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(ABC)   Mayor reveals plan to keep Kings in Sacramento. Hint: It has to do with money. Lots and lots and lots of money   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 36
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2013-03-01 10:31:37 AM
Here in Louisville, KY we have the new YUM center and some people are screaming for an NBA team to come here. Has there ever, EVER, been a situation where a city courted a professional (NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL) team that didn't turn out to cost the taxpayers a ton of money?
 
2013-03-01 10:33:36 AM
He wants the pie in the sky

He wants to be RICH!!
 
2013-03-01 10:55:04 AM

kobrakai: Here in Louisville, KY we have the new YUM center and some people are screaming for an NBA team to come here. Has there ever, EVER, been a situation where a city courted a professional (NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL) team that didn't turn out to cost the taxpayers a ton of money?


The Seattle plan doesn't sound like it'll take a lot of taxpayer cash.
 
2013-03-01 11:00:38 AM

kobrakai: Here in Louisville, KY we have the new YUM center and some people are screaming for an NBA team to come here. Has there ever, EVER, been a situation where a city courted a professional (NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL) team that didn't turn out to cost the taxpayers a ton of money?


Get in line behind KC, whose shiny new stadium feom 5 years ago is still empty
 
2013-03-01 11:03:53 AM

natural316: He wants the pie in the sky

He wants to be RICH!!


Thanks for getting that piece of crap song stuck in my head.

Jerk.
 
2013-03-01 11:09:06 AM

kobrakai: Here in Louisville, KY we have the new YUM center and some people are screaming for an NBA team to come here.


So which team do you move to Louisville? Because the NBA really has no room to expand. In fact, if there's any sport that should contract for competitive reasons and could withstand the financial cost of losing 2-4 teams, it's the NBA.
 
2013-03-01 11:28:42 AM

Lost Thought 00: kobrakai: Here in Louisville, KY we have the new YUM center and some people are screaming for an NBA team to come here. Has there ever, EVER, been a situation where a city courted a professional (NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL) team that didn't turn out to cost the taxpayers a ton of money?

Get in line behind KC, whose shiny new stadium feom 5 years ago is still empty


Hey, up until this season, it had an AFL team!
 
2013-03-01 11:29:59 AM

LessO2: natural316: He wants the pie in the sky

He wants to be RICH!!

Thanks for getting that piece of crap song stuck in my head.

Jerk.


Mission accomplished on my end
 
2013-03-01 11:56:46 AM
Losing a professional sports franchise isn't terribly good for the city's image. But it could end up being what gets Kevin Johnson run out of town, since his only job in his mind is apparently related to basketball. At least the Maloofs will be out of the picture, no matter what happens.
 
2013-03-01 12:25:04 PM
Well that makes sense.  If there's any city in the US that's got its civic priorities in order and its citizens well taken care of with money to burn left over, it's Sacramento.
 
2013-03-01 12:30:28 PM
I'm rooting for Sacramento.
 
2013-03-01 12:42:31 PM

Slow To Return: I'm rooting for Sacramento.


why do you hate Seattle?
 
2013-03-01 12:46:03 PM
I want them to just go. The fark. Away.

/Predetermined Thugball Press Conference pre-empted Jeopardy! last night.
//Predetermined Thugball "Game" pre-empting Jeopardy! tonight.
 
2013-03-01 12:49:09 PM

The Bestest: Slow To Return: I'm rooting for Sacramento.

why do you hate Seattle?


Does rooting for Sacramento mean I hate Seattle?

Also, it's only about 750 miles from Seattle to Sacramento, and only about 200 miles from Seattle to Portland.
 
2013-03-01 12:55:18 PM
Don't get me wrong - Seattle getting the Kings wouldn't be a bad thing.

For one thing, it'd be amusing to see Sacramento fans show up at Seattle games holding signs like, "Sacramento Drafted DeMarcus Cousins"
 
2013-03-01 12:55:46 PM
And if Sac-town balks at paying for an arena again, They can threaten to move to Pittsburgh, where they already own a brand-new arena.

/Suckers...
//Pittsburgh Pisces, anyone??
 
2013-03-01 12:58:27 PM

Friar Simon: //Pittsburgh Pisces, anyone??


Yes, I've heard.  That would save Pittsburgh.
 
2013-03-01 01:03:09 PM

buckeyebrain: I want them to just go. The fark. Away.

/Predetermined Thugball Press Conference pre-empted Jeopardy! last night.
//Predetermined Thugball "Game" pre-empting Jeopardy! tonight.


You're on the internet. Plenty of trivia for you to watch and answer/question to yourself. Someone else might even keep track of your score for you.
 
2013-03-01 01:25:48 PM
Seatlle will stop all coffee shipments to Sacramento until they release the Basketball team
 
2013-03-01 01:32:11 PM
I still can't believe Sacramento has elected that fool twice. Oak Park isn't that big.
 
2013-03-01 03:05:22 PM
The Kings still have fans?  That team was being bled dry by those scumbag Maloofs when I left Norcal six years ago.  And half the town was Lakers fans before then.
 
2013-03-01 03:06:30 PM

Lost Thought 00: kobrakai: Here in Louisville, KY we have the new YUM center and some people are screaming for an NBA team to come here. Has there ever, EVER, been a situation where a city courted a professional (NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL) team that didn't turn out to cost the taxpayers a ton of money?

Get in line behind KC, whose shiny new stadium feom 5 years ago is still empty


The company that manages the Sprint Center doesn't want a team. That's what enables them to do so many concerts and other events that made it one of the most profitable venues in the country.
 
2013-03-01 03:20:22 PM
Does Kevin Johnson do anything else as mayor other than work 24/7 on keeping their nba team?

Also this seems like a case of way too little too late, they only seem to care now that the team was leaving. But now money has been put down and an agreement is in place I don't see how it can't be reversed without getting VERY messy.

I do feel bad for the kings fans though but after how the owners voted when the Sonics left Seattle (all the owners but Paul Allen and Mark Cuban voted to ok the move) I just don't see them voting down this sale.
 
2013-03-01 04:22:04 PM
lso this seems like a case of way too little too late, they only seem to care now that the team was leaving. But now money has been put down and an agreement is in place I don't see how it can't be reversed without getting VERY messy.


I doubt KJ cares how messy it gets, he's looking for a pay-off. Kick backs from the developers if the Kings stay, or STFU and go away money from the Seattle group. Pretty sure he's just bucking cause Seattle probably told him to go piss up a rope when he called and offered to smooth the process for a small donation.
 
2013-03-01 04:57:13 PM

natural316: He wants the pie in the sky

He wants to be RICH!!


and were done in two.
 
2013-03-01 06:03:11 PM
Give it up, Sacramento, just give it up. If the Maloof's *really* wanted that team to stay in Sacramento, they wouldn't have gone through the whole sale process to begin with. All your city was to them was an ATM, and they tapped the local account dry.
 
2013-03-01 06:22:49 PM

jim-jim: Lost Thought 00: kobrakai: Here in Louisville, KY we have the new YUM center and some people are screaming for an NBA team to come here. Has there ever, EVER, been a situation where a city courted a professional (NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL) team that didn't turn out to cost the taxpayers a ton of money?

Get in line behind KC, whose shiny new stadium feom 5 years ago is still empty

The company that manages the Sprint Center doesn't want a team. That's what enables them to do so many concerts and other events that made it one of the most profitable venues in the country.


I did not know this. Is it true?
 
2013-03-01 07:03:36 PM
I want my neighbors to be happy. I also think it is entirely improper to spend one thin dime of public money (or influence or bond capacity or even an undue amount of attention of public officials) on private for-profit playthings for billionaires. The Hansen deal is far from the worst I've seen. But it still ain't free and the guarantees fall far short of being a sure thing. We've become so jaded by the other public sports arena ripoffs that 'not that bad a deal' has started to look good to us. It's not. I say it in every thread... if your business plan does not include the funding of the arenas in which you stage your product, your business plan is broken.

I'll put it in writing: If a rich guy wants to come here and pay for 100% of the facility, I'll buy season tix and give them to the boys and girls club. No more billionaire subsidies. Sorry, I'm still in shock that not one but two cities have seen fit to give a public subsidy for not one but two professional sports teams for Paul Allen - by any measure one of the most obscenely wealthy men in the history of our planet. He could have paid for Centurylink field with the coins in his couch cushions but somehow he got the city of seattle to kick in, what, 300 million? Again, I repeat myself, but if it's a profitable venture... if it's good for the community, if it makes financial sense, then why the fark did he not pay for it independently and reap all that benefit for himself? Because we are suckers, that's why. His little shell corp - First and Goal - pays a measly $850k a year to the stadium authority for leasing the field... but gets to keep all the stadium and parking revenue. Then when it's old and outdated, guess who now 'owns' the building? That's right citizen, you do - just like the kingdome. Good job Seattle - one of the most liberal and well-read and educated group of residents in the country and we didn't even lube up before getting bent over repeatedly and we take it with a smile on our face.

Why do billionaires cry poor and claim they need help building arenas which have shown time and again to provide no net economic benefit to the larger metro area? Because we keep saying yes.

/bread and circuses indeed
 
2013-03-01 09:43:31 PM
Oh jeezus h goddamn farking christ.

First and foremost, KJ isn't a party to the deal. Period.

Second, the ink is dry on the deal with the Hansen/Ballmer group- you know, the $30 million non-refundable deposit? I watched KJ's State of the City address last night, and he tipped his hand as to how much they're willing to bid for the minority share. All the Seattle group has to do is bid that amount, with an escalation clause.

Rescinding the sale after the deposit would result in an ugly breach of contract lawsuit that the NBA will do ANYTHING to avoid. This deal is done. Seattle has an ownership group, arena plans, and they're offering more than Mastrov is offering. When the NBA BOG votes on this, they'll vote in favor of the Hansen/Ballmer because it will raise the value of their franchises. I expect two no votes- Paul Allen and Mark Cuban voted against the relocation of the Sonics, and for them to be fair to Sacto like they were to Seattle, I expect them to vote no.

Sorry Sacramento, you're going to lose this team.
 
2013-03-01 10:16:46 PM
So if OKC steals a team from Seattle OKC is a huge douche. But if Seattle steals a team from Sacramento that is just hard cheese? What say you Seattle?
 
2013-03-02 02:45:03 AM

mikaloyd: So if OKC steals a team from Seattle OKC is a huge douche. But if Seattle steals a team from Sacramento that is just hard cheese? What say you Seattle?


Big difference.
http://sonicsgate.com/

In the case of the Seattle group Buying out the Maloofs, they are honest about their intentions. In the case of the OKC group, not so much honesty
 
2013-03-02 10:39:26 AM

mikaloyd: So if OKC steals a team from Seattle OKC is a huge douche. But if Seattle steals a team from Sacramento that is just hard cheese? What say you Seattle?


cantdunk beat me to it- you obviously don't know WTF you're talking about.

"I'm going to do everything I can, including holding your state tax payers hostage for a new arena, to keep this team here (while I'm emailing my pals in OkC that we're already packing the trucks)"

"Our intention is to buy a team and relocate them to Seattle."

One of those people is a liar. One of those people is being honest from the start.

Go watch Sonicsgate and then come back here and tell me the Hansen/Ballmer group is a bunch of liars.
 
2013-03-02 12:13:56 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: One of those people is being honest from the start.


I'm sure that'll make the people of Sacramento feel better about losing their team.
 
2013-03-02 12:36:47 PM

Slow To Return: Your Average Witty Fark User: One of those people is being honest from the start.

I'm sure that'll make the people of Sacramento feel better about losing their team.


They'll just keep going to minor league baseball games in larger numbers, like they have been for the past ten years.
 
2013-03-02 09:09:09 PM

Slow To Return: Your Average Witty Fark User: One of those people is being honest from the start.

I'm sure that'll make the people of Sacramento feel better about losing their team.


Oh, I'm sure the fans in Seattle don't give a shiat about the fans in Sacramento.

Teams move. Shiat happens. Seattle would much rather have an expansion franchise, but that isn't happening. They'll take what they can get, and at least they were honest about it.
 
2013-03-04 08:30:39 AM

Lost Thought 00: kobrakai: Here in Louisville, KY we have the new YUM center and some people are screaming for an NBA team to come here. Has there ever, EVER, been a situation where a city courted a professional (NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL) team that didn't turn out to cost the taxpayers a ton of money?

Get in line behind KC, whose shiny new stadium feom 5 years ago is still empty


I thought KC wanted a hockey team.  Aren't they just waiting for that one kid to get out of jail?

kobrakai: Here in Louisville, KY we have the new YUM center and some people are screaming for an NBA team to come here. Has there ever, EVER, been a situation where a city courted a professional (NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL) team that didn't turn out to cost the taxpayers a ton of money?


You can have the Sixers if you want them.

If a city is trying to have a team relocate, the city is going to put up major money.
 
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