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(WINK Fort Myers)   So you buy a beer at a bar... mingle around for awhile, then walk to an art gallery across the street carrying said beer. Police threaten to arrest: C) The Bartender behind the bar   (winknews.com) divider line 61
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2013-03-01 02:00:19 PM  
*sigh*

So happy I live in a city where carrying a to-go cup of beer/wine/liquor is perfectly legal.
 
2013-03-01 02:02:29 PM  
YAY!  Auto-play!

Anyway,  so the bartenders are supposed to babysit every farking customer that walks in?  What if the bar is packed?  How can one person keep an eye on everyone in the bar??
 
2013-03-01 02:25:39 PM  
I don't know about Florida, but in Colorado a liquor licensee is required to ensure the acts allowed by the license are complied with. Most bars have a license that allows for the sale of drinks by the glass to be consumed on the licensed premises. It would be hard to prove that a bar intentionally allowed someone to remove the drink from the premises, but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.
 
2013-03-01 02:40:27 PM  

CruiserTwelve: but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.


Depends.  Most dive bars down here serve everything in plastic cups.  Not because it is, in fact, legal to walk out with said drink... but more because its cheap, and customers aren't really expecting anything fancy.
 
2013-03-01 02:41:14 PM  

downstairs: CruiserTwelve: but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.

Depends.  Most dive bars down here serve everything in plastic cups.  Not because it is, in fact, legal to walk out with said drink... but more because its cheap, and customers aren't really expecting anything fancy.


And also because it's pretty hard to glass somebody with a plastic cup
 
2013-03-01 02:54:49 PM  
You can carry a gun, but that damned beer is DANGEROUS
 
2013-03-01 03:20:38 PM  

CruiserTwelve: but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.


Or they got tired of sweeping up glass.
 
2013-03-01 03:20:55 PM  
Fredericksburg, Texas lets you buy a beer to go, and amble around town with it. It's great, so if the wimmin folk want to window shop or browse through a store, you can hang out and drink beer on the sidewalk.
 
2013-03-01 03:21:43 PM  
It makes more sense if he took a bear into an art gallery and they arrested the bartender for selling a bear.
 
2013-03-01 03:26:26 PM  
So surprised this isn't a story from Utah, because this very thing has happened. Total setup, Liquor Enforcement Officer goes into a bar, stands by the door with a drink, waits until it is a madhouse at the door, hides the beer in his jacket, and walks out. Bonus: They come back with something like a 30-day license suspension for the entire establishment.
 
2013-03-01 03:27:15 PM  

downstairs: *sigh*

So happy I live in a city where carrying a to-go cup of beer/wine/liquor is perfectly legal.


Drive through beer stores FTW!!!

/Louisiana native
 
2013-03-01 03:29:59 PM  
"The next thing I knew somebody came back and said we can arrest you right now, you just served an undercover cop because he walked away with his drink," said Montanez.

My question is did the UC take a sip? As far as I know cops can't drink on duty. Maybe that's why they dismissed it.
 
2013-03-01 03:30:24 PM  
It's pretty standard that they will get in trouble for that, but if they don't have a history of the problem they shouldn't do anything. They are just being pains in the butt.
 
2013-03-01 03:31:13 PM  
So I use the restroom at the courthouse, and then walk around town with my penis dangling in the breeze, is the judge cited for indecent exposure and charged with a sex crime?
 
2013-03-01 03:31:17 PM  
"You broke the law!"
"What law did I break?"
"THE LAW!"
"But... what specific law... did I break?"
"I'm telling you, that's the law!"
"You are not the law, you are the enforcer of the law."
"You're under arrest."
"What for?"
"DISRESPECTING THE LAW!"
 
2013-03-01 03:31:21 PM  

Mikey1969: So surprised this isn't a story from Utah, because this very thing has happened. Total setup, Liquor Enforcement Officer goes into a bar, stands by the door with a drink, waits until it is a madhouse at the door, hides the beer in his jacket, and walks out. Bonus: They come back with something like a 30-day license suspension for the entire establishment.


This.
 
2013-03-01 03:33:41 PM  
Seems to me that the cop commited  a crime by taking the beer off the premises.
 
2013-03-01 03:34:17 PM  
This doesn't seem like it could possibly stand up in a court of law.  The ABC tries this kind of shiat all the time, but it doesn't mean it works.
 
2013-03-01 03:35:56 PM  
This is like an undercover cop buying a beer at a liquor store, opening and drinking it while still inside the store, and then arresting the guy behind the counter.  Ludicrous.  "You didn't stop me from breaking the law!"
 
2013-03-01 03:39:22 PM  
WTF. I call this preventative maintenance

1. They've given FOUR citations so far in 3 months, so its not like they're freaking raiding restaurants.

2. They just got a ticket.  Not closed down or fined.  And the ticket magically went away.  This seems more likely to serve as a message to other establishments.

3. I dislike how the law is nebulous.  You can't prevent a customer from walking away from the bar and its an individual crime... But there does seem to be some gray area when it comes to bartenders, like "not serving drinks to someone who is intoxicated."  Obviously they break that rule all the time, otherwise no one would go to the bar.  But as for estimating the level of intoxication or realization that the person may get behind the wheel of a car (IE: Not calling a taxi) well, that's totally subjective...

This whole thing sounds like the equivalent of getting a speeding ticket for doing 72 in a 65.  You can whine about how "everyone else does it" it to the cop, or you can pay the small fine and shut the fark up.
 
2013-03-01 03:40:14 PM  

Securitywyrm: "You broke the law!"
"What law did I break?"
"THE LAW!"
"But... what specific law... did I break?"
"I'm telling you, that's the law!"
"You are not the law, you are the enforcer of the law."
"You're under arrest."
"What for?"
"DISRESPECTING THE LAW!"


Well, This seems like an appropriate place, for this.
 
2013-03-01 03:41:32 PM  

AugieDoggyDaddy: Seems to me that the cop commited  a crime by taking the beer off the premises.


 
You sound like you're resisting arrest.
 
2013-03-01 03:44:13 PM  
As long as they aren't carrying Skittles, it should be fine.
 
2013-03-01 03:45:03 PM  

Lucidz: WTF. I call this preventative maintenance


Wrong.  Preventative maintenance would be the cops, you know, giving citations out to the people that walk out of the bar with a drink in their hand.
 
2013-03-01 03:54:25 PM  
If the supposed law the bartender broke was allowing the cop to do something illegal, shouldn't the cop be arrested for doing that illegal thing? It seems like if the cop can't be arrested for breaking the open container law, it's absurd to arrest the bartender for "allowing" it.

This is nothing more than police intimidation in lieu of actually doing their jobs and enforcing the law. They'd rather make the bartender do their job as well as her own, so they threatened her wih BS charges they knew they couldn't make stick.
 
2013-03-01 03:57:17 PM  
kendelrio
I went to school in San Angelo TX for 2 years, and they used to have a cool drive-thru beer store called the Party Barn. Shape of a barn, drive-up beer sales. I'm a yankee, but I learned to love TX that year :-)
 
2013-03-01 04:00:28 PM  
I drink, I drank, I am drunk. Next.
 
2013-03-01 04:09:52 PM  
If police are going to continue to repeat the mantra, 'we are just enforcing the law', and don't recognize their positions as either taxmen in the times of Christ looking to trick people out of money or just be bullies because they can be, then they can't be shocked when they become hated for what they do.

Feel free to keep on hiding behind mostly hidden discussion boards and act offended when the percentage of the population that just does not rely on the local new for their information sees you as the barrel of bad apples you have become.   When you are see as lawful evil organization, kicking out members that cross the blue line because they give a fark about people and not just other members of the club.

After all, those other groups that trash cops are just a bunch of cop haters that don't get it, right.  It's a tough job.
 
2013-03-01 04:11:43 PM  
"the state dropped  the charges because of a paperwork technicality."

Like specifying a law that wasn't applicable.

These cops have some other reason for discouraging outdoor drinking.  Noise, harassment of passersby, littering, something like that.  They want patios closed.

the state dropped the charges because of a paperwork technicality. - See more at: http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2013-03-01/More-downtown-drinki n g-law-drama#.UTEYQFfX8esthe state dropped the charges because of a paperwork technicality. - See more at: http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2013-03-01/More-downtown-drinki n g-law-drama#.UTEYQFfX8es
 
2013-03-01 04:16:10 PM  
Fort Myers Police cracking down on bars and restaurants to make sure customers aren't walking off with alcohol.

For the past few months FMPD has warned bars and restaurants that their staff would be cited if customers walk off with alcohol...


Because the FMP apparently have nothing better to do than shake down local businesses.

This week, Montanez' lawyer found out the charges were dismissed and according FMPD the state dropped the charges because of a paperwork technicality.

Because the FMP just figured out that it makes them look bad when they have nothing better to do than shake down local businesses.
 
2013-03-01 04:17:32 PM  

Southern100: CruiserTwelve: but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.

Or they got tired of sweeping up glass.


Or cleaning it out of the @#$%%^&^^%$$##@$$%^%$$# urinals.
 
2013-03-01 04:18:09 PM  

CruiserTwelve: I don't know about Florida, but in Colorado a liquor licensee is required to ensure the acts allowed by the license are complied with. Most bars have a license that allows for the sale of drinks by the glass to be consumed on the licensed premises. It would be hard to prove that a bar intentionally allowed someone to remove the drink from the premises, but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.


actually, serving drinks in a plastic cup seems to suggest that they want customers to be holding less valuable material than glass in their hands. It has nothing to do with intentions.
 
2013-03-01 04:20:57 PM  

Maud Dib: Fredericksburg, Texas lets you buy a beer to go, and amble around town with it. It's great, so if the wimmin folk want to window shop or browse through a store, you can hang out and drink beer on the sidewalk.


One more reason to love TX. I mentioned in another post I've never been, but love your beauty pageant contestants and the stories I've heard of legendary steaks. You farkers know how to live, bless your hearts.
 
2013-03-01 04:26:35 PM  
Article neglects to state how the bartenders/waitresses/etc.. are supposed to stop people from carrying a drink away from the bar.  Grab a hold of someone and be charged with assault??
 
2013-03-01 04:52:47 PM  

TheMega: Article neglects to state how the bartenders/waitresses/etc.. are supposed to stop people from carrying a drink away from the bar.  Grab a hold of someone and be charged with assault??


No you inform them they aren't to do it and when they do you call the police and cover your ass.
 
2013-03-01 04:53:27 PM  
This would never happen in NOLA.
 
2013-03-01 05:12:07 PM  

ReverendJynxed: TheMega: Article neglects to state how the bartenders/waitresses/etc.. are supposed to stop people from carrying a drink away from the bar.  Grab a hold of someone and be charged with assault??

No you inform them they aren't to do it and when they do you call the police and cover your ass.


The cops where I live would be really pissed off if we called them for every misdemeanor infraction we witnessed on a nightly basis...
 
2013-03-01 05:18:17 PM  
So what happens when a waitress tries to stop a belligerent drunk from leaving with a beer and gets the shiat beat out of her? Can she sue the FMPD? "Sorry maam, that guy assaulting you was a Independent Criminal Act."
 
2013-03-01 05:29:12 PM  

CruiserTwelve: I don't know about Florida, but in Colorado a liquor licensee is required to ensure the acts allowed by the license are complied with. Most bars have a license that allows for the sale of drinks by the glass to be consumed on the licensed premises. It would be hard to prove that a bar intentionally allowed someone to remove the drink from the premises, but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.


Or, you know, it cuts operating costs because its a helluva lot cheaper to buy a couple gross of solo cups than wash, rinse, repeat.

Where ya been? I figured you'd be all OVER this thread: http://m.fark.com/comments/7601385/Philadelphia-man-found-not-guilty-o f-repeatedly-striking-officers-fists-with-his-face#new
 
2013-03-01 05:31:47 PM  
So times have changed ..good to know

Wake me up when we're talking.bb about a revolution
 
2013-03-01 05:33:12 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: downstairs: CruiserTwelve: but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.

Depends.  Most dive bars down here serve everything in plastic cups.  Not because it is, in fact, legal to walk out with said drink... but more because its cheap, and customers aren't really expecting anything fancy.

And also because it's pretty hard to glass somebody with a plastic cup


The Morgan house is the hell of a long way from a dive bar. Its In the middle of the Art Walk
 
2013-03-01 05:33:37 PM  

CruiserTwelve: I don't know about Florida, but in Colorado a liquor licensee is required to ensure the acts allowed by the license are complied with. Most bars have a license that allows for the sale of drinks by the glass to be consumed on the licensed premises. It would be hard to prove that a bar intentionally allowed someone to remove the drink from the premises, but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.


Do you ever get tired of sucking cop dick ?
People like you give the rest of us the reputation we do not deserve.

// life hint: "them and us" is not a goal you should aspire to, it is the reason revolutions often involve us being up against a wall. There is more "them" than "us".
 
2013-03-01 05:53:57 PM  
No PA farkers yet?  You can buy (and take with you) 6 beers (72 oz?) of beer from a bar in PA (and repeat as many times as needed).  You can buy in cases from a beer distributor (and why would a farker need to split up cases?).  You can't buy beer any other way (although there have been weird things to redefine "bar" in supermarkets and Wawas? (or was it Sheetz?).

/Marylander
//Montgomery County even has almost-good abc liquor stores (seems to have better sales than most nearby private stores.  Certainly beats most beer prices in VA).
///Probably run by real Socialists who believe in running the store for the citizen.  That and they have to compete with private enterprise 10 miles from just about every store.
 
2013-03-01 06:20:24 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: No PA farkers yet?  You can buy (and take with you) 6 beers (72 oz?) of beer from a bar in PA (and repeat as many times as needed).


The limit is actually 192 oz, or a twelve pack and a 40.

And yes, rinse, repeat, until you've got all you want. Or you can plan ahead and visit the distributor but must only buy cases there.

Our liquor laws are generally backwards but they're not onerous - a little bit of forethought and you can get everything you want for what is usually a decent price. (ex - I always look at liquor prices in duty free but the price in the state store is almost always better)
 
2013-03-01 06:32:44 PM  

upndn: I drink, I drank, I am drunk. Next.


^ this ^
 
2013-03-01 06:35:48 PM  
bystander = bartender

both words start with a B and end with an "er"
 
2013-03-01 07:05:48 PM  
Customer buys beer and tries to slip out of a busy bar. Bartender sees it and stops customer at door not allowing him to leave. Bartender gets arrested for unlawful detainment and possibly kidnapping.

Or:

Customer buys beer and slips out of a busy bar. Customer gets busted for breaking whatever law (open container I'm guessing) by a cop who happens to see him.

One of these is common sense, the other is pants on head retarded.
 
2013-03-01 08:01:13 PM  

Stephen_Falken: kendelrio
I went to school in San Angelo TX for 2 years, and they used to have a cool drive-thru beer store called the Party Barn. Shape of a barn, drive-up beer sales. I'm a yankee, but I learned to love TX that year :-)


Here in Battle Creek, MI we have a package store that is a drive-thru operation (corner of Washington and Grove, one block off of Dickman Rd, for those in the Battle Creek area who *don't* know about it, somehow).
 
2013-03-01 08:02:53 PM  
I live in a state with really relaxed liquor laws, and have never understood why we can't do this even here (or at least in most parts of the city I live in). I could be wrong but I think KC has had some success with free movement in the Power and Light District, and I think that would be an interesting thing to try in other nightlife districts. I guess what I don't get is what people are so afraid of - what makes the street so much of a worse place to be with a drink in your hand than a bar?
 
2013-03-01 09:27:38 PM  

blatz514: How can one person keep an eye on everyone in the bar??


Bartender: "Hey! You can't leave with that drink!"
Customer: "Screw you."
 
2013-03-01 10:58:30 PM  

Slartibartfaster: CruiserTwelve: I don't know about Florida, but in Colorado a liquor licensee is required to ensure the acts allowed by the license are complied with. Most bars have a license that allows for the sale of drinks by the glass to be consumed on the licensed premises. It would be hard to prove that a bar intentionally allowed someone to remove the drink from the premises, but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.

Do you ever get tired of sucking cop dick ?
People like you give the rest of us the reputation we do not deserve.

// life hint: "them and us" is not a goal you should aspire to, it is the reason revolutions often involve us being up against a wall. There is more "them" than "us".


Explaining the law is the equivalant of sucking cop dick? Who knew?
 
2013-03-01 11:59:46 PM  
When I was in high school four of us (all age 17) were sitting on a bench on the sidewalk across the street from The Ohio State University. We were in the process of drinking two bottles of wine when two city police officers approached and told us to pour the remaining wine on the curb and place the empty bottles in a trash can. Then they told us to stay out of trouble and went on their way.  Considering we were intoxicated enough to think it was okay to be sitting there blatantly violating the open container law as people were passing by remarking about said drinking, we were all underage and more then one of us may have been in posession of illicit substances we were fortunate that night. Ah, the decade of the 80's is a time fondly remembered

/ eh, lawns were meant to be walked on
// i remember slashies with fondness too
/// not to mention f(.)(.)bies
 
2013-03-02 06:54:45 AM  

CruiserTwelve: I don't know about Florida, but in Colorado a liquor licensee is required to ensure the acts allowed by the license are complied with. Most bars have a license that allows for the sale of drinks by the glass to be consumed on the licensed premises. It would be hard to prove that a bar intentionally allowed someone to remove the drink from the premises, but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.


Really?

A lot of bars don't use glass drinking vessels. It's just cheaper and easier - and prevents drunks from breaking glasses.

I used to leave bars with bottles all the time - usually around last call. It was illegal and the bars usually made it more difficult by opening them. Or was that a convenience for me?

Oh well, you can fit a number of beers into a large coat.

I don't do that anymore - and it wasn't in Colorado and I'm sure the statute of limitations has expired, but bar staff cannot keep an eye on everyone and every drink in the bar at all times.
 
2013-03-02 06:56:11 AM  
Victimless crimes, and their enforcement, are what Orwell was writing about when he wrote, "...imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
 
2013-03-02 08:58:51 AM  
CruiserTwelve
I don't know about Florida, but in Colorado a liquor licensee is required to ensure the acts allowed by the license are complied with. Most bars have a license that allows for the sale of drinks by the glass to be consumed on the licensed premises. It would be hard to prove that a bar intentionally allowed someone to remove the drink from the premises, but serving drinks in a plastic cup would seem to suggest that they intended for the drink to be removed.

This is part of my problem with police in the United States, they want to find a reason to believe you are guilty. If they were serving beer in coffee cups with a lid, that is one thing. But just based on plastic vs glass, you decided on this chat forum that that is a reason it was meant to be carried out.

Sort of like when those stings with wallets are done, they assume if they are not given to cop passing by (because a cop has a lost and found sign on his back) it is meant to be stolen vs mailed back.

It seems that police depts want to hire someone with a self-assured mental profile these days. Gotta keep up those tough on crime statistics.
 
2013-03-02 01:58:10 PM  

Enemabag Jones: This is part of my problem with police in the United States, they want to find a reason to believe you are guilty. If they were serving beer in coffee cups with a lid, that is one thing. But just based on plastic vs glass, you decided on this chat forum that that is a reason it was meant to be carried out.


You're reading way too much into my post. I'm saying that it's much more likely that a drink served in a plastic cup is expected to be carried out than a drink served in a glass. That's just common sense. If the bar served drinks in glasses and people walked out with them, it would be much easier for the bar to claim they didn't expect people to leave the premises with a drink. Plastic cups, not as easy.

Even in the crappiest dive bars I've ever been in I've never seen drinks served in plastic cups. This is supposed to be a classy place in some kind of arts district.
 
2013-03-03 11:28:41 AM  
First of all, I want to thank all of you for commenting and/or supporting our position in this issue.  Your participation has more impact and effect than you may know.I would like to take a few moments of your time to clarify the situation a bit more precisely than WINK news did in their article, which was necessarily limited to a brief time slot.The issue is that bartenders who serve drinks at outside bars are being unlawfully ticketed by the FMPD.The only time we put out a bar on the patio is when we have community events that bring a far greater number of patrons than usual.  Some of these events are subject to getting a permit with a street closure and subsequent payments to the FMPD and the Department of Sanitation for additional expenses incurred by the event, in addition to the event filing (permitting) fee.  There are approximately 10-15 of these events per year and during these events the "open container" law is not enforced.There are two monthly events; Art Walk and Music Walk, neither of which require a special permit or a street closure.  They are simply sidewalk events which invite local residents to enjoy the art and music available to the downtown in such a way as to encourage exploration and socializing around the downtown area.  Art walk has been going on for 4 years and I started Music walk to complement it 3 years ago.  For 4 years, the police never once made a complaint about anyone walking around with an open container, in fact, I personally witnessed the Mayor of Fort Myers and his wife on several occasions walking down the sidewalk with a glass of wine in their hands, enjoying our beautiful downtown.
In December 2012, the FMPD suddenly began issuing warnings to bar owners and employees that they would be ARRESTED if they were caught serving people who then walked off the licensed premise.  When pressed, a lieutenant in the FMPD told me that if we just "got a permit" we would have no further problems.  Coincidentally, December was when the FMPD was made aware of it's 2013 budget, which included various deep cuts to overtime and other perks.
One problem is that the Art and Music Walk events do not generate any communal income, and there is no possible way of paying this "protection" money to the FMPD without bankrupting nearly every downtown business, many of which don't benefit very much at all from these events.  The permitted events are paid for with donations, rental fees from street vendors, and sponsorships, along with some money given to the RDA (River District Alliance) by the city to hold these types of events.  The method the City uses to bill the RDA for the permitted events is to gather information from various agencies for their overtime hours, add a few thousand, then bill the RDA for whatever the total might be.  When there is an event that has a permit, EVERY SINGLE OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICER, including retired, auxiliary, and those in leadership, signs up for the overtime, whether they show up for it or not!  The bill for these events can reach into the tens of thousands of dollars for each event.

Arresting or even ticketing a person for a "crime" committed by another person is a reprehensible and disgusting failure on the part of law enforcement.  To do so in such a way as to intimidate merchants and their employees is  typical of Mafia protection rackets.  The fact is; putting pressure on patrons only would not meet the "needs" of the FMPD quickly enough, so they chose to bend the law and damage businesses directly.  The damage is done...both of these fantastic events which previously brought significant traffic and revenue to a formerly resurgent downtown have been damaged and diminished to a point that the difference between an Art Walk or Music Walk and a "normal" night with no event is insignificant.

It's important to note that the "open container" ordinance was originally written with vagrants, vagabonds, mendicants, and town drunks in mind; not the art and music lovers who enjoy a glass of wine during their stroll around the downtown.  In the final analysis, who is being hurt by a pedestrian with a drink in their hand?  The violation of our civil rights, as you can see, is motivated not only by a sense of superiority and arrogance with regard to the rule of law, but by simple greed, as well.And CruiserTwelve; thank you for your comments, but there is a very good reason to use plastic cups at times.  Sometimes, even classy places will run out of glasses before they run out of customers.  During these events, there are as many as 10 times as many people roaming around downtown as usual.  Most places will keep plastic cups on hand just in case.Thank You All.Roger Di CiccioRed Rock Saloon.
 
2013-03-03 02:45:53 PM  

rogerd: First of all, I want to thank all of you for commenting and/or supporting our position in this issue.


Questions: How much does a permit cost, and does the police department receive that money? I'm assuming they're talking about some kind of special event license.

Do you have a business association that can meet with the FMPD administration and talk about this issue?  It sounds like there's likely a solution that is mutually beneficial.
 
2013-03-03 02:50:42 PM  
The permit itself only costs a few hundred dollars, but the additional fees that go to the FMPD can be whatever the FMPD says, so there is no limit, usually the amount is around $10,000.   The business association has tried unsuccessfully to solve the problem both with the FMPD and the CIty Council.
 
2013-03-03 11:06:45 PM  

rogerd: The permit itself only costs a few hundred dollars, but the additional fees that go to the FMPD can be whatever the FMPD says, so there is no limit, usually the amount is around $10,000.   The business association has tried unsuccessfully to solve the problem both with the FMPD and the CIty Council.


I'm assuming, based on how things are where I work, that the license fee goes to the state liquor licensing board for a special use permit allowing a variance to your existing license. I'm also going to assume that this event is sponsored by your business association and is allowed under a permit from the city. Does that permit require that your association hire a certain number of officers? This is usually based on the number of anticipated attendees for the event. Have there been issues related to alcohol in the past?

I'm just having a problem with the cops basically forcing this event to end when they seem to be benefitting from it. The city is also benefitting from it as a result of the increased taxes paid by the attendees. I'm just having a hard time digesting this unless there have been serious crime issues resulting from the event.
 
2013-03-04 10:31:47 AM  
In 4 years total of having the event with no permit (no street closure is necessary so no permit is required) there have been no problems whatsoever related to alcohol or otherwise.

Permits are all issued by the city.  There is no wording in the code (for event permitting) that specifies any minimum or maximum number of police officers for any permits.  There is simply verbiage that cites "billable costs" which invariably end up being a pot of free money for the FMPD.
 
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