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2013-03-01 10:56:47 AM
While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.
 
2013-03-01 11:00:15 AM

Crewmannumber6: While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.


It's because people listen to him now that he's in the NFL.  He was a super-nerd in high school and being a kicker(who was always injured) doesn't endear you to the jocks anyways.
 
2013-03-01 11:13:23 AM
FTA:"We have yet to have had our first disagreement," Ayanbadejo said of Kluwe."

Aw, how cute.
 
2013-03-01 11:16:39 AM
Ayanbadejo was on otl yesterday. Really spoken and he sounds like a realist more than an idealist. Possibly the best person to be a spokesman for the cause. Kluwe arguing is like Peterson running; someone is going get hurt and it isn't going to be him
 
2013-03-01 11:17:16 AM
Meant well spoken, dang nabit
 
2013-03-01 11:21:48 AM

thecpt: Ayanbadejo was on otl yesterday. Really spoken and he sounds like a realist more than an idealist. Possibly the best person to be a spokesman for the cause. Kluwe arguing is like Peterson running; someone is going get hurt and it isn't going to be him


I think for any type of issue, both approaches are necessary as they resonate with different people. I personally like Kluwe's style more, even though Ayanbadejo's style is the type that I typically use. The different approaches complement each other nicely when they are used in concert, as opposed to separately putting the view out there without coordination. Kudos to both of them for being awesome.
 
2013-03-01 11:22:57 AM
Man, purple really does make you gay!

/pretty weird odds on the two most outspoken guys in the NFL being on the two teams with purple as their main color
//maybe it's being on special teams
 
2013-03-01 11:23:23 AM

bhcompy: Crewmannumber6: While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.

It's because people listen to him now that he's in the NFL.  He was a super-nerd in high school and being a kicker(who was always injured) doesn't endear you to the jocks anyways.


Kluwe is right; for better or worse, society pays money to have people like ESPN stick microphones in their face, so they tend to have more exposure and influence.  Some athletes adopt the "Republicans buy shoes, too" stance, while some like Kluwe see their position as a place to advocate social change.  Your average Vikings or Ravens fan might not pay attention to an op-ed by some professor or expert on the social implications of Prop 8, but they know Kluwe.  And if Kluwe at least clues them in, great.  And considering how many athletes in the last few years have opened their mouths and spit out bigotry or ignorance (see Chris Culliver or Tim Hardaway), this is a welcome sign.


Also, not to go Politics Tab on everyone, but:

Ayanbadejo, whose mother is white and father is black, sees a similarity in the anti-miscegenation laws that would have prevented his parents' marriage and the effort to legalize gay marriage.

GEE, YA THINK?!?!?

The black churches in California were deeply divided when the state was voting on Prop 8, and I can certainly see how their opposition to gay civil rights would infuriate people like Ayanbadejo.
 
2013-03-01 11:27:00 AM

UNC_Samurai: And considering how many athletes in the last few years have opened their mouths and spit out bigotry or ignorance (see Chris Culliver or Tim Hardaway), this is a welcome sign.


I would point out that Hardaway's gone above and beyond as an advocate for gay rights in the years since his comments.
 
2013-03-01 11:30:58 AM

Crewmannumber6: While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.


yeah.....i get that sense too.  but in a kinda endearing way. or at least non-douchey.  he has a megophone and wants you to know he knows how to use it, as in "HEY EVERYBODY THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON ____!"


bhcompy: He was a super-nerd in high school and being a kicker(who was always injured) doesn't endear you to the jocks anyways.


speaking of, he was on Nerdist podcast just last week, letting his nerd flag fly.  Pretty entertaining.

/why yes, he did say Minnesota vaguely resembled Coruscant from the air
 
2013-03-01 11:34:36 AM
Just wait til they fight each other over soy sauce in a restaurant.
 
2013-03-01 11:34:46 AM

UNC_Samurai: The black churches in California were deeply divided when the state was voting on Prop 8, and I can certainly see how their opposition to gay civil rights would infuriate people like Ayanbadejo.


They weren't deeply divided.  They were completely for Prop 8.  Same as the Mexican Catholic churches here in the state.

UNC_Samurai: Kluwe is right; for better or worse, society pays money to have people like ESPN stick microphones in their face, so they tend to have more exposure and influence. Some athletes adopt the "Republicans buy shoes, too" stance, while some like Kluwe see their position as a place to advocate social change. Your average Vikings or Ravens fan might not pay attention to an op-ed by some professor or expert on the social implications of Prop 8, but they know Kluwe. And if Kluwe at least clues them in, great. And considering how many athletes in the last few years have opened their mouths and spit out bigotry or ignorance (see Chris Culliver or Tim Hardaway), this is a welcome sign.


Oh, I know.  I don't have a problem with it, just explaining.
 
2013-03-01 11:46:06 AM
When do they file a friends-with-benefits of the court brief?
 
2013-03-01 11:49:32 AM
These guys are awesome.
 
2013-03-01 11:51:28 AM

Crewmannumber6: While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.


I'm not saying you're wrong, but what have you seen or read from him that gives you that impression?

///I do not like the Vikings as a football team, but I think Kluwe has always represented himself and his opinions well.  I sincerely enjoyed the responses of his that I have read.
 
2013-03-01 11:56:40 AM
If Clint Eastwood's opinion on the topic matters, theirs does as well.
 
2013-03-01 11:57:28 AM

roc6783: Crewmannumber6: While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what have you seen or read from him that gives you that impression?


Punters are to be seen and not heard.
 
2013-03-01 12:04:04 PM

UNC_Samurai: And considering how many athletes in the last few years have opened their mouths and spit out bigotry or ignorance (see Chris Culliver or Tim Hardaway Matt Birk), this is a welcome sign.


FTFY.  Tim Hardaway backed away from his comments.
 
2013-03-01 12:06:05 PM

Tiberius Gracchus: roc6783: Crewmannumber6: While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what have you seen or read from him that gives you that impression?

Punters are to be seen and not heard.


Not to go full Gregg Easterbrook, but I'd like to see them less too.
 
2013-03-01 12:07:47 PM
This seems pretty gay.
 
2013-03-01 12:11:58 PM

roc6783: Not to go full Gregg Easterbrook, but I'd like to see them less too.


Punters in Burqa's?
 
2013-03-01 12:12:56 PM

UNC_Samurai: see Chris Culliver


No.  I don't want to see Chris Culliver EVER AGAIN.
 
2013-03-01 12:16:02 PM
*SWOON*
 
2013-03-01 12:28:54 PM

Tiberius Gracchus: roc6783: Not to go full Gregg Easterbrook, but I'd like to see them less too.

Punters in Burqa's?


You win everything...for now.
 
2013-03-01 12:30:27 PM
Crewmannumber6

While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.

Says the man who's got nothing better to do than pass judgement behind a fake name on the internet...

Much like all the hockey players who did the, "You Can Play" ads. good on these guys. Kids and parents look up to these guys and if they can influence them for the better, great.
 
2013-03-01 12:35:57 PM

roc6783: I'm not saying you're wrong, but what have you seen or read from him that gives you that impression?


Was wondering the same thing...to me at least, I don't think Kluwe really gives a sh*t what people think, making him more of a pure activist than an attention whore. Maybe in the first few weeks after his infamous Deadspin rebuttal to state delegate Asshole McDumbfark he rode a wave of notoriety and ass-kissing, but he's gone far enough with this to show he's serious.
 
2013-03-01 12:40:52 PM

Killer Cars: I don't think Kluwe really gives a sh*t what people think


...of him, I mean.
 
2013-03-01 12:44:27 PM

roc6783: Tiberius Gracchus: roc6783: Crewmannumber6: While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what have you seen or read from him that gives you that impression?

Punters are to be seen and not heard.

Not to go full Gregg Easterbrook, but I'd like to see them less too.


nflricheisen.files.wordpress.com
images51.fotki.com

Also, Ray Guy fans would like a word with you two.
 
2013-03-01 12:47:11 PM

Crewmannumber6: While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.


I really don't understand this comment. What could he have done differently to convince you that he does not suffer from "an overinflated sense of self-importance?"
 
2013-03-01 12:50:52 PM
You should be very careful indeed when you put a sports personality up on a pedestal
 
2013-03-01 12:58:09 PM

degenerate-afro: UNC_Samurai: And considering how many athletes in the last few years have opened their mouths and spit out bigotry or ignorance (see Chris Culliver or Tim Hardaway Matt Birk), this is a welcome sign.

FTFY.  Tim Hardaway backed away from his comments.


Hardaway crossed over. It was killer.
 
2013-03-01 01:57:00 PM

thecpt: Ayanbadejo was on otl yesterday. Really spoken and he sounds like a realist more than an idealist. Possibly the best person to be a spokesman for the cause. Kluwe arguing is like Peterson running; someone is going get hurt and it isn't going to be him


This. I love Kluwe, but dude gets so emotional when he debates that it gets uncomfortable.
 
2013-03-01 02:18:11 PM
So neither of these guys are going to the 49ers anytime soon?
 
2013-03-01 02:19:19 PM

dababler: These guys are awesome.


Wish one of them would join the Skins; I would buy that jersey.
 
2013-03-01 02:46:45 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: roc6783: Tiberius Gracchus: roc6783: Crewmannumber6: While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what have you seen or read from him that gives you that impression?

Punters are to be seen and not heard.

Not to go full Gregg Easterbrook, but I'd like to see them less too.

[nflricheisen.files.wordpress.com image 610x458]
[images51.fotki.com image 500x382]

Also, Ray Guy fans would like a word with you two.


I'm not saying they aren't people or skilled, I'm saying teams should punt less in general.
 
2013-03-01 03:06:20 PM

digistil: thecpt: Ayanbadejo was on otl yesterday. Really spoken and he sounds like a realist more than an idealist. Possibly the best person to be a spokesman for the cause. Kluwe arguing is like Peterson running; someone is going get hurt and it isn't going to be him

This. I love Kluwe, but dude gets so emotional when he debates that it gets uncomfortable.


The discussion is literally "should all citizens be afforded equal protection and equal rights under the law" and Kluwe is debating people who say "No, not all citizens deserve equality." I think his reactions are completely appropriate when dealing with fellow human beings who sincerely believe that for arbitrary reasons, this or that category of people should be treated as deserving less rights and are inferior. What worries me more is that relatively few people react that way to seeing how our fellow Americans are being treated.
 
2013-03-01 03:11:45 PM

mikaloyd: You should be very careful indeed when you put a sports personality up on a pedestal


Well, I think we're safe with Kluwe to an extent. I don't see him killing anyone or doping or beating his wife or accidentally discharging a gun into his own leg. He may end up talking himself right out of the NFL, but I honestly don't think he cares. He did what he set out to do, which is make enough money in his youth that he can spend the rest of his life reading books, playing computer games, and playing Magic: The Gathering.

/kluwe if you read this come play magic with me
 
2013-03-01 03:19:02 PM

Kome: digistil: thecpt: Ayanbadejo was on otl yesterday. Really spoken and he sounds like a realist more than an idealist. Possibly the best person to be a spokesman for the cause. Kluwe arguing is like Peterson running; someone is going get hurt and it isn't going to be him

This. I love Kluwe, but dude gets so emotional when he debates that it gets uncomfortable.

The discussion is literally "should all citizens be afforded equal protection and equal rights under the law" and Kluwe is debating people who say "No, not all citizens deserve equality." I think his reactions are completely appropriate when dealing with fellow human beings who sincerely believe that for arbitrary reasons, this or that category of people should be treated as deserving less rights and are inferior. What worries me more is that relatively few people react that way to seeing how our fellow Americans are being treated.


Oh he's the debater they deserve, but not the one they need. (IMO) I just think making his point and then cussing them out will get his voice shut out from said bigots rather allowing the point to sink in.

(Wish I could parody the entire dark (fark) knight speech)
 
2013-03-01 03:38:23 PM

thecpt: (Wish I could parody the entire dark (fark) knight speech)



Ayanbadejo: Punter Kluwe, did you order the Code Pink?!


Judge: You don't have to answer that question!


Kluwe: I'll answer the question. You want answers?


Ayanbadejo: I think I'm entitled.


Kluwe: You want answers?!


Ayanbadejo: I want the truth!


Kluwe: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has gays, and those gays have to be guarded by men with footballs. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom! You weep for Buttfumble and you curse the NFL. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Buttfumble's GQ spread, while tragic, probably saved TDs. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves TDs! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that field! You need me on that field! We use words like "punt", "kick", and "special teams". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline! I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very punting that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "Thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a ball, and kick it. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!


Ayanbadejo: Did you order the Code Pink?


Kluwe: I did the job that--


Ayanbadejo: Did you order the Code Pink?!


Kluwe: You're goddamn right I did!!
 
2013-03-01 03:48:37 PM

thecpt: Kome: digistil: thecpt: Ayanbadejo was on otl yesterday. Really spoken and he sounds like a realist more than an idealist. Possibly the best person to be a spokesman for the cause. Kluwe arguing is like Peterson running; someone is going get hurt and it isn't going to be him

This. I love Kluwe, but dude gets so emotional when he debates that it gets uncomfortable.

The discussion is literally "should all citizens be afforded equal protection and equal rights under the law" and Kluwe is debating people who say "No, not all citizens deserve equality." I think his reactions are completely appropriate when dealing with fellow human beings who sincerely believe that for arbitrary reasons, this or that category of people should be treated as deserving less rights and are inferior. What worries me more is that relatively few people react that way to seeing how our fellow Americans are being treated.

Oh he's the debater they deserve, but not the one they need. (IMO) I just think making his point and then cussing them out will get his voice shut out from said bigots rather allowing the point to sink in.

(Wish I could parody the entire dark (fark) knight speech)


He says that he uses the strong language to help convey his point. Look up the sparklepony version of the cockmonster letter.
 
2013-03-01 04:01:01 PM

Kome: digistil: thecpt: Ayanbadejo was on otl yesterday. Really spoken and he sounds like a realist more than an idealist. Possibly the best person to be a spokesman for the cause. Kluwe arguing is like Peterson running; someone is going get hurt and it isn't going to be him

This. I love Kluwe, but dude gets so emotional when he debates that it gets uncomfortable.

The discussion is literally "should all citizens be afforded equal protection and equal rights under the law" and Kluwe is debating people who say "No, not all citizens deserve equality." I think his reactions are completely appropriate when dealing with fellow human beings who sincerely believe that for arbitrary reasons, this or that category of people should be treated as deserving less rights and are inferior. What worries me more is that relatively few people react that way to seeing how our fellow Americans are being treated.


The thing is when your emotions get the best of you, you're much more likely to say something stupid which will the be used by the stupids to discredit you. I'm not saying I'd be any different in the situation... like you say, the idea of denying someone a basic right because HERP-A-DERP-A-DOO is well beyond disgusting. I just worry that they'll (the bigots) bring him down to their level.
 
2013-03-01 04:03:58 PM

digistil: Kome: digistil: thecpt: Ayanbadejo was on otl yesterday. Really spoken and he sounds like a realist more than an idealist. Possibly the best person to be a spokesman for the cause. Kluwe arguing is like Peterson running; someone is going get hurt and it isn't going to be him

This. I love Kluwe, but dude gets so emotional when he debates that it gets uncomfortable.

The discussion is literally "should all citizens be afforded equal protection and equal rights under the law" and Kluwe is debating people who say "No, not all citizens deserve equality." I think his reactions are completely appropriate when dealing with fellow human beings who sincerely believe that for arbitrary reasons, this or that category of people should be treated as deserving less rights and are inferior. What worries me more is that relatively few people react that way to seeing how our fellow Americans are being treated.

The thing is when your emotions get the best of you, you're much more likely to say something stupid which will the be used by the stupids to discredit you. I'm not saying I'd be any different in the situation... like you say, the idea of denying someone a basic right because HERP-A-DERP-A-DOO is well beyond disgusting. I just worry that they'll (the bigots) bring him down to their level.


And by "Bigots" I mean people like Matt Birk.
 
2013-03-01 04:11:04 PM
Stick to sports!
 
2013-03-01 04:27:27 PM

roc6783: Kluwe: You can't handle the truth!


i27.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-01 04:28:11 PM

stay_classy_pdx: Stick to sports!


Who?
 
2013-03-01 04:30:48 PM

roc6783: thecpt: (Wish I could parody the entire dark (fark) knight speech)


Ayanbadejo: Punter Kluwe, did you order the Code Pink?!


Judge: You don't have to answer that question!


Kluwe: I'll answer the question. You want answers?


Ayanbadejo: I think I'm entitled.


Kluwe: You want answers?!


Ayanbadejo: I want the truth!


Kluwe: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has gays, and those gays have to be guarded by men with footballs. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom! You weep for Buttfumble and you curse the NFL. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Buttfumble's GQ spread, while tragic, probably saved TDs. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves TDs! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that field! You need me on that field! We use words like "punt", "kick", and "special teams". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline! I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very punting that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "Thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a ball, and kick it. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!


Ayanbadejo: Did you order the Code Pink?


Kluwe: I did the job that--


Ayanbadejo: Did you order the Code Pink?!


Kluwe: You're goddamn right I did!!


Well done.

Golf clap.
 
2013-03-01 04:31:22 PM

roc6783: thecpt: (Wish I could parody the entire dark (fark) knight speech)


Ayanbadejo: Punter Kluwe, did you order the Code Pink?!


Judge: You don't have to answer that question!


Kluwe: I'll answer the question. You want answers?


Ayanbadejo: I think I'm entitled.


Kluwe: You want answers?!


Ayanbadejo: I want the truth!


Kluwe: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has gays, and those gays have to be guarded by men with footballs. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom! You weep for Buttfumble and you curse the NFL. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Buttfumble's GQ spread, while tragic, probably saved TDs. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves TDs! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that field! You need me on that field! We use words like "punt", "kick", and "special teams". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline! I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very punting that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "Thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a ball, and kick it. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!


Ayanbadejo: Did you order the Code Pink?


Kluwe: I did the job that--


Ayanbadejo: Did you order the Code Pink?!


Kluwe: You're goddamn right I did!!


I don't often THIS, but when I do, its farking beautiful.
 
2013-03-01 04:36:44 PM

roc6783: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: roc6783: Tiberius Gracchus: roc6783: Crewmannumber6: While I admire Kluwe's outspokeness, he seams to be suffering from an overinflated sense of self importance.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but what have you seen or read from him that gives you that impression?

Punters are to be seen and not heard.

Not to go full Gregg Easterbrook, but I'd like to see them less too.

[nflricheisen.files.wordpress.com image 610x458]
[images51.fotki.com image 500x382]

Also, Ray Guy fans would like a word with you two.

I'm not saying they aren't people or skilled, I'm saying teams should punt less in general.


 Depending on what you mean by this I'm in partial agreement. There's an obvious tactical advantage to punting in most situations. If there's still plenty of time on the clock and you're 4th and 8+, not in desperate need of a score and in poor field position you're better off punting. You're also generally safer to punt if you're on 4th and short and have been constantly  shut down on the run while behind your 50. Outside of that however I think if you have a kicker or an offense you can put any faith into once you cross the opponent's 40 your only excuse for not driving to score is having a considerable lead.
 Not sound like a "Madden couch coach", I'm surprised more teams that have capable passers at the punter/kicker positions (Lechler and Lindell come to mind) don't develop/maintain those skills in practice to play more fake punts or kicks and give them a "change-up" advantage. It's understandable for their lack of roster depth but organizations can be overprotective of the kicking positions and unwilling to take those type of chances.

We need more Tom Brady punts
 
2013-03-01 04:39:56 PM

Di Atribe: stay_classy_pdx: Stick to sports!

Who?


Those lustful cockmonsters Kluwe and Ayanbadejo!

Nah, just kidding.  That's a joke on Deadspin.  Whenever any athlete or sports reporter offers up an opinion on political issues, a billion people start whining "Stick to sports!", as if sports figures are incapable of reasoned thought, or political debate soils the sanctity of the locker room.  Usually, it's the mouth-breathers who yell "Stick to Sports!"
 
2013-03-01 04:45:48 PM

Di Atribe: roc6783: Kluwe: You can't handle the truth!

[i27.photobucket.com image 250x182]


Damn my wonderful marriage and your terrible taste in sports teams, we could have had the cheapest of thrills.

upndn: Well done.

Golf clap.


xaks: roc6783: thecpt: 

I don't often THIS, but when I do, its farking beautiful.


Danke.
 
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