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2013-03-01 02:19:48 PM  
Almost like it's called "lowest common denominator" for a reason
 
2013-03-01 02:36:38 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Almost like it's called "lowest common denominator" for a reason


No, lowest common denominator is "How I met your Mother" and "Big Bang Theory".  "Kitchen Nightmares" is last in the ratings, but it's cheap to produce.
 
2013-03-01 03:01:03 PM  
If you can't stand a little bullying, how are you going to stand up to the pressures of everyday life?
 
2013-03-01 03:26:28 PM  
What aggression!! STFU!!!!
 
2013-03-01 03:26:43 PM  
Human nature is human nature. No matter how many feel-good-but-ultimately-useless "stop x" campaigns you throw at it.
 
2013-03-01 03:28:22 PM  
Bumpered
 
2013-03-01 03:28:45 PM  
Wasn't there a documentary about this a few years back?  I believe it was called Idiocracy.
 
2013-03-01 03:33:54 PM  
I've got a crazy idea; maybe someone should punch Gordon Ramsey in the face every time he yells at someone. Either, he will eventually quit, or he'll loose the tv show spot because his face looks like it had a close encounter of the shop grinder kind.
 
2013-03-01 03:36:58 PM  

sure haven't: Human nature is human nature. No matter how many feel-good-but-ultimately-useless "stop x" campaigns you throw at it.


We've actually changed human behavior a lot over the last few thousand years--not the min and max necessarily, but lots of behaviors that were once tolerated are now actively avoided or shunned.  Education, shaming, laws, and other social pressures eventually do make a difference, but they're constantly being unraveled by people who don't want to change, so it's important to keep the pressure on.

You can watch our (relatively) rapidly changing treatment of LGBT folks over the past few decades as a real-time example of this.
 
2013-03-01 03:37:50 PM  
♫ ...just don't look, just don't look, ♫
 
2013-03-01 03:39:11 PM  
If a garbage show costs 1/50 of a good show
and gets 1/25 the audience of a good show
and gets 80% the ad revenue of a good show
Which one are they going to go with?
 
2013-03-01 03:39:15 PM  

iheartscotch: I've got a crazy idea; maybe someone should punch Gordon Ramsey in the face every time he yells at someone. Either, he will eventually quit, or he'll loose the tv show spot because his face looks like it had a close encounter of the shop grinder kind.


If you do that the ratings will double.
 
2013-03-01 03:43:11 PM  
My daughter loves the show Dance Moms.  If you've never seen it, it's essentially a reality show about a competative dance class, with this fat, ugly, mean woman for a teacher, and the mothers of the girls in the class.

Every episode is pretty much the teach yelling at the kids, and the mother's yelling at the teacher.  It's just horrible.

I've been objecting to her watching it, but she loves the show for the dance routines...  Somehow she can get by all the yelling.  Me?  I have to leave the room.  I can't stand shiat like that.
 
2013-03-01 03:43:47 PM  
In a hundred years, I envision a world were people are locked up in small rooms. We have no physical interaction with others for fear of being bully, disrespected, offended or placed in any other discomfort. All interaction will be done by video after it has been screened by the government to "protect us".
 
2013-03-01 03:44:49 PM  
FTA:"What message gets through? And which do we emulate at work or school? "

The instant I read that, I knew this article was written by a woman.
 
2013-03-01 03:45:54 PM  
Hypocrisy isn't a particularly new phenomenon in people, so this comes as no surprise.
 
2013-03-01 03:48:06 PM  
Healthy people feel comforted when seeing another person mistreated because it's not them. Anyone who empathizes is maladjusted. Compassion kills, as that guy said in the bunker in Berlin just before he shot his wife, his dog, and himself.
 
2013-03-01 03:48:54 PM  

SurfaceTension: If you can't stand a little bullying, how are you going to stand up to the pressures of everyday life?


This is funny because bullies tend to be the most thin-skinned people of all.  I guarantee you that if you try to reflect an ounce of the disrespect your bully shows to you, you will provoke a fierce backlash from him.  They tend to be conceited assholes who expect to be treated like minor royalty even though they treat you shabbily. The assholes who make my workplace hell will throw a tantrum if you don't do as they say or if you embarrass them in some way. Really it's the bullies that need to learn how to chill the fark out and ease off on other people.
 
2013-03-01 03:55:02 PM  
Didn't read TFA but exactly when did people think humans were more compassionate in the past? Was it when we owned slaves of typically different races or castes than ourselves? When we had serfs? When we had indentured servitude? When women were viewed as property? How about when we had constant conquest for new territory in the name of God and king? How about forced conversions of native peoples to Christianity?

I'm sure I could think of lots more examples of a group of people being jerks, but I think I've given enough examples. Society is neither compassionate nor dispassionate as it's always been. If anything we as a species are prone to cliquishness and punishing those that aren't "in" with us. A recent president in the US that inelequently stated "you're either with us or you are with the terrorists"?
 
2013-03-01 04:00:11 PM  
This just in: People are scum.

Go fark yourself at 11
 
2013-03-01 04:02:52 PM  

ohokyeah: Didn't read TFA but exactly when did people think humans were more compassionate in the past? Was it when we owned slaves of typically different races or castes than ourselves? When we had serfs? When we had indentured servitude? When women were viewed as property? How about when we had constant conquest for new territory in the name of God and king? How about forced conversions of native peoples to Christianity?

I'm sure I could think of lots more examples of a group of people being jerks, but I think I've given enough examples. Society is neither compassionate nor dispassionate as it's always been. If anything we as a species are prone to cliquishness and punishing those that aren't "in" with us. A recent president in the US that inelequently stated "you're either with us or you are with the terrorists"?


Because each generation thinks they are somehow special. They think they're the one with the worst teenagers. They think they were the one with the best music. They're constantly looking at things through rose tinted glasses, and bemoaning things going downhill. They think they're the one that will witness the apocalypse. They think they are the ones that will cause the apocalypse.

Or in the words of GWAR, "Each generation thinks their time has come; clutching at the threads of martyrdom."
 
2013-03-01 04:03:34 PM  

SurfaceTension: If you can't stand a little bullying, how are you going to stand up to the pressures of everyday life?


The point isn't that it doesn't happen in every day life now and again, the point is that these shows have people on them hamming it up for the cameras, encouraged by producers looking for drama to broadcast, and then it all gets labelled "reality", when the real reality is that if these relationships were truly that toxic, they wouldn't last.
 
2013-03-01 04:09:14 PM  
I like Kitchen Nightmares. I think Gordon Ramsay is hilarious when he starts yelling, I keep expecting him to have a stroke or heart attack or something. Having said that, I've been told in the past that I should give more compliments because when I give them they are amazing and leave people feeling great. My response was that it was because they were deserved, the person was probably feeling pride. Has nothing to do with my ability to compliment. I don't call them idiots or stupid though, perhaps in my head but not to their faces. People crave these compliments from Ramsay for the same reason. He doesn't give a compliment unless someone deserves it and if you watch the show, you know that. I don't see that as bullying...People sign up for this stuff knowing they will be called stupid donkies.
 
2013-03-01 04:11:03 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: ♫ ...just don't look, just don't look, ♫


Exactly.  If so many people didn't give into this "guilty pleasure" these shows would go away.  I've never understood the appeal.  They feel mean and degrading and they make me feel like a bad person for watching .  Why do we reward bad people for bad behavior?
 
2013-03-01 04:11:32 PM  
Gordon Rasmey is a bully???  Clearly the person who thinks that has never had any real experience with an Army or Marine drill instructor or drill sergeant.  And that's really how I view Gordon Rasmey.  He's a restaurant drill sergeant.  He's going to ride you and expect a certain level of output from you in all areas, but it's not because he's a sadist, but because he's your last chance at keeping your restaurant alive.  In much the same way a drill sergeant is going to ride you and yell and expect a certain level of output from you, but it's not sadism, it's because as a soldier you're going to be expected to work at a professional level in a high stress environment.

And if Gordon Rasmey and that Dance Mom biatch are bullies, then what do we call coaches?

The difference between people like Gordon Ramsey and a bully is that Gordon Ramsey is out there attempting to improve people's professional careers.  A coach is out there to improve the performance of his team.  A bully is there just to terrorize, abuse, put down, etc with no goal of improving anyone but his own self worth.  Anyone who can't see that shouldn't be taken serious.
 
2013-03-01 04:12:09 PM  

Active introvert: In a hundred years, I envision a world were people are locked up in small rooms. We have no physical interaction with others for fear of being bully, disrespected, offended or placed in any other discomfort. All interaction will be done by video after it has been screened by the government to "protect us".


In a hundred years, I envision a world where the word bully is considered old English, it has to be looked up, and the school children of the time can't even conceive of the concept. A world where socialism is the norm and paying your taxes means giving 10% of your time to the state. Where capitalism is dead, because there is no need for it, but the way we compete is with new ideas for which our rewards are social not monetary.

Much like my nephews can't hardly conceive of judging some one because of their sex or skin color. Where the biggest fights they have are with bigots, particularly religious bigots.
 
2013-03-01 04:12:59 PM  

ohokyeah: Didn't read TFA but exactly when did people think humans were more compassionate in the past? Was it when we owned slaves of typically different races or castes than ourselves? When we had serfs? When we had indentured servitude? When women were viewed as property? How about when we had constant conquest for new territory in the name of God and king? How about forced conversions of native peoples to Christianity?

I'm sure I could think of lots more examples of a group of people being jerks, but I think I've given enough examples. Society is neither compassionate nor dispassionate as it's always been. If anything we as a species are prone to cliquishness and punishing those that aren't "in" with us. A recent president in the US that inelequently stated "you're either with us or you are with the terrorists"?


If you look at homicide rates and wartime mortality rates, it turns out that we are at least becoming a lot less violent than in the past.  Just look at the world today: there aren't very many major wars going on.  Europe and North America are more or less at peace.  In South America and Asia, there are some wars fought against paramilitary armies.  Even Africa is becoming more peaceful.  This is a far cry from the 18th century, when pretty much every country was at war with another country at any given time.  You can actually travel freely across the breadth of Europe will little chance of being assaulted or harassed.  There was a time when carrying a concealed weapon really was a sensible safety practice.  There was a time when the dehumanization and oppression of minorities was institutionalized and celebrated; now, it's considered bad, and governments that try to practice it must do it covertly.

We hear a lot of people talking about how the world is going to the dogs, but this is because saying "things are getting better and better" doesn't win you any votes.  People elect you to solve their problems - you only explain how things are improving when you can take credit for it.
 
2013-03-01 04:13:21 PM  

SurfaceTension: If you can't stand a little bullying, how are you going to stand up to the pressures of everyday life?


Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!
 
2013-03-01 04:16:24 PM  
bullshiat. you put a crapload of reality TV shows all over TV, some folks will watch them. but the main reason these shows air is because they are cheaply produced and greed is the name of the game for corporations. a while back A&E stood for Arts & Entertainment; many felt it was some of the best TV and they watched the broadcasts faithfully. now A&E is crap reality shows watched by those who can't find something better (in their opinion) on the dial.

I'll be honest: I watched 'Amish Mafia' and I loved it. I loved it because I did not believe it was real and it made me laugh like hell. it was some of the WORST television I've ever seen. It was so bad it was good.

like too many people i grew up in a highly dsyfunctional household. my parents only communicated in high volumes. when they spoke of co-workers and social situations they primarily boasted of 'telling them off" and "giving them a good piece of my mind". it was beyond sad, it was pathetic.

Mom & Dad were like this because they didn't know any better. neither had much education. Mom was mentally ill, severely mentally ill. Dad was an alcoholic with learning disabilities. They grew up in harsh times dirt poor when people were mostly uneducated, hungry and miserable. They were morans.

I hope like hell people don't watch reality TV because they enjoy seeing dsyfunction, hatred and abuse.
 
2013-03-01 04:26:03 PM  
Anyone who fails to see the difference between appropriate behavior among paid actors, playing roles, on television and real people in real life, has significantly bigger problems than bullying.
 
2013-03-01 04:26:42 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Active introvert: In a hundred years, I envision a world were people are locked up in small rooms. We have no physical interaction with others for fear of being bully, disrespected, offended or placed in any other discomfort. All interaction will be done by video after it has been screened by the government to "protect us".

In a hundred years, I envision a world where the word bully is considered old English, it has to be looked up, and the school children of the time can't even conceive of the concept. A world where socialism is the norm and paying your taxes means giving 10% of your time to the state. Where capitalism is dead, because there is no need for it, but the way we compete is with new ideas for which our rewards are social not monetary.

Much like my nephews can't hardly conceive of judging some one because of their sex or skin color. Where the biggest fights they have are with bigots, particularly religious bigots.


So, in 100 years you want us all to be slaves?  When you say that all must give 10% of their time to the government without compensation, it's slavery pure and simple.  You don't get any moral credit for cleaning up a highway or taking care of the sick and elderly because it was part of your government required 10% time tax.  In much the same way we get zero moral credit for paying into Social Security so that money can instantly go to caring for the sick and elderly today.  I would rather see an increase in people volunteering their time to charity than being told that I am to do it or go to jail because my time is taxed the same as my money.
 
2013-03-01 04:26:50 PM  
"They consistently exclude their victims from social events"

The horrors of party fouls?
 
2013-03-01 04:28:21 PM  

Babwa Wawa: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Almost like it's called "lowest common denominator" for a reason

No, lowest common denominator is "How I met your Mother" and "Big Bang Theory".  "Kitchen Nightmares" is last in the ratings, but it's cheap to produce.


You don't know the phrase "sitcom" or 'situation comedy', do you?

Lochsteppe: sure haven't: Human nature is human nature. No matter how many feel-good-but-ultimately-useless "stop x" campaigns you throw at it.

We've actually changed human behavior a lot over the last few thousand years--not the min and max necessarily, but lots of behaviors that were once tolerated are now actively avoided or shunned.  Education, shaming, laws, and other social pressures eventually do make a difference, but they're constantly being unraveled by people who don't want to change, so it's important to keep the pressure on.

You can watch our (relatively) rapidly changing treatment of LGBT folks over the past few decades as a real-time example of this.


Good valid points. I wonder if people being unable to exercise their tempers isn't cause for backlash. So called civilization and manners come at a cost. We are denying our true primal selves. The only time many people get animal is during really good sex, and Lord knows there is not enough of that in life. Seriously.

Active introvert: In a hundred years, I envision a world were people are locked up in small rooms. We have no physical interaction with others for fear of being bully, disrespected, offended or placed in any other discomfort. All interaction will be done by video after it has been screened by the government to "protect us".


And you have chosen yourself an excellent Farker handle.

i upped my meds-up yours: Healthy people feel comforted when seeing another person mistreated because it's not them. Anyone who empathizes is maladjusted. Compassion kills, as that guy said in the bunker in Berlin just before he shot his wife, his dog, and himself.


And this excellent post is why you're my Farker of the Day.
 
2013-03-01 04:30:42 PM  

KrispyKritter: I hope like hell people don't watch reality TV because they enjoy seeing dsyfunction, hatred and abuse.


No, but that is why they get pregnant at 16 so they can try out for MTV shows.
 
2013-03-01 04:30:48 PM  
Have they -seen- Kitchen Nightmares? Amazingly, basically everyone on their still seems to think they don't have a big problem in spite of the fact that Gordon Ramsay has been called in and they're hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. I'm surprised Ramsay can get through to any of them without the use of a cattle prod.
 
2013-03-01 04:31:49 PM  

Lochsteppe: sure haven't: Human nature is human nature. No matter how many feel-good-but-ultimately-useless "stop x" campaigns you throw at it.

We've actually changed human behavior a lot over the last few thousand years--not the min and max necessarily, but lots of behaviors that were once tolerated are now actively avoided or shunned.  Education, shaming, laws, and other social pressures eventually do make a difference, but they're constantly being unraveled by people who don't want to change, so it's important to keep the pressure on.

You can watch our (relatively) rapidly changing treatment of LGBT folks over the past few decades as a real-time example of this.


Perhaps, but at the heart of our natures we are still this:

2.bp.blogspot.com

And it's going to take a lot longer than we've had to get it under control.

Probably longer than we're going to give ourselves.
 
2013-03-01 04:31:51 PM  

Great Janitor: Slaves2Darkness: Active introvert: In a hundred years, I envision a world were people are locked up in small rooms. We have no physical interaction with others for fear of being bully, disrespected, offended or placed in any other discomfort. All interaction will be done by video after it has been screened by the government to "protect us".

In a hundred years, I envision a world where the word bully is considered old English, it has to be looked up, and the school children of the time can't even conceive of the concept. A world where socialism is the norm and paying your taxes means giving 10% of your time to the state. Where capitalism is dead, because there is no need for it, but the way we compete is with new ideas for which our rewards are social not monetary.

Much like my nephews can't hardly conceive of judging some one because of their sex or skin color. Where the biggest fights they have are with bigots, particularly religious bigots.

So, in 100 years you want us all to be slaves?  When you say that all must give 10% of their time to the government without compensation, it's slavery pure and simple.  You don't get any moral credit for cleaning up a highway or taking care of the sick and elderly because it was part of your government required 10% time tax.  In much the same way we get zero moral credit for paying into Social Security so that money can instantly go to caring for the sick and elderly today.  I would rather see an increase in people volunteering their time to charity than being told that I am to do it or go to jail because my time is taxed the same as my money.


Don't worry after a brain adjustment you will think right.
 
2013-03-01 04:44:44 PM  

KrispyKritter: You don't know the phrase "sitcom" or 'situation comedy', do you?


What's your f*cking point?

"Lowest Common Denominator" means that the show appeals to the broadest possible swath of the population.  It also means that the entertainment is accessible (not too lofty in terms of humor, language, etc), and broadly appropriate (not too violent, not too racy). Other examples would be American Idol, Friends (back in the day), etc.

Kitchen Nightmares is not one of those shows.  It does not have broad appeal.  It's the lowest rated show on network TV in its timeslot.  And in fact it's not designed to be a show with broad appeal - it's designed to be a show that captures a million viewers a week while costing next to nothing in production.
 
2013-03-01 04:46:45 PM  
"Lack of compassion"? Where, exactly? In big cities, where there has always been a measurable reluctance to help strangers; or in rural areas where people are much more willing to help others regardless of who they are or what recompense they will receive. Or is this referring to people's stated dislike of paying taxes as measured by political talking points?

Pundits and journalists love to talk about "lack of compassion" turning us into a nation of selfish individualists; but really, unless you're going to provide specific examples of what you mean by "compassion" and how people have less of it than they used to, it's a pretty meaningless statement. Are kids REALLY getting bullied more than they were 50 years ago, or are we just more aware of it--or have the parameters been expanded so the term encompasses everything from beatings and wedgies to mean looks? Are people REALLY less apt to help strangers in need, or do we just expect more--or feel more entitled to assistance for every little problem in our lives?

And why would anyone think that a cooking show featuring a spoiled chef was indicative of anything anyway?
 
2013-03-01 04:47:06 PM  
Another thing, not quite the same, but ubiquitous is the "talking to the police" in the interrogation room. All sorts of shows have these rooms where police sit the person down and proceed to get all smarmy and tough sometimes not writing down anything. Yeah, some 'lawyer-up" as the cops like to call it but many let it go on and on. Haven't been arrested lately but were I to be, I'd expect to see a whole bunch of cops that grew up watching this nonsense pretending they've got their own show.

There's a basic rule...never talk to these people without representation.
 
2013-03-01 04:51:19 PM  
Actually, this is the  primary reason I don't like to watch reality TV, medical show TV or cop/crime show TV.  I deal with enough crap and real-life idiots throughout the day.  The last thing I need is to watch more or worse idiots on my free time. There was a time that TV was supposed to help us forget our troubles and tune-out for a bit.  Now, it just seems to be a reminder of how violent, petty and miserable life is.
 
2013-03-01 04:53:45 PM  
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2013-03-01 04:58:04 PM  

big pig peaches: SurfaceTension: If you can't stand a little bullying, how are you going to stand up to the pressures of everyday life?

Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!


I came here for an argument!!
 
2013-03-01 05:00:23 PM  

Great Janitor: Gordon Rasmey is a bully???  Clearly the person who thinks that has never had any real experience with an Army or Marine drill instructor or drill sergeant.  And that's really how I view Gordon Rasmey.  He's a restaurant drill sergeant.  He's going to ride you and expect a certain level of output from you in all areas, but it's not because he's a sadist, but because he's your last chance at keeping your restaurant alive.  In much the same way a drill sergeant is going to ride you and yell and expect a certain level of output from you, but it's not sadism, it's because as a soldier you're going to be expected to work at a professional level in a high stress environment.

And if Gordon Rasmey and that Dance Mom biatch are bullies, then what do we call coaches?

The difference between people like Gordon Ramsey and a bully is that Gordon Ramsey is out there attempting to improve people's professional careers.  A coach is out there to improve the performance of his team.  A bully is there just to terrorize, abuse, put down, etc with no goal of improving anyone but his own self worth.  Anyone who can't see that shouldn't be taken serious.


Ramsey yelling makes good fodder for the "coming up next" and "here's what happened before the last commercial" segments that make up 90% of Fox shows these days. Actually helping people is boring, so it gets cut. I reckon a lot of these so-called "bullies" aren't as bad as reality TV is making out. Ramsey's other shows are the same - do all the contestants really hate each other as much as we're led to believe? I suspect not. They just need to make their petty conflicts and their villains because that's what sells.
 
2013-03-01 05:02:55 PM  

Lochsteppe: sure haven't: Human nature is human nature. No matter how many feel-good-but-ultimately-useless "stop x" campaigns you throw at it.

We've actually changed human behavior a lot over the last few thousand years--not the min and max necessarily, but lots of behaviors that were once tolerated are now actively avoided or shunned.  Education, shaming, laws, and other social pressures eventually do make a difference, but they're constantly being unraveled by people who don't want to change, so it's important to keep the pressure on.

You can watch our (relatively) rapidly changing treatment of LGBT folks over the past few decades as a real-time example of this.


A lot of the behaviours we picked up early in our evolution may have been savage, but they were essential to our survival in harsh, non-technological environments. My biggest fear is that we'll socially engineer our human species into being namby-pamby hypersensitive weaklings who can't survive outside of a domed city or a cubicle farm....and then Yellowstone will blow, plunging us all back to the Stone Age. (Hell, if Yellowstone were to blow now, there's a huge chunk of society that would just sit around being useless, waiting for someone else to rescue them. Just look at what happened in post-Katrina New Orleans. and that disaster was on a relatively small scale.)

The veneer of civilization is very thin and fragile. If we breed a race of folks dependent on technology and on a powerful state, we could be in for a rude surprise once SHTF.
 
2013-03-01 05:15:49 PM  

yourmomlovestetris: Lochsteppe: sure haven't: Human nature is human nature. No matter how many feel-good-but-ultimately-useless "stop x" campaigns you throw at it.

We've actually changed human behavior a lot over the last few thousand years--not the min and max necessarily, but lots of behaviors that were once tolerated are now actively avoided or shunned.  Education, shaming, laws, and other social pressures eventually do make a difference, but they're constantly being unraveled by people who don't want to change, so it's important to keep the pressure on.

You can watch our (relatively) rapidly changing treatment of LGBT folks over the past few decades as a real-time example of this.

A lot of the behaviours we picked up early in our evolution may have been savage, but they were essential to our survival in harsh, non-technological environments. My biggest fear is that we'll socially engineer our human species into being namby-pamby hypersensitive weaklings who can't survive outside of a domed city or a cubicle farm....and then Yellowstone will blow, plunging us all back to the Stone Age. (Hell, if Yellowstone were to blow now, there's a huge chunk of society that would just sit around being useless, waiting for someone else to rescue them. Just look at what happened in post-Katrina New Orleans. and that disaster was on a relatively small scale.)

The veneer of civilization is very thin and fragile. If we breed a race of folks dependent on technology and on a powerful state, we could be in for a rude surprise once SHTF.


Not sure if trolling or joking, cuz to paraphrase from Jurassic Park, "Life..uhhh...finds a way".  Either we get to a point in our existence where that will no longer matter, some people still have those skills and teach other, or we will all be so dead it won't matter.  Humanity won't die because people forget how to plant crops.  Individuals may die, but the species won't.
 
2013-03-01 05:17:40 PM  
A lot of people are approaching this from a, "you CAN'T HANDLE BULLYING?!" position, which is not the point. Here is the point.

I have watched about ten minutes total of Gordon Ramsey, who is a perfect example of this phenomenon. In the course of that, he screamed insults at a guy, staged a dramatic scene of running to the bathroom and throwing up because food he was served was so bad, etc. Now, the issue here is not whether people can endure that abuse, or whether farkers could, or whether an, "army drill instructor is SO MUCH WORSE," or whether your hate you abusive father, etc. The issue is that people seem to like watching this, which is, honestly, kind of revolting. Being able to handle some twatsicle acting like Ramsey is one thing. Wanting anyone to act like that, encouraging it, paying for it, considering it entertaining? That's another. That's a, "what the fark's wrong with you people," issue.
 
2013-03-01 05:18:44 PM  
If so many people are victims of bullying, why do they come home and watch it on television?

Because it's getting harder and harder to find anything except aggressive reality shows on TV.

I watched and show called 'Hillbilly Blood' and found it refreshing as it dealt with two guys up in the backwoods who helped each other and their families carve a living out of the wilds when no long term jobs were available. No swearing. No snide remarks. No biatching. No fights. Just and bunch of ingenious and often laborious work and transactions.

There were 4 episodes. I haven't found it since. However, I can find marathons of those idiot back woods duck call makers, gator hunters, squabbles on 'Gold Rush' and near fist fights on Swamp Loggers. Not to mention the couple of towing and repossession shows.

I look at the channel lineup that I pay quite a bit for and find it loaded with lame shows, old movies and tons of infomercials. I still haven't figured out why, what with having a mandatory series of sports channels included in most cable packages, I still have to get one of the few good programs I like pre-empted for basketball.

Remember the old saying 'you are what you eat'? Well, as much as you might deny it, you are also what you watch. Think about this; 'Twix' candy came out with a series of commercials promoting sharing. The actors would snap the candy bar and the announcer would say 'and one for you'. Shortly after, they promoted a similar saying, only the actors kept the candy, saying 'and none for you'.

Ever watch 'Law and Order SVU'? Notice the 'subtle' message concerning any form of 'sex offender'. Basically, they're treated like dirt even if what they did was minor and as kids or are complying with the law and haven't re-offended.

'Leave It to Beaver' shows transformed into 'Roseanne'. Ads showing clips of new movies have been heavily edited to lie to you and make the movies seem much better than they are. Ever pay a small fortune to go see one and find out the exciting scenes you saw in previews on TV are actually several separate parts of different actions edited together? (The movie 'Flight' with Denzel Washington seemed exciting when he flipped that jet liner over to fly it in for a safe landing. Turns out it was a lengthy, boring story about an alcoholic commercial pilot.)

We learned with early MTV Reality shows that behind the scenes, the producers egged the participants on to create conflict.

Look at 'Hardcore Pawn'. Customers, mainly the black ones (nothing like stereotyping) start fights at an instant's notice over stupid things. The son tries to sell the business out from under the Dad and he and his sister always squabble about something. Plus, you learn that if you ask for the full value of an item, you're only going to get 35 to 50% because resale profits these days have gone from 10% over cost to 100%.

Over the years, it's been known that as the entertainment media increases, people start to mimic the behavior. (Monkey see. Monkey do.) It became much more noticeable when GTA games came out -- and after the fuss, the designers refused to accept any responsibility and continued to churn out violent and warped versions with impunity.

Cowboy and Indian shows were popular when I was a kid, with the Indians being blood thirsty savages. Naturally, our play games imitated this. Hollywood took ample liberties with the facts. There was no mention until much later that we were the invaders on their lands.

Cable TV brought blood and guts into the home with HBO, the first station to show graphic gore in movies out of the theater. Previously to that, you could watch a WW2 movie and see soldiers getting bloodlessly killed, falling in dramatic poses.

After wards, you got to watch their heads explode in a red mist, if they stepped on a mine, you saw body parts fly into the air and a partially dismembered, still living man screaming on the ground. The entire horror genre went into high gore mode, with impossible amounts of blood and scattered guts. Displaying someone getting their limbs ripped off was 'cool'.

It's a psychological fact that if you are exposed enough to cruelties, you start to loose empathy and sensitivity.

Ever wonder why the pioneers had some harsh attitudes? No pain killers. Nearly every medical treatment hurt like hell. Surgery was done with the patient awake. Pain was a normal part of their lives and reflected in their attitudes.

People learn how to act from the TV. Then, we're surprised when the Internet openly teaches kids how to make pipe bombs -- and they do. That was followed by TV shows where they went into excruciating detail on how the cops tracked down criminals -- who promptly learned what traces not to leave.

There have been several family shows where the assorted characters are just nasty towards each other -- but that's made 'O.K.' because they profess their love. (I've hated 'Dallas' since the show began.)

Once you start to desensitize, your attitude changes in many ways. You carry it home to your family and friends.

I don't know about you, but that reality show about practical jokers sucks. If I had friends like that, they'd be gone.

Now, I watch the Mentalist and Castle, both intriguing shows and humorous. You don't see the nasty squabbles among cops like on 'Southland'. I watch 'Dual Survival', but since one partner has been replaced, the new guy seems to want to argue more. I watch Survivor Man. I enjoy the new Law and Order with Jeff Goldblume.

I gave up on every 'real' ghost hunting show because, IMO, they're all faked crap. I love good science fiction, but the Syfi channel hasn't had anything resembling that on in years. Basically, it's a wrestling and game show channel now. I watch 'Pickers' and find it hard to grasp how someone will let stuff rot in a field and then ask major bucks for the stuff when the pickers arrive. However, the stars are cool. "Oddities' is cool, but the stuff they deal in is kind of gross. However, all of the characters are nice and there's no squabbles.

HBO and the writers strike changed TV forever and folks seem too stupid to realize they're being manipulated. (3/4 of the Reality shows are coached to make them more exciting.)

A little parable here. Years back, a little girl dying of cancer wrote a book. It was a big hit. Everyone made a fuss about it. Since then, more kids have written books and more folks die of cancer and now, no one really gives a shiat because they've been inundated with dying kids and people and cancer.

Plus our current technology allows the Lunatic Fringe to do almost what they want online in front of millions of people. It becomes harder to tell truth from fiction. (Like those faked Youtube videos.)

Subconsciously, it affects you.
(See how fast that crappy way of holding a gun sideways caught on from gangs? You're lucky if you hit the broad side of a barn that way, but it's 'cool' and people copy it to be 'tough'.)

So, what does this say about current society?

Monkey see. Monkey do.
 
2013-03-01 05:20:49 PM  

yourmomlovestetris: Lochsteppe: sure haven't: Human nature is human nature. No matter how many feel-good-but-ultimately-useless "stop x" campaigns you throw at it.

We've actually changed human behavior a lot over the last few thousand years--not the min and max necessarily, but lots of behaviors that were once tolerated are now actively avoided or shunned.  Education, shaming, laws, and other social pressures eventually do make a difference, but they're constantly being unraveled by people who don't want to change, so it's important to keep the pressure on.

You can watch our (relatively) rapidly changing treatment of LGBT folks over the past few decades as a real-time example of this.

A lot of the behaviours we picked up early in our evolution may have been savage, but they were essential to our survival in harsh, non-technological environments. My biggest fear is that we'll socially engineer our human species into being namby-pamby hypersensitive weaklings who can't survive outside of a domed city or a cubicle farm....and then Yellowstone will blow, plunging us all back to the Stone Age. (Hell, if Yellowstone were to blow now, there's a huge chunk of society that would just sit around being useless, waiting for someone else to rescue them. Just look at what happened in post-Katrina New Orleans. and that disaster was on a relatively small scale.)

The veneer of civilization is very thin and fragile. If we breed a race of folks dependent on technology and on a powerful state, we could be in for a rude surprise once SHTF.


Someday, when all your civilization and science are likewise swept away, your kind will pray for a man with a sword.

/Rogues in the House, if I'm not wrong...
 
2013-03-01 05:23:50 PM  
Those shows are awful and you should feel awful for watching them if you do.
 
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