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2013-03-01 08:25:31 AM
This of course will turn out well
 
2013-03-01 08:28:45 AM
He carved his website from a block of wood.
 
2013-03-01 08:29:34 AM
Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.

That's the problem with Asheville, same as Chapel Hill. The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville) and made the towns "cool" to outsiders. So the outsiders moved there, and brought with them the same laws, regulations, and taxes they left (wherever) to escape. Chapel Hill is now filled with assholes from the northeast, Asheville is now filled with assholes from Florida. All the hippies left Chapel Hill ages ago (mostly to Carrboro, which now suffers from the twin plague of hipsters and smugsters) and Asheville is rapidly becoming the most expensive town in the state to live in, even surpassing Nags Head.

My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.
 
2013-03-01 08:31:15 AM
Buzzkills.
 
2013-03-01 08:31:25 AM
"This is supposed to be the land of the free. Government is supposed to help people, protect their individual liberties and freedom -- that's not what's happening here,"

He sounds like one of those racist, tea party, anti-government types looking for his Somalian utopia that the progressives are always warning us about. If you look at the photo in the article you will see that he is a white male so the big government progressives are probably right.
 
2013-03-01 08:31:47 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.

That's the problem with Asheville, same as Chapel Hill. The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville) and made the towns "cool" to outsiders. So the outsiders moved there, and brought with them the same laws, regulations, and taxes they left (wherever) to escape. Chapel Hill is now filled with assholes from the northeast, Asheville is now filled with assholes from Florida. All the hippies left Chapel Hill ages ago (mostly to Carrboro, which now suffers from the twin plague of hipsters and smugsters) and Asheville is rapidly becoming the most expensive town in the state to live in, even surpassing Nags Head.

My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.


The NC woods are pretty deep.  Try Cullowhee.
 
2013-03-01 08:32:17 AM
Compound?
 
2013-03-01 08:32:41 AM
I hope this guy wins. Seems like a cool dude.
 
2013-03-01 08:34:20 AM
More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse
 
2013-03-01 08:34:29 AM
magazine.seymourprojects.com
 
2013-03-01 08:35:21 AM
They say they are conerned about peoples safety,.but ill bet no one has.ever gotten hurt hanging out with this guy.
 
2013-03-01 08:35:33 AM
I ran in to Eustace a few times at local farmers markets. Nice enough guy who just wants to be left alone and do his own thing. Kind of a cross between a hermit and a hippie.

I'm surprised the county is farking with him, though. It's generally understood that the government doesn't mess with the mountain folks as long as they stay on their hills and in their hollars.

CSB
 
2013-03-01 08:36:24 AM
But that's his side of the mountain...
 
2013-03-01 08:37:03 AM
" Government is supposed to help people,protect their individual liberties and freedom -- that's not what's happening here,"

Yeah they are trying to protect people who attend your 'school' from having your shoddy buildings fall on them. If you only wanted to endanger yourself, have at it, but you are running a business and with that needs to come some basic standards/permitting requirements
 
2013-03-01 08:37:08 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse


Right, so, private property is the responsibility of the government.
 
2013-03-01 08:37:33 AM
He can live in a lean-to if he wants.

But if he wants to take money from people to teach them then he's involved in the commerce system which is regulated by the government.

Sorry.
 
2013-03-01 08:38:14 AM

no talent ass clown: I ran in to Eustace a few times at local farmers markets. Nice enough guy who just wants to be left alone and do his own thing. Kind of a cross between a hermit and a hippie.

I'm surprised the county is farking with him, though. It's generally understood that the government doesn't mess with the mountain folks as long as they stay on their hills and in their hollars.

CSB


When his hut turned into a business he crossed a fairly obvious line.
 
2013-03-01 08:38:24 AM
North Carolina? Wouldn't that technically make him a 'hill-billy', rather than a 'mountain man'?
 
2013-03-01 08:39:30 AM

Bad_Seed: North Carolina? Wouldn't that technically make him a 'hill-billy', rather than a 'mountain man'?


Please. We prefer "Alto-American."
 
2013-03-01 08:40:06 AM
Damn Hills Have Eyes people. I guess the lampshades made of hiker's skin are not up to the fire code.
 
2013-03-01 08:40:54 AM

earthworm2.0: drjekel_mrhyde: More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse

Right, so, private property is the responsibility of the government.


It's gotten so bad that the government forces restaurants to follow sanitation rules. They make bus companies have only licensed drivers. Nightclubs have occupancy limits. Where does the nanny state end?
 
2013-03-01 08:41:24 AM

earthworm2.0: drjekel_mrhyde: More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse

Right, so, private property is the responsibility of the government.


Ever had a housefire?
 
2013-03-01 08:42:25 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Bad_Seed: North Carolina? Wouldn't that technically make him a 'hill-billy', rather than a 'mountain man'?

Please. We prefer "Alto-American."


Watch out for this guy. He's curiously strong.
 
2013-03-01 08:42:34 AM

Gifted Many Few: Damn Hills Have Eyes people. I guess the lampshades made of hiker's skin are not up to the fire code.


Its not so much that they are made from hiker's skin, its the human fat lamps that's the issue
 
2013-03-01 08:43:04 AM
media.screened.com

Git off mah land!
 
2013-03-01 08:43:47 AM
May or may not be the man in question:

images.hitfix.com
 
2013-03-01 08:44:22 AM
Looks like reality has set in.
 
2013-03-01 08:44:22 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.

That's the problem with Asheville, same as Chapel Hill. The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville) and made the towns "cool" to outsiders. So the outsiders moved there, and brought with them the same laws, regulations, and taxes they left (wherever) to escape. Chapel Hill is now filled with assholes from the northeast, Asheville is now filled with assholes from Florida. All the hippies left Chapel Hill ages ago (mostly to Carrboro, which now suffers from the twin plague of hipsters and smugsters) and Asheville is rapidly becoming the most expensive town in the state to live in, even surpassing Nags Head.

My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.


freedom is a state of mind. and a back porch built on your house in 1964 will not be up to code in 2013. along the way people were hurt, got crippled and died due to porch related accidents and mishaps. because we are not idiots we apply what we learn and make the back porch a safer porch. building codes are updated.

my 1961 (?) Plymouth Belvedere came from the factory with no seat belts, no exterior mirrors, no head rests, few pollution restriction devices and the dashboard was metal. compare this with what you find on todays car lot.

surprised you haven't noticed these things by yourself.
 
2013-03-01 08:45:20 AM
I hope they don't send in the police, ATF & FBI to burn his place down.
 
2013-03-01 08:45:43 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Compound?


That's what the government and news media call your house when you're a troublemaker, a malcontent or a "terrorist."
Otherwise, it's just a house.
 
2013-03-01 08:46:44 AM
Should they force him to comply with modern building codes and shut his school down if he can't comply?  I don't think so.

Should they force him to take out a liability insurance policy, and have his students sign a waiver acknowledging that the buildings don't meet NC building codes, and by entering said buildings they are taking their safety into their own hands?  Certainly, but that won't earn the local gov't any money, and since he was on TV, he's gotta have money now right?
 
2013-03-01 08:47:27 AM

Not_The_Target_Market: [magazine.seymourprojects.com image 374x568]


No TV no beer make Homer something something
 
2013-03-01 08:49:52 AM
It would be nice if they listed at least some of the code violations.

If they want to make sure a lodge (large cabin) has an emergency exit then that's not particularly onerous.

If the lodge has no electricity and they're saying he needs grounded outlets, then that is.
 
2013-03-01 08:52:00 AM

Sybarite: [media.screened.com image 320x240]

Git off mah land!


Came into the thread for New Feeland reference.

/leaving satisfied.
 
2013-03-01 08:52:27 AM

Archae hippy: OldManDownDRoad: Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.

That's the problem with Asheville, same as Chapel Hill. The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville) and made the towns "cool" to outsiders. So the outsiders moved there, and brought with them the same laws, regulations, and taxes they left (wherever) to escape. Chapel Hill is now filled with assholes from the northeast, Asheville is now filled with assholes from Florida. All the hippies left Chapel Hill ages ago (mostly to Carrboro, which now suffers from the twin plague of hipsters and smugsters) and Asheville is rapidly becoming the most expensive town in the state to live in, even surpassing Nags Head.

My advice to this guy is to move even further back into the woods - perhaps Montana.

The NC woods are pretty deep.  Try Cullowhee.


Can't be that deep, they have a UNC-system school (allegedly), which means they should have a couple big expensive buildings for sports and such, plus maybe a classroom or two.

But he can always hang out in Eric Rudolph's old place.
 
2013-03-01 08:53:43 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Must be that guy from Asheville (checks story). Yep.


Nope. Boone / Watauga county. He was also recently arrested for harassing his neighbors, which kind of hurt his support locally.  It's also interesting that the local state senator, Republican Dan Soucek supports him based on small government, do what you want with your own property type principles.
 
2013-03-01 08:57:51 AM
Might be a good time for this fella to buy a couple of fire extingushers.
 
2013-03-01 08:58:40 AM
Declare you are Amish.
Sue for infringement of your beliefs.
Profit.
 
2013-03-01 08:59:30 AM

Skarekrough: He can live in a lean-to if he wants.

But if he wants to take money from people to teach them then he's involved in the commerce system which is regulated by the government.

Sorry.


Yeah, this is really the in and out of it. If he wants to be in business, he needs to build a "classroom" that is up to code. He can live however he likes.
 
2013-03-01 08:59:42 AM

OldManDownDRoad: The hippies moved to both towns around the same time (60s for Chapel Hill, 70s for Asheville)


Hippies?
You mean "Ice Hoes"
 
2013-03-01 09:00:03 AM

Skarekrough: earthworm2.0: drjekel_mrhyde: More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse

Right, so, private property is the responsibility of the government.

Ever had a housefire?


Ever try to sue the fire department for not responding fast enough?  Guess what?  They aren't legally responsible, just like the police aren't legally responsible if you get killed, raped, or injured, even if you warned them specifically that there was a high probability it would happen.
 
2013-03-01 09:01:08 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Bad_Seed: North Carolina? Wouldn't that technically make him a 'hill-billy', rather than a 'mountain man'?

Please. We prefer "Alto-American."


Don't get mad at us for not knowing that, we can barely understand your high-pitched voices.
 
2013-03-01 09:01:33 AM

OldManDownDRoad: they have a UNC-system school (allegedly)


AppState is actually hugely selective, unlike the diploma mills down in Chapel Hill and Raleigh ;-)
 
2013-03-01 09:01:45 AM

Happy Hours: It would be nice if they listed at least some of the code violations.

If they want to make sure a lodge (large cabin) has an emergency exit then that's not particularly onerous.

If the lodge has no electricity and they're saying he needs grounded outlets, then that is.


What if he just holds his classes outdoors?  No harm no foul then.
 
2013-03-01 09:04:45 AM
Where can I get some of those organic, all-natural bolt cutters?
 
2013-03-01 09:10:25 AM

lostcat: Where can I get some of those organic, all-natural bolt cutters?


At the local market.  Look for the table with the sign that says "Fair Trade."
 
2013-03-01 09:11:32 AM

hasty ambush: "This is supposed to be the land of the free. Government is supposed to help people, protect their individual liberties and freedom -- that's not what's happening here,"

He sounds like one of those racist, tea party, anti-government types looking for his Somalian utopia that the progressives are always warning us about. If you look at the photo in the article you will see that he is a white male so the big government progressives are probably right.


Or he's just a guy trying to live his life in the woods and just wants the government to leave him alone and let him live the way he wants to. It doesn't seem to matter which side of the political spectrum you're on, people seem to think that government regulation over one's lifestyle is just fine and dandy as long as it's not MY lifestyle. (See also: gay marriage)

I get the need for regulations and building codes, especially in densely populated areas. The problem is that many times these laws are "one size fits all" and fail to realize that urban and rural areas are different. I live way out in the middle of flyover land, and we don't have building inspections. If you want to build something, just build it. No permits, no inspections, nothing. Somehow we manage to get by without having 100% of our population die in catastrophic building failures. Would that model work in downtown NYC? Absolutely not. Nobody wants a skyscraper falling on their heads. This isn't NYC though. This is the middle of nowhere. These people are trying to force city regulation onto a country boy, and that just never fits.
 
2013-03-01 09:11:50 AM

dittybopper: Skarekrough: earthworm2.0: drjekel_mrhyde: More like the government don't want to get sued if some asshat dies in hut collapse

Right, so, private property is the responsibility of the government.

Ever had a housefire?

Ever try to sue the fire department for not responding fast enough?  Guess what?  They aren't legally responsible, just like the police aren't legally responsible if you get killed, raped, or injured, even if you warned them specifically that there was a high probability it would happen.



The fire department is there to keep the fire from spreading, not to save your stuff.
The police are there to arrest criminals after they have commited a crime, not to save your ass.
 
2013-03-01 09:13:24 AM

tommyl66: OldManDownDRoad: Bad_Seed: North Carolina? Wouldn't that technically make him a 'hill-billy', rather than a 'mountain man'?

Please. We prefer "Alto-American."

Don't get mad at us for not knowing that, we can barely understand your high-pitched voices.


That would be Soprano-Americans. They look like this:

featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com

Actually, a friend of mine who's a cop in Asheville says it's like being back in Iraq: bunch of guys wearing rags, with beards, speaking a language he can't understand.
 
2013-03-01 09:13:38 AM

dittybopper: Ever try to sue the fire department for not responding fast enough? Guess what? They aren't legally responsible, just like the police aren't legally responsible if you get killed, raped, or injured, even if you warned them specifically that there was a high probability it would happen.


4.bp.blogspot.com

I'm going to set the building on fire
 
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