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2013-03-01 09:16:28 AM

mod3072: hasty ambush: "This is supposed to be the land of the free. Government is supposed to help people, protect their individual liberties and freedom -- that's not what's happening here,"

He sounds like one of those racist, tea party, anti-government types looking for his Somalian utopia that the progressives are always warning us about. If you look at the photo in the article you will see that he is a white male so the big government progressives are probably right.

Or he's just a guy trying to live his life in the woods and just wants the government to leave him alone and let him live the way he wants to. It doesn't seem to matter which side of the political spectrum you're on, people seem to think that government regulation over one's lifestyle is just fine and dandy as long as it's not MY lifestyle. (See also: gay marriage)

I get the need for regulations and building codes, especially in densely populated areas. The problem is that many times these laws are "one size fits all" and fail to realize that urban and rural areas are different. I live way out in the middle of flyover land, and we don't have building inspections. If you want to build something, just build it. No permits, no inspections, nothing. Somehow we manage to get by without having 100% of our population die in catastrophic building failures. Would that model work in downtown NYC? Absolutely not. Nobody wants a skyscraper falling on their heads. This isn't NYC though. This is the middle of nowhere. These people are trying to force city regulation onto a country boy, and that just never fits.


Bullshiat. The shack you put up in the back yard to store your junk may not be inspected, but all buildings intended for public use are inspected. This guy wants to live in a bark hut on his own property, that's just fine. The minute he starts letting people to stay there and learn to live off the land, then he is supject to local building codes.
 
2013-03-01 09:16:38 AM

OldManDownDRoad: My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.


And maybe marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and and have her cook them for for you. And get a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state .

/Of course in the winter you will have to live in Arazona
 
2013-03-01 09:17:22 AM

vudukungfu: OldManDownDRoad: The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville)

Hippies?
You mean "Ice Hoes"


Please, explain to me the meaning of this novel vulgarity.
 
2013-03-01 09:17:50 AM

MythDragon: OldManDownDRoad: My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.

And maybe marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and and have her cook them for for you. And get a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state .

/Of course in the winter you will have to live in Arazona


Arizona.
Farkdammit
 
2013-03-01 09:18:27 AM

MythDragon: OldManDownDRoad: My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.

And maybe marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and and have her cook them for for you. And get a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state .

/Of course in the winter you will have to live in Arazona



Watch out for the cook.
 
2013-03-01 09:19:05 AM

hasty ambush: He sounds like one of those racist, tea party, anti-government types looking for his Somalian utopia that the progressives are always warning us about.


Nope, he's just an old school hippie. I've read that while attending college as an undergrad in anthropology, he lived in a tent off-campus and walked to class barefoot. Old school indeed.

And as far as the progressives go, we got a nice taste of their utopia down in Zuccotti Park.
 
2013-03-01 09:19:37 AM

spacemanjones: Not_The_Target_Market: [magazine.seymourprojects.com image 374x568]

No TV no beer make Homer something something


Go Crazy
 
2013-03-01 09:20:02 AM

OldManDownDRoad


Actually, a friend of mine who's a cop in Asheville says it's like being back in Iraq: bunch of guys wearing rags, with beards, speaking a language he can't understand.


I see you watch 'Justified'. That was a pretty good line when it was used in a recent episode; at least you're copying something decent.
 
2013-03-01 09:20:16 AM

vudukungfu: You mean "Ice Hoes"


'Iceholes'. You mean 'Iceholes'.

marcokrizic.files.wordpress.com

"I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves."
 
2013-03-01 09:21:25 AM

MythDragon


And maybe marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and and have her cook them for for you. And get a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state .


Do they let you do that?
 
2013-03-01 09:22:12 AM

lostcat: Where can I get some of those organic, all-natural bolt cutters?


I was wondering the same thing. All my local Ace Hardware sells are bolt cutters made from genetically modifed metal.
 
2013-03-01 09:22:19 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Mr. Eustace Conway IV, subject of Ms. Elizabeth Gilbert's book "The Last American Man".  It's an amazing book. Gilbert's the same chic that wrote "Eat, Pray, Love".

Conway's been eating road kill since he was a kid. He's not a self-styled "mountain man" ... he is a mountain man. He's also a SUPER a-hole. I can't believe people still go to his nature school. When this case finally makes it way to court, the transcript is going to be HILARIOUS. Mark my words.
 
2013-03-01 09:23:11 AM

give me doughnuts: dittybopper: Skarekrough: earthworm2.0: drjekel_mrhyde: More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse

Right, so, private property is the responsibility of the government.

Ever had a housefire?

Ever try to sue the fire department for not responding fast enough?  Guess what?  They aren't legally responsible, just like the police aren't legally responsible if you get killed, raped, or injured, even if you warned them specifically that there was a high probability it would happen.


The fire department is there to keep the fire from spreading, not to save your stuff.
The police are there to arrest criminals after they have commited a crime, not to save your ass.


What if they fail to keep the fire from spreading?  Can you not sue them?

For example, say your neighbor's house catches fire, and the local fire department shows up, but due to some incompetence on their part, say, they forgot to bring a vital pump or the wrench to open up the fire hydrant, your house catches fire and burns to the ground.

Can't you sue them then?  No?  Why not?

Truth is, you can't sue the government except under some fairly narrow circumstances.  Why?  Because it's the farkin' government, that's why, so shut the fark up and get back to work, citizen.
 
2013-03-01 09:23:39 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: OldManDownDRoad

Actually, a friend of mine who's a cop in Asheville says it's like being back in Iraq: bunch of guys wearing rags, with beards, speaking a language he can't understand.


I see you watch 'Justified'. That was a pretty good line when it was used in a recent episode; at least you're copying something decent.


It's a pretty old joke. First time I heard it was from a cop in Carrboro talking about hipsters. I guess it applies in a lot of places. When I heard it about Asheville, I thought he was talking about hipsters as well. Took me a moment to realize he was talking about the backwoods folks.

'Course, he has no room to talk, being from southside Virginia where they pronounce "Norfolk" as "Naw-fuk."

/Vandy has better looking women
 
2013-03-01 09:26:40 AM

OldManDownDRoad


'Course, he has no room to talk, being from southside Virginia where they pronounce "Norfolk" as "Naw-fuk."


As we all know, the proper pronunciation is "Nor-fk". :-)
 
2013-03-01 09:31:01 AM

Farce-Side: Should they force him to comply with modern building codes and shut his school down if he can't comply?  I don't think so.

Should they force him to take out a liability insurance policy, and have his students sign a waiver acknowledging that the buildings don't meet NC building codes, and by entering said buildings they are taking their safety into their own hands?  Certainly, but that won't earn the local gov't any money, and since he was on TV, he's gotta have money now right?


This
 
2013-03-01 09:31:06 AM
Love the Asheville area and look forward to moving there one day.
this guy woulda been fine on his land, as he was told
until he opened a business on his land

well...there's yer problem
 
2013-03-01 09:33:16 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.

That's the problem with Asheville, same as Chapel Hill. The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville) and made the towns "cool" to outsiders. So the outsiders moved there, and brought with them the same laws, regulations, and taxes they left (wherever) to escape. Chapel Hill is now filled with assholes from the northeast, Asheville is now filled with assholes from Florida. All the hippies left Chapel Hill ages ago (mostly to Carrboro, which now suffers from the twin plague of hipsters and smugsters) and Asheville is rapidly becoming the most expensive town in the state to live in, even surpassing Nags Head.

THIS.
So much this it blots out the sun.
Asheville tries much too hard to do the hipster thing and has descended into self parody.

 
2013-03-01 09:34:12 AM

mod3072: hasty ambush: "This is supposed to be the land of the free. Government is supposed to help people, protect their individual liberties and freedom -- that's not what's happening here,"

He sounds like one of those racist, tea party, anti-government types looking for his Somalian utopia that the progressives are always warning us about. If you look at the photo in the article you will see that he is a white male so the big government progressives are probably right.

Or he's just a guy trying to live his life in the woods and just wants the government to leave him alone and let him live the way he wants to. It doesn't seem to matter which side of the political spectrum you're on, people seem to think that government regulation over one's lifestyle is just fine and dandy as long as it's not MY lifestyle. (See also: gay marriage)

I get the need for regulations and building codes, especially in densely populated areas. The problem is that many times these laws are "one size fits all" and fail to realize that urban and rural areas are different. I live way out in the middle of flyover land, and we don't have building inspections. If you want to build something, just build it. No permits, no inspections, nothing. Somehow we manage to get by without having 100% of our population die in catastrophic building failures. Would that model work in downtown NYC? Absolutely not. Nobody wants a skyscraper falling on their heads. This isn't NYC though. This is the middle of nowhere. These people are trying to force city regulation onto a country boy, and that just never fits.


and This
 
2013-03-01 09:34:47 AM

Maul555: Farce-Side: Should they force him to comply with modern building codes and shut his school down if he can't comply?  I don't think so.

Should they force him to take out a liability insurance policy, and have his students sign a waiver acknowledging that the buildings don't meet NC building codes, and by entering said buildings they are taking their safety into their own hands?  Certainly, but that won't earn the local gov't any money, and since he was on TV, he's gotta have money now right?

This


X's 42
 
2013-03-01 09:36:32 AM

fredklein: vudukungfu: You mean "Ice Hoes"

'Iceholes'. You mean 'Iceholes'.

[marcokrizic.files.wordpress.com image 720x480]

"I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves."


thank you.
I dated a girl from Ashville when I was in the USAF, and she pronounced it Ice Hoes.
 
2013-03-01 09:36:52 AM

earthworm2.0: drjekel_mrhyde: More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse

Right, so, private property is the responsibility of the government.


He has a school there. What do you think your county would do if you turned your home into a church?
 
2013-03-01 09:40:24 AM

give me doughnuts: mod3072: hasty ambush: "This is supposed to be the land of the free. Government is supposed to help people, protect their individual liberties and freedom -- that's not what's happening here,"

He sounds like one of those racist, tea party, anti-government types looking for his Somalian utopia that the progressives are always warning us about. If you look at the photo in the article you will see that he is a white male so the big government progressives are probably right.

Or he's just a guy trying to live his life in the woods and just wants the government to leave him alone and let him live the way he wants to. It doesn't seem to matter which side of the political spectrum you're on, people seem to think that government regulation over one's lifestyle is just fine and dandy as long as it's not MY lifestyle. (See also: gay marriage)

I get the need for regulations and building codes, especially in densely populated areas. The problem is that many times these laws are "one size fits all" and fail to realize that urban and rural areas are different. I live way out in the middle of flyover land, and we don't have building inspections. If you want to build something, just build it. No permits, no inspections, nothing. Somehow we manage to get by without having 100% of our population die in catastrophic building failures. Would that model work in downtown NYC? Absolutely not. Nobody wants a skyscraper falling on their heads. This isn't NYC though. This is the middle of nowhere. These people are trying to force city regulation onto a country boy, and that just never fits.

Bullshiat. The shack you put up in the back yard to store your junk may not be inspected, but all buildings intended for public use are inspected. This guy wants to live in a bark hut on his own property, that's just fine. The minute he starts letting people to stay there and learn to live off the land, then he is supject to local building codes.


Your correct, if someone gets hurt in one of the buildings , someone will laywer up and start, then everyone gets involved. Once the township, boro, county knows about it they have no other choice but to follow the law.

They probably dont want to bother the guy. The best way to operate a municipal area is to stay out of the news.
 
2013-03-01 09:40:29 AM
evilmonito.com
 
2013-03-01 09:41:19 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: MythDragon

And maybe marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and and have her cook them for for you. And get a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state .


Do they let you do that?


I suppose.
 
2013-03-01 09:42:43 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: What do you think your county would do if you turned your home into a church?


Give me tax-exempt status and allow me to use psychoactive drugs in rituals (depending on the religion).
 
2013-03-01 09:44:08 AM
If only he was an ex-imagineer . . .

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

/ without the annoying JAP wife.
 
2013-03-01 09:44:37 AM

mortimer_ford: Please, explain to me the meaning of this novel vulgarity.


I believe it is a coarse variant of the once-common "snowbird".
 
2013-03-01 09:47:34 AM

MythDragon: Englebert Slaptyback: MythDragon

And maybe marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and and have her cook them for for you. And get a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state .


Do they let you do that?

I suppose.


No papers?
 
2013-03-01 09:51:51 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: earthworm2.0: drjekel_mrhyde: More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse

Right, so, private property is the responsibility of the government.

He has a school there. What do you think your county would do if you turned your home into a church?


Funny you should say that.  My neighbor has weekly prayer meetings at his house.  No one really cares.
 
2013-03-01 09:55:11 AM
You do not do business on gang turf w/o paying the gang their share.
What did he not understand?
 
2013-03-01 09:59:53 AM

earthworm2.0: drjekel_mrhyde: More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse

Right, so, private property is the responsibility of the government.


That's sort of implied by the term, yeah.
 
2013-03-01 10:00:22 AM

fredklein: vudukungfu: You mean "Ice Hoes"

'Iceholes'. You mean 'Iceholes'.

[marcokrizic.files.wordpress.com image 720x480]

"I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves."



He sounds Swedish.
 
2013-03-01 10:02:50 AM

Seige101: spacemanjones: Not_The_Target_Market: [magazine.seymourprojects.com image 374x568]

No TV no beer make Homer something something

Go Crazy


DONT MIND IF I DO!!!!
 
2013-03-01 10:21:28 AM
I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.
 
2013-03-01 10:27:46 AM

Farce-Side: Should they force him to comply with modern building codes and shut his school down if he can't comply?


yes
 
2013-03-01 10:33:24 AM

give me doughnuts: fredklein: vudukungfu: You mean "Ice Hoes"

'Iceholes'. You mean 'Iceholes'.

[marcokrizic.files.wordpress.com image 720x480]

"I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves."


He sounds Swedish.


imageshack.us
 
2013-03-01 10:34:59 AM
Another hypocritical fantasist. He lives off of civilization by selling a "dude ranch" experience to bored, affluent urbanites. He couldn't be more dependent on civilization if he were a stockbroker living on Manhattan.
He just doesn't want to follow the same rules the rest of us have to.
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-03-01 10:36:55 AM

Void_Beavis: I hope this guy wins. Seems like a cool dude.

Having read the book, I would say "interesting".


gentlemint.com
 
2013-03-01 10:49:17 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: OldManDownDRoad

'Course, he has no room to talk, being from southside Virginia where they pronounce "Norfolk" as "Naw-fuk."


As we all know, the proper pronunciation is "Nor-fk". :-)


Close, it should be pronounced "Nor-fuk"

/Unless you mean all those places named after Norfolk
 
2013-03-01 10:51:36 AM

dittybopper: For example, say your neighbor's house catches fire, and the local fire department shows up, but due to some incompetence on their part, say, they forgot to bring a vital pump or the wrench to open up the fire hydrant, your house catches fire and burns to the ground.

Can't you sue them then?  No?  Why not?

Truth is, you can't sue the government except under some fairly narrow circumstances.  Why?  Because it's the farkin' government, that's why, so shut the fark up and get back to work, citizen.


Seems like you would want to sue your neighbor for negligence? The fire department (I'm guessing) doesn't guarantee 100% prevention of fire damage once they show up, but googling "suing fire department" returns pages of stories like this one:

http://www.emsworld.com/news/10840121/nebraska-family-suing-fire-dep ar tment-claiming-negligence

"Under the Political Subdivision Tort Claims Act, a person intending to pursue a lawsuit against a political subdivision must file a tort claim, or notice of intent to file a lawsuit. The tort claim puts the subdivision on notice and the subdivision, in this case the City of Scottsbluff, has six months in which to respond. During that time, the city can investigate and offer to settle, if it chooses. After six months, the notifying party can withdraw its tort claim and file a lawsuit in the local district court. "

Doesn't sound like a no...
 
2013-03-01 11:02:29 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Englebert Slaptyback: OldManDownDRoad

Actually, a friend of mine who's a cop in Asheville says it's like being back in Iraq: bunch of guys wearing rags, with beards, speaking a language he can't understand.


I see you watch 'Justified'. That was a pretty good line when it was used in a recent episode; at least you're copying something decent.

It's a pretty old joke. First time I heard it was from a cop in Carrboro talking about hipsters. I guess it applies in a lot of places. When I heard it about Asheville, I thought he was talking about hipsters as well. Took me a moment to realize he was talking about the backwoods folks.

'Course, he has no room to talk, being from southside Virginia where they pronounce "Norfolk" as "Naw-fuk."

/Vandy has better looking women


While there are a lot of backwoodsy folk in the rural areas of the state, Asheville is not one of those places.  Hippies, hipsters, neo-pagan vegan patchouli, weed & BO with natty dreads and ratty clothes.  Good beer and some great food in the town, though.
 
2013-03-01 11:11:10 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse


Yeah, that'll happen.
 
2013-03-01 11:12:32 AM

fredklein: MythDragon: Englebert Slaptyback: MythDragon

And maybe marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and and have her cook them for for you. And get a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state .


Do they let you do that?

I suppose.

No papers?


Well, yes. You do need a driver's license...insurance...registration...so 3 papers.
 
2013-03-01 11:14:46 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.

That's the problem with Asheville, same as Chapel Hill. The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville) and made the towns "cool" to outsiders. So the outsiders moved there, and brought with them the same laws, regulations, and taxes they left (wherever) to escape. Chapel Hill is now filled with assholes from the northeast, Asheville is now filled with assholes from Florida. All the hippies left Chapel Hill ages ago (mostly to Carrboro, which now suffers from the twin plague of hipsters and smugsters) and Asheville is rapidly becoming the most expensive town in the state to live in, even surpassing Nags Head.

My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.


A buddy of mine is the son of a genuine "mountain man" who lives in the mountains of Montana. A few years ago the rangers trekked up to his dad's cabin, which is in the middle of nowhere, and informed him happily that the area had now been declared "wilderness".

The old guy looked at them wryly and asked, "Hasn't it always been?"

Don'tcha just love how big government thinks it has to "declare" things before they can actually exist as such? Or vice versa.
 
2013-03-01 11:15:07 AM

natas6.0: Love the Asheville area and look forward to moving there one day.
this guy woulda been fine on his land, as he was told
until he opened a business on his land

well...there's yer problem


The gang state needs its cut.
 
2013-03-01 11:20:34 AM

MythDragon: fredklein: MythDragon: Englebert Slaptyback: MythDragon

And maybe marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and and have her cook them for for you. And get a pickup truck... maybe even a "recreational vehicle." And drive from state to state .


Do they let you do that?

I suppose.

No papers?

Well, yes. You do need a driver's license...insurance...registration...so 3 papers.


Depending on the state, just 2.  Not every state requires insurance.
 
2013-03-01 11:27:44 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Bad_Seed: North Carolina? Wouldn't that technically make him a 'hill-billy', rather than a 'mountain man'?

Please. We prefer "Alto-American."


Does he speak Authentic Frontier Gibberish?
 
2013-03-01 11:35:33 AM
So whats the name of the mining company that wants his land?
 
2013-03-01 11:37:39 AM
Wheres all the hillbilly woman folk at?
act.mtv.com
 
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