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2013-03-01 07:10:04 PM  
www.goldenagebaseballcards.com

At Fault.
 
2013-03-01 07:10:14 PM  
Onkel Buck:Can you tell us you made wine in the terlet, it sounds like you speak from experience

/Would anyone wanna brag that they farked Kwame Kilpatrick in the ass?
//don't answer that


During seven years of my life, I volunteered some of my time in prisons.  Ranging from the prison for those that are soon to be released to Broad River Corrections Institute, the big SC prison where they carry out executions.  I have seen a guy smaller than myself who was serving 30 years for killing three men with his bare hands in a bar fight to a very large man wearing women's clothing.  I have walked around BRCI without guard and talked with inmates inside their cells.  I learned a lot from that perspective.  My wife's uncle (he is a prison guard in TX) and I swap stories.
 
2013-03-01 07:16:41 PM  
The year is 1974:

In Young's first year, there were 801 murders, up from 508 just three years before, and the old label "Murder City" gave way, in the press and the streets, to the grimmer still "Kill City." Even as the numbers rose, the crimes themselves grew nastier: old-fashioned one-on-one sexual assaults became gang rapes, stabbings were replaced by shootings, and unruly fights by execution-style slayings. Hardly a week went by without a major horror story on the front page of the papers. Police investigators were shocked, as one put it, by "the way the public accepts the homicide rate." Indignation, the copy told a reporter, had been replaced by a "ho-hum, another murder." The department was baffled by a rash of inquiries from citizens about the number of slayings in a given week- until it came out that the curious callers were organizing office betting pools
 
2013-03-01 07:18:52 PM  

Lost Thought 00: By the same logic, Obama could throw out a state legislature and governor, overturn all their state laws, and install his own appointees as the new government


Oh please let it be here!
 
2013-03-01 07:22:17 PM  
<B>LL316</B>

I'm not in Michigan, but that's the impression I get from out of state.  Partisanship and cronyism.  Decisions like the Benton Harbor golf course aren't fixing anyone's finances, and I'm very concerned about a local government not accountable at all to its residents.  Michigan's mess has been going on a long time, and it'll keep going on after these "emergency managers" spectacularly fail.

Call me old-fashioned, but I believe democracy is the best way to run cities and towns.  Better a bad government that won an election than a good one that didn't.
 
2013-03-01 07:24:22 PM  
"Welcome to Detroit. Biatches, leave!"
 
2013-03-01 07:27:38 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Job Creators(tm) chewed up Detroit, swallowed all our jobs, spit out an industrial wasteland, and made sure their well-paid minions on AM radio blamed all the resulting decay on those uppity folk left behind. Now the next generation of grifters get to come in and clean up on what's left for pennies on the dollar.

Kwame knows its good to be gangsta, he just didn't realize how much better it was to be a corporate one.


Um...

Step 1: Due to ingrained racism and history, black people are poor, and white people are rich.
Step 2: Because of step 1, as part of the whole "Let's riot because the Civil Rights Movement isn't fast enough" stage of the Civil Rights Movement, poor black folks riot, and burn large sections of Detroit.
Step 3: Anyone with cash runs from Detroit as fast as they possibly can (usually losing their shirt in the process like my grandparents).  Because of step 1, these are mostly, but not totally, white.
Step 4: Coleman Young shows up, blames all of Detroit's problems on whitey, and lets his cronies loot the city.  Every time anyone mentions the MASSIVE problems in Detroit, they scream racism while continuing to loot the city.
Step 5: Repeat Step 4 for 60 years with different names as Detroit spirals further and further.

Corporations were fairly involved in Step 1, and have been (however halfheartedly) fighting Step 5.  There are lots of places where the big corporations are to blame.  This is not one of them.
 
2013-03-01 07:28:48 PM  
16% of Detroit's murders last year were of out of towners.

Detroit Tourism Board surrenders.
 
2013-03-01 07:46:27 PM  
Detroit needs to be resettled by competent people and the native uprising must be put down. Do we have the will to do what needs to be done? .

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-01 07:46:31 PM  

This text is now purple: birdboy2000: If Obama decided to remove Michigan's governor for partisan reasons and appoint a democrat in his place, and a partisan supreme court signed off on it, the nation would be justly outraged.  Yet Michigan's governor is doing the same thing to democratic cities and towns across the state.

Of Michigan's large Democrat-controlled cities, only Ann Arbor isn't the equivalent of a failed-state.

Hell, even some of the tiny towns are Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome-levels of hopeless.


Baloney. Lansing's mayor is a democrat and he gets alot of support from the local residents and business community for his economic policy. They're actually doing quite well and like Ann Arbor are the only other city in Michigan to have a serious developing high-tech sector.

What you are not noticing is that the major population areas tend to be democratically controlled, out of those major areas one of them has a history of just down right corrupt cronyism. It's not party specific otherwise AA and Lansing/EL would be in the same boat. It's very specific to Detroit and the history of that city.

Personally I support the EFM call on Detroit. The city council there needs to be bombed because they thwart any effective leadership at the mayoral level. Having an EFM will allow that individual to bypass the council and rectify some of the cities problems - and hopefully uncover evidence needed to send some of them and their supporters to jail.

Also I grew up in Allen Park and I can flat out say the #1 problem with the Detroit area is JOBS.

Some of my cousins, the only work they can find without a college degree is at Wal-Mart and the ones that do go for higher education end up leaving because the opportunity isn't there in the area (maybe if there had been more software or computer businesses in the area when I was graduating from college, I would have stayed instead of going to California... who knows?)

Anyway, it's not a problem that can be solved or attributed to any particular political party. You'll notice that the two areas of the state that are doing rather well have HUGE educational institutions there and are actively using that as an asset to lure new business. How can Detroit hope to emulate that with the infrastructure it has set up right now? I have no idea.

I guess what I am saying is that even cleaning out the corruption in Detroit isn't going to save the city. It has deep structural problems that can't be easily or quickly solved.
 
2013-03-01 07:55:59 PM  

TwistedFark: It has deep structural problems that can't be easily or quickly solved.


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2013-03-01 08:13:27 PM  
www.corbisimages.com
www.uwfolk.org

The midwest was settled by rich white people.


bitofearthfarm.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-01 08:15:41 PM  
i463.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-01 08:23:22 PM  

carrion_luggage: [www.robocoparchive.com image 500x539]

YOU ARE FIVE DAYS, SIX HOURS AND TWENTY-SEVEN MINUTES LATE WITH YOUR FIRST QUARTER PROPERTY TAX PAYMENT. PLACE THE MONEY IN THE BAG AND SLIDE IT OVER TO ME. YOU HAVE THIRTY SECONDS TO COMPLY.


It'd malfunction at its demonstration before it had a chance to be deployed - where such malfunction takes out Gov Snyder and his friends in their attempt to put down the city uprising against him.

bunner: TwistedFark: It has deep structural problems that can't be easily or quickly solved.


That'll take care of Lansing's ALEC infestation, but what about Detroit?
 
2013-03-01 08:27:34 PM  
Damn Republicans
 
2013-03-01 08:27:40 PM  

sethstorm: It'd malfunction at its demonstration before it had a chance to be deployed - where such malfunction takes out Gov Snyder and his friends in their attempt to put down the city uprising against him.


Clearly then, your solution must be to continue on the current path.
 
2013-03-01 08:30:07 PM  

Vectron: The midwest was settled by rich white people.


Who left.  with your job in the trunk of their car.  Ta da.
 
2013-03-01 08:31:16 PM  
And by "settled", you mean decorated, put in necessary infrastructure to turn resources into money and THEN left, no?
 
2013-03-01 08:31:29 PM  

blue_2501: [i463.photobucket.com image 600x481]


What is that graph trying to tell us?
 
2013-03-01 08:33:13 PM  
As a resident of Flint, I am really getting a kick out of these replies...
 
2013-03-01 08:48:16 PM  

bunner: And by "settled", you mean decorated, put in necessary infrastructure to turn resources into money and THEN left, no?


You are absolutely clueless.
 
2013-03-01 08:48:21 PM  

birdboy2000: Better a bad government that won an election than a good one that didn't.


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2013-03-01 08:49:45 PM  

Vectron: bunner: And by "settled", you mean decorated, put in necessary infrastructure to turn resources into money and THEN left, no?

You are absolutely clueless.


Wanna bet?  I got the joke.  Did you?  Or are you one of these people who log on to forums see smirk and the "clu3l3ssz0rs"?
 
2013-03-01 08:51:46 PM  

Frank N Stein: Michigan should just boot Detroit from the state. Is tha possible?


...you kidding?  Detroit is perfect for Republicans' plans to unilaterally take control of government without elections.  Now all they have to do is get Scalia to convince four other justices that it's legal, and they can go nationwide.
 
2013-03-01 08:55:01 PM  

meyerkev: Um...

Step 1: Due to ingrained racism and history, black people are poor, and white people are rich.
Step 2: Because of step 1, as part of the whole "Let's riot because the Civil Rights Movement isn't fast enough" stage of the Civil Rights Movement, poor black folks riot, and burn large sections of Detroit.
Step 3: Anyone with cash runs from Detroit as fast as they possibly can (usually losing their shirt in the process like my grandparents).  Because of step 1, these are mostly, but not totally, white.
Step 4: Coleman Young shows up, blames all of Detroit's problems on whitey, and lets his cronies loot the city.  Every time anyone mentions the MASSIVE problems in Detroit, they scream racism while continuing to loot the city.
Step 5: Repeat Step 4 for 60 years with different names as Detroit spirals further and further.

Corporations were fairly involved in Step 1, and have been (however halfheartedly) fighting Step 5.  There are lots of places where the big corporations are to blame.  This is not one of them.


Well, I'd agree, but you missed somewhere around 2 3 and/or 4 where most of the good manufacturing jobs in Detroit fled for parts elsewhere. Its hard enough to re-build a city with white flight taking away your tax base, its even harder when job flight is doing the same.
 
2013-03-01 08:55:19 PM  
and see.  Can't type.
 
2013-03-01 08:56:02 PM  

bunner: Or are you one of these people who log on to forums see smirk and the "clu3l3ssz0rs"?


Is that what they call them on Stormfront? He seems that type of FARKer.
 
2013-03-01 08:56:11 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Lost Thought 00: By the same logic, Obama could throw out a state legislature and governor, overturn all their state laws, and install his own appointees as the new government

No, because the Constitution doesn't work that way.

But state constitutions are different.  City charters are granted by the state.


There's a big argument to be made on that score, especially one based on the 14th amendment due process clause.
 
2013-03-01 09:03:58 PM  

Geotpf: Adolf Oliver Nipples: yeegrek: And the inevitable climax of the Teabagger Revolution finally comes around.

I generally try to avoid playing this game (but I'll power through it this one time):  Can anyone else imagine the psychotic ragegasm that would erupt from the right if a Democratic Governor told, say, a part of Appalachia that it was no longer fit to govern itself and therefore it's elected representatives would be swept aside in favor of the Gov's cronies?   I'm sure they'd handle it with the same general sense of calm and lack of hyperbole that they always handle things with.

To be fair, you'd have to find a case where such a situation exists. Can you? I can point to dozens of cities, including the one nearest to me (Harrisburg, PA), that have been savaged by the policies of their leaders. With very few exceptions, they are all governed by Democrats.

Is that a reflection of the party as a whole or the mores of the locales in question? Maybe a little bit of both. But mostly it's the failure of the electorate to vote for people who will govern responsibly instead of running on ridiculous populism and promises that they simply cannot keep without driving the city into the ground, which they then invariably do.

With very few exceptions, all cities (successful or not) of any significant size are governed by Democrats and feature a majority Democratic voting population.  Note: Maybe not be valid in the former Confederate States of America.

Assuming you are not in the land of Dixie, here's how it works:

Rural areas are almost always Republican.
Suburbs that are next to rural areas are usually Republican.
Suburbs that are next to big cities are usually Democratic.
Big cities are almost always Democratic.

That is, the reason poorly run big cities are always run by Democrats is because they are big cities, not because they are poorly run.


Mayor Bloomberg laughs at your generalities.
 
2013-03-01 09:09:21 PM  

dfenstrate: sethstorm: It'd malfunction at its demonstration before it had a chance to be deployed - where such malfunction takes out Gov Snyder and his friends in their attempt to put down the city uprising against him.

Clearly then, your solution must be to continue on the current path.


Given the current administration leading the state, yes.  They don't represent Michiganders in Lansing(save for the Mackinac Institute) and merely just want Detroit as a Delta City-like trophy.
 
2013-03-01 09:23:18 PM  
Nuke, from orbit. Sorry Whistler.
 
2013-03-01 09:23:42 PM  
This is directed to detroit residents. Couple years ago my tractor semi  broke down (clutch went) I was on Lynch Ave. about to turn on Van Dyke. This was about 11am, had to wait for tow truck to bring another tractor from our yard in London canada a two hour drive. when all said and done was there for about 5 hours, Most of the neighbourhoods looked pretty burned out, dirt and grass were covering at least half of the sidewalk. I walked to the corner store and the cashier area was surrounded by thick plexiglass,.had more than a couple of people come up to truck and ask for money, I just said I was from Canada and that sent them away.
  Well my question is was I lucky it was 11am and not 11pm.   I remember reading somewhere this is where the riots in 1968 started??
 
2013-03-01 09:37:26 PM  

JohnnyC: I hate the Emergency Financial Manager thing...

It's so anti-Democracy...


And, it has essentially zero track record of working!

Here's a good example.  Former Emergency Financial Manager of Highland Park charged with embezzlement:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130131/METRO01/301310376

It's bizarre to me that so many seem to think that, just because someone is hand picked by the governor, they'll suddenly be a Boy Scout when given millions of dollars to manage and no electoral oversight.  Detroit's history of corruption happens in spite of democracy, not because of it.  That's why the only real success EFM supporters can point to is one podunk town of about 1,800 people. Every other time, they've done just as poorly, if not worse, than democratically elected people.

But no one really cares about it working.  This is really about one thing: Republicans giving a big "fark you" to Democrats in any way they can.
 
2013-03-01 09:37:50 PM  

weirdneighbour: This is directed to detroit residents. Couple years ago my tractor semi  broke down (clutch went) I was on Lynch Ave. about to turn on Van Dyke. This was about 11am, had to wait for tow truck to bring another tractor from our yard in London canada a two hour drive. when all said and done was there for about 5 hours, Most of the neighbourhoods looked pretty burned out, dirt and grass were covering at least half of the sidewalk. I walked to the corner store and the cashier area was surrounded by thick plexiglass,.had more than a couple of people come up to truck and ask for money, I just said I was from Canada and that sent them away.
  Well my question is was I lucky it was 11am and not 11pm.   I remember reading somewhere this is where the riots in 1968 started??


Question one:  yes.  Question two:  no

/riots were in '67,  we won the world series in '68
//'67 riots started at a blind pig, at 12th Street (now Rosa Parks Blvd.) and Clairmount
 
2013-03-01 09:53:17 PM  

The Ice Cream Man: weirdneighbour: This is directed to detroit residents. Couple years ago my tractor semi  broke down (clutch went) I was on Lynch Ave. about to turn on Van Dyke. This was about 11am, had to wait for tow truck to bring another tractor from our yard in London canada a two hour drive. when all said and done was there for about 5 hours, Most of the neighbourhoods looked pretty burned out, dirt and grass were covering at least half of the sidewalk. I walked to the corner store and the cashier area was surrounded by thick plexiglass,.had more than a couple of people come up to truck and ask for money, I just said I was from Canada and that sent them away.
  Well my question is was I lucky it was 11am and not 11pm.   I remember reading somewhere this is where the riots in 1968 started??

Question one:  yes.  Question two:  no

/riots were in '67,  we won the world series in '68
//'67 riots started at a blind pig, at 12th Street (now Rosa Parks Blvd.) and Clairmount


Ah, ok  thanks, the world series I barely remember but I do have the team picture baseball card, I obviously have the facts mixed up about the riot , that I don't remember.

/was an Expo fan so my team will never win the world series
 
2013-03-01 09:53:24 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: But no one really cares about it working.  This is really about one thing: Republicans giving a big "fark you" to Democrats in any way they can


You know all those spoiled, dope addled, smug jerks you went to school with? They're all between 35 and 60 now and we've given them political positions.
 
2013-03-01 09:56:16 PM  
Here, the riots started outside of a beer joint at E. 79th and Hough.
 
2013-03-01 10:01:04 PM  
www.detroits-great-rebellion.com

This one.
 
2013-03-01 10:31:20 PM  

Frank N Stein: Michigan should just boot Detroit from the state. Is tha possible?


It would certainly be a good thing... for Detroit.  Put a nice big fence and watch as Ferndale & Royal Oak dissolve away into nothing because all the suburban honkies can't get to their cushy jobs in downtown Detroit anymore.  Detroit businesses would actually have to hire people from Detroit - an idea that is currently considered heresy.


Is an Emergency Manager needed?  YES.  The city council is a failed experiment that refuses to die and the mayor isn't getting anything worthwhile done.

The problem, however, is the idea of Snyder deciding who that EM is going to be.  Snyder is a Republican, cast straight from the mold, and would like nothing more than to see Detroit turned into "Auschwitz: the Sequel" and he's only going to pick someone he thinks can deliver that to him.

Sadly, Michigan has this stupid habit of electing saboteurs into their own government (Engler comes to mind) who do nothing but wreck everything they can and then flee back to their masters in Florida & Texas as soon as the people wise up and kick them out of office.
 
2013-03-01 10:47:11 PM  

Lyonid: You down with OCP?


Yeah, you know me.
 
2013-03-01 11:05:25 PM  

Geotpf: Aidan: Southern100: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cheron: Tunk87: Fark It: Interesting.  What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?

Detroit Tea party The Republican Party

Pffft. Detroit hasn't seen a republican since Louis Miriani back in 1962.  Hell, I doubt you'd find one willing to even go in that city in anything less than a Sherman tank.

It's also funny (infuriating) when the news says things like "Romney visited Detroit today, to talk to people at Chrysler headquarters."

For those of you not in the know, that's nowhere near Detroit. Not even close, geographically, financially, or socially.

Some people use the term "Detroit" to mean "the domestic auto industry".  It's like how people use the term "Hollywood" to mean "the film industry", even though there is only minimal film production in Hollywood itself.


The technical term for this is  metonym.
 
2013-03-01 11:14:40 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: JohnnyC: I hate the Emergency Financial Manager thing...

But no one really cares about it working.  This is really about one thing: Republicans giving a big "fark you" to Democrats in any way they can.


Basically.  Between this and the ramrod of RTW, someone wants Detroit(and Michigan in general) to be the largest black eye to unions since PATCO.
 
2013-03-01 11:16:27 PM  

bunner: Before this thread goes full scale partisan hackery, I just wanted to proffer this plain-as-the-balls-on-a-tall-dog factoid.


"My opinions are obviously true to me, therefore they are correct" is not much of an argument, I'm afraid.
 
2013-03-01 11:30:32 PM  
Hey, can I move to a crime-infested shiat-hole with corrupt civic "leaders" and shiatty weather?

cmsimg.detnews.com
Detroit showed Zimbabwe how to achieve maximum fail.
 
2013-03-01 11:31:05 PM  

ciberido: bunner: Before this thread goes full scale partisan hackery, I just wanted to proffer this plain-as-the-balls-on-a-tall-dog factoid."My opinions are obviously true to me, therefore they are correct" is not much of an argument, I'm afraid.


And "I have dismissed your construct as mere wittering opinion, signifying nothing" isn't much of a critique.  Is it?  Wave that flag higher.  The other team might win.  I mean, some people are still buying the dog and pony show, but I ain't.  You stick with magazine rack editorializing and I'll stick with beliefs vs. results benefit cost / benefits analysis.  there, that was easy, wunnit?   :  )
 
2013-03-01 11:33:03 PM  
Oops, I had an extra benefits.  I must be a [not your party here].  *snort*
 
2013-03-01 11:49:34 PM  
NephilimNexus: Frank N Stein: Michigan should just boot Detroit from the state. Is tha possible?

It would certainly be a good thing... for Detroit.  Put a nice big fence and watch as Ferndale & Royal Oak dissolve away into nothing because all the suburban honkies can't get to their cushy jobs in downtown Detroit anymore.  Detroit businesses would actually have to hire people from Detroit - an idea that is currently considered heresy.

Is an Emergency Manager needed?  YES.  The city council is a failed experiment that refuses to die and the mayor isn't getting anything worthwhile done.

No, and to suggest that it is an "experiment" is to look at it the wrong way.   As long as Snyder's kind(read: ALEC, Mackinac Institute) has control over Michigan, the better course is to let Detroit continue without interference.

The problem, however, is the idea of Snyder deciding who that EM is going to be.  Snyder is a Republican, cast straight from the mold, and would like nothing more than to see Detroit turned into "Auschwitz: the Sequel" and he's only going to pick someone he thinks can deliver that to him.

The more reason not to have an Emergency Manager as long as the kind of groups that took over in 2010 have any control of Michigan.
 
2013-03-01 11:51:16 PM  

aerojockey: Every time I read about Detroit I am amazed the same thing didn't happen to  Pittsburgh.  Pittsburgh had the same drastic loss in manufacturing and population, probably worse, in fact, but somehow didn't turn into a hell-hole.  And we did it with people we elected ourselves!


Whites/Pittsburgh. Hate to mention race, and race is not the cause per se. But there it is.
 
2013-03-02 12:10:26 AM  

NephilimNexus: Snyder is a Republican, cast straight from the mold, and would like nothing more than to see Detroit turned into "Auschwitz: the Sequel" and he's only going to pick someone he thinks can deliver that to him.


That is the single dumbest thing in this thread, which is saying something.  Congratulations.  You even Godwined.
 
2013-03-02 12:12:00 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Hobodeluxe: Michigan is a dictatorship. they've overthrown duly elected representatives and installed corporate cronies to do away with collective bargaining agreements and crush unions allowing then to cut the pay of city workers.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 234x240]


Because all counties have the exact same population per county.
 
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