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2013-03-01 07:25:48 PM
"You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

And yet, 0bama's Amerika is far, far worse. People back then didn't know how good they had it.
 
2013-03-01 07:44:06 PM
I was just at an O'concentration camp. We were packed in like sardines! It was called the Wal-Mart Ghetto
 
2013-03-01 07:55:46 PM
America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.
 
2013-03-01 07:59:44 PM

doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.


This indeed. We may have not executed or starved them to death, but we were supposed to be better than that.

I have always wondered how the original 5-6 million number was the result. To me that number felt a little low; I could have sworn it would have been 10 million because of the population size of Europe. Now they believe that 15-20 million were killed. Wow.
 
2013-03-01 08:04:41 PM

St_Francis_P: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

And yet, 0bama's Amerika is far, far worse. People back then didn't know how good they had it.


(psst!  Spell it "Amerikkka"!)
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-01 08:15:55 PM
There's a bit of publication bias in this field. It ranges from bad career move to criminal offense to say that the Nazis were not as bad as they are supposed to have been. I blame the ***NO CARRIER***
 
2013-03-01 08:53:36 PM

cman: doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.

This indeed. We may have not executed or starved them to death, but we were supposed to be better than that.

I have always wondered how the original 5-6 million number was the result. To me that number felt a little low; I could have sworn it would have been 10 million because of the population size of Europe. Now they believe that 15-20 million were killed. Wow.


I had always heard 6 million Jews, 6 million others with worse publicity.
 
2013-03-01 08:54:40 PM
www.supermotors.net

But he was fabulous off broadway
 
2013-03-01 08:55:08 PM
there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.
 
2013-03-01 08:55:34 PM

cman: This indeed. We may have not executed or starved them to death, but we were supposed to be better than that.

I have always wondered how the original 5-6 million number was the result. To me that number felt a little low; I could have sworn it would have been 10 million because of the population size of Europe. Now they believe that 15-20 million were killed. Wow.


Yeah, so much of our history is covered with roses, but the sad truth is that America has done some pretty heinous things.  They may pale in comparison with the injustices done by other nations, but we're by no means innocent.
 
2013-03-01 08:59:23 PM
Bad timing. Should have published this before the Italian elections.

/are the Poles voting anytime soon?
 
2013-03-01 08:59:41 PM
It's not "The Holocaust" it's "The Holocaust Theory."
 
2013-03-01 08:59:52 PM
So Hitler was just Godwinned.

Time to close up the internet. It was a good time.
 
2013-03-01 08:59:55 PM

doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.


Are you comparing Dachau to Manzanar?

Really?
 
2013-03-01 09:00:37 PM
Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.
 
2013-03-01 09:01:11 PM
It sounds like they counted not only concentration camps, but also any location where a Nazi uttered the word "Jew".
 
2013-03-01 09:01:24 PM

lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.


Simple, yet hilarious.
 
2013-03-01 09:02:03 PM
What's Israel up to now?  I see they have their "WWII Holocaust" stories in the media again.
 
2013-03-01 09:02:43 PM

BigLuca: It's not "The Holocaust" it's "The Holocaust Theory."


-looks at the above statement-
-dons asbestos safety gear-
-pops popcorn-
 
m00
2013-03-01 09:02:54 PM

BigLuca: It's not "The Holocaust" it's "The Holocaust Theory."


Teach the controversy.
 
2013-03-01 09:03:06 PM
Hilter's plan to preemptively deny the world of Fark.com by eliminating all the Drews took a decidedly different turn due to an unfortunate (or perhaps fortunate) misunderstanding.
 
2013-03-01 09:05:14 PM
img.dailymail.co.uk
snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome when he was young:
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-01 09:05:28 PM
mimg.ugo.com
 
2013-03-01 09:06:29 PM

St_Francis_P: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

And yet, 0bama's Amerika is far, far worse. People back then didn't know how good they had it.


Ok.  Ok.  You win.  I'll admit it.  Hitler is worse than Obama.
 
2013-03-01 09:07:22 PM

meyerkev: cman: doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.

This indeed. We may have not executed or starved them to death, but we were supposed to be better than that.

I have always wondered how the original 5-6 million number was the result. To me that number felt a little low; I could have sworn it would have been 10 million because of the population size of Europe. Now they believe that 15-20 million were killed. Wow.

I had always heard 6 million Jews, 6 million others with worse publicity.


Roughly 6.5 million Jews is the accepted number of those that were murdered by the Nazi regime. The higher number of 15-20 million inclusive of the other innocents that were killed at the hands and orders of the Nazis, including Gypsies, dissidents, etc...At the outset of the Holocaust, there was only about 15 million Jews in the world. Only until this last decade has the Jewish population recovered to pre-Holocaust numbers.

As for the American concentration/detainment/internment camps, while horrible in their own right, the systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.
 
2013-03-01 09:07:34 PM

This makes Titler angry.

i229.photobucket.com

 
2013-03-01 09:07:42 PM
I guess they did nazi that coming.
 
2013-03-01 09:07:47 PM

m00: BigLuca: It's not "The Holocaust" it's "The Holocaust Theory."

Teach the controversy.


Holocaust denial is so vile, so scummy, and holocaust deniers are such horrid pieces of human shiat, that it's one of the few things I just cannot joke about.
 
2013-03-01 09:10:33 PM

MrHappyRotter: Hilter's plan to preemptively deny the world of Fark.com by eliminating all the Drews took a decidedly different turn due to an unfortunate (or perhaps fortunate) misunderstanding.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
/Funny.... they didn't look Drewish.
 
2013-03-01 09:10:42 PM

KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.


Am I the only one who read that in Jan Brady's voice?
 
2013-03-01 09:10:49 PM

jake_lex: Holocaust denial is so vile, so scummy, and holocaust deniers are such horrid pieces of human shiat, that it's one of the few things I just cannot joke about.


Skarka's Law: There is NOTHING so vile, nothing so indefensible, and nothing so WELL documented an atrocity that someone will not speak in defense of, in denial of, or positively of on the internet.
 
2013-03-01 09:10:53 PM
NYT loses its own argument.
 
2013-03-01 09:12:04 PM

jake_lex: m00: BigLuca: It's not "The Holocaust" it's "The Holocaust Theory."

Teach the controversy.

Holocaust denial is so vile, so scummy, and holocaust deniers are such horrid pieces of human shiat, that it's one of the few things I just cannot joke about.


It's my defense mechanism.  Sometimes you have to bow to the absurd.
 
2013-03-01 09:12:48 PM

Atomic Spunk: [img.dailymail.co.uk image 468x551]
snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome when he was young:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]


24.media.tumblr.com

Young Stalin was a hipster? Who knew???
 
2013-03-01 09:13:03 PM

Atomic Spunk: [img.dailymail.co.uk image 468x551]
snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome when he was young:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]


This is really one of his most evil pictures:

www.bitlogic.com

He had her parents killed, but it didn't stop him from posing with her for propaganda.
 
2013-03-01 09:13:12 PM

St_Francis_P: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

And yet, 0bama's Amerika is far, far worse. People back then didn't know how good they had it.


Why the other day, I opened my refrigerator and there was a concentration camp in the veggie drawer! It's gotten to the point that I have to drive carefully for fear of running over one.
 
2013-03-01 09:13:21 PM

lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.


Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.
 
2013-03-01 09:13:59 PM
Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.
 
2013-03-01 09:14:13 PM

ISO15693: lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.


Yeah, but he also killed THAT guy.
 
2013-03-01 09:14:23 PM

ISO15693: lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.


something something gun control something...
 
2013-03-01 09:14:32 PM

Atomic Spunk: [img.dailymail.co.uk image 468x551]
snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome Ted Logan when he was young:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]

 
2013-03-01 09:14:38 PM

Atomic Spunk: snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome when he was young:


I'll agree with you on that last point. Wowsers!
 
2013-03-01 09:15:16 PM

enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.


actually, it's 1,456,333,546,788,443,556th.... that one the other time didn't count.
 
2013-03-01 09:15:22 PM

leonel: St_Francis_P: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

And yet, 0bama's Amerika is far, far worse. People back then didn't know how good they had it.

Why the other day, I opened my refrigerator and there was a concentration camp in the veggie drawer! It's gotten to the point that I have to drive carefully for fear of running over one.


OK you win. Obama is worse than Hitler. We just don't know the total body count for Obama yet.
 
2013-03-01 09:15:49 PM
Honest to God, Subby, I was expecting an article about cannibalism. Because knowing all the stuff the Nazis did, cannibalism would the only thing that could make it worse.

doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.


Canada also had them for the same reason. I recently learned this. How they've been able to keep this under wraps compared to America, I have no idea.
 
2013-03-01 09:16:20 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: ISO15693: lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.

something something gun control something...


This would not have happened if everyone had concealed Hitlers to defend themselves.
 
2013-03-01 09:17:42 PM

KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.


Hitler gets press for the way he did it. Yeah, Stalin and Mao were bad people, and they starved MILLIONS through their five year plans and "reforms", shot a bunch of people, and sent others to work camps, but they didn't have the industrialized and cold mechanism of death that the Nazis invented for the systematic extermination of groups of people who were deemed "undesirables", and the sheer monstrosity of the pseudo-scientific "human experiments" that their doctors performed at the camps.
 
2013-03-01 09:17:48 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: HindiDiscoMonster: ISO15693: lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.

something something gun control something...

This would not have happened if everyone had concealed Hitlers to defend themselves.


thanks... i couldn't think of anything good at the time...

/sick as a dog
//got a fever of a hundred and three
 
2013-03-01 09:18:03 PM

digitalrain: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

Am I the only one who read that in Jan Brady's voice?


Hehe, nope.

/now picturing Musssolini shaking a fist and complaining it's all about Hitler, Hitler Hitler!
 
2013-03-01 09:18:33 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.

actually, it's 1,456,333,546,788,443,556th.... that one the other time didn't count.


Which one was that? Was it the one where the author confused Austria with Assyria? Or was it the one about the shrubbery ?
 
2013-03-01 09:18:57 PM

leonel: St_Francis_P: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

And yet, 0bama's Amerika is far, far worse. People back then didn't know how good they had it.

Why the other day, I opened my refrigerator and there was a concentration camp in the veggie drawer! It's gotten to the point that I have to drive carefully for fear of running over one.


I swear, I try to eat right and exercise and still I end up with concentration camps. I just had surgery the other day to remove several small ones from kidney.
 
2013-03-01 09:19:49 PM

iheartscotch: HindiDiscoMonster: enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.

actually, it's 1,456,333,546,788,443,556th.... that one the other time didn't count.

Which one was that? Was it the one where the author confused Austria with Assyria? Or was it the one about the shrubbery ?


it was the one about the shrubbery.
 
2013-03-01 09:19:55 PM

KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.


You know, not many people know this, but der Führer was a terrific dancer.
 
2013-03-01 09:19:56 PM
St. Snuff: systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.

I guess you arent terribly familiar with human history.  Genocide was always the order of the day... this is a very rare time in human history where genocide is frowned upon.  Its a downright anomaly, really.  You should read some eye witness accounts of the crusades some time... the nazi's were practically humane.
 
2013-03-01 09:20:18 PM

dopekitty74: /now picturing Musssolini shaking a fist and complaining it's all about Hitler, Hitler Hitler!


El Douche was the closest we ever came to having a real life comic book villain.
 
2013-03-01 09:21:30 PM

cman: doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.

This indeed. We may have not executed or starved them to death, but we were supposed to be better than that.

I have always wondered how the original 5-6 million number was the result. To me that number felt a little low; I could have sworn it would have been 10 million because of the population size of Europe. Now they believe that 15-20 million were killed. Wow.


And we press-ganged the Japanese youth in the camps into one of the most abused units in our European front. George Takei talks about it on radio shows. They would recruit teens from the camps for the German front and "those japs" would be sent on the most dangerous missions and take some of the heaviest casualties. Because of that, though, they were the most decorated unit in the front, or damn near. Still don't make it ethical.

As for the body count: everything I've ever read says 12 million people. 6 million Jews, but 12 million total. These numbers are just refinement of the original 12 million estimate.

But that was just the extermination camps. Some 20 million Russians starved to death or were shot just a few miles east. It's not unimaginable that a few million abused prisoners died of non-oven causes and up till now the bodies have been overlooked because there's no paperwork for widespread famine
 
2013-03-01 09:22:43 PM
Lately I've taken to asking my wife (a bit of a historian), usually casually, but fairly often as of late, when did the smart people begin leaving Germany before WWII?

Because a bunch of people left because shiat had gotten BAD. I'm starting to feel that shiat is getting BAD here in the US. But she won't even get her passport.

/engineering jobs with 100k signing bonus and 100k/yr in Sydney
 
2013-03-01 09:23:02 PM
Germans are farked up, man. No wonder they're so down with pooey pr0n
 
2013-03-01 09:23:16 PM

St_Francis_P: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

And yet, 0bama's Amerika is far, far worse. People back then didn't know how good they had it.


I wonder if there are people who really think that. I know a lot of conservative power derpers out there spout that stupid BS, but could any of them really believe it? Is it humanly possible to drink that much cool-aid?

/Yes, I know you were joking.
 
2013-03-01 09:25:24 PM

Atomic Spunk: [img.dailymail.co.uk image 468x551]
snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome when he was young:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]


Agreed, while Hitler was a moronic force, the soviets were much worse.
 
2013-03-01 09:25:54 PM
Hitler also burned a thousand German stereotypes into the Western psyche, contributing 60 years later to a terrible episode of Community which I'm suffering through... right... now...

Okay, it's not that bad.
 
2013-03-01 09:25:57 PM

FriarReb98: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

You know, not many people know this, but der Führer was a terrific dancer.


cdn.ebaumsworld.com
Played a mean banjo too...
 
2013-03-01 09:26:12 PM

KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.


Shut up, Jan.
 
2013-03-01 09:26:22 PM

mekki: Canada also had them for the same reason. I recently learned this. How they've been able to keep this under wraps compared to America, I have no idea.


farkin' Canada is so benign they could have factories that inject orphans with sulfuric acid to collect tears of ultimate suffering to use in poutine gravy and the world's media would be like "Yeah, but a Canada story doesn't get ratings."
 
2013-03-01 09:26:23 PM
Who's this Hltler guy you speak of?
 
2013-03-01 09:27:24 PM
Wow, that made my jaw drop and almost forced tears to my eye. Wasn't expecting that at all. Subby was spot-on.
 
2013-03-01 09:27:29 PM

sxacho: I'm starting to feel that shiat is getting BAD here in the US.


Why, pray tell?
 
2013-03-01 09:27:33 PM

BronyMedic: jake_lex: Holocaust denial is so vile, so scummy, and holocaust deniers are such horrid pieces of human shiat, that it's one of the few things I just cannot joke about.

There is NOTHING so vile, nothing so indefensible, and nothing so WELL documented an atrocity that someone will not speak in defense of, in denial of, or positively of on the internet claim America does or has done the same or worse.

 
2013-03-01 09:27:55 PM
24.media.tumblr.comi45.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-01 09:27:55 PM
www.bbc.co.uk
img2.timeinc.net
 
2013-03-01 09:28:42 PM
www.midlifegamer.net
 
2013-03-01 09:29:50 PM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [www.bbc.co.uk image 401x536]
[img2.timeinc.net image 399x533]


LordOfThePings: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x538][i45.tinypic.com image 358x538]


And that is quite possibly one of the greatest simulposts of all time.
 
2013-03-01 09:30:37 PM

Alonjar: St. Snuff: systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.

I guess you arent terribly familiar with human history.  Genocide was always the order of the day... this is a very rare time in human history where genocide is frowned upon.  Its a downright anomaly, really.  You should read some eye witness accounts of the crusades some time... the nazi's were practically humane.


The human population was lower in those centuries.  The Aztecs murdered countless tribes on the tops of those pyramids, but never reached Nazi numbers.  I think that is why, even in a world filled with evil, the Nazis always win most evil.
 
2013-03-01 09:30:46 PM

doglover: mekki: Canada also had them for the same reason. I recently learned this. How they've been able to keep this under wraps compared to America, I have no idea.

farkin' Canada is so benign they could have factories that inject orphans with sulfuric acid to collect tears of ultimate suffering to use in poutine gravy and the world's media would be like "Yeah, but a Canada story doesn't get ratings."


www.imfdb.org

I WARNED THOSE ASSHOLES AND THEY DIDN'T LISTEN. WE'LL SEE WHO ROLLS OVER FOR THOSE MOUNTIES.
 
2013-03-01 09:31:33 PM

LordOfThePings: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x538][i45.tinypic.com image 358x538]


and


Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [www.bbc.co.uk image 401x536]
[img2.timeinc.net image 399x533]



media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-01 09:31:33 PM

FriarReb98: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [www.bbc.co.uk image 401x536]
[img2.timeinc.net image 399x533]

LordOfThePings: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x538][i45.tinypic.com image 358x538]

And that is quite possibly one of the greatest simulposts of all time.


Well, I dunno, I've seen better. Let's not all start sucking each other dicks just yet.....
 
2013-03-01 09:32:50 PM
Whatever happened to that troll who posted the "Obama is more Hitler than Hitler" graph? I liked that guy. Quality trolling with a sense of humor. Herp-something was his name.
 
2013-03-01 09:33:08 PM
danarchy.youfailit.net
 
2013-03-01 09:33:26 PM

FriarReb98: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

You know, not many people know this, but der Führer was a terrific dancer.


Now, ve vill sing de Führer's favorite song; de gluten tag hop glop.

/ spring time for hitler and Germany

// don't freak, google "the producers"
 
2013-03-01 09:33:27 PM

Lordserb: Yeah, so much of our history is covered with roses, but the sad truth is that America has done some pretty heinous things.


Giving blankets to Indians is a bad thing?
 
2013-03-01 09:35:10 PM

digitalrain: Atomic Spunk: [img.dailymail.co.uk image 468x551]
snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome when he was young:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]



Young Stalin was a hipster? Who knew???


I was thinking the same thing. He looks like a dude sitting down the bar from me.
 
2013-03-01 09:35:34 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Germans are farked up, man. No wonder they're so down with pooey pr0n


I think your brush is a bit too big for the canvas. I lived with a German exchange student for a year or so, and he was a decent guy, cool even, for someone majoring in nuclear engineering. He was a hell of a lot more mellow after returning from burning man.
 
2013-03-01 09:35:36 PM

iheartscotch: I guess they did nazi that coming.


ugh,
how long have you been sitting on that egg?
 
2013-03-01 09:35:44 PM

crabsno termites: Lordserb: Yeah, so much of our history is covered with roses, but the sad truth is that America has done some pretty heinous things.

Giving blankets to Indians is a bad thing?


..and what about those mules we gave to Spike Lee?
 
2013-03-01 09:37:05 PM

James F. Campbell: sxacho: I'm starting to feel that shiat is getting BAD here in the US.

Why, pray tell?


If conditions changed ever so slightly, I feel that our "friends" would turn us in for being unpatriotic.
 
2013-03-01 09:37:53 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: crabsno termites: Lordserb: Yeah, so much of our history is covered with roses, but the sad truth is that America has done some pretty heinous things.

Giving blankets to Indians is a bad thing?

..and what about those mules we gave to Spike Lee?


I thought those were for Sister Sarah.
 
2013-03-01 09:38:26 PM

Atomic Spunk: [img.dailymail.co.uk image 468x551]
snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome when he was young:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]


His engineers provided lots of early assistance in the design of the eastern camps.

It's never been proven, but it is likely he directly ran a few camps himself.
 
2013-03-01 09:38:42 PM
farkin' nazis, from illinois or anywhere else
 
2013-03-01 09:41:08 PM

SuddenlySamhain: iheartscotch: I guess they did nazi that coming.

ugh,
how long have you been sitting on that egg?


Since the last time we had a nazi thread.
 
2013-03-01 09:41:10 PM

vygramul: ISO15693: lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.

Yeah, but he also killed THAT guy.


It's a Russian nesting doll of Hitlers.
 
2013-03-01 09:44:58 PM

iheartscotch: SuddenlySamhain: iheartscotch: I guess they did nazi that coming.

ugh,
how long have you been sitting on that egg?

Since the last time we had a nazi thread.


So next dog thread, if anyone needs you you'll be in your lab?
 
2013-03-01 09:45:38 PM

doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.


No, no, NO, no, NO!!

We had "reservations"....."reservations", NOT "concentration camps".

Completely different. Really.
 
2013-03-01 09:46:59 PM

James F. Campbell: Why, pray tell?


Short story of the latest, my wife is a big facebooker. She has her friends and all that, but so one of her friends posts that bullshiat "Bill Cosby" rant about Muslims and the poor ruining America thing. So my wife responds (I'm so farking proud, I taught her to do this) "this shait ain't true, here's a link". The post was pulled in a manner of minutes and this other girl didn't speak to my wife for a week... or maybe longer, I don't know if they're talking. Everytime I've done that I've actually never been welcome to speak by the other person again.
 
2013-03-01 09:47:00 PM
You know who else...wait, hold on a sec, you know...who...also...what?
 
2013-03-01 09:47:35 PM

FriarReb98: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [www.bbc.co.uk image 401x536]
[img2.timeinc.net image 399x533]

LordOfThePings: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x538][i45.tinypic.com image 358x538]

And that is quite possibly one of the greatest simulposts of all time.


Sorry, but even last year's Multi-Pass streak during the Oscars was better.
 
2013-03-01 09:48:28 PM
Not impressed....

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-01 09:50:11 PM

jake_lex: m00: BigLuca: It's not "The Holocaust" it's "The Holocaust Theory."

Teach the controversy.

Holocaust denial is so vile, so scummy, and holocaust deniers are such horrid pieces of human shiat, that it's one of the few things I just cannot joke about.


I sometimes feel the same way, too.

Holocaust deniers, Truthers, Birthers, Vaccineers, David Icke followers, they are terrible people.

Racism runs deep. It is still in our psyche. We may be an enlightened species, but we have a major problem, and that is our programming. What is different could be dangerous. This is a primitive emotion from where bigotry comes from. In order for us to evolve we must accept who we are so we can recognize it and control it.
 
2013-03-01 09:50:24 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: HindiDiscoMonster: ISO15693: lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.

something something gun control something...

This would not have happened if everyone had concealed Hitlers to defend themselves.


I keep the little Hitler concealed to avoid charges of public indecency. I like to think that if I needed him to defend me: he would rise to the occasion.
 
2013-03-01 09:50:27 PM

crabsno termites: Lt. Cheese Weasel: crabsno termites: Lordserb: Yeah, so much of our history is covered with roses, but the sad truth is that America has done some pretty heinous things.

Giving blankets to Indians is a bad thing?

..and what about those mules we gave to Spike Lee?

I thought those were for Sister Sarah.


Only two of them
 
2013-03-01 09:51:43 PM

davidphogan: iheartscotch: SuddenlySamhain: iheartscotch: I guess they did nazi that coming.

ugh,
how long have you been sitting on that egg?

Since the last time we had a nazi thread.

So next dog thread, if anyone needs you you'll be in your lab?


Precisely, mien Fürher; excuse me, Mr. President.

/ The nature of the doomsday device; whole idea of this machine, you know. Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the FEAR to attack. And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision-making process which rules out human meddling, the Doomsday machine is terrifying and simple to understand... and completely credible and convincing.
 
2013-03-01 09:52:27 PM

dopekitty74: digitalrain: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

Am I the only one who read that in Jan Brady's voice?

Hehe, nope.

/now picturing Musssolini shaking a fist and complaining it's all about Hitler, Hitler Hitler!


lh5.googleusercontent.com

Hitler, Hitler, Hitler!

I couldn't resist a quick and dirty photoshop.
 
2013-03-01 09:52:56 PM

sxacho: James F. Campbell: Why, pray tell?

Short story of the latest, my wife is a big facebooker. She has her friends and all that, but so one of her friends posts that bullshiat "Bill Cosby" rant about Muslims and the poor ruining America thing. So my wife responds (I'm so farking proud, I taught her to do this) "this shait ain't true, here's a link". The post was pulled in a manner of minutes and this other girl didn't speak to my wife for a week... or maybe longer, I don't know if they're talking. Everytime I've done that I've actually never been welcome to speak by the other person again.


I'm trying to follow your story, so please tell me if I understand you correctly. You're thinking it might be time to leave the US because you think some bad things will be happening soon. And one of the bad things that has happened in the US is that your wife disagreed with her friend's FB post and the friend is no longer talking to your wife. Is this what you're saying?
 
2013-03-01 09:53:18 PM
They were just using green, small scale, locally sourced slave labor.
 
2013-03-01 09:53:20 PM

mekki: vygramul: ISO15693: lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.

Yeah, but he also killed THAT guy.

It's a Russian nesting doll of Hitlers.


It'shiatlers all the way down.
 
2013-03-01 09:56:57 PM

Xythero: Alonjar: St. Snuff: systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.

I guess you arent terribly familiar with human history.  Genocide was always the order of the day... this is a very rare time in human history where genocide is frowned upon.  Its a downright anomaly, really.  You should read some eye witness accounts of the crusades some time... the nazi's were practically humane.

The human population was lower in those centuries.  The Aztecs murdered countless tribes on the tops of those pyramids, but never reached Nazi numbers.  I think that is why, even in a world filled with evil, the Nazis always win most evil.


The Holocaust was every bit as evil as advertised, but the Nazis don't win on either absolute numbers (Stalin, especially in the Ukraine) or relative ones (Genghis Khan; see Baghdad).
 
2013-03-01 09:57:46 PM
That's the jews punishment for killing our savior Jesus Christ.
They turned away from God and they deserved to be punished. This is why God scattered them to the four corners of the earth.
 
2013-03-01 09:58:07 PM

Atomic Spunk: sxacho: James F. Campbell: Why, pray tell?

Short story of the latest, my wife is a big facebooker. She has her friends and all that, but so one of her friends posts that bullshiat "Bill Cosby" rant about Muslims and the poor ruining America thing. So my wife responds (I'm so farking proud, I taught her to do this) "this shait ain't true, here's a link". The post was pulled in a manner of minutes and this other girl didn't speak to my wife for a week... or maybe longer, I don't know if they're talking. Everytime I've done that I've actually never been welcome to speak by the other person again.

I'm trying to follow your story, so please tell me if I understand you correctly. You're thinking it might be time to leave the US because you think some bad things will be happening soon. And one of the bad things that has happened in the US is that your wife disagreed with her friend's FB post and the friend is no longer talking to your wife. Is this what you're saying?


No. It's a small sign that I think is worth paying attention to. Your friends laying out overly patriotic, xenophobic messages that would otherwise go unchallenged among your other friends. I think that's pretty worrisome.

Little things add up to hegemony. I'd hate to be stuck is all.
 
2013-03-01 09:58:17 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.

No, no, NO, no, NO!!

We had "reservations"....."reservations", NOT "concentration camps".

Completely different. Really.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-01 09:58:42 PM
Evidently fark does not follow its own rules from the faq:

Articles from the following sites will automatically be rejected:Sites that shut themselves down after getting a lot of traffic, like Geocities did when it was alive
Ananova (long story)
Any site requiring logins or registration to read articles
Any site/user even remotely relating to "SEO" or "social bookmarking" or that's obviously selling something (which we consider "spammers")
 
2013-03-01 10:00:32 PM

chrylis: Genghis Khan


Now this guy was a real pro.
 
2013-03-01 10:01:21 PM
A188991

That fits on an IBM post-1931 card nicely. Surely it's just a coinky-dinky.
 
2013-03-01 10:01:36 PM
So, people that work in holocaust companies are farking terrible at history like most dumbasses?  You don't say.
 
2013-03-01 10:01:52 PM

jake_lex: m00: BigLuca: It's not "The Holocaust" it's "The Holocaust Theory."

Teach the controversy.

Holocaust denial is so vile, so scummy, and holocaust deniers are such horrid pieces of human shiat, that it's one of the few things I just cannot joke about.


Well, not with THAT attitude, Debbie Downer.
 
2013-03-01 10:03:07 PM

FriarReb98: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [www.bbc.co.uk image 401x536]
[img2.timeinc.net image 399x533]

LordOfThePings: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x538][i45.tinypic.com image 358x538]

And that is quite possibly one of the greatest simulposts of all time.


THAT JUST HAPPENED.
 
2013-03-01 10:03:27 PM

iheartscotch: davidphogan: iheartscotch: SuddenlySamhain: iheartscotch: I guess they did nazi that coming.

ugh,
how long have you been sitting on that egg?

Since the last time we had a nazi thread.

So next dog thread, if anyone needs you you'll be in your lab?

Precisely, mien Fürher; excuse me, Mr. President.

/ The nature of the doomsday device; whole idea of this machine, you know. Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the FEAR to attack. And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision-making process which rules out human meddling, the Doomsday machine is terrifying and simple to understand... and completely credible and convincing.


Dude. No fighting in the war room.
 
2013-03-01 10:03:53 PM

lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.


Funny
 
2013-03-01 10:04:24 PM

Lordserb: They may pale in comparison with the injustices done by other nations,


I wouldn't say that at all. Between slavery and the shiat we did to the Indians, I'd say we're right up there with the Germans when it comes to pure evil. We're a little less murderous, of course, but killing a person is far from the worst thing you can do to someone. And let's not forget that the creation of this nation was nothing more or less than robbery on a massive scale.
 
2013-03-01 10:04:47 PM

KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.


It's because of the snazzy Nazi uniforms. No other brutalizing, murdering dictatorship had such styling clothes.
 
2013-03-01 10:06:53 PM

Alonjar: St. Snuff: systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.

I guess you arent terribly familiar with human history.  Genocide was always the order of the day... this is a very rare time in human history where genocide is frowned upon.  Its a downright anomaly, really.  You should read some eye witness accounts of the crusades some time... the nazi's were practically humane.


I believe as pointed out prior, it was the sheer scale at which the Nazi's acted, such that the world had never before seen, is what distinguishes the Holocaust from the patterned mass-slayings of human history - which is not only present in the Medieval Ages, but even during the rule of the Egyptian Pharaoh's and the great dynasties of Asia.

And as for considering the continual decrease in the instances of genocide an anomaly is simply asinine. Putting aside the notion that the Holocaust was the only instance of genocide in the the 20th Century, which is patently false, calling societal progression an anomaly is an illogical and untenable position to hold.
 
2013-03-01 10:07:05 PM

Nefarious: chrylis: Genghis Khan

Now this guy was a real pro.


Hey, over a thousand years later, something like 1/5th of Asians are directly related to him because of how much he enjoyed legitimate rape. And how their bodies didn't have a way of shutting that down.
 
2013-03-01 10:07:56 PM

doglover: Hagenhatesyouall: doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.

No, no, NO, no, NO!!

We had "reservations"....."reservations", NOT "concentration camps".

Completely different. Really.


I dunno, that seems a helluva lot more polite.
 
2013-03-01 10:08:47 PM

LordOfThePings: [www.midlifegamer.net image 324x270]


Freakin' awesome.
 
2013-03-01 10:09:15 PM

LordOfThePings: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x538][i45.tinypic.com image 358x538]


Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [www.bbc.co.uk image 401x536]
[img2.timeinc.net image 399x533]


SIMULPOST - TO THE SECOND

THAT
WAS
CREEPY



/Its a sign from GOD
//warning us that Keanu Reeves is STALIN
///AND that Netanyahu is Hitler
 
2013-03-01 10:09:31 PM

sxacho: Atomic Spunk: sxacho: James F. Campbell: Why, pray tell?

Short story of the latest, my wife is a big facebooker. She has her friends and all that, but so one of her friends posts that bullshiat "Bill Cosby" rant about Muslims and the poor ruining America thing. So my wife responds (I'm so farking proud, I taught her to do this) "this shait ain't true, here's a link". The post was pulled in a manner of minutes and this other girl didn't speak to my wife for a week... or maybe longer, I don't know if they're talking. Everytime I've done that I've actually never been welcome to speak by the other person again.

I'm trying to follow your story, so please tell me if I understand you correctly. You're thinking it might be time to leave the US because you think some bad things will be happening soon. And one of the bad things that has happened in the US is that your wife disagreed with her friend's FB post and the friend is no longer talking to your wife. Is this what you're saying?

No. It's a small sign that I think is worth paying attention to. Your friends laying out overly patriotic, xenophobic messages that would otherwise go unchallenged among your other friends. I think that's pretty worrisome.

Little things add up to hegemony. I'd hate to be stuck is all.


I know what you mean. People are saying sh*t publicly these days that would have been social suicide back in the 1990s. American culture is regressing, and quickly. Ignorance is becoming socially accepted and even admired.
 
2013-03-01 10:11:22 PM
So this old Jew wins $10 million in the lottery and his friend asks,"What are you going to do with the money?"
The old Jew says,"Well I'm gonna give $1 million to the American Nazi Party."
The friend replies,"What, why the hell would you do that, those bastards tried to kill you?"
The old Jew looks at his arm and says, "Yeah, but they gave me the numbers"
 
2013-03-01 10:12:20 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: FriarReb98: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [www.bbc.co.uk image 401x536]
[img2.timeinc.net image 399x533]

LordOfThePings: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x538][i45.tinypic.com image 358x538]

And that is quite possibly one of the greatest simulposts of all time.

Well, I dunno, I've seen better. Let's not all start sucking each other dicks just yet.....


So maybe it wasn't the greatest simulpost of all time.  Are you and I really going to let that stop us?  I think you know the answer, my little weasel.
 
2013-03-01 10:12:23 PM

silvervial: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

It's because of the snazzy Nazi uniforms. No other brutalizing, murdering dictatorship had such styling clothes.


Made by Hugo Boss.
 
2013-03-01 10:12:40 PM

malaktaus: Lordserb: They may pale in comparison with the injustices done by other nations,

I wouldn't say that at all. Between slavery and the shiat we did to the Indians, I'd say we're right up there with the Germans when it comes to pure evil. We're a little less murderous, of course, but killing a person is far from the worst thing you can do to someone. And let's not forget that the creation of this nation was nothing more or less than robbery on a massive scale.


To be fair I think you'd be hard pressed to name a single country that isn't the product of someone stealing land from somebody at some point.
 
2013-03-01 10:12:57 PM

mekki: Honest to God, Subby, I was expecting an article about cannibalism. Because knowing all the stuff the Nazis did, cannibalism would the only thing that could make it worse.


Actually, that was the Japanese:

Many written reports and testimonies collected by the Australian War Crimes Section of the Tokyo tribunal, and investigated by prosecutor. This frequently involved murder for the purpose of securing bodies. For example, an Changdi Ram, testified that: "[on November 12, 1944] the Kempeitai beheaded [an Allied] pilot. I saw this from behind a tree and watched some of the Japanese cut flesh from his arms, legs, hips, buttocks and carry it off to their quarters... They cut it [into] small pieces and fried it.

Link
 
2013-03-01 10:15:06 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-01 10:15:19 PM
By all means, continue to write about things that the entirety of Europe knew was happening before WW2 even started, and criminally chose to ignore. Meanwhile China, RIGHT NOW, is doing this VERY SAME shiat to political dissidents, religious minorities and journalists EVERY DAY, which the west, again, knows and is criminally choosing to ignore.
 
2013-03-01 10:17:45 PM

malaktaus: And let's not forget that the creation of this nation was nothing more or less than robbery on a massive scale.


Now that's pretty much how the world worked until quite recently.  (You could probably easily argue it still does)  You capture a piece of territory and either absorb or drive out the native population.  It's not pretty, it's not enlightened but the conqueror and the conquered have been around for almost as long as we have.  I'm not excusing it but the European colonization of North America wasn't a unique situation and despite what some naive people may believe the Native Americans did not all live in harmony together.
 
2013-03-01 10:18:17 PM
Say what you will, the man had a strong work ethic.

/Too soon?
 
2013-03-01 10:18:47 PM

Xythero: Alonjar: St. Snuff: systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.

I guess you arent terribly familiar with human history.  Genocide was always the order of the day... this is a very rare time in human history where genocide is frowned upon.  Its a downright anomaly, really.  You should read some eye witness accounts of the crusades some time... the nazi's were practically humane.

The human population was lower in those centuries.  The Aztecs murdered countless tribes on the tops of those pyramids, but never reached Nazi numbers.  I think that is why, even in a world filled with evil, the Nazis always win most evil.


That's because of the much-vaunted "German efficiency." I'm sure we are all grateful that they now turn that national characteristic towards making cars.

/and a beautiful country
//and a great economy
///and farking awesome food
 
2013-03-01 10:20:16 PM

sxacho: James F. Campbell: Why, pray tell?

Short story of the latest, my wife is a big facebooker. She has her friends and all that, but so one of her friends posts that bullshiat "Bill Cosby" rant about Muslims and the poor ruining America thing. So my wife responds (I'm so farking proud, I taught her to do this) "this shait ain't true, here's a link". The post was pulled in a manner of minutes and this other girl didn't speak to my wife for a week... or maybe longer, I don't know if they're talking. Everytime I've done that I've actually never been welcome to speak by the other person again.


Ah. I thought you were going to blame Obama.
 
2013-03-01 10:20:29 PM
He proved millions of people could be collected and deported.......So, let's get to it ICE agents.
 
2013-03-01 10:22:45 PM
i111.photobucket.com

/oontz oontz oontz oontz
 
2013-03-01 10:23:09 PM
The numbers astound: 30,000 slave labor camps; 1,150 Jewish ghettos; 980 concentration camps; 1,000 prisoner-of-war camps; 500 brothels filled with sex slaves; and thousands of other camps used for euthanizing the elderly and infirm, performing forced abortions, "Germanizing" prisoners or transporting victims to killing centers.

In Berlin alone, researchers have documented some 3,000 camps and so-called Jew houses, while Hamburg held 1,300 sites.

Dr. Dean, a co-researcher, said the findings left no doubt in his mind that many German citizens, despite the frequent claims of ignorance after the war, must have known about the widespread existence of the Nazi camps at the time.

"You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."
 
2013-03-01 10:23:11 PM

doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.


It was the 1940s
 
2013-03-01 10:24:17 PM

RockChalkH1N1: doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.

It was the 1940s


While Japanese internment was a shameful and inexcusable period of paranoia and abuse of the constitution, it is in no way remotely comparable with the Holocaust. The only similarity is that people of like ethnicity were grouped together in camps.
 
2013-03-01 10:25:13 PM
Good to see that they did not sit on the evidence for 70 years or something....
 
2013-03-01 10:25:13 PM
Become victims of Hitler's
quest for "living space".

huisjenphilosophy.files.wordpress.com
Free Reign forever to create
settlements in Palestinian
          West bank.
 
2013-03-01 10:26:48 PM
Came for Eddy, disappointed, want a job done right, got to do it yourself.

img107.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-01 10:28:23 PM
Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-03-01 10:28:55 PM

Plant Rights Activist: They were just using green, small scale, locally sourced slave labor.


Well, it wasn't entirely "locally sourced." My husband's grandfather was "conscripted" from the Netherlands to work at forced labor (i.e., he was a slave) in Germany during the war. My mother-in-law said he was lucky, since his rations included sausage, while she and her mother back in Holland nearly starved. She never voluntarily ate a beet again as long as she lived. Or rye bread.
 
2013-03-01 10:29:27 PM

cman: Racism runs deep. It is still in our psyche. We may be an enlightened species, but we have a major problem, and that is our programming. What is different could be dangerous. This is a primitive emotion from where bigotry comes from. In order for us to evolve we must accept who we are so we can recognize it and control it.



I strongly agree with this part of your statement.

The primal drive toward tribalism/ ethnocentrism/ nationalism/ racism no doubt served us as a species over the course of much of our evolution, but the world has become much too small a place as of late, and these tendencies have suddenly become a major liability - perhaps our single greatest liability.

Unfortunately I these tendencies are so heavily ingrained in our nature that they will not be easily eradicated, so I'm not terribly optimistic.

And strangely, there are many of us who insist that certain groups be not only allowed, but ENCOURAGED to continue on this treacherous path of separatism and particularism.

No, I'm not terribly optimistic at all.
 
2013-03-01 10:30:14 PM

bitsy_boffin: Came for Eddy, disappointed, want a job done right, got to do it yourself.


I was expecting the "what's going on in this thread...oh lord!" by now.
 
2013-03-01 10:31:34 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: It'shiatlers all the way down.


I don't know why, but that particular filter pwnage really made me laugh.  Thanks for that.
 
2013-03-01 10:32:46 PM

digitalrain: Atomic Spunk: [img.dailymail.co.uk image 468x551]
snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome when he was young:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]

Young Stalin was a hipster? Who knew???


Young Stalin had dead eyes.
 
2013-03-01 10:33:37 PM

Amos Quito: LordOfThePings: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x538][i45.tinypic.com image 358x538]

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [www.bbc.co.uk image 401x536]
[img2.timeinc.net image 399x533]

SIMULPOST - TO THE SECOND

THAT
WAS
CREEPY


/Its a sign from GOD
//warning us that Keanu Reeves is STALIN
///AND that Netanyahu is Hitler


Keanu Reeves already played Lucifer's lawyer, it's not much of a stretch.
 
2013-03-01 10:34:06 PM

Anastacya: Young Stalin had dead eyes


Like a doll's eyes
 
2013-03-01 10:37:05 PM
Obviously this is part of the world wide Jewish conspiracy. I'm willing to bet there were more than a few researchers involved with names like Rosen, Goldstein, and Schwartz.
 
2013-03-01 10:37:26 PM

Amos Quito: cman: Racism runs deep. It is still in our psyche. We may be an enlightened species, but we have a major problem, and that is our programming. What is different could be dangerous. This is a primitive emotion from where bigotry comes from. In order for us to evolve we must accept who we are so we can recognize it and control it.


I strongly agree with this part of your statement.

The primal drive toward tribalism/ ethnocentrism/ nationalism/ racism no doubt served us as a species over the course of much of our evolution, but the world has become much too small a place as of late, and these tendencies have suddenly become a major liability - perhaps our single greatest liability.

Unfortunately I these tendencies are so heavily ingrained in our nature that they will not be easily eradicated, so I'm not terribly optimistic.

And strangely, there are many of us who insist that certain groups be not only allowed, but ENCOURAGED to continue on this treacherous path of separatism and particularism.

No, I'm not terribly optimistic at all.


It's not a thread about Jews until Amos shows up.
 
2013-03-01 10:40:48 PM
Why not address him by his FULL name?
Adolph Obama Hitler
 
2013-03-01 10:41:12 PM

vygramul: Amos Quito: cman: Racism runs deep. It is still in our psyche. We may be an enlightened species, but we have a major problem, and that is our programming. What is different could be dangerous. This is a primitive emotion from where bigotry comes from. In order for us to evolve we must accept who we are so we can recognize it and control it.


I strongly agree with this part of your statement.

The primal drive toward tribalism/ ethnocentrism/ nationalism/ racism no doubt served us as a species over the course of much of our evolution, but the world has become much too small a place as of late, and these tendencies have suddenly become a major liability - perhaps our single greatest liability.

Unfortunately I these tendencies are so heavily ingrained in our nature that they will not be easily eradicated, so I'm not terribly optimistic.

And strangely, there are many of us who insist that certain groups be not only allowed, but ENCOURAGED to continue on this treacherous path of separatism and particularism.

No, I'm not terribly optimistic at all.


It's not a thread about Jews until Amos shows up.



What can I say? The thread was dying.

Starving like a freakin' Ukrainian under Stalin and Kaganovich.
 
2013-03-01 10:41:45 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

I $mell another Oscar winning movie with original soundtrack!
 
2013-03-01 10:42:16 PM

vygramul: It's not a thread about Jews until Amos shows up.



Oh, and it never was about Jews.

Was it?
 
2013-03-01 10:42:16 PM

obamadidcoke: silvervial: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

It's because of the snazzy Nazi uniforms. No other brutalizing, murdering dictatorship had such styling clothes.

Made by Hugo Boss.


Yup, I mean, look:

img607.imageshack.us

The boots alone are drool-worthy!
 
2013-03-01 10:43:21 PM
Actually the Japenese were no sloths themselves. Millions slaughtered in China. Not to mention what they did to the citizens of other countries they "liberated" from the white western colonialists. And let's not forget unit 731 who performed medical and weapons experiments on pow's and civilians. Vivisection on downed B-29 crews, cannibalism, decapitation contests, mass rape.........they just weren't dumb enough to catalogue everything like the Germans.
 
2013-03-01 10:43:23 PM

digitalrain: Atomic Spunk: [img.dailymail.co.uk image 468x551]
snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome when he was young:
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Young Stalin was a hipster? Who knew???


If only we had cheap color film back then! 1920s "zoot suits" put the disco generation to shame, but even the gaudiest suit might as well be a tuxedo when reduced to black and white.

/assuming that's actually Stalin, and not a viral marketing campaign for "Young Stalin starring Johnny Depp."
 
2013-03-01 10:45:02 PM

Amos Quito: What can I say? The thread was dying.

Starving like a freakin' Ukrainian under Stalin and Kaganovich.


Gee, it's nothing to do with Israel, nothing to do with Zionism, and yet he feels it necessary to point out when a Jew is somewhere in the story when it involves something negative.

You're just anti-Zionist.  Not someone who simply hates Jews.
 
2013-03-01 10:53:16 PM
Historically Jewish ghettos in Europe were the same as Jewish Quarters - the part of a city where Jews lived. Often there were laws requiring they live there and often they self segregated. The US with (now) no laws about where Jews can live still has Jewish enclaves and less formal areas such as Beverly Hills which are overwhelmingly Jewish. (I said "now" because many areas such as Garden City, LI, NY had a real-estate "understanding" that no houses would be sold to blacks or Jews).

Wikipedia says: "In the 19th century, Jewish ghettos were progressively abolished, and their walls taken down.". with no explanation of why or mention that in those places many Jews continued to live.

Yes the Nazis were evil assholes but they didn't build new Jewish Quarters but just herded those living outside them back in.
 
2013-03-01 10:54:25 PM

lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.


BAHAHA XD
 
2013-03-01 10:57:48 PM

vygramul: Amos Quito: What can I say? The thread was dying.

Starving like a freakin' Ukrainian under Stalin and Kaganovich.

Gee, it's nothing to do with Israel, nothing to do with Zionism,



No, the first half of the 20th Century had NOTHING to do with Zionists and their aspirations.

Nothing whatsoever.


/Pat yourself on the head, vygramul
 
2013-03-01 10:59:35 PM

HairBolus: Historically Jewish ghettos in Europe were the same as Jewish Quarters - the part of a city where Jews lived. Often there were laws requiring they live there and often they self segregated. The US with (now) no laws about where Jews can live still has Jewish enclaves and less formal areas such as Beverly Hills which are overwhelmingly Jewish. (I said "now" because many areas such as Garden City, LI, NY had a real-estate "understanding" that no houses would be sold to blacks or Jews).

Wikipedia says: "In the 19th century, Jewish ghettos were progressively abolished, and their walls taken down.". with no explanation of why or mention that in those places many Jews continued to live.

Yes the Nazis were evil assholes but they didn't build new Jewish Quarters but just herded those living outside them back in.



Careful.

You've been reading too much.
 
2013-03-01 11:02:57 PM

Red Shirt Blues: Actually the Japenese were no sloths themselves. Millions slaughtered in China. Not to mention what they did to the citizens of other countries they "liberated" from the white western colonialists. And let's not forget unit 731 who performed medical and weapons experiments on pow's and civilians. Vivisection on downed B-29 crews, cannibalism, decapitation contests, mass rape.........they just weren't dumb enough to catalogue everything like the Germans.


No, the Japanese just made it a religion that until the end of World War II, every man woman and child was taught. Death before dishonor to the Emperor.. Surprisingly enough, they were a LOT like the modern Jihadists and Al Queda groups that we fight today, and it bares a lot of resemblance to the post-war teaching and religion of Juche in North Korea during the Kim era.

There are numerous documented cases of the Japanese using suicide tactics - not just Kamakaze, but wiring their dead and dying with explosives, pulling grenades after surrendering, and using car and vehicle bombs, against their enemies.
 
2013-03-01 11:03:41 PM

Amos Quito: HairBolus: Historically Jewish ghettos in Europe were the same as Jewish Quarters - the part of a city where Jews lived. Often there were laws requiring they live there and often they self segregated.


data.un.org

What a "self-segregated" Jewish ghetto might look like.
 
2013-03-01 11:07:16 PM
Hitler and National Socialism was evil, MMmmmmmkay?

But communism killed 100,000,000 people. Hitler never even got close to that record.
 
2013-03-01 11:08:53 PM
FTA:" ...and brothels, where women were coerced into having sex with German military personnel"

I can't say this didn't happen but sex between Jews and Germans was illegal per the Nuremberg Laws of 1935. I've not read anything previously where Germans took this law lightly.

/Even Oskar Schindler was imprisoned for just kissing a Jew
 
2013-03-01 11:09:49 PM

chrylis: Genghis Khan;


I heard he had some fancy dance moves as well.
Prove
 
2013-03-01 11:11:39 PM

Alonjar: St. Snuff: systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.

I guess you arent terribly familiar with human history.  Genocide was always the order of the day... this is a very rare time in human history where genocide is frowned upon.  Its a downright anomaly, really.  You should read some eye witness accounts of the crusades some time... the nazi's were practically humane.


The Holocaust death numbers pale in comparison to the systematic killing of Native Americans. And they were both brutally evil.
Also, at least Hitler didn't hack them up with machetes, like millions of Africans have suffered.
 
2013-03-01 11:15:02 PM
The Germans and to a more limited degree the Japanese were brutal bastards. That is until they met the Americans and then found out who the real top dog was.

But that thing - German Ordnung and engineering - there's a reason for it. The whole thing started because of the Treaty of Versailles - it left Germany destitute. But manufacturing concerns within the state wanted to ramp up for war and Hitler was only too willing.

The first push was into Poland - the Sudetenland. A lot of ethnic Germans lived in the western section of Poland.

It's just who the Nazi's chose to scapegoat. They were essentially doomed from the start. They put so many people to death that they suffered brain drain. Stupid really.
 
2013-03-01 11:15:11 PM

LawrencePerson: Hitler and National Socialism was evil, MMmmmmmkay?

But communism killed 100,000,000 people. Hitler never even got close to that record.



I'm not familiar with that number. Did you just make it up?

You Hitler defenders must admit that Stalin and communism killed Nazi Germany, so at least they have that going for them.
 
2013-03-01 11:15:37 PM

Crunch61: FTA:" ...and brothels, where women were coerced into having sex with German military personnel"

I can't say this didn't happen but sex between Jews and Germans was illegal per the Nuremberg Laws of 1935. I've not read anything previously where Germans took this law lightly.

/Even Oskar Schindler was imprisoned for just kissing a Jew



It said "WOMEN were coerced", not JEWISH women.

You picked up on the perpetual (and intentional) IMPLICATION.

Moral of the story: These stories are immoral.
 
2013-03-01 11:15:52 PM

Crunch61: FTA:" ...and brothels, where women were coerced into having sex with German military personnel"

I can't say this didn't happen but sex between Jews and Germans was illegal per the Nuremberg Laws of 1935. I've not read anything previously where Germans took this law lightly.

/Even Oskar Schindler was imprisoned for just kissing a Jew


Unclear from the article, but the brothels likely didn't have Jewish women in them...forced labor from other countries, more likely.
 
2013-03-01 11:18:43 PM

BronyMedic: No


No to what?
 
2013-03-01 11:20:49 PM

LawrencePerson: Hitler and National Socialism was evil, MMmmmmmkay?

But communism killed 100,000,000 people. Hitler never even got close to that record.


So vote Republican.
 
2013-03-01 11:22:15 PM
"You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)
 
2013-03-01 11:26:31 PM

HairBolus:  The US with (now) no laws about where Jews can live still has Jewish enclaves and less formal areas such as Beverly Hills which are overwhelmingly Jewish.


Beverly Hills is actually overwhelmingly Persian.
The Jews migrated north to Encino and the like.
 
2013-03-01 11:28:35 PM

Amos Quito: Crunch61: FTA:" ...and brothels, where women were coerced into having sex with German military personnel"

I can't say this didn't happen but sex between Jews and Germans was illegal per the Nuremberg Laws of 1935. I've not read anything previously where Germans took this law lightly.

/Even Oskar Schindler was imprisoned for just kissing a Jew


It said "WOMEN were coerced", not JEWISH women.

You picked up on the perpetual (and intentional) IMPLICATION.

Moral of the story: These stories are immoral.


"They trick you, you know."
 
2013-03-01 11:28:56 PM

SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)



upload.wikimedia.org

Keep milking that pig
 
2013-03-01 11:29:22 PM

Begoggle: Why not address him by his FULL name?
Adolph Obama Hitler


Because that's not what it says on his false birth cert.  It clearly says Obama McFartbongo MuslinSmokeDopeTooMuch.
 
2013-03-01 11:29:46 PM
What about all the good things he did? I mean the guy killed Hitler! That makes him an hero of legendary proportions!
 
2013-03-01 11:30:18 PM
I, like many people, have a habit of using words like ghetto and Nazi casually, without a thought to their horrible origins.

I try to be conscious of this, but doing so requires too much concentration.
 
2013-03-01 11:30:25 PM

SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)


You know, it's not just a river in Africa.
 
2013-03-01 11:31:41 PM

Alonjar: St. Snuff: systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.

I guess you arent terribly familiar with human history.  Genocide was always the order of the day... this is a very rare time in human history where genocide is frowned upon.  Its a downright anomaly, really.  You should read some eye witness accounts of the crusades some time... the nazi's were practically humane.


Crusades? Try Genghis Khan
 
2013-03-01 11:32:44 PM

afghanwhiggle: Amos Quito: Crunch61: FTA:" ...and brothels, where women were coerced into having sex with German military personnel"

I can't say this didn't happen but sex between Jews and Germans was illegal per the Nuremberg Laws of 1935. I've not read anything previously where Germans took this law lightly.

/Even Oskar Schindler was imprisoned for just kissing a Jew


It said "WOMEN were coerced", not JEWISH women.

You picked up on the perpetual (and intentional) IMPLICATION.

Moral of the story: These stories are immoral.



"They trick you, you know."


I can't see where it's much different than any other religion.
 
2013-03-01 11:32:52 PM

SurelyShirley: HairBolus:  The US with (now) no laws about where Jews can live still has Jewish enclaves and less formal areas such as Beverly Hills which are overwhelmingly Jewish.

Beverly Hills is actually overwhelmingly Persian.
The Jews migrated north to Encino and the like.


You are aware that there are a significant number of Persian Jews, right? Just because one is Persian does not mean they cannot also be Jewish. The classification of being Persian is completely independent of one's religious views.
 
2013-03-01 11:33:08 PM
i112.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-01 11:35:07 PM

King Something: What about all the good things he did? I mean the guy killed Hitler! That makes him an hero of legendary proportions!



He also did far more than any contemporary political leader to help forward the Zionist movement - contributing money, manpower, and expertise.

Dude should have a statue in Tel Aviv.

A BIG one.
 
2013-03-01 11:38:09 PM

St. Snuff: SurelyShirley: HairBolus:  The US with (now) no laws about where Jews can live still has Jewish enclaves and less formal areas such as Beverly Hills which are overwhelmingly Jewish.

Beverly Hills is actually overwhelmingly Persian.
The Jews migrated north to Encino and the like.

You are aware that there are a significant number of Persian Jews, right? Just because one is Persian does not mean they cannot also be Jewish. The classification of being Persian is completely independent of one's religious views.


I thank you. While I was aware that Persian is not a religion, I was not aware of the large number of Persian Jews in the United States. You learn something everyday.
 
2013-03-01 11:39:31 PM

kd1s: The Germans and to a more limited degree the Japanese were brutal bastards. That is until they met the Americans and then found out who the real top dog was.


Nah, I wouldn't give it to the Americans on being the most brutal. That honor had to go to the Russians. Especially with what they did to their German POWs. In some Russian POW camps, German soldiers had over a 90% mortality rate because of the way they were "taken care" of.

malaktaus: Lordserb: They may pale in comparison with the injustices done by other nations,

I wouldn't say that at all. Between slavery and the shiat we did to the Indians, I'd say we're right up there with the Germans when it comes to pure evil. We're a little less murderous, of course, but killing a person is far from the worst thing you can do to someone.

And let's not forget that the creation of this nation was nothing more or less than robbery on a massive scale.

Name one nation that did not invade another nation for land, goods or slaves. And I am not talking about some severely isolated, obscure, miniscule tribe in the middle of the rainforest.. Just one nation.

All nations invade and steal. The only reason why the Native Americans did not do the same when they invaded the lands and yes, because their Asian ancestors were as native to the Americas as their European counterparts, was because the land was empty. But as soon as their populations grew, they began invading and stealing from each other. Just look at pre-Columbian history to see this. The only thing that stopped them was the invading European forces.
 
2013-03-01 11:48:05 PM
Oh farking hell...is this "Amos" thing Tats 2.0 or something?
 
2013-03-01 11:50:36 PM

SurelyShirley: HairBolus:  The US with (now) no laws about where Jews can live still has Jewish enclaves and less formal areas such as Beverly Hills which are overwhelmingly Jewish.

Beverly Hills is actually overwhelmingly Persian Iranian Jews.

 
2013-03-01 11:50:53 PM

doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.


I feel bad for the old Japanese people that died in the camps not knowing if their families would be safe Also I remember an SF Examiner from the war years, the headline was, "Italian Fisherman has six sons in the Army but the Government won't let him work".  The Feds prohibited foreign born citizens from operating or working on fishing boats, and the paper calling them out for it.
 
2013-03-01 11:53:53 PM

VegasVinnie: Ryker's Peninsula: It'shiatlers all the way down.

I don't know why, but that particular filter pwnage really made me laugh.  Thanks for that.


Imagine my surprise.
It's the first time I've ever posted anything funny.
 
2013-03-01 11:53:58 PM

lohphat: doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.

Are you comparing Dachau to Manzanar?

Really?


jake_lex: Holocaust denial is so vile, so scummy, and holocaust deniers are such horrid pieces of human shiat, that it's one of the few things I just cannot joke about.


The BBC series on Hitlers attempt to eradicate the Jews that is currently showing on Netflix, in 6 episodes, will change how you look at the Holocaust forever.
I feel anger at self righteous asshats that carelessly throw around terms such as "Grammar Nazi" or "Soup Nazi" they certainly know not  of what they speak.

The biggest problem that Hitlers S.S. faced was building an efficient system to kill and dispose of the bodies of MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of men and women and children.
The ones that were allowed to live were used as slave labor and worked to DEATH.
The money and jewels and gold they stole from anyone that came into the Nazi SS killing machine was skimmed before what was left was sent to Berlin.
The murderous swine was also corrupt, how surprising.
Being sent to the concentration camps was not unique to Jews either. Political dissidence also would cause you to be arrested and sent to the camps..
 
2013-03-01 11:55:36 PM

xaks: Oh farking hell...is this "Amos" thing Tats 2.0 or something?


Calling Amos as Tats 2.0 would be the equivalent of calling me as Obama 2.0
 
2013-03-01 11:55:50 PM
mekki:
All nations invade and steal. The only reason why the Native Americans did not do the same when they invaded the lands and yes, because their Asian ancestors were as native to the Americas as their European counterparts, was because the land was empty. But as soon as their populations grew, they began invading and stealing from each other. Just look at pre-Columbian history to see this. The only thing that stopped them was the invading European forces.

You are not kidding, I have been reading some stuff about Guatemala and Mexico circa 400 AD where a major war wiped out millions.  Cities were cleaned out of all people, the cruel treatment of the prisoners made the Nazi's look like pansies.  If the men were captured alive, they were forced to watch their wives and daughters be raped before killing them on one side, and the other side would cut the man up, cook him and made his family eat him.  Neither side allowed the other to surrender, it ended with the total slaughter of one side.  The record was written by the last man of the losing side who escaped to live out his life alone.  It is amazing what archeologists are finding down there.
 
2013-03-01 11:56:29 PM
Always with the negative Hitler bashing. Way to go Fark.
 
2013-03-01 11:57:39 PM

phrawgh: Always with the negative Hitler bashing. Way to go Fark.


Nope it was correctly pointed out that Hitler heroically killed Hitler.
 
2013-03-02 12:04:12 AM

Amos Quito: I can't see where it's much different than any other religion.


Only 1/3 or 1/2 as complicated, depending on whether you believe in a trinity.

/Stupid, all of them.
 
2013-03-02 12:04:30 AM

lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.


Now that shiat's funny!
 
2013-03-02 12:06:51 AM

mekki: Name one nation that did not invade another nation for land, goods or slaves. And I am not talking about some severely isolated, obscure, miniscule tribe in the middle of the rainforest.. Just one nation.


Are you trying to tell me it's all about power/wealth?  I'M SHOCKED, SHOCKED, I SAY!
 
2013-03-02 12:07:06 AM

TV's Vinnie: Become victims of Hitler's
quest for "living space".
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Free Reign forever to create
settlements in Palestinian
          West bank.


Your love of previous generation's scapgoating does not excuse your current laziness for doing nothing. In other words, put up or shut up
 
2013-03-02 12:08:43 AM

FriarReb98: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [www.bbc.co.uk image 401x536]
[img2.timeinc.net image 399x533]

LordOfThePings: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x538][i45.tinypic.com image 358x538]

And that is quite possibly one of the greatest simulposts of all time.


I agree.  Truly remarkable.
 
2013-03-02 12:09:12 AM

St. Snuff: meyerkev: cman: doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.

This indeed. We may have not executed or starved them to death, but we were supposed to be better than that.

I have always wondered how the original 5-6 million number was the result. To me that number felt a little low; I could have sworn it would have been 10 million because of the population size of Europe. Now they believe that 15-20 million were killed. Wow.

I had always heard 6 million Jews, 6 million others with worse publicity.

Roughly 6.5 million Jews is the accepted number of those that were murdered by the Nazi regime. The higher number of 15-20 million inclusive of the other innocents that were killed at the hands and orders of the Nazis, including Gypsies, dissidents, etc...At the outset of the Holocaust, there was only about 15 million Jews in the world. Only until this last decade has the Jewish population recovered to pre-Holocaust numbers.

As for the American concentration/detainment/internment camps, while horrible in their own right, the systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.


Among whom is this accepted? (asking respectfully?). I've studied on and off for a couple years in college and grad school and have not heard an accepted figure this high. Usually seems to be in the high 5s, with six being the popularly accepted and most often quoted figure. But I could just be outdated.
 
2013-03-02 12:14:41 AM
i.imgur.com

"Bet I could eat Hitler. Yep, I'm sure of it."
 
2013-03-02 12:16:11 AM

SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)


www.ushmm.org

And yet it still won't be enough for the likes of you. To understand that tens of millions were erased from central Europe. Jews, poles, Ukrainians, Soviet POWs, gypsies, the infirm.
 
2013-03-02 12:17:53 AM

mekki: Name one nation that did not invade another nation for land, goods or slaves.


Oh please not this tired crap that justifies what the Jews do to Palestinians with what the European colonists  did to Native Americans.

The world has grown up since then. WWII was fought over colonialism and one result was that almost all colonies were given their independence. The Jewish response to WWII was to move opposite to this and colonize Palestine and try to subdue or drive out the native population. Israel is the only country that persists in moving in this anti-historical direction.
 
2013-03-02 12:18:08 AM

Xanlexian: [i112.photobucket.com image 292x720]



LOL!

Funny as hell!

/Irrelevant, but funny
 
2013-03-02 12:19:28 AM

cman: jake_lex: m00: BigLuca: It's not "The Holocaust" it's "The Holocaust Theory."

Teach the controversy.

Holocaust denial is so vile, so scummy, and holocaust deniers are such horrid pieces of human shiat, that it's one of the few things I just cannot joke about.

I sometimes feel the same way, too.

Holocaust deniers, Truthers, Birthers, Vaccineers, David Icke followers, they are terrible people.

Racism runs deep. It is still in our psyche. We may be an enlightened species, but we have a major problem, and that is our programming. What is different could be dangerous. This is a primitive emotion from where bigotry comes from. In order for us to evolve we must accept who we are so we can recognize it and control it.


So, have you confronted the demons of Byrd, Thurman, Jackson, and Sharpton yet?

/edwin stanton always seem sketchy to me
 
2013-03-02 12:21:08 AM

xaks: Oh farking hell...is this "Amos" thing Tats 2.0 or something?



LOL!

Tats is a Xionist bigot.

Put me on "ignore" the first day he saw me post.

/Punk
 
2013-03-02 12:22:27 AM

ninotchka: Alonjar: St. Snuff: systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.

I guess you arent terribly familiar with human history.  Genocide was always the order of the day... this is a very rare time in human history where genocide is frowned upon.  Its a downright anomaly, really.  You should read some eye witness accounts of the crusades some time... the nazi's were practically humane.

Crusades? Try Genghis Khan


Baghdad...the Mongols...ouch.

The rivers ran black from all the ink that washed off of books when they were thrown in the river.
 
2013-03-02 12:23:02 AM
this just in, the nazis were farking huge assholes.  duh...
 
2013-03-02 12:24:47 AM

sxacho: Atomic Spunk: sxacho: James F. Campbell: Why, pray tell?

Short story of the latest, my wife is a big facebooker. She has her friends and all that, but so one of her friends posts that bullshiat "Bill Cosby" rant about Muslims and the poor ruining America thing. So my wife responds (I'm so farking proud, I taught her to do this) "this shait ain't true, here's a link". The post was pulled in a manner of minutes and this other girl didn't speak to my wife for a week... or maybe longer, I don't know if they're talking. Everytime I've done that I've actually never been welcome to speak by the other person again.

I'm trying to follow your story, so please tell me if I understand you correctly. You're thinking it might be time to leave the US because you think some bad things will be happening soon. And one of the bad things that has happened in the US is that your wife disagreed with her friend's FB post and the friend is no longer talking to your wife. Is this what you're saying?

No. It's a small sign that I think is worth paying attention to. Your friends laying out overly patriotic, xenophobic messages that would otherwise go unchallenged among your other friends. I think that's pretty worrisome.

Little things add up to hegemony. I'd hate to be stuck is all.


Hmmm, you haven't really ever asked a Austrailian their opinion on anything, especially religion, money, politic, or beer, have you.

/hope you like being called 'mate'
 
2013-03-02 12:25:32 AM

cman: xaks: Oh farking hell...is this "Amos" thing Tats 2.0 or something?

Calling Amos as Tats 2.0 would be the equivalent of calling me as Obama 2.0



I have no idea as to your feelings toward Obama, so I don't know how to respond to that.

But being an eternal optimist, I'll take it as a compliment.

Thanks!
 
2013-03-02 12:25:39 AM
My grandfather was forced to work in a Siemens factory during the war... never got paid, Siemens still exists today, basically got off scott free.

Here's some more of those companies, including American ones

And don't forget the Bush family, who helped kickstart the second world war...
 
2013-03-02 12:26:19 AM

zerkalo: SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)

[www.ushmm.org image 640x420]

And yet it still won't be enough for the likes of you. To understand that tens of millions were erased from central Europe. Jews, poles, Ukrainians, Soviet POWs, gypsies, the infirm.


"For the likes of me"? You don't know me and don't know where I'm coming from.
That map you provided barely shows the well known camps. We had more detailed maps in 5th grade history class 40 years ago. The article talks about "30,000 slave labor camps; 1,150 Jewish ghettos; 980 concentration camps; 1,000 prisoner-of-war camps; 500 brothels filled with sex slaves". That's the map I would like to see.
 
2013-03-02 12:27:32 AM

BronyMedic: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

Hitler gets press for the way he did it. Yeah, Stalin and Mao were bad people, and they starved MILLIONS through their five year plans and "reforms", shot a bunch of people, and sent others to work camps, but they didn't have the industrialized and cold mechanism of death that the Nazis invented for the systematic extermination of groups of people who were deemed "undesirables", and the sheer monstrosity of the pseudo-scientific "human experiments" that their doctors performed at the camps.


And the really biatchin' outfits.
 
2013-03-02 12:37:12 AM
200 posts in and nobody has posted this yet? For shame

img189.imageshack.us
 
2013-03-02 12:37:36 AM

KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.


i1222.photobucket.com

???
 
2013-03-02 12:40:28 AM

Vectron: SurelyShirley: HairBolus:  The US with (now) no laws about where Jews can live still has Jewish enclaves and less formal areas such as Beverly Hills which are overwhelmingly Jewish.

Beverly Hills is actually overwhelmingly Persian Iranian Jews.


According to Wikipedia Beverly Hills is only 26% Persian now. Before the immigration wave of rich Persian Jews, Beverly Hills was overwhelmingly Jewish  (why else did the Persians move there?), and while 26% is not overwhelmingly Persian, that number plus the earlier rich Jewish doctor, dentist, mogul, and businessman numbers still make Beverly Hills overwhelmingly Jewish.
 
2013-03-02 12:44:31 AM

bmfderek: BronyMedic: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

Hitler gets press for the way he did it. Yeah, Stalin and Mao were bad people, and they starved MILLIONS through their five year plans and "reforms", shot a bunch of people, and sent others to work camps, but they didn't have the industrialized and cold mechanism of death that the Nazis invented for the systematic extermination of groups of people who were deemed "undesirables", and the sheer monstrosity of the pseudo-scientific "human experiments" that their doctors performed at the camps.

And the really biatchin' outfits.


Designed by Hugo Boss, if I recall correctly.
 
2013-03-02 12:46:26 AM

dickfreckle: Whatever happened to that troll who posted the "Obama is more Hitler than Hitler" graph? I liked that guy. Quality trolling with a sense of humor. Herp-something was his name.


That account got nuked
 
2013-03-02 12:46:29 AM

mekki: Name one nation that did not invade another nation for land, goods or slaves. And I am not talking about some severely isolated, obscure, miniscule tribe in the middle of the rainforest.. Just one nation.


Sealand!

TAKE THAT!
 
2013-03-02 12:48:11 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: LawrencePerson: Hitler and National Socialism was evil, MMmmmmmkay?

But communism killed 100,000,000 people. Hitler never even got close to that record.

So vote Republican.


Know who else had snazzy uniforms?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-02 12:49:51 AM
Badgers:  And don't forget the Bush family, who helped kickstart the second world war...

And of course by "kickstart the second world war" you mean "made a comparatively minuscule financial contribution to the Nazi coffers". In any case, if contemporary American politicians are to be judged by the real or alleged sins of their fathers, wasn't the current president's father a drunken polygamist?
 
2013-03-02 12:53:59 AM

lack of warmth: You are not kidding, I have been reading some stuff about Guatemala and Mexico circa 400 AD where a major war wiped out millions.  Cities were cleaned out of all people, the cruel treatment of the prisoners made the Nazi's look like pansies.  If the men were captured alive, they were forced to watch their wives and daughters be raped before killing them on one side, and the other side would cut the man up, cook him and made his family eat him.


I think you are in denial about the white racism that made all of this possible to begin with... check your privilege, bigot.
 
2013-03-02 12:57:19 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-02 12:57:58 AM

I should be in the kitchen: I, like many people, have a habit of using words like ghetto and Nazi casually, without a thought to their horrible origins.

I try to be conscious of this, but doing so requires too much concentration.


So, how big is the oven. In your kitchen.

/i like to cook suckling pigs
 
2013-03-02 01:03:58 AM
I'm just glad those maven mentsh noodges did all the shlepping for me, feh!
 
2013-03-02 01:05:23 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Badgers:  And don't forget the Bush family, who helped kickstart the second world war...

And of course by "kickstart the second world war" you mean "made a comparatively minuscule financial contribution to the Nazi coffers". In any case, if contemporary American politicians are to be judged by the real or alleged sins of their fathers, wasn't the current president's father a drunken polygamist?


I shouldn't really be replying to your obvious troll account, but you're deluding yourself when you think it was "miniscule". Also, Obama didn't ride his grandfather's coattails to the presidency.
 
2013-03-02 01:12:11 AM

jake_lex: m00: BigLuca: It's not "The Holocaust" it's "The Holocaust Theory."

Teach the controversy.

Holocaust denial is so vile, so scummy, and holocaust deniers are such horrid pieces of human shiat, that it's one of the few things I just cannot joke about.


My algebra teacher's brother was in WW2 and was one of the first troops that came upon (Can't remember which one) one of the big camps and helped free the prisoners.

She said he was never the same and would never discuss what he saw.  Man's inhumanity to man...
 
2013-03-02 01:23:24 AM

Badgers: I shouldn't really be replying to your obvious troll account, but you're deluding yourself when you think it was "miniscule".


OK, so what exactly was the total financial contribution in absolute or percentage terms of the Bush family to Nazi Germany? Come on, this is your chance to embarrass the "obvious troll" (i.e., the random stranger on the internet who dares to disagree with your infallible opinion).

Also, Obama didn't ride his grandfather's coattails to the presidency.


I didn't know it was possible to ride on coattails at all. Is this bizarre metaphor meant to be taken literally? Are we supposed to imagine George W. Bush holding on for dear life to the "coattails" of a grandfather who died 28 years before he was elected President? If you are saying that Prescott Bush's money and influence made it possible for his grandson to be elected president, this is doubtless true but -- so what? There are other wealthy dynasties in American politics, including Democratic ones such as the Kennedys, the Gores and (more recently) the Clintons. For that matter, Obama did at least partially rely on his father's reputation in his bid for the presidency -- why else would he have entitled his autobiography "Dreams from my Father"? No, you don't really give a damn about the concentration of power and influence in American politics among a few affluent families -- you just want to smear a retired Republican politician using the primitive concept of inherited guilt.
 
2013-03-02 01:25:36 AM

SurelyShirley: HairBolus:  The US with (now) no laws about where Jews can live still has Jewish enclaves and less formal areas such as Beverly Hills which are overwhelmingly Jewish.

Beverly Hills is actually overwhelmingly Persian.
The Jews migrated north to Encino and the like.


Suddenly the whole Israel/Iran hostility makes sense.
 
2013-03-02 01:27:50 AM

notmtwain: LawrencePerson: Hitler and National Socialism was evil, MMmmmmmkay?

But communism killed 100,000,000 people. Hitler never even got close to that record.


I'm not familiar with that number. Did you just make it up?


The Great Leap Forward killed somewhere between 18 and 32 million from starvation, Stalin intentionally starved 2-7 million in the Ukraine, and we're up to 30+ million from starvation in those two incidents alone.
 
2013-03-02 01:29:28 AM
I hate these threads.  It's so hard to tell who is a troll and who is really that farked in the head.
 
2013-03-02 01:36:18 AM
chrylis: The Great Leap Forward killed somewhere between 18 and 32 million from starvation, Stalin intentionally starved 2-7 million in the Ukraine, and we're up to 30+ million from starvation in those two incidents alone.

Yeah, but it was all ultimately in the cause of social justice so really it was OK... remember, "no enemies on the Left". Anyway, we all know that Communism couldn't possibly have killed dozens of millions of innocent people because we were never taught that in public school.
 
2013-03-02 02:16:18 AM

Badgers: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Badgers:  And don't forget the Bush family, who helped kickstart the second world war...

And of course by "kickstart the second world war" you mean "made a comparatively minuscule financial contribution to the Nazi coffers". In any case, if contemporary American politicians are to be judged by the real or alleged sins of their fathers, wasn't the current president's father a drunken polygamist?

I shouldn't really be replying to your obvious troll account, but you're deluding yourself when you think it was "miniscule". Also, Obama didn't ride his grandfather's coattails to the presidency.


And yet you, after looking at their profile, continued to engage.

/no, i am not laughing with you
//but i am laughing
 
2013-03-02 02:19:20 AM
But these sites, infamous though they are, represent only a minuscule fraction of the entire German network, the new research makes painfully clear.

Those Germans, always so efficient and industrious.
 
2013-03-02 02:43:29 AM
I read in Wiki that Tammerlane killed 5% of the planets population during his wars , also that he was a muslim.He also invented a neat chess variant.
 
2013-03-02 02:44:02 AM
Obama drinks the cum of Reggie Love and the banking cabal and the oligarchical collectivist. He is a cum guzzling fairy piece of spineless traitor HUMAN GARBAGE.
 
2013-03-02 02:58:49 AM
googlingtheholocaust.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-02 03:07:47 AM
Oy vey, such anger.
 
2013-03-02 03:08:42 AM

Jarhead_h: [googlingtheholocaust.files.wordpress.com image 800x677]


I'm thinking it's a huge stretch to say that without IBM the holocaust could have never happened. Germany produced some very advanced early digital computer and analogue computing devices during the course of World War II well enough on their own.

The Germans were also world leaders in cryptography. ULTRA, ENIGMA, and the like.
 
2013-03-02 03:11:35 AM

BronyMedic: The Germans were also world leaders in cryptography. ULTRA, ENIGMA, and the like.


Weren't that good: we (allies) broke 'em all, by hook or by crook.
 
2013-03-02 03:12:12 AM

Nefarious: phrawgh: Always with the negative Hitler bashing. Way to go Fark.

Nope it was correctly pointed out that Hitler heroically killed Hitler.


after he was bitten by a moose.
 
2013-03-02 03:13:41 AM

crabsno termites: Weren't that good: we (allies) broke 'em all, by hook or by crook.


Mostly crook. God Bless the SAS and OSS. For all their advancements, the Germans were horrific at OpSec, and gullable as all get-out. It's what arrogance will get you.

Operation Mincemeat is a great example of this. The Germans didn't lose Fortress Europe because Hilter was just micromanaging, but was totally mislead as well.
 
2013-03-02 03:21:21 AM

BronyMedic: crabsno termites: Weren't that good: we (allies) broke 'em all, by hook or by crook.

Mostly crook. God Bless the SAS and OSS. For all their advancements, the Germans were horrific at OpSec, and gullable as all get-out. It's what arrogance will get you.

Operation Mincemeat is a great example of this. The Germans didn't lose Fortress Europe because Hilter was just micromanaging, but was totally mislead as well.


Who cares how?  We won.

/It's gullible, with an "i"
 
2013-03-02 03:24:02 AM

crabsno termites: BronyMedic:


BTW, you're generally labelled as somewhat of a troll, but I just think you're half crazy.

/As I always say, "We're all half crazy, it's just a different half for each of us."

//Chers, my friend.
 
2013-03-02 03:26:38 AM

crabsno termites: Who cares how? We won.

/It's gullible, with an "i"


The why and how are much more interesting than the who, personally.
 
2013-03-02 03:29:43 AM

crabsno termites: BTW, you're generally labelled as somewhat of a troll, but I just think you're half crazy.


I just laugh at them, especially when I've been here longer than any of them that generally accuse me of that.

At any rate, you're a bad enough dude to rescue the president and all. I'd buy you a beer sometime.
 
2013-03-02 03:31:30 AM

BronyMedic: crabsno termites: Who cares how? We won.

/It's gullible, with an "i"

The why and how are much more interesting than the who, personally.


Yes, have studied in depth, but the pragmatist in me says who cares.  Does the end justify the means?  Sometimes.  Who decides?  Me.  On what basis?  Experience and belief in my own morality.

/fark the rest of you.
//Lawn  . . .
 
2013-03-02 03:56:37 AM

crabsno termites: /It's gullible, with an "i"


gullable is a perfectly acceptable alternative spelling.

If you don't believe me, look it up in the dictionary.
 
2013-03-02 04:06:49 AM

Happy Hours: If you don't believe me, look it up in the dictionary.


Don't believe you; ain't gonna look it up.  Third gin & tonic.  Will, however, believe that you are honourable and accept your total illiteracy.

/British spelling intentional.
 
2013-03-02 04:17:09 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Lt. Cheese Weasel: HindiDiscoMonster: ISO15693: lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.

something something gun control something...

This would not have happened if everyone had concealed Hitlers to defend themselves.

thanks... i couldn't think of anything good at the time...

/sick as a dog
//got a fever of a hundred and three


.\\ Come on, Baby, do you do more than dance?
 
2013-03-02 05:53:19 AM
Stalin and Chairman Mao both scoff at Hitlers low body count
 
2013-03-02 05:55:33 AM

notmtwain: You Hitler defenders must admit that Stalin and communism killed Nazi Germany, so at least they have that going for them.


Joe and Karl killed Nazi Germany?
 
2013-03-02 05:59:21 AM

digitalrain: Atomic Spunk: [img.dailymail.co.uk image 468x551]
snickers at Hitler's body count

By the way, I while looking for the picture above, I learned that Stalin was quite handsome when he was young:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x672]

Young Stalin was a hipster? Who knew???


oi47.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-02 06:02:10 AM

Jarhead_h: [googlingtheholocaust.files.wordpress.com image 800x677]



Interestingly, Stanley Kubrick was said to have based his HAL computer in the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" on IBM as a subtle jab against it for its role in the Holocaust. (Kubrick denied the connection, but when you see the letters "IBM" written on much of the spaceship equipment, you know he was probably lying.)

Here's a site with more info:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/01/07/hal_9000_ibm_theory_s ta nley_kubrick_letters_shed_new_light_on_old_debate.html
 
2013-03-02 07:12:34 AM

mekki: Honest to God, Subby, I was expecting an article about cannibalism. Because knowing all the stuff the Nazis did, cannibalism would the only thing that could make it worse.

doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.

Canada also had them for the same reason. I recently learned this. How they've been able to keep this under wraps compared to America, I have no idea.


What I found interesting about Canada's 'concentration' camps(I Really don't think that name applies, since people weren't forced to work, abd the conditions weren't in the same league) is that they also tossed Jewish refugees in with the Japanese, Italians and Germans.
 
2013-03-02 07:24:02 AM

sxacho: Lately I've taken to asking my wife (a bit of a historian), usually casually, but fairly often as of late, when did the smart people begin leaving Germany before WWII?

Because a bunch of people left because shiat had gotten BAD. I'm starting to feel that shiat is getting BAD here in the US. But she won't even get her passport.

/engineering jobs with 100k signing bonus and 100k/yr in Sydney


You aren't one of the smart people.
 
2013-03-02 07:28:48 AM

liam76: You aren't one of the smart people.


Aren't these the same people who, when Bush was in office, were spouting about "LOVE AMERICA OR LEAVE IT"?
 
2013-03-02 07:40:50 AM

chrylis: notmtwain: LawrencePerson: Hitler and National Socialism was evil, MMmmmmmkay?

But communism killed 100,000,000 people. Hitler never even got close to that record.


I'm not familiar with that number. Did you just make it up?

The Great Leap Forward killed somewhere between 18 and 32 million from starvation, Stalin intentionally starved 2-7 million in the Ukraine, and we're up to 30+ million from starvation in those two incidents alone.


I think Hitler is and should be get more headlines on the topic of genocide because of how it was more "insdustrial" and direct.

Starving people could be partially blamed on incompetence and the thought that "peasants" always held back food.
 
2013-03-02 07:55:40 AM
Stalin did it so non nonchalantly, it's almost cute.
 
2013-03-02 09:36:58 AM

enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.


A 19 digit number, and yet no 9?  Nein 9?
 
2013-03-02 09:41:21 AM
A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.
 
2013-03-02 09:45:30 AM

SurelyShirley: A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.


That's a fantastic movie.

"Well then, this is the moment to be... practical, until such time as Germany can afford your philosophy, which is what? Hound them, impoverish them, exploit them, imprison them, just do not kill them. And you are God's noblest of men. I find that, uh, truly remarkable. "
 
2013-03-02 10:03:45 AM

SurelyShirley: A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.


I blame that movie for sparking my love of World War II history. I watched it my Sophomore year of high school when it was first released on HBO, and I was shocked - horrified - at how cold and calculating the manner of exterminating millions of people was treated.
 
2013-03-02 10:16:04 AM

BigLuca: It's not "The Holocaust" it's "The Holocaust Theory."


A theory has to have been proven at least once. Otherwise it is a hypothesis.
 
2013-03-02 11:03:22 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: HindiDiscoMonster: ISO15693: lifeboat: Say what you will about Hitler, but at least he killed Hitler.

Yes but he also killed the guy who killed hitler.

something something gun control something...

This would not have happened if everyone had concealed Hitlers to defend themselves.


There's a fuhrer in my pants and he's happy to see you.
 
2013-03-02 11:06:00 AM
So if Hitler won the war.........
 
2013-03-02 12:09:06 PM

Deep Contact: So if Hitler won the war.........


Sie Stalin Verteidiger muss zugeben, dass Hitler und nacism Sowjetunion getötet, so zumindest haben sie, dass sich für sie.
 
2013-03-02 12:50:50 PM

LewDux: Deep Contact: So if Hitler won the war.........

Sie Stalin Verteidiger muss zugeben, dass Hitler und nacism Sowjetunion getötet, so zumindest haben sie, dass sich für sie.


Of course, they only did it because we enabled it.
 
2013-03-02 01:51:32 PM
"just about any nasty event can be linked to a Jew in one way or another."

-- vygramul - 2013-03-02 08:37:21 AM

Wow dude.. just... WOW.

/Farking context
//How does it work?
///Or does it?
 
2013-03-02 01:56:51 PM

doglover: America had concentration camps, too. It was the soup du jour of warfare to arrest citizens for the crime of ethnicity.


So did Canada and a number of our other allies.

It was all the rage at the time.

No soup for you.
 
2013-03-02 03:19:22 PM

St. Snuff: As for the American concentration/detainment/internment camps, while horrible in their own right, the systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.


Wouldn't the genocides in Rwanda, Bosnia, or Darfur be comparable?
 
2013-03-02 03:25:02 PM

Galileo's Daughter: St. Snuff: As for the American concentration/detainment/internment camps, while horrible in their own right, the systematic genocide of millions by the Nazis is incomparable to any other act by man in history.

Wouldn't the genocides in Rwanda, Bosnia, or Darfur be comparable?


The genocide of Hitler is probably the most horrifying.  The organized, disciplined approach to it, the emotional detachment, it's scary.  At some level, all genocides are pretty horrible, whether it's the Turkish genocide of Armenians, or Stalin's genocide of Ukrainians, or German genocide of the Nama or Herero.  They're all horrible, but none have the absolute methodical purposefulness of the Holocaust.  Pol Pot comes close, but still the intent wasn't quite the same.
 
2013-03-02 03:30:17 PM

hardinparamedic: SurelyShirley: A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.

I blame that movie for sparking my love of World War II history. I watched it my Sophomore year of high school when it was first released on HBO, and I was shocked - horrified - at how cold and calculating the manner of exterminating millions of people was treated.


Also of interest because it's one of the few movies I've ever seen where Kenneth Branagh puts his considerable charm to use playing a bad guy.
 
2013-03-02 03:35:19 PM

Sairobi: hardinparamedic: SurelyShirley: A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.

I blame that movie for sparking my love of World War II history. I watched it my Sophomore year of high school when it was first released on HBO, and I was shocked - horrified - at how cold and calculating the manner of exterminating millions of people was treated.

Also of interest because it's one of the few movies I've ever seen where Kenneth Branagh puts his considerable charm to use playing a bad guy.


Stanley Tucci was pretty frightening as well.  Ian McNiece was good as Klopfer.  And I liked the guy who played Major Lange.

I do suffer some moral outrage at how some of these guys effectively got away with it, like Klopfer and General Hofmann of the Race and Resettlement Office.
 
2013-03-02 03:54:28 PM

vygramul: I do suffer some moral outrage at how some of these guys effectively got away with it, like Klopfer and General Hofmann of the Race and Resettlement Office.


Well, you can take solace in the fact that many others of them died. Not very well, if you read the transcripts of the Nuremburg Executions. Almost all of them were botched, slow strangulation hangings.
 
2013-03-02 03:55:31 PM

Jarhead_h: [googlingtheholocaust.files.wordpress.com image 800x677]


There used to be an IBM card machine at the front of the US Holocaust Museum. I can't imagine why it was removed...
 
2013-03-02 05:30:50 PM

zerkalo: SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)

[www.ushmm.org image 640x420]

And yet it still won't be enough for the likes of you. To understand that tens of millions were erased from central Europe. Jews, poles, Ukrainians, Soviet POWs, gypsies, the infirm.


My grandma spent WWII in a labor camp (Pole).  This is not ITG bragging; if I meet anyone who tells me that that camp didn't exist, in real life, I will punch them in the face.
 
2013-03-02 05:37:19 PM

Amos Quito: "just about any nasty event can be linked to a Jew in one way or another."

-- vygramul - 2013-03-02 08:37:21 AM

Wow dude.. just... WOW.

/Farking context
//How does it work?
///Or does it?


Yes, we know you took that out of context, yet every bit if trivia, knowledge, or pictures you post are all in the context of 'Jews r bad'.
 
2013-03-02 05:41:34 PM

vygramul: SurelyShirley: A recommended movie about the subject:
Conspiracy
While it only shows the Wannsee Conference, and not any graphic scenes from the camps, it certainly conveys the true evil of the Holocaust's masterminds.

That's a fantastic movie.

"Well then, this is the moment to be... practical, until such time as Germany can afford your philosophy, which is what? Hound them, impoverish them, exploit them, imprison them, just do not kill them. And you are God's noblest of men. I find that, uh, truly remarkable. "


There is a paper I can't recall the name of that is used as an example in some technical writing classes. You can read it, get the basics if tge items operation, know the item works, yet have no idea it was a paper about a vehicle designed to kill Jews and unwanted that were 'traveling' in the back.
 
2013-03-02 05:55:13 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: zerkalo: SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)

[www.ushmm.org image 640x420]

And yet it still won't be enough for the likes of you. To understand that tens of millions were erased from central Europe. Jews, poles, Ukrainians, Soviet POWs, gypsies, the infirm.

My grandma spent WWII in a labor camp (Pole).  This is not ITG bragging; if I meet anyone who tells me that that camp didn't exist, in real life, I will punch them in the face.


Oh, don't get me wrong. I know they existed and I've been to some. I've studied plenty about it in school, saw countless documentaries, but seeing a concentration camp in person, is far beyond anything I've experienced.
My issue with the statement, they "they were everywhere"  along with "the findings left no doubt in his mind that many German citizens, despite the frequent claims of ignorance after the war, must have known about the widespread existence of the Nazi camps at the time." is, that I'm pretty certain it's not true.
If you count every police station or outpost as a camp, maybe. The map in the NYT article shows numerous gray dots without names or towns or further information. I've spent more than two decades living in a few countries in Europe and I think I know the place and its people fairly well. My family (parents, grandparents etc), just like everyone else's over there, has been directly affected by WWII in various ways.
I simply do not believe those statements made in the article and unless they can show proof and name names, I'll keep it in the propaganda file.
 
2013-03-02 05:58:14 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: zerkalo: SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)

[www.ushmm.org image 640x420]

And yet it still won't be enough for the likes of you. To understand that tens of millions were erased from central Europe. Jews, poles, Ukrainians, Soviet POWs, gypsies, the infirm.

My grandma spent WWII in a labor camp (Pole).  This is not ITG bragging; if I meet anyone who tells me that that camp didn't exist, in real life, I will punch them in the face.



Which camp?
 
2013-03-02 06:01:11 PM

SurelyShirley: StreetlightInTheGhetto: zerkalo: SurelyShirley: "You literally could not go anywhere in Germany without running into forced labor camps, P.O.W. camps, concentration camps," he said. "They were everywhere."

I would like to see a map with names and exact locations of all those camps. Not just a 100x100 pixel thumbnail with a bunch of gray dots on it. I wonder what's behind these "new discoveries"? Oh wait, the German economy is doing better than most, let's just hit 'em up for more Deutsch Marks or Euros or whatever can pay our bills (to build more condos on Palestinian territory)

[www.ushmm.org image 640x420]

And yet it still won't be enough for the likes of you. To understand that tens of millions were erased from central Europe. Jews, poles, Ukrainians, Soviet POWs, gypsies, the infirm.

My grandma spent WWII in a labor camp (Pole).  This is not ITG bragging; if I meet anyone who tells me that that camp didn't exist, in real life, I will punch them in the face.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I know they existed and I've been to some. I've studied plenty about it in school, saw countless documentaries, but seeing a concentration camp in person, is far beyond anything I've experienced.
My issue with the statement, they "they were everywhere"  along with "the findings left no doubt in his mind that many German citizens, despite the frequent claims of ignorance after the war, must have known about the widespread existence of the Nazi camps at the time." is, that I'm pretty certain it's not true.
If you count every police station or outpost as a camp, maybe. The map in the NYT article shows numerous gray dots without names or towns or further information. I've spent more than two decades living in a few countries in Europe and I think I know the place and its people fairly well. My family (parents, grandparents etc), just like everyone else's over there, has been directly affected by WWII in various ways.
I simply do not believe those statements made in the article and unl ...


I asked my grandmother, who had fled Lithuania with my grandfather and aunt (and pregnant with my father) when the Soviets came in '40, when she first heard of the camps.  She said that it didn't take long for some of her friends' husbands to start talking about them but that no one believed them.  Germans may not have had direct knowledge of them, but they had probably heard rumors.
 
2013-03-02 06:11:14 PM

vygramul: I asked my grandmother, who had fled Lithuania with my grandfather and aunt (and pregnant with my father) when the Soviets came in '40, when she first heard of the camps



They fled Lithuania? To where did they flee?

And why would they flee the Soviets? I thought they were our allies - you know, "the good guys"?
 
2013-03-02 06:56:47 PM

BronyMedic: Jarhead_h: [googlingtheholocaust.files.wordpress.com image 800x677]

I'm thinking it's a huge stretch to say that without IBM the holocaust could have never happened. Germany produced some very advanced early digital computer and analogue computing devices during the course of World War II well enough on their own.

The Germans were also world leaders in cryptography. ULTRA, ENIGMA, and the like.


And yet we farked them up by simply speaking a language no Germans spoke.
 
2013-03-02 07:54:56 PM

enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.


damn that liberal media....wait, liberal isnt quite right....

BronyMedic: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

Hitler gets press for the way he did it. Yeah, Stalin and Mao were bad people, and they starved MILLIONS through their five year plans and "reforms", shot a bunch of people, and sent others to work camps, but they didn't have the industrialized and cold mechanism of death that the Nazis invented for the systematic extermination of groups of people who were deemed "undesirables", and the sheer monstrosity of the pseudo-scientific "human experiments" that their doctors performed at the camps.


Yeah....thats why.
 
2013-03-02 08:43:31 PM

namegoeshere: And yet we farked them up by simply speaking a language no Germans spoke.


You mean the codetalkers? That's a truly messed up situation right there. US needs to beat the germans because the germans are exterminating an entire race of people so who do we get to help? Indians, who's entire race was virtually exterminated by the US. The Aristocrats!
 
2013-03-02 11:44:37 PM

James F. Campbell: sxacho: James F. Campbell: Why, pray tell?

Short story of the latest, my wife is a big facebooker. She has her friends and all that, but so one of her friends posts that bullshiat "Bill Cosby" rant about Muslims and the poor ruining America thing. So my wife responds (I'm so farking proud, I taught her to do this) "this shait ain't true, here's a link". The post was pulled in a manner of minutes and this other girl didn't speak to my wife for a week... or maybe longer, I don't know if they're talking. Everytime I've done that I've actually never been welcome to speak by the other person again.

Ah. I thought you were going to blame Obama.


THAT would be.... unpatriotic.
 
2013-03-03 12:06:48 AM

Badgers: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Badgers:  And don't forget the Bush family, who helped kickstart the second world war...

And of course by "kickstart the second world war" you mean "made a comparatively minuscule financial contribution to the Nazi coffers". In any case, if contemporary American politicians are to be judged by the real or alleged sins of their fathers, wasn't the current president's father a drunken polygamist?

I shouldn't really be replying to your obvious troll account, but you're deluding yourself when you think it was "miniscule". Also, Obama didn't ride his grandfather's coattails to the presidency.


So.... you disagree with him which means he's a troll. Got it. Nice, easy way of "winning" a debate.
 
2013-03-03 12:58:59 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So.... you disagree with him which means he's a troll. Got it. Nice, easy way of "winning" a debate.


He states in his profile he's a concern troll.

If you don't want to be called a troll, don't claim to be one.
 
2013-03-03 01:11:46 PM

hardinparamedic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So.... you disagree with him which means he's a troll. Got it. Nice, easy way of "winning" a debate.

He states in his profile he's a concern troll.

If you don't want to be called a troll, don't claim to be one.


He does? Really?

"Bio:"Religion may have been the opiate of the masses at one time but nowadays, politics is -- especially the kind of leftish politics where you get to moralize, exult in your presumed self- righteousness and to condemn people who disagree with you as heretics; in other words, to behave just like a Christian but without having to worry that God is watching you be an asshole." -- meMy UsernamePlease note, my username is meant to be ironic, i.e. taking the piss out of the moronic left-wingers who lacking any semblance of rational argument can only offer the same old tired insults. If you reply to my posts -- in your emasculated kazoo voice, and with your hipster pigeon chest huffing in righteous indignation -- by saying something like "I see your username is well chosen", then you've missed the point and, more importantly, you've clowned yourself, you brainless PC drone."
Where?

As you point out in your own profile: "Because someone calls you out and dissects your argument on - well, whatever - in a way that is factually accurate, and forces you to backpedal or further explain your belief in something, that does not make them a troll. That's actually what adults call debate. You precious little flower you."

Seems to me that he's simply being heavily sarcastic, and doing exactly what I have bolded above.
 
2013-03-03 05:41:22 PM

Jarhead_h: [googlingtheholocaust.files.wordpress.com image 800x677]


Black wrote another outstanding book called 'War Against the Weak'. It illustrates how the American eugenics model inspired the Third Reich.
 
2013-03-03 07:52:16 PM

Frederick: enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.

damn that liberal media....wait, liberal isnt quite right....

BronyMedic: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

Hitler gets press for the way he did it. Yeah, Stalin and Mao were bad people, and they starved MILLIONS through their five year plans and "reforms", shot a bunch of people, and sent others to work camps, but they didn't have the industrialized and cold mechanism of death that the Nazis invented for the systematic extermination of groups of people who were deemed "undesirables", and the sheer monstrosity of the pseudo-scientific "human experiments" that their doctors performed at the camps.

Yeah....thats why.


Why don't you fill us in on why?

Or do you just want people to ask questions, like you do with the holocaust.
 
2013-03-03 08:24:56 PM

liam76: Frederick: enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.

damn that liberal media....wait, liberal isnt quite right....

BronyMedic: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

Hitler gets press for the way he did it. Yeah, Stalin and Mao were bad people, and they starved MILLIONS through their five year plans and "reforms", shot a bunch of people, and sent others to work camps, but they didn't have the industrialized and cold mechanism of death that the Nazis invented for the systematic extermination of groups of people who were deemed "undesirables", and the sheer monstrosity of the pseudo-scientific "human experiments" that their doctors performed at the camps.

Yeah....thats why.

Why don't you fill us in on why?

Or do you just want people to ask questions, like you do with the holocaust.


I think it's a good idea to ask questions of history.  Why do you wish to avoid it?
 
2013-03-03 11:46:25 PM

Frederick: liam76: Frederick: enik: Oh hey it's only the 1,456,333,546,788,443,557th article on the Holocuast.

damn that liberal media....wait, liberal isnt quite right....

BronyMedic: KrispyKritter: there were people of governments that killed far more but Hitler gets all the press. it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

Hitler gets press for the way he did it. Yeah, Stalin and Mao were bad people, and they starved MILLIONS through their five year plans and "reforms", shot a bunch of people, and sent others to work camps, but they didn't have the industrialized and cold mechanism of death that the Nazis invented for the systematic extermination of groups of people who were deemed "undesirables", and the sheer monstrosity of the pseudo-scientific "human experiments" that their doctors performed at the camps.

Yeah....thats why.

Why don't you fill us in on why?

Or do you just want people to ask questions, like you do with the holocaust.

I think it's a good idea to ask questions of history.  Why do you wish to avoid it?


Pretty much an established fact that history is written by the winners. That, in itself, should make such inquiries legitimate.
 
2013-03-04 12:00:02 AM
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Hmmmm..... nice to know that the mods are occasionally fair. The jackass threw out the "alt" accusation.
 
2013-03-04 06:52:34 AM

Frederick: liam76: Frederick: Yeah....thats why.

Why don't you fill us in on why?

Or do you just want people to ask questions, like you do with the holocaust.

I think it's a good idea to ask questions of history.  Why do you wish to avoid it?


As I guessed you won't fill us in on why you think Hitler's Indutrial methods of genocide isn't what gets him remembered.  Is that because if you spell out why you think he is it will make your bigotry to clear?

It is a good idea to ask questions if you are ignorant, think something is wrong, or there is something you don't understand.  If you are trying to deny basic accepted facts of the holocaust with no evidence to back you up, as you do, then no that isn't a good thing.
 
2013-03-04 08:11:09 AM

liam76: Frederick: liam76: Frederick: Yeah....thats why.

Why don't you fill us in on why?

Or do you just want people to ask questions, like you do with the holocaust.

I think it's a good idea to ask questions of history.  Why do you wish to avoid it?

As I guessed you won't fill us in on why you think Hitler's Indutrial methods of genocide isn't what gets him remembered.  Is that because if you spell out why you think he is it will make your bigotry to clear?

It is a good idea to ask questions if you are ignorant, think something is wrong, or there is something you don't understand.  If you are trying to deny basic accepted facts of the holocaust with no evidence to back you up, as you do, then no that isn't a good thing.


Your vendetta against me is misplaced and unhealthy.

IMO, Hitler gets the press due to the amount of Jewish representation in western media.

Are you going to tell me I'm wrong, and smear me as anti Semitic?
 
2013-03-04 08:28:14 AM

Frederick: liam76: Frederick: liam76: Frederick: Yeah....thats why.

Why don't you fill us in on why?

Or do you just want people to ask questions, like you do with the holocaust.

I think it's a good idea to ask questions of history.  Why do you wish to avoid it?

As I guessed you won't fill us in on why you think Hitler's Indutrial methods of genocide isn't what gets him remembered.  Is that because if you spell out why you think he is it will make your bigotry to clear?

It is a good idea to ask questions if you are ignorant, think something is wrong, or there is something you don't understand.  If you are trying to deny basic accepted facts of the holocaust with no evidence to back you up, as you do, then no that isn't a good thing.

Your vendetta against me is misplaced and unhealthy.

IMO, Hitler gets the press due to the amount of Jewish representation in western media.

Are you going to tell me I'm wrong, and smear me as anti Semitic?


Vendetta against you?  I call out anyone questions that the holocaust happened.

You ignore the uniquiness of the attempted genocide by Hitler (industrial scale, border crossing, "cutting edge" technology) and instead attribute it's fame to jews power in the media.  I don't think I need to "smear" you as anything, your words make that case for you.
 
2013-03-04 09:52:49 AM

liam76: Amos Quito: "just about any nasty event can be linked to a Jew in one way or another."

-- vygramul - 2013-03-02 08:37:21 AM

Wow dude.. just... WOW.

/Farking context
//How does it work?
///Or does it?

Yes, we know you took that out of context, yet every bit if trivia, knowledge, or pictures you post are all in the context of 'Jews r bad'.


Hey, that's not true at all! He also posts plenty of "Blacks are bad" stuff, too
 
2013-03-04 12:41:41 PM

Frederick: Your vendetta against me is misplaced and unhealthy.

IMO, Hitler gets the press due to the amount of Jewish representation in western media.

Are you going to tell me I'm wrong, and smear me as anti Semitic?


Wow.

Just. Just Wow. Holocaust Apologetics.

I applaud you for having the gall to stand behind your beliefs and not hide them, no matter how vile and indefensible they are. At least you have principles at being willing to admit to something that heinous.
 
2013-03-04 12:43:40 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: liam76: Amos Quito: "just about any nasty event can be linked to a Jew in one way or another."

-- vygramul - 2013-03-02 08:37:21 AM

Wow dude.. just... WOW.

/Farking context
//How does it work?
///Or does it?

Yes, we know you took that out of context, yet every bit if trivia, knowledge, or pictures you post are all in the context of 'Jews r bad'.

Hey, that's not true at all! He also posts plenty of "Blacks are bad" stuff, too


Careful, he may try and get that post deleted.


hardinparamedic: Frederick: Your vendetta against me is misplaced and unhealthy.

IMO, Hitler gets the press due to the amount of Jewish representation in western media.

Are you going to tell me I'm wrong, and smear me as anti Semitic?

Wow.

Just. Just Wow. Holocaust Apologetics.

I applaud you for having the gall to stand behind your beliefs and not hide them, no matter how vile and indefensible they are. At least you have principles at being willing to admit to something that heinous.


He wouldn't have come out and said it unless challenged.
 
2013-03-04 06:29:31 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: liam76: Amos Quito: "just about any nasty event can be linked to a Jew in one way or another."

-- vygramul - 2013-03-02 08:37:21 AM

Wow dude.. just... WOW.

/Farking context
//How does it work?
///Or does it?

Yes, we know you took that out of context, yet every bit if trivia, knowledge, or pictures you post are all in the context of 'Jews r bad'.

Hey, that's not true at all! He also posts plenty of "Blacks are bad" stuff, too


He's quite the prize, isn't he?
 
2013-03-04 06:49:10 PM

vygramul: He's quite the prize, isn't he?


No, he's not true and proud about it. Turns tail and runs whenever confronted. He hides behind his wording and pretends we're the "Real Racists(TM)" whenever he's called out on it.
 
2013-03-04 09:12:51 PM

hardinparamedic: Frederick: Your vendetta against me is misplaced and unhealthy.

IMO, Hitler gets the press due to the amount of Jewish representation in western media.

Are you going to tell me I'm wrong, and smear me as anti Semitic?

Wow.

Just. Just Wow. Holocaust Apologetics.

I applaud you for having the gall to stand behind your beliefs and not hide them, no matter how vile and indefensible they are. At least you have principles at being willing to admit to something that heinous.


What have I said that was vile, indefensible or heinous?

Mean while you expect a free pass at slander, lies, accusations and insults.

I've not stooped to that level.
 
2013-03-04 10:07:33 PM

Frederick: What have I said that was vile, indefensible or heinous?

Mean while you expect a free pass at slander, lies, accusations and insults.

I've not stooped to that level.


No, you've just suggested that the reason Hitler is brought to light as a "bad guy", while in your imaginary world other acts of genocide get a pass is because of "Jewish Control of the Media", namely - a conspiracy theory. And not other reasons.

Own what you believe, as indefensible as it might be.

Frederick: IMO, Hitler gets the press due to the amount of Jewish representation in western media.

 
2013-03-05 06:20:21 AM

hardinparamedic: Frederick: What have I said that was vile, indefensible or heinous?

Mean while you expect a free pass at slander, lies, accusations and insults.

I've not stooped to that level.

No, you've just suggested that the reason Hitler is brought to light as a "bad guy", while in your imaginary world other acts of genocide get a pass is because of "Jewish Control of the Media", namely - a conspiracy theory. And not other reasons.

Own what you believe, as indefensible as it might be.

Frederick: IMO, Hitler gets the press due to the amount of Jewish representation in western media.


Do you realize how much you had to add to get the effect you want?

I didn't say the things you claim. If you stop projecting phantom meanings onto my words you might not get so offended.

Maybe you didn't read the thread and notice how many others have also mentioned the flood of articles pertaining to the Holocaust as opposed to other genocides. My explanation for it is based simply on logic. And many people agree; people like Jon Stewart, for example

You can disagree. But the fact that you feel the need to insult, slander, and accuse suggests you have an agenda to control the message by attacking the messenger.
 
2013-03-05 07:03:08 AM

Frederick: I didn't say the things you claim. If you stop projecting phantom meanings onto my words you might not get so offended.


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Then please. Spell it out for us. If you're not intending to promote a conspiracy theory, then explain how "Jewish Control of the Media" means that the Holocaust and Hitler are popularized, while the acts of other dictatorships and genocide are minimized.

I'm anxious to hear more than a sentence on your beliefs. Don't be vague if you don't want to be taken that way.

Frederick: Maybe you didn't read the thread and notice how many others have also mentioned the flood of articles pertaining to the Holocaust as opposed to other genocides.


Or, it could have to do with the fact that the Holocaust is one of the most well documented atrocities in the history of humanity thanks to the Nazi's meticulous obsession with legalism and the keeping of records. We know down to how much the net worth of every person that entered the gas chambers "donated" to the war effort even, thanks to this.

There is NO shortage of research material on the Holocaust thanks to this, unlike acts such as the Holodomor and the Khimer Rouge. The reason it is so popularized and the message of it so well known is not because of some cabal promoting it over the other genocides of the 20th century, but rather because any idiot can write an academic-grade paper about it thanks to the overabundance of factual information.

Frederick: My explanation for it is based simply on logic.


See above. Simple logic - combined with historical knowledge conveyed to a 5th grader - would dictate there is a reason OTHER than "Jewish control of the media" that the holocaust is so well known and publicized so disproportionately. We have estimates from how many Stalin starved and had murdered during his reign, we have  estimates of how many intellectuals Pol Pot had murdered. We have hard documentation down to every man, woman, and child of how many Hitler killed, and the fashion they did it in.

Frederick: And many people agree; people like Jon Stewart, for example


Oh, well, if a TV Comedian says so, it must be true. I hear Jeff Dunam is an expert on Proctology, as well.

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Frederick: You can disagree.


No, I can point out you're factually inaccurate about your tap-dancing around conspiracy theories to explain the "western promotion of the holocaust".

Frederick: But the fact that you feel the need to insult, slander, and accuse suggests you have an agenda to control the message by attacking the messenger.


I don't think I've insulted you, or slandered you in any way. I've only called you out on the language you have used yourself. I've called your "message" indefensible and historically inaccurate, and I've called your accusations of Jewish control of the media unfounded - something you have yet to prove. The fact that, when called upon, the only way you can defend your "theories" about it is to call me a shill or accuse me of having an "agenda" (Which, I guess pointing out historical facts is an agenda to you, it seems.) is quite telling.

I'm not attacking the messenger per say. I'm attacking your beliefs on an event which has more historical documentation than the Christian Church itself.
 
2013-03-05 08:07:21 AM

Frederick: many others have also mentioned the flood of articles pertaining to the Holocaust as opposed to other genocides. My explanation for it is based simply on logic.


Logic would take into account that we lost more soldiers to Hitler than any other foreign war, that Hitler committed those atrocities during that war, that countries frequently take their opponents' outrages and make them a retroactive reason for that war, that the Holocaust was industrial nature of the killing on a scale and intent never seen before, that the Holocaust's goal was absolute 100% extermination of those in territory they control or intend on controlling - something few other genocides actually aimed to accomplish and fewer still (if any) could hope to accomplish. Logic states that often we don't care much about what two countries on the other side of the globe do to each other, that we don't care what Stalin did "to his own people" - a convenient excuse, even if completely false, to help assuage any moral guilt of not having done anything about it.

All of those reasons are so much more compelling than Jews in media, that logic suggests that considering Jews in media even remotely important enough to mention is driven by something OTHER than logic.
 
2013-03-05 08:34:52 AM
I never said Jewish control of the media.

I don't see very much Holocaust articles in Chinese news, or news from India, Mexico, or Brazil. Apparently those sources aren't as influenced by Hitlers methods?

The abundance of Holocaust articles are exclusively an western media occurrence. And I think my opinion explains it.

I'm not even suggesting its sinister, just a natural, logical conclusion based on facts. There are a lot of Jewish people in western journalism.

I find it disappointing that opinion can't be stated without be attacked. I've not insulted anyone.
 
2013-03-05 08:52:51 AM
Brazilian troop losses: 1,000
Mexican Troop losses: 100
The Chinese have reason to LIKE Germans during WWII.
India fought because England compelled them.

So those are all terrible comparisons.

And I never said you said "control"
 
2013-03-05 09:05:33 AM

vygramul: Brazilian troop losses: 1,000
Mexican Troop losses: 100
The Chinese have reason to LIKE Germans during WWII.
India fought because England compelled them.

So those are all terrible comparisons.

And I never said you said "control"


By that logic, what country would be an appropriate comparison outside of western influence?
 
2013-03-05 09:41:19 AM

Frederick: I never said Jewish control of the media.


No. You just suggested that the amount of Jews in media are the reason that the holocaust gets so much press. I mean, only a crazy person would assume that would mean that they control the media. Not a natural end point of your wording in the least.

Frederick: I don't see very much Holocaust articles in Chinese news, or news from India, Mexico, or Brazil. Apparently those sources aren't as influenced by Hitlers methods?


The Chinese were not involved in the Western European theater. You will, on the other hand, see an abundance of material on the Japanese invasion of China, and the Rape of Nanjing, and similar atrocities committed by the Japanese on Asians in the Pacific Theater  In fact, there is SUBSTANTIAL animosity and international tension today as a result of Japan's continued historical revisionism and denialism.  Brazil was known for sheltering Nazis during the 1950s and 60s onwards. Mexico was not a major player in WWII - they learned their lesson with the Zimmerman telegram.

Frederick: The abundance of Holocaust articles are exclusively an western media occurrence. And I think my opinion explains it.


Your opinion ignores every other fact of the matter - including the fact that the Holocaust was a WESTERN atrocity, overwhelmingly and meticulously documented, and carried out with a cold, industrial inhuman drive. It's a stretch at best, and a poorly veiled conspiratorial belief that borders on holocaust apologetics at worse.

It also ignores the fact that legal doctrine for modern command responsibility directly stems from military involvement in the Holocaust, and the Nuremberg trials that followed.

The argument you are making is known as Minimalism in Holocaust Denialist Circles. Even if you don't INTEND to be making that kind of statement, you are doing so.

Frederick: I'm not even suggesting its sinister, just a natural, logical conclusion based on facts. There are a lot of Jewish people in western journalism.


No, it's ignorance of ALL the combined historical and legacy factors which make it relevant even today. There is no "natural logic" in your statement.

Frederick: I find it disappointing that opinion can't be stated without be attacked. I've not insulted anyone.


You have every right to voice your opinion. However, welcome to FARK. When you present vile arguments that, even if you don't intend to be taken as such, come off as holocaust denial, you're going to get bitterness, vitriol, and ridicule in return - especially when your arguments continue to ignore historical facts to the contrary while you decry "it's just logic!"

No. It's Post hoc, ergo propter assumption. It doesn't even make sense when put to the Razor test.
 
2013-03-05 09:43:07 AM

Frederick: I find it disappointing that opinion can't be stated without be attacked. I've not insulted anyone.


Also, stop trying to play the persecution card.

No one has attacked you. We've attacked your arguments, and failure to demonstrate what you've claimed.
 
2013-03-05 09:54:24 AM
There are a lot of black dudes in the NBA. So naturally I'm insinuating the NBA is controlled by a conspiracy of black guys.

You may want to revisit the razor test. One off the key words is "simplest"
 
2013-03-05 10:40:42 AM

Frederick: There are a lot of black dudes in the NBA. So naturally I'm insinuating the NBA is controlled by a conspiracy of black guys.


Sounds like you're saying there's a lot of black guys in the NBA. On the other hand....

Frederick: IMO, Hitler gets the press due to the amount of Jewish representation in western media.


One of these things are not like the other.
 
2013-03-05 08:29:37 PM

Frederick: vygramul: Brazilian troop losses: 1,000
Mexican Troop losses: 100
The Chinese have reason to LIKE Germans during WWII.
India fought because England compelled them.

So those are all terrible comparisons.

And I never said you said "control"

By that logic, what country would be an appropriate comparison outside of western influence?


Actually, mostly you have to compare not how many movies about the Holocaust were made, but what proportion of WWII movies are Holocaust movies.

How many WWII movies has Mexico even made? If they've made two, but one is a Holocaust movie, wouldn't that mean they're even MORE obsessed, relatively, than we are?

But all of that is beyond the point. You really ought to recognize that there are a host of reasons why the Holocaust is objectively different. You don't even seem to be able to admit that something that impacted the president's great uncle with lasting memory might be important to Americans and those GIs who accompanied him far more than the Holodomor ever could. We have more movies about Americans slaughtering Native Americans than we have of the Holodomor - and it's not because of all the Sioux in Hollywood.

If you really care about logic, you'll never make that "Jews in media" mistake again.
 
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