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2013-03-01 08:39:50 PM
I like how Schefter keeps hitting shiat on his phone
 
2013-03-01 08:42:04 PM
Weeden > Flacco.
 
2013-03-01 08:42:26 PM
Well, he *did* sorta make his case this post-season for the Ravens emptying their bank accounts to keep him in Baltimore. Now, it's up to him to make his case this upcoming season for continuing to enjoy his new largesse.
 
2013-03-01 08:49:14 PM
No better case for it than the one he just made, can't hate that.
 
2013-03-01 08:51:04 PM

robsul82: No better case for it than the one he just made, can't hate that.


If you're going to go for it, going for it with a Super Bowl win fresh in your pocket is definitely the time to do it.
 
2013-03-01 08:52:11 PM
Jay Cutler now batting.
 
2013-03-01 08:52:39 PM
Fantasy ruined the whole feeling to the "winning" QB.  This guy would have been a hero 20 years ago, but since he isn't an elite QB in tantasy, this was somehow not worth it.  His stats in the post season are ridiculous.  Nothing else matters when you want your team to win in the post season, f*ck fantasy stats.  Good for you Flacco.
 
2013-03-01 09:01:40 PM

ClavellBCMI: Well, he *did* sorta make his case this post-season for the Ravens emptying their bank accounts to keep him in Baltimore. Now, it's up to him to make his case this upcoming season for continuing to enjoy his new largesse.


If he wins another SB over the next 6 years, he'll have earned his dough. The key is doing what he did his first 5 years - going to the playoffs each year. If you make the tournament with a healthy team, you've always got a shot.
 
2013-03-01 09:09:10 PM
Well, he'll never actually see $120 million, no matter what, but still that seems like a hell of a gamble by the Ravens, who before last season you could have seen picking up another QB in the draft
 
2013-03-01 09:09:12 PM
All this elite BS is crap made up by the agents and perpetuated by talking heads on ESPN.  If you win a super bowl, you have become immortalized.  The rest means nothing except to the people trying to latch on and make money off you.
 
2013-03-01 09:09:12 PM
"Nothing else matters when you want your team to win in the post season, f*ck fantasy stats. "Well, getting to the post season does. Not that the Ravens have had a hard time doing that, but now the expectation is that flacco will have to get them there, as opposed to being a big part, but just a part, of the machine.
 
2013-03-01 09:31:23 PM
This contract is like George Constanza and his secretary.

"I'm giving you a raise!!!!"
 
2013-03-01 09:34:41 PM

blunto: All this elite BS is crap made up by the agents and perpetuated by talking heads on ESPN.   If you win a super bowl, you have become immortalized.


Huh?

Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson
 
Yeah, true immortals, all.
 
2013-03-01 09:38:17 PM

John Buck 41: blunto: All this elite BS is crap made up by the agents and perpetuated by talking heads on ESPN.   If you win a super bowl, you have become immortalized.

Huh?

Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson

Yeah, true immortals, all.


Truly a pantheon of greatness
 
2013-03-01 09:43:45 PM

John Buck 41: blunto: All this elite BS is crap made up by the agents and perpetuated by talking heads on ESPN.   If you win a super bowl, you have become immortalized.

Huh?

Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson
 
Yeah, true immortals, all.


Yet it was easy enough to find out who all of them were.
 
2013-03-01 09:52:22 PM

degenerate-afro: John Buck 41: blunto: All this elite BS is crap made up by the agents and perpetuated by talking heads on ESPN.   If you win a super bowl, you have become immortalized.

Huh?

Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson
 
Yeah, true immortals, all.

Yet it was easy enough to find out who all of them were.


Well, yeah. I mean, SOMEone was gonna post this list. Might as well've been me.
 
2013-03-01 09:53:34 PM

John Buck 41: blunto: All this elite BS is crap made up by the agents and perpetuated by talking heads on ESPN.   If you win a super bowl, you have become immortalized.

Huh?

Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson
 
Yeah, true immortals, all.


Not as many MVPs on that list though.
 
2013-03-01 10:06:22 PM
Joe Theismann's leg is immortal.
 
2013-03-01 10:06:57 PM

degenerate-afro: John Buck 41: blunto: All this elite BS is crap made up by the agents and perpetuated by talking heads on ESPN.   If you win a super bowl, you have become immortalized.

Huh?

Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson
 
Yeah, true immortals, all.

Yet it was easy enough to find out who all of them were.


Truly we can count on record keeping as a quality of greatness.
 
2013-03-01 10:07:58 PM
They had to pay him...but I don't think they are going to get the return on that money they hope.

Whether he is "elite" or not is just worthless sport radio fodder. What matters is he is now being paid like one of the top 5 in the game, guys like the Mannings, Brees, and Rodgers (and Brady before he took the "pay cut"). I'm not personally convinced he is worth that money or that he will continue to succeed at the level those guys do. And I'm a Joe Flacco defender most of the time.

But are they really going to be bettter or even as good over the next couple years? The defense is shedding some of it's old deadweight (Lewis) but might also lose Reed. Ngata battled injuries this year, and T-Sizzle and his big mouth aren't getting any younger. And if I'm not mistaken Boldin is a free agent too, and they might not be able to afford him since they're paying Bert Flacco so much. I don't even know if you'd say they were the favorites in their own division...Cincinnati is the up and comer in the North and the Steelers generally contend. Hell Cleveland might even be good sometime in the next couple years.

Are they going to be happy about that 20 mil per if the Ravens finish 8-8 2 years in a row out of the playoffs? But but but he won a Super Bowl! Yeah, he sure did, and Mark Sanchez was in the AFC title game two years in a row, and now they're ready to assasinate him in NY. The NFL is the ultimate what have you done lately league. If old Bert can't put together a couple more deep playoff runs during this contract then he's overpaid. The other QBs that make that much do it pretty much every year. We'll see if he can.
 
2013-03-01 10:09:03 PM
Joe Flacco had already earned a fat paycheck in this contract even if the Ravens didn't win the Super Bowl.  His post-season career has been ridiculous (at least one playoff win in every season of his career), and as another poster pointed out, if you're in the tournament (and in Flacco's case, winning football games once there), you are always a serious threat to take it all.  All he did in winning the Super Bowl was tear down the last remaining argument for anyone who really wanted to try to find something negative about his five years in the league.

Congrats to Flacco, he earned it, and from what I hear the guy is pure class and a consummate professional.
 
2013-03-01 10:11:23 PM

Flying Lasagna Monster: Joe Theismann's leg is immortal.


That it is. I havn't watched that since the night it happened. It was so thoughtful of ABC to play it over and over again (what? maybe 6 times? more?)
 
2013-03-01 10:17:32 PM

js34603: What matters is he is now being paid like one of the top 5 in the game, guys like the Mannings, Brees, and Rodgers (and Brady before he took the "pay cut")


Not to be nitpicking too much, since I agree that Flacco's probably not one of the top 5, but I'd put him on par with Eli.
 
2013-03-01 10:18:01 PM
Can you imagine what Matt Ryan thinks about this contract?

*sick burn
 
2013-03-01 10:23:25 PM

Amurica...Fark Ya!: Fantasy ruined the whole feeling to the "winning" QB.  This guy would have been a hero 20 years ago, but since he isn't an elite QB in tantasy, this was somehow not worth it.  His stats in the post season are ridiculous.  Nothing else matters when you want your team to win in the post season, f*ck fantasy stats.  Good for you Flacco.


First I would like to say I'm a pats fan. I also have been a flacco fan since he was at Delaware. He is an elite(game on the line) qb. He is worth top dollar. The pats fan in me would like to point out Brady's move to take less money to help the team.

/the normal person in me says Brady is an idiot.
//then again millions is a lot, doesn't really matter after the first ten.
///slashes come in threes!
 
2013-03-01 10:25:08 PM

Dafatone: js34603: What matters is he is now being paid like one of the top 5 in the game, guys like the Mannings, Brees, and Rodgers (and Brady before he took the "pay cut")

Not to be nitpicking too much, since I agree that Flacco's probably not one of the top 5, but I'd put him on par with Eli.


Maybe yeah. But the big argument for paying Flacco so much is he won this Super Bowl and took them to the playoffs a bunch. I mean after all, before this playoff run even the Ravens weren't even sure they were going to pay him.

But Eli's got two Super Bowls and has been to the playoffs a bunch, too, so by that logic Flacco shouldn't be making as much. Roethlisberger has 2 and has been to the playoffs a bunch. Flacco now makes more than both of those guys.

The main point really anyway is they are paying Flacco for what he's already accomplished and hoping he continues to succeed at that level. It's always better for the team to have someone over performing their contract than underperforming it, and if the Ravens don't continue their success (even if it is not directly Flacco's fault but just the result of an aging team or improving division) then Flacco will be underperforming his new contract.
 
2013-03-01 10:26:42 PM

degenerate-afro: John Buck 41: blunto: All this elite BS is crap made up by the agents and perpetuated by talking heads on ESPN.   If you win a super bowl, you have become immortalized.

Huh?

Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson
 
Yeah, true immortals, all.

Yet it was easy enough to find out who all of them were.


If only there were some network of machines you could use to find various bits of historical information.

In a matter of seconds I could tell you who the lead singer of Bang Tango was, the exact date Bobby Hillin Jr. won his only Cup series race, or how many games Dane de la Rosa appeared in for the Durham Bulls last year.

Clearly those three people are all masters of their craft and truly belong among the pantheon of great Americans.
 
2013-03-01 10:28:07 PM

Treygreen13: degenerate-afro: John Buck 41: blunto: All this elite BS is crap made up by the agents and perpetuated by talking heads on ESPN.   If you win a super bowl, you have become immortalized.

Huh?

Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson
 
Yeah, true immortals, all.

Yet it was easy enough to find out who all of them were.

Truly we can count on record keeping as a quality of greatness.


Being immortal doesn't not mean you have to be great.  Once you've won a Super Bowl, you are always a Super Bowl champion.
 
2013-03-01 10:28:26 PM

Into the blue again: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Fantasy ruined the whole feeling to the "winning" QB.  This guy would have been a hero 20 years ago, but since he isn't an elite QB in tantasy, this was somehow not worth it.  His stats in the post season are ridiculous.  Nothing else matters when you want your team to win in the post season, f*ck fantasy stats.  Good for you Flacco.

First I would like to say I'm a pats fan. I also have been a flacco fan since he was at Delaware. He is an elite(game on the line) qb. He is worth top dollar. The pats fan in me would like to point out Brady's move to take less money to help the team.

/the normal person in me says Brady is an idiot.
//then again millions is a lot, doesn't really matter after the first ten.
///slashes come in threes!


If it makes you feel better, Brady increased his guaranteed money, despite lower the overall "max" value of his deal
 
2013-03-01 10:32:50 PM

Lost Thought 00: Into the blue again: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Fantasy ruined the whole feeling to the "winning" QB.  This guy would have been a hero 20 years ago, but since he isn't an elite QB in tantasy, this was somehow not worth it.  His stats in the post season are ridiculous.  Nothing else matters when you want your team to win in the post season, f*ck fantasy stats.  Good for you Flacco.

First I would like to say I'm a pats fan. I also have been a flacco fan since he was at Delaware. He is an elite(game on the line) qb. He is worth top dollar. The pats fan in me would like to point out Brady's move to take less money to help the team.

/the normal person in me says Brady is an idiot.
//then again millions is a lot, doesn't really matter after the first ten.
///slashes come in threes!

If it makes you feel better, Brady increased his guaranteed money, despite lower the overall "max" value of his deal


THIS.

Lil Tommy Brieber didn't "take less money to help the team". He MADE an extra $3 million up front to let the team futz with the numbers to play with the cap. Stop thinking he was being 'nice'. His time with Darth Hoodie has made nice unpossible.
 
2013-03-01 11:00:11 PM
That'll buy a lot of cocoa.

\and a Facebook comment from Russell Wilson
 
2013-03-01 11:10:04 PM

xaks: Can you imagine what Matt Ryan thinks about this contract?

*sick burn


Let me describe Matt Ryan's meeting with the Falcons about his new deal.  He's going to get the pimpest, emerald-studded solid platinum laptop apple can produce, he's going to take it out of it's case made from Steve Job's, he's going to type in pro-football-reference.com, click on season->passing, and then he's going to click on every column while his agent and financial advisers breakdown up-and-coming and classic dance crazes behind him.  Then his black and red yacht will crash through the wall, he and his team will climb on board and fly away on it.  Possibly into space.  Matt Ryan is not the least bit displeased.
 
2013-03-01 11:26:21 PM

Tickle Mittens: xaks: Can you imagine what Matt Ryan thinks about this contract?

*sick burn

Let me describe Matt Ryan's meeting with the Falcons about his new deal.  He's going to get the pimpest, emerald-studded solid platinum laptop apple can produce, he's going to take it out of it's case made from Steve Job's, he's going to type in pro-football-reference.com, click on season->passing, and then he's going to click on every column while his agent and financial advisers breakdown up-and-coming and classic dance crazes behind him.  Then his black and red yacht will crash through the wall, he and his team will climb on board and fly away on it.  Possibly into space.  Matt Ryan is not the least bit displeased.


needs more unicorns and centaur portraits
 
2013-03-01 11:56:47 PM
At least I don't have to hear anymore about Ray Lewis anymore. Jeebus his retirement was milked for all it was worth.
 
2013-03-02 12:23:04 AM

Flying Lasagna Monster: Joe Theismann's leg is immortal.


Joe Theismann's prostate is immortal.

b.vimeocdn.com
 
2013-03-02 12:26:39 AM

skinink: At least I don't have to hear anymore about Ray Lewis anymore. Jeebus his retirement was milked for all it was worth.


Um...

*pulls out a chair*

Here... Have a seat.

*sits down next to skinink*

Ok... Um... So... I don't know how quite to tell you this, so I'm just going to come out and say it:

Ray Lewis is working for ESPN as an analyst, meaning you're going to have to put up with him being plastered all over the network.  The retirement was just a precursor to SunRay Night Countdown and MonRay Night Football.
 
2013-03-02 02:25:35 AM

The_Y2P_Problem: Ray Lewis is working for ESPN as an analyst, meaning you're going to have to put up with him being plastered all over the network.  The retirement was just a precursor to SunRay Night Countdown and MonRay Night Football.


I think he is only working Monday Night. That being said I cant wait for the look on Ray's face the first time Trent mentions his QB skills and how he was an essential part of their 2000 Superbowl Run.


I also can't wait to see what Aaron Rodgers will make when his contract pops up.
150$ over 6 years maybe?
 
2013-03-02 02:31:17 AM
maybe now he can afford a farking eyebrow trimmer
 
2013-03-02 02:33:38 AM

Tickle Mittens: Steve Job's


who is Steve Job, and what does he own
 
2013-03-02 02:35:41 AM

skinink: At least I don't have to hear anymore about Ray Lewis anymore. Jeebus his retirement was milked for all it was worth.


See also: Jerome Bettis
 
2013-03-02 02:35:58 AM

neuroflare: Tickle Mittens: xaks: Can you imagine what Matt Ryan thinks about this contract?

*sick burn

Let me describe Matt Ryan's meeting with the Falcons about his new deal.  He's going to get the pimpest, emerald-studded solid platinum laptop apple can produce, he's going to take it out of it's case made from Steve Job's, he's going to type in pro-football-reference.com, click on season->passing, and then he's going to click on every column while his agent and financial advisers breakdown up-and-coming and classic dance crazes behind him.  Then his black and red yacht will crash through the wall, he and his team will climb on board and fly away on it.  Possibly into space.  Matt Ryan is not the least bit displeased.

needs more unicorns and centaur portraits


Matt Ryan and his 1-3 playoff record? Flacco is a winner.
 
2013-03-02 02:45:11 AM
My view is they had to pay Flacco.  The last time the Ravens let their SB winning QB go how long did it take for them to see another one, even with a top quality defense year after year?
 
2013-03-02 04:07:46 AM

BigJake: Tickle Mittens: Steve Job's

who is Steve Job, and what does he own


My bad, Steve's Job.  Better?
 
2013-03-02 05:00:27 AM

Into the blue again: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Fantasy ruined the whole feeling to the "winning" QB.  This guy would have been a hero 20 years ago, but since he isn't an elite QB in tantasy, this was somehow not worth it.  His stats in the post season are ridiculous.  Nothing else matters when you want your team to win in the post season, f*ck fantasy stats.  Good for you Flacco.

First I would like to say I'm a pats fan. I also have been a flacco fan since he was at Delaware. He is an elite(game on the line) qb. He is worth top dollar. The pats fan in me would like to point out Brady's move to take less money to help the team.

/the normal person in me says Brady is an idiot.
//then again millions is a lot, doesn't really matter after the first ten.
///slashes come in threes!


Brady is smart. He's maximizing his chances at one last ring.

Besides, his wife's net worth is more than twice his'. He comes home with a 10-20 million paycheck and Giselle says "oh, isn't that nice dear?" And puts it on the fridge door.
 
2013-03-02 08:21:46 AM

Flying Lasagna Monster: Joe Theismann's leg is immortal.


I'd say his leg is immobile.
 
2013-03-02 08:35:51 AM

Smoked: neuroflare: Tickle Mittens: xaks: Can you imagine what Matt Ryan thinks about this contract?

*sick burn

Let me describe Matt Ryan's meeting with the Falcons about his new deal.  He's going to get the pimpest, emerald-studded solid platinum laptop apple can produce, he's going to take it out of it's case made from Steve Job's, he's going to type in pro-football-reference.com, click on season->passing, and then he's going to click on every column while his agent and financial advisers breakdown up-and-coming and classic dance crazes behind him.  Then his black and red yacht will crash through the wall, he and his team will climb on board and fly away on it.  Possibly into space.  Matt Ryan is not the least bit displeased.

needs more unicorns and centaur portraits

Matt Ryan and his 1-3 playoff record? Flacco is a winner.


The funny part is, Matty Boy actually has more wins (regular season) than any other QB since 2008. So, from that perspective, he is not only a winner, he's THE winner. Don't think his agent isn't aware of this.
 
2013-03-02 08:50:55 AM

John Buck 41: blunto: All this elite BS is crap made up by the agents and perpetuated by talking heads on ESPN.   If you win a super bowl, you have become immortalized.

Huh?

Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann
Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon
Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams
Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler
Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien
Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer
Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson
 
Yeah, true immortals, all.


You knew who they were, didn't you?
 
2013-03-02 08:57:13 AM

blunto: All this elite BS is crap made up by the agents and perpetuated by talking heads on ESPN.  If you win a super bowl, you have become immortalized.  The rest means nothing except to the people trying to latch on and make money off you.


Mark Rypien and Trent Dilfer would like to have a talk with you.
 
2013-03-02 09:13:05 AM
Incidentally, I LOVE that they tied up that much money into Succo. Now that Mr. Stabby is retired and the "win one for the slasher" mentality is gone, the Ratbirds will play the same uninspired football they usually play, and they won't be able to sign anyone to get them over the top because Succo is eating their salary cap.
 
2013-03-02 09:47:07 AM
NFL QBs with more post-season wins than Flacco:
Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, Elway, Favre, Aikman, Staubach, Roethlisberger

The same number of wins (9):
Starr, Warner, McNabb, Kelly, Peyton

Just behind him (8):
Eli, Young, Marino

Interestingly enough, only two have losing postseason records; Peyton and Marino.


And if you're curious, Montana's postseason record, Flacco's, and Starr's. Flacco really is hampered by his first two campaigns.
 
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