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(NPR)   Republican college students spell doom for the GOP: Many are leaning Libertarian because the GOP is medieval on social issues, and even those who parrot Fox News talking points admit the party may have lost voters for the next 50 years   (npr.org) divider line 467
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2013-03-02 09:01:04 AM

my lip balm addiction: Muta: Conservatism, Real Conservatism, is strong in our nation's colleges and universities but the liberal media skewing the polls to make it seem like conservatism isn't strong.  In the 3 years I've been at Liberty University , not once has anyone asked what my political feelings are.  I bet the students at Stanford or the University of Michigan get asked all the time.

Conservatism is strong at your college kiddo, not everywhere. Most colleges are not fundamentalist Christian schools like yours is (thank whatever gods exist). And there are conservatives everywhere, but they are few and far between at most schools. I have been on the campuses of many large and small universities - your statement is not factually correct. And you proved it by stating your "3 years at Liberty" in such a way that you are still that young, and still attending. Doesn't mean that you don't have an opinion, but in this case, your opinion is misguided and false.


He must know. Liberty University markets itself as being the largest Christian university in the world and conservatives incessantly whine about the oppression of Christianity in this country. I have to conclude Poe's Law is at work and Muta's having fun.
 
2013-03-02 09:25:00 AM

RockofAges: American "libertarianism" is literally corporatism ... ie. effective authoritarianism led by corporate (read: non-accountable to the public in any political way) actors. It is more tyrannical than any democratic governance possible because it is so far removed from any responsibility to citizens) actors.

The rest of the world considers libertarianism to be what Americans term "left libertarianism" (ooh! ooh! <-- right here! me!). That means we're smart enough to know that corporations aren't people, my friends, and that socialism is very nearby to our territory economically, but that liberals can ALSO be statists, and we don't necessarily like that when it infringes on our personal freedoms.

I suggest American "libertarians" do some readings that don't come from Regnery press on the subject and figure out what true liberty (ie. egalitarian individualism) is all about.


While plenty of libertarians aren't corporatists or étatiste diminutif (the Ron Paul types who hate only FEDERAL tyranny), many libertarians are as you say - corporatists who believe that voluntary slavery justifies any excesses.  It doesn't matter if the "voluntary" slavery is a result of removing all other options, the fact is that the person CHOSE the only thing left to them that allows them to survive means that one can oppress at will.
 
2013-03-02 09:28:19 AM

PsiChick: I've said it before and I'll say it again: My generation  does not like bigotry. Run on a platform that  earns you a reputation for bigotry, not to mention the nickname 'Party of Rape', and my generation will treat you like the walking jokes you are.


Good. I hope you and other folks your age do everything to vote against that type of BS at every turn, every mid-term, every primary, every general election. Those ideas and ideals need to go the fark away and we can only do it if the younger generation stays strong and engaged.
 
2013-03-02 09:40:49 AM

my lip balm addiction: PsiChick: I've said it before and I'll say it again: My generation  does not like bigotry. Run on a platform that  earns you a reputation for bigotry, not to mention the nickname 'Party of Rape', and my generation will treat you like the walking jokes you are.

Good. I hope you and other folks your age do everything to vote against that type of BS at every turn, every mid-term, every primary, every general election. Those ideas and ideals need to go the fark away and we can only do it if the younger generation stays strong and engaged.


If only.  I can't tell you how many outraged, protesting, active LGBT kids at UVA admitted to me they didn't vote in VA's 2010 elections.  Farkers organize protests for a living wage for the UVA proletariat and then let the GOP take over the farking government.  In fact, next time one of those little bastards complains, I'll make sure to point out it's their own goddamn fault.
 
2013-03-02 09:41:45 AM
2011 elections, not 2010.
 
2013-03-02 11:46:31 AM

give me doughnuts: Nothing wrong with eugenics as an idea. It's just the implementation that always gets screwed up.


Starting with: trying to breed a better human is being done by existing humans.
 
2013-03-02 01:28:23 PM

abb3w: give me doughnuts: Nothing wrong with eugenics as an idea. It's just the implementation that always gets screwed up.

Starting with: trying to breed a better human is being done by existing humans.


Well plus eugenics in practise generally is backwards - breeding dogs and cats shows us that almost always creates fairly dumb, average, and hereditary weak individuals that are very average and similar to each other. If you want to create extraordinary individuals and new combinations and ideas, then the way to go about it is to increase geographic mobility, and prefer mixed race (and mixed nationality, and so on) parents than more similar parents.
 
2013-03-02 03:07:27 PM

xria: eugenics in practise generally is backwards - breeding dogs and cats shows us that almost always creates fairly dumb, average, and hereditary weak


You appear to know little about animal breeding. Dogs were initially bred into working categories - hunting, guarding, ratting, etc. (and as meat animals). Working cats have only one job which is mousing and I don't know any evidence that breeding improved their mousing ability - one could always just adopt the kittens of feral cats which by their survival were good at catching small animals.

Of course when dogs and cats only function as pets  they are often only selected for appearance and personality while their other traits degenerate.

If the Nazis had won then during their 1000 year Reich  they well could have  bred such categories as perfect soldier, worker, technocrat, beautiful sex slave, etc., but I don't know. During their time in power they did have breeding programs to perfect the Aryan type - maybe they thought that the perfect Aryan would be the best for all such categories.
 
2013-03-02 10:22:12 PM

m00: Unfortunately, there is no Libertarian mass media. There's Democratic mass media (NBC). There's Republican mass media (FOX). There's no Libertarian Media. Why? Because the large corporations that exist via government welfare which own the media companies would not exist in any system that was remotely libertarian-minded. All the big news outlets in the US might as well be propaganda machines for the specific viewpoints of the conglomerates which own them.


There are two types of libertarians.  The wealthy "got mine, fark you!" types who only care about fiscal policy and don't care about social issues, and the young "I want weed!" type who only care about drugs.

FOX News appeals to the first group just fine.  Yeah, they might be against gay marriage and abortion, but half the libertarians I talk to would have absolutely no problem if these things were outlawed by the government.
 
2013-03-02 10:24:55 PM

m00: So no, people who practice Libertarianism are at a disadvantage when it comes to become wealthy, because their beliefs exclude them from the single most effective way of obtaining obscene wealth. Which is, getting the government to steal it from the middle class


Explain to how how Ron Paul supported his income again?
 
2013-03-02 10:27:10 PM

m00: So no, people who practice Libertarianism are at a disadvantage when it comes to become wealthy, because their beliefs exclude them from the single most effective way of obtaining obscene wealth. Which is, getting the government to steal it from the middle class


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2013-03-02 10:38:32 PM

slayer199: I already explained that libertarians are against corporatism and corporations in general for the simple reason that the corporate management is NOT head criminally liable for negligence.


And yet I never see the libertarian movement calling for justice when actual corporate abuse occurs, unless it's actually somehow an attack on government.

For instance, I see libertarians complaining about the bailouts on wall street.  I don't ever see them complaining that the people responsible need to be prosecuted and go to jail.
 
2013-03-03 11:14:41 AM

schrodinger: m00: Unfortunately, there is no Libertarian mass media. There's Democratic mass media (NBC). There's Republican mass media (FOX). There's no Libertarian Media. Why? Because the large corporations that exist via government welfare which own the media companies would not exist in any system that was remotely libertarian-minded. All the big news outlets in the US might as well be propaganda machines for the specific viewpoints of the conglomerates which own them.

There are two types of libertarians.  The wealthy "got mine, fark you!" types who only care about fiscal policy and don't care about social issues, and the young "I want weed!" type who only care about drugs.

FOX News appeals to the first group just fine.  Yeah, they might be against gay marriage and abortion, but half the libertarians I talk to would have absolutely no problem if these things were outlawed by the government.


there's one type of schrodinger. Stupid.
 
2013-03-03 08:11:54 PM

schrodinger: For instance, I see libertarians complaining about the bailouts on wall street. I don't ever see them complaining that the people responsible need to be prosecuted and go to jail.


You realize that would also include members of the government.
 
2013-03-04 12:15:45 AM

xria: Well plus eugenics in practise generally is backwards - breeding dogs and cats shows us that almost always creates fairly dumb, average, and hereditary weak individuals that are very average and similar to each other.


More because of excessively narrow optimization on arbitrary preconceived parameters, without considering negatives external to the considered parameters that might potentially outweigh them.
 
2013-03-04 12:20:03 AM

slayer199: schrodinger: And yet I never see the libertarian movement calling for justice when actual corporate abuse occurs, unless it's actually somehow an attack on government.For instance, I see libertarians complaining about the bailouts on wall street. I don't ever see them complaining that the people responsible need to be prosecuted and go to jail.

You realize that would also include members of the government.


Thank you for proving my point.

You can't just say, "These CEOs did something wrong and need to go to jail."

You have to some look for a way blame government for their actions.

Find me examples of mainstream and well known libertarians calling for CEOs to go to jail for reasons other than "got to close with the government."
 
2013-03-05 04:09:59 AM

keylock71: winterbraid: American Libertarians have the same problems as American Liberal Christians; we're too quiet.

No offense, but they also seem to share another trait... A certain smugness that their ideology is the only correct path and anyone who doesn't subscribe to it is lost, or blinded by the media, or dependent on the state or any number of criticisms why we haven't seen the light. With Libertarians, it doesn't seem to occur to them that maybe their ideas aren't fully thought out or that their ideas are just not attractive to enough Americans to make them a viable option at the national level. The fault is always with the person you're trying to convince and never the ideology you're peddling.

Like I've said, I've heard nothing from any Libertarian that is convincing enough for me vote for their candidates. I listen to the sales pitch, which consists of a lot of pie in the sky idealism, but then I look at the candidates they put forth. It's either some failed/disgruntled Republican politician or some nut job. Then when their candidate is lucky to get 5% support, the narrative turns to either people are too ignorant or blinded by the Big Two or the media is conspiring to keep the Libertarian Party down.

Let the Libertarians start from scratch... Get elected in large numbers as city councilors, selectmen, alderman, mayors, state legislators, treasurers, etc. at the state and local level. Let's see some real world applications of their political, social and financial policies. If they are as successful and good for the country as the LP says they are, then they will start gaining more support and eventually be able to challenge at the national level.

Until then, I'm not really interested, nor am I going to vote for someone who is essentially a Republican without all the social conservative nonsense.


sad but true, especially lately. do you remember 10-20 years ago when the national party wanted all the libertarians to move to new hampshire? lulz all around.

toomuchwhargarbl: winterbraid:
American Libertarians have the same problems as American Liberal Christians; we're too quiet.

Libertarians have not managed to move the needle in the popular vote in 30 years, despite being the loudest minority on the internet. I think that's not your problem.


the internet has no real effect on elections IMO, i think the real problem is the aforementioned smugness.
 
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