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2013-03-01 03:52:33 PM
Gov. Rick Snyder today pulled the trigger and announced he will appoint an emergency financial manager (EFM)
The decision means Motown will soon have a new boss in charge of restructuring Detroit's dire financial mess. That restructuring likely will include drastic cuts in public services and a top-down rethinking of the type of government a shrunken city with a dwindling tax base can afford.
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"I don't support the appointment of an EFM as it eliminates democratically elected leadership in our city," said Brown, a former deputy police chief.

That sure make's it clear what this is for / and against.
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2013-03-01 03:53:20 PM

Callous: Yes, everyone knows that Detroit is just a bastion of Republicans and conservatism.


To be fair, that one side has had explicit power in the area is testament that a two party system that work hand in hand towards a centrist compromise is critical to our democracy.

Course, the door swings both ways. Look at the dysfunction in the Senate and House
 
2013-03-01 03:54:07 PM

Lost Thought 00: By the same logic, Obama could throw out a state legislature and governor, overturn all their state laws, and install his own appointees as the new government


It's not really an apt comparison because the states are enshrined in the Constitution. Cities in Michigan are explicitly established by the State.
 
2013-03-01 03:54:11 PM
The derp will be epic on this thread.

Continue please.

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2013-03-01 03:54:17 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cheron: Tunk87: Fark It: Interesting. What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?

Detroit Tea party The Republican Party Democrats

The United States
 
2013-03-01 03:55:31 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Callous: Yes, everyone knows that Detroit is just a bastion of Republicans and conservatism.

To be fair, that one side has had explicit power in the area is testament that a two party system that work hand in hand towards a centrist compromise is critical to our democracy.

Course, the door swings both ways. Look at the dysfunction in the Senate and House


We need leadership that doesn't act like children.

/cue the shills who blame the other side while saying their side is never part of the problem.
 
2013-03-01 03:55:46 PM

meyerkev: Please let it be Bing.


I'd like to see that, tentatively. I'd like to know what exactly Bing would do given more power. I know he's done as much as he could, but is that because his hands are tied or because he's just not good enough? I THINK it's the former, but I'm not certain.
 
2013-03-01 03:56:11 PM

MuonNeutrino: Why Would I Read the Article: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cheron: Tunk87: Fark It: Interesting. What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?

Detroit Tea party The Republican Party Democrats The United States

F*ck you, I got mine.
 
2013-03-01 03:56:18 PM

Bigdogdaddy: The derp will be epic on this thread.

Continue please.

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Oooh, you brought kettle corn.  And M&M's. And gumdrops. And apple rings.

Hello, new best friend.
 
2013-03-01 03:57:57 PM

Aidan: meyerkev: Please let it be Bing.

I'd like to see that, tentatively. I'd like to know what exactly Bing would do given more power. I know he's done as much as he could, but is that because his hands are tied or because he's just not good enough? I THINK it's the former, but I'm not certain.


It seems like the structural setup in Detroit makes Bing much weaker than a big-city mayor typically is.  So it would make sense to (essentially) give him the power and let him run with it.
 
2013-03-01 03:59:01 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cheron: Tunk87: Fark It: Interesting.  What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?

Detroit Tea party The Republican Party


Pffft. Detroit hasn't seen a republican since Louis Miriani back in 1962.  Hell, I doubt you'd find one willing to even go in that city in anything less than a Sherman tank.
 
2013-03-01 04:00:09 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Aidan: meyerkev: Please let it be Bing.

I'd like to see that, tentatively. I'd like to know what exactly Bing would do given more power. I know he's done as much as he could, but is that because his hands are tied or because he's just not good enough? I THINK it's the former, but I'm not certain.

It seems like the structural setup in Detroit makes Bing much weaker than a big-city mayor typically is.  So it would make sense to (essentially) give him the power and let him run with it.


Agreed. I've been keeping an ear out for more stuff on the Detroit Blight Authority, but no new news there. I wonder if it'll be affected by this.
 
2013-03-01 04:01:21 PM

meyerkev: just stop servicing entire neighborhoods.


Dude, that is what I told your Mom.

/Sorry, had to
 
2013-03-01 04:01:35 PM

Southern100: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cheron: Tunk87: Fark It: Interesting.  What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?

Detroit Tea party The Republican Party

Pffft. Detroit hasn't seen a republican since Louis Miriani back in 1962.  Hell, I doubt you'd find one willing to even go in that city in anything less than a Sherman tank.


There was one councilman in the 1980s, briefly.  And the Republican Convention was held in Detroit in 1980.   Really.
 
2013-03-01 04:01:40 PM
This is what happens when Red Wings are not guaranteed to make the playoffs.
 
2013-03-01 04:02:08 PM

Southern100: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cheron: Tunk87: Fark It: Interesting.  What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?

Detroit Tea party The Republican Party

Pffft. Detroit hasn't seen a republican since Louis Miriani back in 1962.  Hell, I doubt you'd find one willing to even go in that city in anything less than a Sherman tank.


It's also funny (infuriating) when the news says things like "Romney visited Detroit today, to talk to people at Chrysler headquarters."

For those of you not in the know, that's nowhere near Detroit. Not even close, geographically, financially, or socially.
 
2013-03-01 04:03:19 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: To be fair, that one side has had explicit power in the area is testament that a two party system that work hand in hand towards a centrist compromise is critical to our democracy.


I like the cut of your jib.
 
2013-03-01 04:04:31 PM

Fark It: Interesting.  What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?


As they saying goes "As you sow, so shall you reap."

Of course, it sucks worse to be the rest of us since we'll have to bail them out.
 
2013-03-01 04:04:36 PM
All this aside, I really want to know what they are going to do with all the brownfields and other toxic sites that the captains of industry abandoned as manufacturing fled Detroit.
 
2013-03-01 04:04:38 PM

Aidan: JohnAnnArbor: Aidan: meyerkev: Please let it be Bing.

I'd like to see that, tentatively. I'd like to know what exactly Bing would do given more power. I know he's done as much as he could, but is that because his hands are tied or because he's just not good enough? I THINK it's the former, but I'm not certain.

It seems like the structural setup in Detroit makes Bing much weaker than a big-city mayor typically is.  So it would make sense to (essentially) give him the power and let him run with it.

Agreed. I've been keeping an ear out for more stuff on the Detroit Blight Authority, but no new news there. I wonder if it'll be affected by this.


The idea of essentially abandoning entire neighborhoods (to allow services to be turned off) has merit, but will be very difficult to actually do, for a number of very good reasons (people don't want to move, property-ownership issues, etc.).  But drastic times call for at least looking at drastic solutions.

FYI for outsiders: Detroit had almost 2 million people in 1960 and has around 750,000 now.
 
2013-03-01 04:06:26 PM

ddam: This is what happens when Red Wings are not guaranteed to make the playoffs.


Hey they are moving up in the power rankings.

I mean not that I care, Im a Chicago fan so I am contractually obligated to hate St Louis more
 
2013-03-01 04:06:34 PM

meat0918: All this aside, I really want to know what they are going to do with all the brownfields and other toxic sites that the captains of industry abandoned as manufacturing fled Detroit.


I'm not certain, but I was told that many of them simply sit vacant with the expectation that a buyer would have to pay the full amount to do cleanup.

I'd be very happy to be wrong, though!
 
2013-03-01 04:06:46 PM
Every time I read about Detroit I am amazed the same thing didn't happen to  Pittsburgh.  Pittsburgh had the same drastic loss in manufacturing and population, probably worse, in fact, but somehow didn't turn into a hell-hole.  And we did it with people we elected ourselves!
 
2013-03-01 04:07:39 PM

meat0918: All this aside, I really want to know what they are going to do with all the brownfields and other toxic sites that the captains of industry abandoned as manufacturing fled Detroit.


Heck, how about all the smaller stuff?  Old dry cleaners, electronic parts plants, etc.......  I bet mining the old phone directories and testing soil would find a LOT of junk.  And if "urban farming" is to happen, you'd better do your soil testing first!

Uniroyal's getting cleaned up near the Belle Isle bridge, but that's just one project.
 
2013-03-01 04:08:48 PM

Aidan: Southern100: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cheron: Tunk87: Fark It: Interesting.  What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?

Detroit Tea party The Republican Party

Pffft. Detroit hasn't seen a republican since Louis Miriani back in 1962.  Hell, I doubt you'd find one willing to even go in that city in anything less than a Sherman tank.

It's also funny (infuriating) when the news says things like "Romney visited Detroit today, to talk to people at Chrysler headquarters."

For those of you not in the know, that's nowhere near Detroit. Not even close, geographically, financially, or socially.


Some people use the term "Detroit" to mean "the domestic auto industry".  It's like how people use the term "Hollywood" to mean "the film industry", even though there is only minimal film production in Hollywood itself.
 
2013-03-01 04:09:02 PM
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2013-03-01 04:09:17 PM

Aidan: I'm not certain, but I was told that many of them simply sit vacant with the expectation that a buyer would have to pay the full amount to do cleanup.

I'd be very happy to be wrong, though!


There are already several EPA superfund sites in Michigan and there are a bevy of others to try and fix those
 
2013-03-01 04:10:11 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cheron: Tunk87: Fark It: Interesting.  What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?

Detroit Tea party The Republican Party


so how iis it that all the elected in the city are dark democrates?
 
2013-03-01 04:11:25 PM
Is it too late to give it back to the Indians?
How about the French?
 
2013-03-01 04:12:04 PM

aerojockey: Every time I read about Detroit I am amazed the same thing didn't happen to  Pittsburgh.  Pittsburgh had the same drastic loss in manufacturing and population, probably worse, in fact, but somehow didn't turn into a hell-hole.  And we did it with people we elected ourselves!


It didn't happen in Cleveland, either.  Detroit is a special kind of shiat-hole.

Use eminent domain.  Take over the land.  Move the families.  Pay for it by moving them to a better house in a different neighborhood.  Scrap everything.  Sell the land to agribusiness, found new farmer's markets that have locally sourced produce.

Basically, it's like taking all the stuff in Sim City 2000 where you've got so many bonds that you can't finance anything more and have to bulldoze everything.
 
2013-03-01 04:12:13 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Aidan: I'm not certain, but I was told that many of them simply sit vacant with the expectation that a buyer would have to pay the full amount to do cleanup.

I'd be very happy to be wrong, though!

There are already several EPA superfund sites in Michigan and there are a bevy of others to try and fix those


I thought though that brownfields are typically not polluted enough to warrant Superfund monies.  The EPA has an entire separate branch to deal with brownfields. http://www.epa.gov/brownfields/

//And here is where you can look up your local Superfund sites http://www.epa.gov/superfund/sites/
 
2013-03-01 04:13:50 PM
Detroit? I'd buy that for a dollar.
 
2013-03-01 04:13:59 PM

meat0918: I thought though that brownfields are typically not polluted enough to warrant Superfund monies. The EPA has an entire separate branch to deal with brownfields. http://www.epa.gov/brownfields/

//And here is where you can look up your local Superfund sites http://www.epa.gov/superfund/sites/


As they demolish and clear land last I heard there was a push to collectively gather many of the brown sites into one large superfund because of the total land area of the pollution not necessarily the amount and breadth.

It was rejected several years back but given the increase in razed land I think they are going to try to propose it again
 
2013-03-01 04:15:03 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: meat0918: I thought though that brownfields are typically not polluted enough to warrant Superfund monies. The EPA has an entire separate branch to deal with brownfields. http://www.epa.gov/brownfields/

//And here is where you can look up your local Superfund sites http://www.epa.gov/superfund/sites/

As they demolish and clear land last I heard there was a push to collectively gather many of the brown sites into one large superfund because of the total land area of the pollution not necessarily the amount and breadth.

It was rejected several years back but given the increase in razed land I think they are going to try to propose it again


That would be amazing.

//Former Michigan resident.
 
2013-03-01 04:15:05 PM
If Obama decided to remove Michigan's governor for partisan reasons and appoint a democrat in his place, and a partisan supreme court signed off on it, the nation would be justly outraged.  Yet Michigan's governor is doing the same thing to democratic cities and towns across the state.
 
2013-03-01 04:15:06 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Frank N Stein: Michigan should just boot Detroit from the state. Is tha possible?

Canada's not buying.


It is our best chance of winning a Stanley Cup.....
 
2013-03-01 04:16:10 PM

yeegrek: And the inevitable climax of the Teabagger Revolution finally comes around.

I generally try to avoid playing this game (but I'll power through it this one time):  Can anyone else imagine the psychotic ragegasm that would erupt from the right if a Democratic Governor told, say, a part of Appalachia that it was no longer fit to govern itself and therefore it's elected representatives would be swept aside in favor of the Gov's cronies?   I'm sure they'd handle it with the same general sense of calm and lack of hyperbole that they always handle things with.


To be fair, you'd have to find a case where such a situation exists. Can you? I can point to dozens of cities, including the one nearest to me (Harrisburg, PA), that have been savaged by the policies of their leaders. With very few exceptions, they are all governed by Democrats.

Is that a reflection of the party as a whole or the mores of the locales in question? Maybe a little bit of both. But mostly it's the failure of the electorate to vote for people who will govern responsibly instead of running on ridiculous populism and promises that they simply cannot keep without driving the city into the ground, which they then invariably do.
 
2013-03-01 04:16:58 PM

JohnAnnArbor: I wonder if the EFM will force all Detroit municipal employees to show up one payday to pick up their checks, in person.  The Detroit public schools EFM did that and DOZENS could not be found--fraudulent employees, drawing money out of the system.

He also found warehouses full of unused equipment.  From Blackberries to MOTORCYCLES. All paid for with $$ that was supposed to go to Detroit classrooms.

The School Board apparently thinks that's all OK, because they're the ones that allowed it.


hmm I tried to google that and came up with squat. you have a link to support that allegation?
 
2013-03-01 04:18:22 PM

Vance Uppercut: JohnAnnArbor: Frank N Stein: Michigan should just boot Detroit from the state. Is tha possible?

Canada's not buying.

It is our best chance of winning a Stanley Cup.....


Buy the tunnel and enough land to connect it to Joe Louis Arena.
 
2013-03-01 04:19:27 PM

Lost Thought 00: By the same logic, Obama could throw out a state legislature and governor, overturn all their state laws, and install his own appointees as the new government


Sure, because state constitutions and the US Constitution are exactly the same.
 
2013-03-01 04:20:09 PM

meat0918: That would be amazing.

//Former Michigan resident.


Its a long shot, but given the shiat hole Detroit has dug themselves into it could honestly be a nice turn around.
 
2013-03-01 04:20:52 PM

JustGetItRight: Sure, because state constitutions and the US Constitution are exactly the same.


Its not like our representatives read them to begin with
 
2013-03-01 04:21:08 PM

birdboy2000: If Obama decided to remove Michigan's governor for partisan reasons and appoint a democrat in his place, and a partisan supreme court signed off on it, the nation would be justly outraged.  Yet Michigan's governor is doing the same thing to democratic cities and towns across the state.


The states don't exist at the pleasure of the federal government. Municipalities generally exist at the pleasure of the state government.
 
2013-03-01 04:21:57 PM
Michigan is a dictatorship. they've overthrown duly elected representatives and installed corporate cronies to do away with collective bargaining agreements and crush unions allowing then to cut the pay of city workers.
 
2013-03-01 04:23:49 PM

Southern100: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Cheron: Tunk87: Fark It: Interesting.  What happens to democracy when people and their elected representatives are too illiterate, apathetic, corrupt, and/or incompetent?

Detroit Tea party The Republican Party

Pffft. Detroit hasn't seen a republican since Louis Miriani back in 1962.  Hell, I doubt you'd find one willing to even go in that city in anything less than a Sherman tank.


Shermans don't have thick enough armor and they're gasoline burners.

A Republican attempting to enter Detroit will need at least an up-gunned M-48. but I'd go late model M-60 just to be sure.
 
2013-03-01 04:26:54 PM

yeegrek: Can anyone else imagine the psychotic ragegasm that would erupt from the right if a Democratic Governor told, say, a part of Appalachia that it was no longer fit to govern itself and therefore it's elected representatives would be swept aside in favor of the Gov's cronies?   I'm sure they'd handle it with the same general sense of calm and lack of hyperbole that they always handle things with.


If governing yourself was the criterion Appalachia would already be under National Guard occupation.
 
2013-03-01 04:26:59 PM

Hobodeluxe: Michigan is a dictatorship. they've overthrown duly elected representatives and installed corporate cronies to do away with collective bargaining agreements and crush unions allowing then to cut the pay of city workers.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-01 04:27:46 PM

Hobodeluxe: JohnAnnArbor: I wonder if the EFM will force all Detroit municipal employees to show up one payday to pick up their checks, in person.  The Detroit public schools EFM did that and DOZENS could not be found--fraudulent employees, drawing money out of the system.

He also found warehouses full of unused equipment.  From Blackberries to MOTORCYCLES. All paid for with $$ that was supposed to go to Detroit classrooms.

The School Board apparently thinks that's all OK, because they're the ones that allowed it.

hmm I tried to google that and came up with squat. you have a link to support that allegation?


Here and here.  Note the second story where the principal stole AP test fees from students.
 
2013-03-01 04:28:10 PM

Hobodeluxe: Michigan is a dictatorship. they've overthrown duly elected representatives and installed corporate cronies to do away with collective bargaining agreements and crush unions allowing then to cut the pay of city workers.


And after all the unions have done for that city.
 
2013-03-01 04:29:13 PM

Aidan: meyerkev: Please let it be Bing.

I'd like to see that, tentatively. I'd like to know what exactly Bing would do given more power. I know he's done as much as he could, but is that because his hands are tied or because he's just not good enough? I THINK it's the former, but I'm not certain.


What makes you think Bing would be any better as emergency manager?  He's been mayor for three years, and has had a revolving door of executive staff the entire time!  My biggest complaint against Bing is that he needed to be decisive from DAY ONE, yet he came into office with no clue of how bad things were, and no plan on how to fix them.  This "One Detroit" nonsense was a multi year long consensus project:  ask the citizens what they want, when all the citizens want to do is shout down anyone who has an idea that doesn't involve getting phantom money that the state "owes" the city.

What is also missing from this discussion is that the City has been under a "Consent Agreement" since about last April.  The city should have been under an emergency manager from that time forward, but Gov. Snyder naively gave the city one more chance to get its house in order.   Now we are another two billion deeper in debt with nothing to show for it.

It wouldn't surprise me if the city ends up in Chapter 9 bankruptcy.  The biggest problem I see with that is that all of the bond holders have their bonds guaranteed by the pension funds.  In other words, if the city defaults, the rich people who bought the muni bonds will be made whole, while the working stiffs will lose their pensions.  I am no fan of the Detroit civil service, but still...

Bing for emergency manager?  He still can't decide if he wants to run for re-election yet, and the deadline for filing is coming up.  He's better suited to be manager for Waffle House.
 
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