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2013-03-01 04:30:57 PM  

YixilTesiphon: Hobodeluxe: Michigan is a dictatorship. they've overthrown duly elected representatives and installed corporate cronies to do away with collective bargaining agreements and crush unions allowing then to cut the pay of city workers.

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Good map.  Snyder is governor of the whole state, and he takes that seriously.   The state includes Detroit.
 
2013-03-01 04:31:08 PM  
fark Jones!
 
2013-03-01 04:31:29 PM  

Hobodeluxe: JohnAnnArbor: I wonder if the EFM will force all Detroit municipal employees to show up one payday to pick up their checks, in person.  The Detroit public schools EFM did that and DOZENS could not be found--fraudulent employees, drawing money out of the system.

He also found warehouses full of unused equipment.  From Blackberries to MOTORCYCLES. All paid for with $$ that was supposed to go to Detroit classrooms.

The School Board apparently thinks that's all OK, because they're the ones that allowed it.

hmm I tried to google that and came up with squat. you have a link to support that allegation?


I found it pretty easily.

http://detroitk12.org/admin/inspector_general/docs/audit_reports/200 9_ Annual_Report.pdf

The audit found that the Office lacked inventory procedures and had limited controls over its inventory including weapons. In conducting a physical inventory, the OAG found:

160 blackberry phones new in the box,
97 hand held two-way phones, new in the box
21 metal detectors
1872 new master locks
1870 video tapes
132 new safety kits
586 motion detectors
501 switch boxes
11 motorcycles (with limited mileage)
1996 Chevrolet Caprice Classic


They DID report they didn't find any "Ghost" employees, though. So not sure where that came from.
 
2013-03-01 04:32:25 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Aidan: meyerkev: Please let it be Bing.

I'd like to see that, tentatively. I'd like to know what exactly Bing would do given more power. I know he's done as much as he could, but is that because his hands are tied or because he's just not good enough? I THINK it's the former, but I'm not certain.

It seems like the structural setup in Detroit makes Bing much weaker than a big-city mayor typically is.  So it would make sense to (essentially) give him the power and let him run with it.


ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2013-03-01 04:32:27 PM  

The Ice Cream Man: Aidan: meyerkev: Please let it be Bing.

I'd like to see that, tentatively. I'd like to know what exactly Bing would do given more power. I know he's done as much as he could, but is that because his hands are tied or because he's just not good enough? I THINK it's the former, but I'm not certain.

What makes you think Bing would be any better as emergency manager?  He's been mayor for three years, and has had a revolving door of executive staff the entire time!  My biggest complaint against Bing is that he needed to be decisive from DAY ONE, yet he came into office with no clue of how bad things were, and no plan on how to fix them.  This "One Detroit" nonsense was a multi year long consensus project:  ask the citizens what they want, when all the citizens want to do is shout down anyone who has an idea that doesn't involve getting phantom money that the state "owes" the city.

What is also missing from this discussion is that the City has been under a "Consent Agreement" since about last April.  The city should have been under an emergency manager from that time forward, but Gov. Snyder naively gave the city one more chance to get its house in order.   Now we are another two billion deeper in debt with nothing to show for it.

It wouldn't surprise me if the city ends up in Chapter 9 bankruptcy.  The biggest problem I see with that is that all of the bond holders have their bonds guaranteed by the pension funds.  In other words, if the city defaults, the rich people who bought the muni bonds will be made whole, while the working stiffs will lose their pensions.  I am no fan of the Detroit civil service, but still...

Bing for emergency manager?  He still can't decide if he wants to run for re-election yet, and the deadline for filing is coming up.  He's better suited to be manager for Waffle House.


He was restricted by city charter.  As EFM he would not be.
 
2013-03-01 04:33:44 PM  

Southern100: Hobodeluxe: JohnAnnArbor: I wonder if the EFM will force all Detroit municipal employees to show up one payday to pick up their checks, in person.  The Detroit public schools EFM did that and DOZENS could not be found--fraudulent employees, drawing money out of the system.

He also found warehouses full of unused equipment.  From Blackberries to MOTORCYCLES. All paid for with $$ that was supposed to go to Detroit classrooms.

The School Board apparently thinks that's all OK, because they're the ones that allowed it.

hmm I tried to google that and came up with squat. you have a link to support that allegation?

I found it pretty easily.

http://detroitk12.org/admin/inspector_general/docs/audit_reports/200 9_ Annual_Report.pdf

The audit found that the Office lacked inventory procedures and had limited controls over its inventory including weapons. In conducting a physical inventory, the OAG found:

160 blackberry phones new in the box,
97 hand held two-way phones, new in the box
21 metal detectors
1872 new master locks
1870 video tapes
132 new safety kits
586 motion detectors
501 switch boxes
11 motorcycles (with limited mileage)
1996 Chevrolet Caprice Classic

They DID report they didn't find any "Ghost" employees, though. So not sure where that came from.


Funny, my bad there.  I was sure I had heard it.  That's what happens when synapses age, I guess.  (I still think the idea of having poeple show up to pick up the checks was a brilliant move.)
 
2013-03-01 04:34:25 PM  

FARK rebel soldier: JohnAnnArbor: Aidan: meyerkev: Please let it be Bing.

I'd like to see that, tentatively. I'd like to know what exactly Bing would do given more power. I know he's done as much as he could, but is that because his hands are tied or because he's just not good enough? I THINK it's the former, but I'm not certain.

It seems like the structural setup in Detroit makes Bing much weaker than a big-city mayor typically is.  So it would make sense to (essentially) give him the power and let him run with it.

[ts2.mm.bing.net image 221x121]


I'm guessing Bing would like to be on a remote island right about now.
 
2013-03-01 04:34:40 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Michigan is a dictatorship. they've overthrown duly elected representatives and installed corporate cronies to do away with collective bargaining agreements and crush unions allowing then to cut the pay of city workers.


And Detroit is a corrupt shiathole that has been leeching off the state for far too long.  If they want state money, it is time they play by the state's rules.  There is a big difference between taking out the political scumbags in Detroit via a manager and turning all the city's workers into serfs.

The Detroit City Council has been refusing all logical steps to shrink the size of the city, despite the shrinkage in population, and after 14 billion dollars worth of debt it needs to end.
 
2013-03-01 04:34:45 PM  
Detroit?

Just let it go, man.

It's gone.
 
2013-03-01 04:35:43 PM  
How many Detroit city council members will be crying racism?
 
2013-03-01 04:35:54 PM  

Amos Quito: Detroit?

Just let it go, man.

It's gone.


People have voted with their feet for decades.  It's been staggeringly sad to watch.
 
2013-03-01 04:36:33 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: The Ice Cream Man: Aidan: meyerkev: Please let it be Bing.

Bing for emergency manager?  He still can't decide if he wants to run for re-election yet, and the deadline for filing is coming up.  He's better suited to be manager for Waffle House.

He was restricted by city charter.  As EFM he would not be.


Leaders lead.  Pretenders make excuses.
 
2013-03-01 04:37:02 PM  
When the Little Rock School District proved to be incompetent at integrating their schools, it was OK for Eisenhower to send in Emergency Managers called the 101st Airborne.
 
2013-03-01 04:37:18 PM  

kmfjd: How many Detroit city council members will be crying racism?


Not all.  Some do, though, when waking up, getting coffee, showing up at the office, etc.  Basically continuously.  Sad and incredibly counterproductive, as well as sadly effective.
 
2013-03-01 04:37:22 PM  
This is a good thing.  Everyone that knows anything about it agrees.
The only people that don't think so is the city council, but they're corrupt idiots so their opinion doesn't matter.

/Live just North of it.
// Would sell the whole damn thing to OPC, China, or the Girls Scouts for a dollar. Whichever offers first.
 
2013-03-01 04:39:03 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: kmfjd: How many Detroit city council members will be crying racism?

Not all.  Some do, though, when waking up, getting coffee, showing up at the office, etc.  Basically continuously.  Sad and incredibly counterproductive, as well as sadly effective.


The President has already hint at it and said if it isn't a black person, the race card is getting played.  It's said how many good ideas die in Detroit, simply because the white folk up in Oakland County support it, so it must be the work of the devil.

/also hopefully AATA is able to avoid this SE Michigan transit authority bullshiat that Snyder proposes
 
2013-03-01 04:40:30 PM  

kmfjd: How many Detroit city council members will be crying racism?


I don't know. The answer depends on how many there are.
 
2013-03-01 04:40:58 PM  

ds615: This is a good thing.  Everyone that knows anything about it agrees.
The only people that don't think so is the city council, but they're corrupt idiots so their opinion doesn't matter.

/Live just North of it.
// Would sell the whole damn thing to OPC, China, or the Girls Scouts for a dollar. Whichever offers first.

The Ice Cream Man: JohnAnnArbor: The Ice Cream Man: Aidan: meyerkev: Please let it be Bing.

Bing for emergency manager?  He still can't decide if he wants to run for re-election yet, and the deadline for filing is coming up.  He's better suited to be manager for Waffle House.

He was restricted by city charter.  As EFM he would not be.

Leaders lead.  Pretenders make excuses.


Dude, he got sued basically continuously by the unions, the city council and the Detroit law office itself for the decisions he tried to implement.  It's not like he had a lot of room to maneuver.
 
2013-03-01 04:41:09 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Funny, my bad there.  I was sure I had heard it.  That's what happens when synapses age, I guess.  (I still think the idea of having poeple show up to pick up the checks was a brilliant move.)


According to the report, it was "reported nationally on CNN" (that there were Ghost employees on the payroll), but the audit itself failed to turn any up. So you probably read it on CNN or another news site at the time (before the audit was completed).. you know news organizations, they love to sensationalize, but they never come back later and go "we misreported something 6 months ago, he's what REALLY happened.." :)
 
2013-03-01 04:41:09 PM  

ds615: This is a good thing.  Everyone that knows anything about it agrees.
The only people that don't think so is the city council, but they're corrupt idiots so their opinion doesn't matter.

/Live just North of it.
// Would sell the whole damn thing to OPC, China, or the Girls Scouts for a dollar. Whichever offers first.


Yup, the City Council dug their own graves when they went all in against Bing's plans to shrink the city's service footprint.  Everyone knew it had to be done, the Mayor of the Detroit had a reasonable proposal on the table, and the farkers refused out of a fear it might remotely impact their corrupt little fiefdoms.  So now Lansing is going to do it.  Basically they proved even if an intelligent and capable executive is elected, the City Council will fark it all up.
 
2013-03-01 04:42:47 PM  

Southern100: JohnAnnArbor: Funny, my bad there.  I was sure I had heard it.  That's what happens when synapses age, I guess.  (I still think the idea of having poeple show up to pick up the checks was a brilliant move.)

According to the report, it was "reported nationally on CNN" (that there were Ghost employees on the payroll), but the audit itself failed to turn any up. So you probably read it on CNN or another news site at the time (before the audit was completed).. you know news organizations, they love to sensationalize, but they never come back later and go "we misreported something 6 months ago, he's what REALLY happened.." :)


Original report, page 1A.  Correction that invalidated it, page 34D..........
 
2013-03-01 04:45:47 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Michigan is a dictatorship. they've overthrown duly elected representatives and installed corporate cronies to do away with collective bargaining agreements and crush unions allowing then to cut the pay of city workers.


But it was okay when Granholm did it.
 
2013-03-01 04:46:22 PM  
Dismantle the rest of the gutted buildings.  Save the wood and bricks and reuse them.  Set up urban agriculture on all the clapped out land plats in the ghettos. Plant food.  Repurpose old factories that are full of rats and frozen water and crack pipes for shelter for the massively homeless and unemployed.  Shave down the auto industry to scale and support businesses that are making a profit.

Hire locally.  Promote the arts and make sure that businesses that have boards full of bloated, overpaid dipweeds pay their taxes. Give out free birth control and sexual health and family planning classes.  You just might not be a post apocalypse film location in 20 years. But if you kick the ladder away, stop pissing and moaning that nobody wants to acquire the necessary education to climb it.

Growing food is the second oldest industry on earth and the land and the economy of the area no longer supports private housing and industry.  You closed up the wage slavery shops and moved them to where there are cheaper slaves, but if you think there's no back end costs, you're deluded.

Wear the shoes that fit, start over and dance with who brung ya.  Endless growth is over.  Finis.  It never existed and the septic tank you're now trying to make habitable again is the end game of taking and putting nothing back and pulling the ripcord when the bottom falls out.  You've been treating working people like serfs and subsistence farmers for decades.  It's time to knock together some sharecropper shacks, toilets, showers and cheap heat and let the other shoe drop. You wanted to be the king amongst peasants. Touchdown.  Now start feeding and clothing your subjects before they burn your castles down.  Cause sending in more fools in funny hats to move money around to people who don't need it isn't going to reboot a model that no longer has any bearing on the actual economy of the third millennium and the people living 6 to a flat and serving you coffee will lose interest in watching your BMW roll by every day, eventually.  Nobody who can see the world they're shuttered out of is going to be content to call living a group home of scullery maids and taxi dance butlers a life.  You hear that bell?
 
2013-03-01 04:46:38 PM  

Southern100: Hobodeluxe: JohnAnnArbor: I wonder if the EFM will force all Detroit municipal employees to show up one payday to pick up their checks, in person.  The Detroit public schools EFM did that and DOZENS could not be found--fraudulent employees, drawing money out of the system.

He also found warehouses full of unused equipment.  From Blackberries to MOTORCYCLES. All paid for with $$ that was supposed to go to Detroit classrooms.

The School Board apparently thinks that's all OK, because they're the ones that allowed it.

hmm I tried to google that and came up with squat. you have a link to support that allegation?

I found it pretty easily.

http://detroitk12.org/admin/inspector_general/docs/audit_reports/200 9_ Annual_Report.pdf

The audit found that the Office lacked inventory procedures and had limited controls over its inventory including weapons. In conducting a physical inventory, the OAG found:

160 blackberry phones new in the box,
97 hand held two-way phones, new in the box
21 metal detectors
1872 new master locks
1870 video tapes
132 new safety kits
586 motion detectors
501 switch boxes
11 motorcycles (with limited mileage)
1996 Chevrolet Caprice Classic

They DID report they didn't find any "Ghost" employees, though. So not sure where that came from.


yeah that's what I was googling was the fraudulent employees. the warehouse with the unused equipment could be stuff they bought and were going to eventually use. they just bought in bulk to get a lower price.
 
2013-03-01 04:50:34 PM  
What I'm curious about...has some scam artist created a corporation to to this yet? If not, why not, and how do I set that up? You know this will be the go to model for all red states to use on democratic leaning urban areas. There is a LOT of $$$$ waiting to be pilfered from those lucky citizens.
 
2013-03-01 04:52:21 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cheron: Tunk87: Fark It: Interesting.  What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?

Detroit Tea party The Republican Party


In Detroit.  Ha.
 
2013-03-01 04:53:48 PM  
Do you have the new 6000 SUX?  Complete with barcode license plate (never noticed that before, eh?)
pics.imcdb.org
 
2013-03-01 04:56:05 PM  

ha-ha-guy: ds615: This is a good thing.  Everyone that knows anything about it agrees.
The only people that don't think so is the city council, but they're corrupt idiots so their opinion doesn't matter.

/Live just North of it.
// Would sell the whole damn thing to OPC, China, or the Girls Scouts for a dollar. Whichever offers first.

Yup, the City Council dug their own graves when they went all in against Bing's plans to shrink the city's service footprint.  Everyone knew it had to be done, the Mayor of the Detroit had a reasonable proposal on the table, and the farkers refused out of a fear it might remotely impact their corrupt little fiefdoms.  So now Lansing is going to do it.  Basically they proved even if an intelligent and capable executive is elected, the City Council will fark it all up.


This and this.

I think the emergency manager will help a lot.  The last one we had (Flint), had the power to remove elected officials all together.  Out of office and removed the office as well, so I can't wait to hear the shake up this will bring.  Our police and fire unions learned the EM is not some push over mayor worrying over reelections.  I think the EM went a little too far in some aspects, but something has to be done somewhere to get their attention.  I am sure the first thing gone off Detroit's plate will be Belle Isle, that was a gift of a deal and the council members wanted more money.  Those idiots indeed.  Just unloading that floating turd so MI can get it back to what it was 20 years ago, will mean millions on top of what MI offered Detroit.  That last cart race held there made me cry and laugh.  You know it bothered Snyder and that is probably why he is trying to repair Belle Isle.  I don't usually like Snyder, but when I do it is usually good.
 
2013-03-01 04:57:49 PM  

bunner: Growing food is the second oldest industry on earth and the land and the economy of the area no longer supports private housing and industry. You closed up the wage slavery shops and moved them to where there are cheaper slaves, but if you think there's no back end costs, you're deluded.



I smell the stench of the Politicians that for decades have sold us down the river via traitorous trade policies - and the Corporats and Banksters that bought them.
 
2013-03-01 04:59:47 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: yeegrek: And the inevitable climax of the Teabagger Revolution finally comes around.

I generally try to avoid playing this game (but I'll power through it this one time):  Can anyone else imagine the psychotic ragegasm that would erupt from the right if a Democratic Governor told, say, a part of Appalachia that it was no longer fit to govern itself and therefore it's elected representatives would be swept aside in favor of the Gov's cronies?   I'm sure they'd handle it with the same general sense of calm and lack of hyperbole that they always handle things with.

To be fair, you'd have to find a case where such a situation exists. Can you? I can point to dozens of cities, including the one nearest to me (Harrisburg, PA), that have been savaged by the policies of their leaders. With very few exceptions, they are all governed by Democrats.

Is that a reflection of the party as a whole or the mores of the locales in question? Maybe a little bit of both. But mostly it's the failure of the electorate to vote for people who will govern responsibly instead of running on ridiculous populism and promises that they simply cannot keep without driving the city into the ground, which they then invariably do.


Fair questions.  I do think that overall, urban voters (of all colors) look to the Dems as the only realistic choice, fairly or unfairly.  I do think the "Real Americans in Flyover Country" rhetoric doesn't help. I would argue that this leaves whatever Dem left at the top of the hill after the leadership battles end as the only possible choice.  Hardly survival of the fittest.

For example, I cannot accept that Kwame Kilpatrick was the best possible Democrat in Detroit.  If so, the party should be nuked from space.  You see at all levels what happens when voters consider one party to be viable, and the leadership battles are decided by money spent, not quality of ideas.  Is Michael Bloomberg the smartest guy in New York?  Probably not, but no one is going to outspend him.  Then at the federal level, you have Michelle Bachmann, Louie Gohmert, Paul Broun, I could go on.  I would argue that it's less about party policies, than the deeply, deeply flawed process of leadership selection.
 
2013-03-01 04:59:54 PM  

Thresher: Do you have the new 6000 SUX?  Complete with barcode license plate (never noticed that before, eh?)
[pics.imcdb.org image 850x478]


So you have heard of the Pontiac 6000 SUX.  You should've got the Pontiac 6000 LE, or as I have also heard it called the 'goolie'.
 
2013-03-01 05:00:07 PM  

birdboy2000: If Obama decided to remove Michigan's governor for partisan reasons and appoint a democrat in his place, and a partisan supreme court signed off on it, the nation would be justly outraged.  Yet Michigan's governor is doing the same thing to democratic cities and towns across the state.


1) States vs. Feds.  States have a lot more leeway.
2) Something like 40% of the state lives in or around Detroit.  As Detroit goes, so goes the big fat anchor around Michigan's neck.
3) Detroit's so far gone with so much ingrained corruption and other problems, that bringing in an outsider who can say FU with middle fingers held high (or as I've mentioned: Bing) is probably the only real way forwards.

/Family lives near there, and general consensus (other than the token liberals) is: "It's about time."
//Also, Livonia stopped funding road maintenance or road clearing which is nice.
 
2013-03-01 05:00:55 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Frank N Stein: Michigan should just boot Detroit from the state. Is tha possible?

Canada's not buying.


Canadians always brag about how "multi-cultural" Canada is.

Buying Detroit would double their diversity overnight.
 
2013-03-01 05:01:59 PM  

Amos Quito: bunner: Growing food is the second oldest industry on earth and the land and the economy of the area no longer supports private housing and industry. You closed up the wage slavery shops and moved them to where there are cheaper slaves, but if you think there's no back end costs, you're deluded.


I smell the stench of the Politicians that for decades have sold us down the river via traitorous trade policies - and the Corporats and Banksters that bought them.


Everybody knows the party is over and the people who have access to the kitchen are just trying to empty all the leftovers and silverware into their trunk before the lights go out.  There is no government, there are no job creators, the is no "viable emergency management plan".  This is the fire sale.  And it's gonna happen while we argue wither each other over which smart phone is better, who makes the coolest spinning rims and whether or not McDonald's is better than Burger King.  Business plans.  Don't be on the ass end of them.
 
2013-03-01 05:02:17 PM  

toby34a: aerojockey: Every time I read about Detroit I am amazed the same thing didn't happen to  Pittsburgh.  Pittsburgh had the same drastic loss in manufacturing and population, probably worse, in fact, but somehow didn't turn into a hell-hole.  And we did it with people we elected ourselves!

It didn't happen in Cleveland, either.


Well, yes, it didn't make Cleveland any more of a shiat-hole than it already was, if that's what you mean,
 
2013-03-01 05:02:38 PM  

iheartscotch: Can we all just admit that, combined with many other factors; rampant corruption, cronyism, shear incompetence and chronic mismanagement has driven the once great city Nation of Detroit the U.S.A. to the equivalent of a third world hell hole?

/ and no one in politics is innocent

FFTFYD
 
2013-03-01 05:03:40 PM  

Hobodeluxe: yeah that's what I was googling was the fraudulent employees. the warehouse with the unused equipment could be stuff they bought and were going to eventually use. they just bought in bulk to get a lower price.


I just read the entire report - it's an interesting read, but probably not something that isn't happening in hundreds of other school districts nationwide.  Just about every week or two there's a story on our local news about how some school administrator in the local school district got caught by an undercover camera with his (or her) hand in the cookie jar..
 
2013-03-01 05:05:01 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: ddam: This is what happens when Red Wings are not guaranteed to make the playoffs.

Hey they are moving up in the power rankings.

I mean not that I care, Im a Chicago fan so I am contractually obligated to hate St Louis more


It is in your best interest to pick on an American team with fewer Stanley Cups than you have. The Blues are the Bills of the NHL.

\The Wings are the Steelers
 
2013-03-01 05:05:58 PM  
iheartscotch: Can we all just admit that, combined with many other factors; rampant corruption, cronyism, shear incompetence and chronic mismanagement has driven the once great city Nation of Detroit the U.S.A. to the equivalent of a third world hell hole?

You know how in those mob movies, they get this really nice joint and milk it dry and then bust it out and threaten to shoot anybody who complains?  Ah ha ha.  Ever get the feeling you've  been cheated?
 
2013-03-01 05:06:39 PM  
Corrupt, bigoted, racist black politicians?
onemansblog.com
 
2013-03-01 05:08:35 PM  

birdboy2000: If Obama decided to remove Michigan's governor for partisan reasons and appoint a democrat in his place, and a partisan supreme court signed off on it, the nation would be justly outraged.  Yet Michigan's governor is doing the same thing to democratic cities and towns across the state.


Of Michigan's large Democrat-controlled cities, only Ann Arbor isn't the equivalent of a failed-state.

Hell, even some of the tiny towns are Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome-levels of hopeless.
 
2013-03-01 05:08:43 PM  
The growth is over.  Over.  The American dream has been moved.  The new American success story is to be a very astute chiseler, grab what you can before they repo the joint and stay off the radar.  That's why that airbrushed eagle is crying.
 
2013-03-01 05:09:54 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cheron: Tunk87: Fark It: Interesting.  What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?

Detroit Tea party The Republican Party


The blame for this farkup lies solely with the Democrats.  They have had complete control of Detroit for decades.
 
2013-03-01 05:10:10 PM  

yeegrek: For example, I cannot accept that Kwame Kilpatrick was the best possible Democrat in Detroit. If so, the party should be nuked from space. You see at all levels what happens when voters consider one party to be viable, and the leadership battles are decided by money spent, not quality of ideas. Is Michael Bloomberg the smartest guy in New York? Probably not, but no one is going to outspend him. Then at the federal level, you have Michelle Bachmann, Louie Gohmert, Paul Broun, I could go on. I would argue that it's less about party policies, than the deeply, deeply flawed process of leadership selection.


The conflict you're dealing with goes away when you realize that the parties, for all of their public political positions, are simply an apparatus to nominate people. What I suspect happened was that the Democrats long ago destroyed the Republicans for justifiable reasons, and now they are the only game in town. As a result, the "Democratic Party" in places like Detroit is nothing more than the way to nominate a candidate, since the erstwhile opposition is long gone and will never re-establish itself.

Detroit politics is like San Angeles' food choices: now all restaurants are Taco Bell.
 
2013-03-01 05:11:40 PM  

The Ice Cream Man: JohnAnnArbor: The Ice Cream Man: Aidan: meyerkev: Please let it be Bing.

Bing for emergency manager?  He still can't decide if he wants to run for re-election yet, and the deadline for filing is coming up.  He's better suited to be manager for Waffle House.

He was restricted by city charter.  As EFM he would not be.

Leaders lead.  Pretenders make excuses.


Detroit has a weak-mayor structure. It's the city council that has power.
 
2013-03-01 05:12:13 PM  

Before this thread goes full scale partisan hackery, I just wanted to proffer this plain-as-the-balls-on-a-tall-dog factoid.

"Liberal", "Conservative"  "Democrat" and "Republican" are

a b s o l u t e l y

m e a n i n g l e s s .



You're welcome.
 
2013-03-01 05:13:10 PM  

ha-ha-guy: ds615: This is a good thing.  Everyone that knows anything about it agrees.
The only people that don't think so is the city council, but they're corrupt idiots so their opinion doesn't matter.

/Live just North of it.
// Would sell the whole damn thing to OPC, China, or the Girls Scouts for a dollar. Whichever offers first.

Yup, the City Council dug their own graves when they went all in against Bing's plans to shrink the city's service footprint.  Everyone knew it had to be done, the Mayor of the Detroit had a reasonable proposal on the table, and the farkers refused out of a fear it might remotely impact their corrupt little fiefdoms.  So now Lansing is going to do it.  Basically they proved even if an intelligent and capable executive is elected, the City Council will fark it all up.


The city council started digging their grave when Coleman Young let them ransack the place for their own personal gains. It's just been going down from there.

Grew up in the Oakland Co. suburbs and haven't been back in years but still breaks my heart to see it has become this bad. Is Bing the right solution though? I think it would be interesting to see a business/finance type come in and clean up the books.
 
2013-03-01 05:13:45 PM  

IgG4: So much for Democracy. Well, we had a good run...


Considering how Detroit lost more than half its population over the last 50 years, I wouldn't  call that a good run.  Also since the leaders of Detroit have so royally farked it up over the last 50 years, the state has had to appoint someone to manage the city's finances.  The people of Detroit have well proven that they are incapable of finding someone.
 
2013-03-01 05:14:19 PM  

bunner: Before this thread goes full scale partisan hackery, I just wanted to proffer this plain-as-the-balls-on-a-tall-dog factoid.

"Liberal", "Conservative"  "Democrat" and "Republican" are

a b s o l u t e l y

m e a n i n g l e s s .


You're welcome.


You:
 
2013-03-01 05:14:58 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Frank N Stein: Michigan should just boot Detroit from the state. Is tha possible?

Meh, it keeps the Canucks on their side of the Detroit River.


Judging by the looks of Windsor, Ontario vs Detroit, the Canadians taking over would be a vast improvement.
 
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