled Lithuania with my grandfather and aunt (and pregnant with my father) when the Soviets came in '40, when she first heard of the camps.  She said that it didn't take long for some of her friends' husbands to start talking about them but that no one believed them.  Germans may not have had direct knowledge of them, but they had probably heard rumors.
 
2013-03-02 06:11:14 PM

vygramul: I asked my grandmother, who had fled Lithuania with my grandfather and aunt (and pregnant with my father) when the Soviets came in '40, when she first heard of the camps



They fled Lithuania? To where did they flee?

And why would they flee the Soviets? I thought they were our allies - you know, "the good guys"?
 
2013-03-02 06:56:47 PM

BronyMedic: Jarhead_h: [googlingtheholocaust.files.wordpress.com image 800x677]

I'm thinking it's a huge stretch to say that without IBM the holocaust could have never happened. Germany produced some very advanced early digital computer and analogue computing devices during the course of World War II well enough on their own.

The Germans were also world leaders in cryptography. ULTRA, ENIGMA, and the like.


And yet we farked them up by simply speaking a language no Germans spoke.
 
2013-03-02 07:54:56 PM

enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.


damn that liberal media....wait, liberal isnt quite right....

BronyMedic: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

Hitler gets press for the way he did it. Yeah, Stalin and Mao were bad people, and they starved MILLIONS through their five year plans and "reforms", shot a bunch of people, and sent others to work camps, but they didn't have the industrialized and cold mechanism of death that the Nazis invented for the systematic extermination of groups of people who were deemed "undesirables", and the sheer monstrosity of the pseudo-scientific "human experiments" that their doctors performed at the camps.


Yeah....thats why.
 
2013-03-02 08:43:31 PM

namegoeshere: And yet we farked them up by simply speaking a language no Germans spoke.


You mean the codetalkers? That's a truly messed up situation right there. US needs to beat the germans because the germans are exterminating an entire race of people so who do we get to help? Indians, who's entire race was virtually exterminated by the US. The Aristocrats!
 
2013-03-02 11:44:37 PM

James F. Campbell: sxacho: James F. Campbell: Why, pray tell?

Short story of the latest, my wife is a big facebooker. She has her friends and all that, but so one of her friends posts that bullshiat "Bill Cosby" rant about Muslims and the poor ruining America thing. So my wife responds (I'm so farking proud, I taught her to do this) "this shait ain't true, here's a link". The post was pulled in a manner of minutes and this other girl didn't speak to my wife for a week... or maybe longer, I don't know if they're talking. Everytime I've done that I've actually never been welcome to speak by the other person again.

Ah. I thought you were going to blame Obama.


THAT would be.... unpatriotic.
 
2013-03-03 12:06:48 AM

Badgers: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Badgers:  And don't forget the Bush family, who helped kickstart the second world war...

And of course by "kickstart the second world war" you mean "made a comparatively minuscule financial contribution to the Nazi coffers". In any case, if contemporary American politicians are to be judged by the real or alleged sins of their fathers, wasn't the current president's father a drunken polygamist?

I shouldn't really be replying to your obvious troll account, but you're deluding yourself when you think it was "miniscule". Also, Obama didn't ride his grandfather's coattails to the presidency.


So.... you disagree with him which means he's a troll. Got it. Nice, easy way of "winning" a debate.
 
2013-03-03 12:58:59 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So.... you disagree with him which means he's a troll. Got it. Nice, easy way of "winning" a debate.


He states in his profile he's a concern troll.

If you don't want to be called a troll, don't claim to be one.
 
2013-03-03 01:11:46 PM

hardinparamedic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So.... you disagree with him which means he's a troll. Got it. Nice, easy way of "winning" a debate.

He states in his profile he's a concern troll.

If you don't want to be called a troll, don't claim to be one.


He does? Really?

"Bio:"Religion may have been the opiate of the masses at one time but nowadays, politics is -- especially the kind of leftish politics where you get to moralize, exult in your presumed self- righteousness and to condemn people who disagree with you as heretics; in other words, to behave just like a Christian but without having to worry that God is watching you be an asshole." -- meMy UsernamePlease note, my username is meant to be ironic, i.e. taking the piss out of the moronic left-wingers who lacking any semblance of rational argument can only offer the same old tired insults. If you reply to my posts -- in your emasculated kazoo voice, and with your hipster pigeon chest huffing in righteous indignation -- by saying something like "I see your username is well chosen", then you've missed the point and, more importantly, you've clowned yourself, you brainless PC drone."
Where?

As you point out in your own profile: "Because someone calls you out and dissects your argument on - well, whatever - in a way that is factually accurate, and forces you to backpedal or further explain your belief in something, that does not make them a troll. That's actually what adults call debate. You precious little flower you."

Seems to me that he's simply being heavily sarcastic, and doing exactly what I have bolded above.
 
2013-03-03 05:41:22 PM

Jarhead_h: [googlingtheholocaust.files.wordpress.com image 800x677]


Black wrote another outstanding book called 'War Against the Weak'. It illustrates how the American eugenics model inspired the Third Reich.
 
2013-03-03 07:52:16 PM

Frederick: enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.

damn that liberal media....wait, liberal isnt quite right....

BronyMedic: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

Hitler gets press for the way he did it. Yeah, Stalin and Mao were bad people, and they starved MILLIONS through their five year plans and "reforms", shot a bunch of people, and sent others to work camps, but they didn't have the industrialized and cold mechanism of death that the Nazis invented for the systematic extermination of groups of people who were deemed "undesirables", and the sheer monstrosity of the pseudo-scientific "human experiments" that their doctors performed at the camps.

Yeah....thats why.


Why don't you fill us in on why?

Or do you just want people to ask questions, like you do with the holocaust.
 
2013-03-03 08:24:56 PM

liam76: Frederick: enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.

damn that liberal media....wait, liberal isnt quite right....

BronyMedic: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

Hitler gets press for the way he did it. Yeah, Stalin and Mao were bad people, and they starved MILLIONS through their five year plans and "reforms", shot a bunch of people, and sent others to work camps, but they didn't have the industrialized and cold mechanism of death that the Nazis invented for the systematic extermination of groups of people who were deemed "undesirables", and the sheer monstrosity of the pseudo-scientific "human experiments" that their doctors performed at the camps.

Yeah....thats why.

Why don't you fill us in on why?

Or do you just want people to ask questions, like you do with the holocaust.


I think it's a good idea to ask questions of history.  Why do you wish to avoid it?
 
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