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2013-03-01 11:40:13 AM  
Isn't it about time for the ATF to send a SWAT team and burn him out to keep us safe?
 
2013-03-01 11:48:28 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

OMFG -they're going after EUSTACE CONWAY???? This is like trying to string up Racehl Carson for the sin of loving nature.

Bureaucratic asswipes rule the world and they Must all DIE

http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-American-Elizabeth-Gilbert/dp/0142002 83 6/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362156334&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=eustace+c onawy
 
2013-03-01 11:49:18 AM  
AHJs/inspectors have wide latitude for enforcement.  Stay on their good side.  More from Romero at 11.
 
2013-03-01 11:49:47 AM  
badhatharry: I hope they don't send in the police, ATF & FBI to burn his place down.

Nah, thats so '90s, they'll just do a drone strike
 
2013-03-01 12:01:52 PM  

give me doughnuts: mod3072: hasty ambush: "This is supposed to be the land of the free. Government is supposed to help people, protect their individual liberties and freedom -- that's not what's happening here,"

He sounds like one of those racist, tea party, anti-government types looking for his Somalian utopia that the progressives are always warning us about. If you look at the photo in the article you will see that he is a white male so the big government progressives are probably right.

Or he's just a guy trying to live his life in the woods and just wants the government to leave him alone and let him live the way he wants to. It doesn't seem to matter which side of the political spectrum you're on, people seem to think that government regulation over one's lifestyle is just fine and dandy as long as it's not MY lifestyle. (See also: gay marriage)

I get the need for regulations and building codes, especially in densely populated areas. The problem is that many times these laws are "one size fits all" and fail to realize that urban and rural areas are different. I live way out in the middle of flyover land, and we don't have building inspections. If you want to build something, just build it. No permits, no inspections, nothing. Somehow we manage to get by without having 100% of our population die in catastrophic building failures. Would that model work in downtown NYC? Absolutely not. Nobody wants a skyscraper falling on their heads. This isn't NYC though. This is the middle of nowhere. These people are trying to force city regulation onto a country boy, and that just never fits.

Bullshiat. The shack you put up in the back yard to store your junk may not be inspected, but all buildings intended for public use are inspected. This guy wants to live in a bark hut on his own property, that's just fine. The minute he starts letting people to stay there and learn to live off the land, then he is supject to local building codes.



/Came here to say this
//was said before I did
///slashie Tri-Fecta
 
2013-03-01 12:06:18 PM  

Maul555: Farce-Side: Should they force him to comply with modern building codes and shut his school down if he can't comply?  I don't think so.

Should they force him to take out a liability insurance policy, and have his students sign a waiver acknowledging that the buildings don't meet NC building codes, and by entering said buildings they are taking their safety into their own hands?  Certainly, but that won't earn the local gov't any money, and since he was on TV, he's gotta have money now right?

This


No matter what you say not "This"
 
2013-03-01 12:06:24 PM  
That boy needs therapy.
 
2013-03-01 12:07:30 PM  
I thought only evil people lived in compounds.
 
2013-03-01 12:12:11 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.

That's the problem with Asheville, same as Chapel Hill. The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville) and made the towns "cool" to outsiders. So the outsiders moved there, and brought with them the same laws, regulations, and taxes they left (wherever) to escape. Chapel Hill is now filled with assholes from the northeast, Asheville is now filled with assholes from Florida. All the hippies left Chapel Hill ages ago (mostly to Carrboro, which now suffers from the twin plague of hipsters and smugsters) and Asheville is rapidly becoming the most expensive town in the state to live in, even surpassing Nags Head.

My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.


Yep.  I moved from San Francisco to the Asheville area 5 years ago.  Asheville is starting to have the same problems as SF, imports trying to change things, it's bullshiate.
I moved here to get away from that kind of thing, not to encourage it.  If he was up in Madison County like I am (25-30 min drive from Asheville), he might not have the same problems.  People mind their own  business up here, unless you ask them for help, neighbors help each other.
/Madison County was dry when I moved here (no longer)
//got a kegerator to solve that problem
///the local corn in a jar is delicious
 
2013-03-01 12:41:53 PM  

mod3072: Or he's just a guy trying to live his life in the woods and just wants the government to leave him alone and let him live the way he wants to. It doesn't seem to matter which side of the political spectrum you're on, people seem to think that government regulation over one's lifestyle is just fine and dandy as long as it's not MY lifestyle. (See also: gay marriage)

I get the need for regulations and building codes, especially in densely populated areas. The problem is that many times these laws are "one size fits all" and fail to realize that urban and rural areas are different. I live way out in the middle of flyover land, and we don't have building inspections. If you want to build something, just build it. No permits, no inspections, nothing. Somehow we manage to get by without having 100% of our population die in catastrophic building failures. Would that model work in downtown NYC? Absolutely not. Nobody wants a skyscraper falling on their heads. This isn't NYC though. This is the middle of nowhere. These people are trying to force city regulation onto a country boy, and that just never fits.


The people who demand 'government out of our bedrooms!' always seem the most willing to insist on government everywhere else.
 
2013-03-01 12:49:51 PM  

dryknife: I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.


That was some authentic, old fashioned western gibberish
 
2013-03-01 12:50:00 PM  
gerrymander:

The people who demand 'government out of our bedrooms!' always seem the most willing to insist on government everywhere else.

I have noticed that.
 
2013-03-01 12:54:07 PM  
Damnit, Frontier gibberish.
 
2013-03-01 12:59:44 PM  

Skarekrough: He can live in a lean-to if he wants.

But if he wants to take money from people to teach them then he's involved in the commerce system which is regulated by the government.

Sorry.


It is sorry. Not everything needs to be regulated. All the apologists for the county in here are why kids can't have a lemon aid stand without cops showing up asking for a permit.

/live and let live, ffs
 
2013-03-01 01:12:33 PM  
MissMechante:
Yep.  I moved from San Francisco to the Asheville area 5 years ago.  Asheville is starting to have the same problems as SF, imports trying to change things, it's bullshiate.

Heh. You're not the first Californian ex-pat to say that to me - which is encouraging, since the incomers from the northeast and Florida promptly move to segregated towns like Cary or North Raleigh (oh, excuse me, Northe Raleighe Villagee Pointe) where they can enjoy the pleasures of endless HOA rules and ever-rising taxes. We've had an influx of Californians in the past couple of years to my rural area and they've become welcome allies in the political fights against the tax-and-regulate crowd.


/Madison County was dry when I moved here (no longer)
//got a kegerator to solve that problem
///the local corn in a jar is delicious


Speaking of Madison, the town (in Rockingham County) has a 'shine festival every year with free samples every November. Check it out.

And, yeah, I know - NC is confusing like that. Beaufort is not in Beaufort County, and Washington is not in Washington County. And the largest county (Hyde) has the least amount of land area. I think it was set up that way to confuse General Sherman - not that it did any good.

/and the Pisgah Forest weed is the best on the east coast
 
2013-03-01 01:18:29 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.

That's the problem with Asheville, same as Chapel Hill. The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville) and made the towns "cool" to outsiders. So the outsiders moved there, and brought with them the same laws, regulations, and taxes they left (wherever) to escape. Chapel Hill is now filled with assholes from the northeast, Asheville is now filled with assholes from Florida. All the hippies left Chapel Hill ages ago (mostly to Carrboro, which now suffers from the twin plague of hipsters and smugsters) and Asheville is rapidly becoming the most expensive town in the state to live in, even surpassing Nags Head.

My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.


That sounds just like southern New Hampshire.  The Massholes can't afford to live in Massachusetts anymore so they are moving to southern New Hampshire and doing to New Hampshire exactly what they ran away from in Massachusetts.
 
2013-03-01 01:49:32 PM  

Archae hippy: OldManDownDRoad: Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.

That's the problem with Asheville, same as Chapel Hill. The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville) and made the towns "cool" to outsiders. So the outsiders moved there, and brought with them the same laws, regulations, and taxes they left (wherever) to escape. Chapel Hill is now filled with assholes from the northeast, Asheville is now filled with assholes from Florida. All the hippies left Chapel Hill ages ago (mostly to Carrboro, which now suffers from the twin plague of hipsters and smugsters) and Asheville is rapidly becoming the most expensive town in the state to live in, even surpassing Nags Head.

My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.

The NC woods are pretty deep.  Try Cullowhee.


happen to know a guy named jim rowe?
 
2013-03-01 01:52:43 PM  

Callous: OldManDownDRoad: Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.

That's the problem with Asheville, same as Chapel Hill. The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville) and made the towns "cool" to outsiders. So the outsiders moved there, and brought with them the same laws, regulations, and taxes they left (wherever) to escape. Chapel Hill is now filled with assholes from the northeast, Asheville is now filled with assholes from Florida. All the hippies left Chapel Hill ages ago (mostly to Carrboro, which now suffers from the twin plague of hipsters and smugsters) and Asheville is rapidly becoming the most expensive town in the state to live in, even surpassing Nags Head.

My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.

That sounds just like southern New Hampshire.  The Massholes can't afford to live in Massachusetts anymore so they are moving to southern New Hampshire and doing to New Hampshire exactly what they ran away from in Massachusetts.


Californians doing the same to West Texas (Alpine)
 
2013-03-01 01:54:06 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.

That's the problem with Asheville, same as Chapel Hill. The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville) and made the towns "cool" to outsiders. So the outsiders moved there, and brought with them the same laws, regulations, and taxes they left (wherever) to escape. Chapel Hill is now filled with assholes from the northeast, Asheville is now filled with assholes from Florida. All the hippies left Chapel Hill ages ago (mostly to Carrboro, which now suffers from the twin plague of hipsters and smugsters) and Asheville is rapidly becoming the most expensive town in the state to live in, even surpassing Nags Head.

My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.


Except that Eustace doesn't live in Asheville, or really very close to it.

Don't like Chapel Hill or Asheville?  There are plenty of salt-of-the-Earth places to live in North Carolina.
 
2013-03-01 02:01:27 PM  

MJMaloney187: He's also a SUPER a-hole.


Explain this.  I have met him, stayed on his land in his buildings, eaten with him and worked with him about a half-dozen times.  I would never describe him this way.  Difficult to please, yes.  Not always comfortable around lots of other people, yes.  But not an a-hole.
 
2013-03-01 02:03:46 PM  

jso2897: Another hypocritical fantasist. He lives off of civilization by selling a "dude ranch" experience to bored, affluent urbanites. He couldn't be more dependent on civilization if he were a stockbroker living on Manhattan.
He just doesn't want to follow the same rules the rest of us have to.
Christ, what an asshole.


Stick with what you know.  And this isn't something you know.

/Christ you are an asshole
 
2013-03-01 02:21:06 PM  
Why can't they just leave people alone?
 
2013-03-01 03:00:44 PM  

Skarekrough: He can live in a lean-to if he wants.

But if he wants to take money from people to teach them then he's involved in the commerce system which is regulated by the government.

Sorry.


commerce
commerce
commerce
commerce
commerce
COMMERCE!!!!!


/He wears store-bought pants
//Therefor the GOVT can regulate every detail of his life
///It's all there in the clause
 
2013-03-01 03:03:35 PM  

mdeesnuts: Skarekrough: He can live in a lean-to if he wants.

But if he wants to take money from people to teach them then he's involved in the commerce system which is regulated by the government.

Sorry.

It is sorry. Not everything needs to be regulated. All the apologists for the county in here are why kids can't have a lemon aid stand without cops showing up asking for a permit.

/live and let live, ffs


The people you need to convince are the ones who go running to mommy fed whenever another person pisses them off somehow, because they're incapable of resolving differences otherwise and instead have to go tug the sleeve of an authority figure. In school these people are teachers' pets or snitches, but when they grow up they tend to end up trying to get in a position of as much power as possible. So we end up with rules and regulations for everything, and zero tolerance policies are about all politicians understand.

Also, they gotta look busy. More regulations = something to be proud of on the campaign trail! Apparently.
 
2013-03-01 03:24:54 PM  

Electromax: mdeesnuts: Skarekrough: He can live in a lean-to if he wants.

But if he wants to take money from people to teach them then he's involved in the commerce system which is regulated by the government.

Sorry.

It is sorry. Not everything needs to be regulated. All the apologists for the county in here are why kids can't have a lemon aid stand without cops showing up asking for a permit.

/live and let live, ffs

The people you need to convince are the ones who go running to mommy fed whenever another person pisses them off somehow, because they're incapable of resolving differences otherwise and instead have to go tug the sleeve of an authority figure. In school these people are teachers' pets or snitches, but when they grow up they tend to end up trying to get in a position of as much power as possible. So we end up with rules and regulations for everything, and zero tolerance policies are about all politicians understand.

Also, they gotta look busy. More regulations = something to be proud of on the campaign trail! Apparently.


You mean like people that buy houses abutting sportsman's clubs and then fight tooth and nail to get them shutdown?
 
2013-03-01 03:37:05 PM  
Someone read "My Side of the Mountain" a few too many times as a young child/
 
2013-03-01 04:24:56 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 327x500]

OMFG -they're going after EUSTACE CONWAY???? This is like trying to string up Racehl Carson for the sin of loving nature.

Bureaucratic asswipes rule the world and they Must all DIE

http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-American-Elizabeth-Gilbert/dp/0142002 83 6/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362156334&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=eustace+c onawy


Huh. Someone else in this thread must have read more than just the funnies in the last 4 decades.
You read the Foxfire books, too?
 
2013-03-01 04:32:50 PM  
Conway set a world record crossing the continent on horseback in 103 days and any farking piss ant who tries to fark with him is probably going to get buried up to his neck in the woods with a stout twig holding their mouth open. This dude is not some boy scout camping out.
 
2013-03-01 04:50:06 PM  

dittybopper: Skarekrough: earthworm2.0: drjekel_mrhyde: More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse

Right, so, private property is the responsibility of the government.

Ever had a housefire?

Ever try to sue the fire department for not responding fast enough?  Guess what?  They aren't legally responsible, just like the police aren't legally responsible if you get killed, raped, or injured, even if you warned them specifically that there was a high probability it would happen.


I find it strange that I could walk into a person's home after a fire, destroy nearly everything with a large axe and not get sued; yet I have to be careful of getting sued when I ride the town's ambulance.

Though, at least I can sue a homeowner if there's a major defect in their house which injures me, even while I'm watching their life's possessions go up in flames.

/Sovereign Immunity laws are interesting things.
 
FNG [TotalFark]
2013-03-01 05:48:35 PM  
Interesting case. Yes this guy charges money to teach people and be a part of his wilderness lifestyle.

Sounds a lot like camping, doesn't it?

Most campgrounds I go to, I have to pay for a site. This is of course if I'm not backwoods camping, but when I do go to public or private campgrounds, I have to pay money for a spot to stay and to put up my tent.

Do government regulators come and inspect my tent once it is up? Am I herded off my paid-for campsite due to a lightning storm?

No. Have I slept in "sub-standard" tents that I trusted my idiot friends to bring, ones that can't even keep out water? Yes. Twice. Never again.

So what is the difference between this guy's place and a campground? Yes, people are paying, and yes, that makes it "commerce", but there is no difference as I see it.
 
2013-03-01 06:28:11 PM  
OldManDownDRoad:

Speaking of Madison, the town (in Rockingham County) has a 'shine festival every year with free samples every November. Check it out.
/and the Pisgah Forest weed is the best on the east coast


I was excited to go to that festival a couple years ago...until  I realized the day before it was 3+ hours away, not in Madison County.
Not sure I've sampled what Pisgah Forest has to offer, I'll have to check with some friends.
I visited Chapel Hill a while back...would not have moved to NC to live there, that's for sure.  I did really enjoy cocktails at the Crunkleton, there isn't a bar quite like that in AVL
 
2013-03-01 08:02:44 PM  

Amos Quito: Skarekrough: He can live in a lean-to if he wants.

But if he wants to take money from people to teach them then he's involved in the commerce system which is regulated by the government.

Sorry.

commerce
commerce
commerce
commerce
commerce
COMMERCE!!!!!

/He wears store-bought pants
//Therefor the GOVT can regulate every detail of his life
///It's all there in the clause


Worst Supreme Court decision, Ever!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

/He is fighting a losing battle, good luck to him.
 
2013-03-01 10:35:02 PM  
farking Nanny State....

A Country Boy can Survive...but not against the Woodrow Wilson Dogooder Progressives...100 year war and the Progressives won be they Reagan, Clinton, Bush or Obama...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg

Freedom lost when Woodrow Wilson was elected.
 
2013-03-01 10:59:52 PM  
Bugs Bunny has a take. "If you can't beat 'em, Join 'em'

upload.wikimedia.org

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=38f_1284015420
 
2013-03-02 01:09:52 AM  

spaten: Amos Quito: Skarekrough: He can live in a lean-to if he wants.

But if he wants to take money from people to teach them then he's involved in the commerce system which is regulated by the government.

Sorry.

commerce
commerce
commerce
commerce
commerce
COMMERCE!!!!!

/He wears store-bought pants
//Therefor the GOVT can regulate every detail of his life
///It's all there in the clause

Worst Supreme Court decision, Ever!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

/He is fighting a losing battle, good luck to him.


Revers THAT farker and you neuter the Federal Govt of 90% of its present power.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW, WHEATON???


:-)
 
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