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(Today)   Not news: Christian school fires teacher for getting pregnant. WTF: Then offers a job to the guy that knocked her up   (lifeinc.today.com) divider line 41
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2013-03-01 08:23:19 AM  
6 votes:

ArkAngel: GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.

In what way? They didn't fire her for being pregnant. The pregnancy simply revealed the breach in the same way a sex tape would


The school's problem is that it then went and tried to hire a man who they also knew was in breach of the same policy.... that's what makes it discriminatory.
2013-03-01 12:43:04 AM  
6 votes:
She should have gotten an abortion. Problem solved.

Also, Gloria Allred is her attorney. This could be epic.
2013-03-01 08:29:13 AM  
5 votes:
Also insulting, James said, was that after firing her, the school offered a job to her then-fiancé - they are now married - even though it was known that he, too, engaged in premarital sex. He did not accept the job, she said

see, that's where I've got a problem.  look, if you want to fire a woman for having pre-marital sex...ok, that's fine.  if that's what your morality says you can do then go ahead and kick the pregnant woman out into the world with no money.  But if pre-marital sex is bad then its bad for the guy as well.  it takes two to tango guys, she ain't getting pregnant all on her own, she had help.  you wanna condemn her actions as immoral then you MUST condemn the guy who got her pregnant.

I think that school isn't as moral as they believe.  in fact, I think their morality is deeply flawed.
2013-03-01 08:14:31 AM  
5 votes:

martissimo


Reading the article it sounds like the case law on this is all over the place, but if she signed a contract that said she had to abstain from pre-marital sex and that's how they word the reason for her firing then she's boned


OMG immaculate conception!

Then the church folk will be forced to prove that such a thing is impossible.
2013-03-01 08:16:01 AM  
4 votes:

NephilimNexus: Good, now they can both get jobs at real schools.


Moving out of country could be a bit of a gamble with a child on the way.
2013-03-01 04:41:40 AM  
4 votes:
So, didn't the guy have to sign the same contract to get her job?  If so, are they going to immediately fire him, since his girlfriend got pregnant before they were married?

Or does that clause only apply to the dirty, dirty, girls - not the studly guys?
2013-03-01 02:07:29 AM  
4 votes:
Just Christians being their usual loving, forgiving and non-judgmental selves.

martissimo: Reading the article it sounds like the case law on this is all over the place, but if she signed a contract that said she had to abstain from pre-marital sex and that's how they word the reason for her firing then she's boned

/again
//if ya know what I mean


The contract didn't detail that she could be fired for infractions.
It's not clear whether such a contract is legal to begin with.
2013-03-01 12:14:01 AM  
4 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?


Simple: that clause is illegal.
2013-03-01 08:41:17 AM  
3 votes:
unchellmatt:
This sort of thing is covered under the First Amendment rights of the college, and it's been tried before. In the 80's, the Christian Science Monitor fired some staff who came out as gay/lesbian, they attempted lawsuit and failed (though the church did change its stance on homosexuality somewhat recently). In this case, the woman got pregnant, against the rules of the organization she worked for. Google "ministerial exception", which I believe would cover this (could be wrong, IANAL, any legal beagles weigh in?).

what might be a telling difference here is that this school then tried to her the man who got her pregnant.  if they'd just fired the woman and left well enough alone...then yeah, they'd probably be in the clear.  But a clever lawyer *might* be able to turn this into a discrimination case since they tried to hire the guy who got her pregnant.  its certainly a clear double standard.

law aside tho, this is pretty scummy behavior on the part of the school.  it's a very public example that proves the point that to some religious folks, it's not about 'morality', they just want to punish women for having sex.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-01 08:27:12 AM  
3 votes:

Ed Grubermann: vpb: Well, it's only fair.  She is the one who tempted him and destroyed his virtue with her dirty, dirty girl parts.

RTFA? No, why would you? He didn't take the job.


Which has what to do with anything?
2013-03-01 08:22:02 AM  
3 votes:
You signed a contract. Don't like it? Don't sign the f*cking contract. How is this difficult?
2013-03-01 08:17:56 AM  
3 votes:

GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.


I don't know that it is, esp. since IANAL, but I would think her lawyer ought to be able to make hay out of them offering the position to the person she had sex with.  I mean...fire the woman for having sex, then offer the job to her male partner?  C'mon.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-01 08:05:30 AM  
3 votes:
Well, it's only fair.  She is the one who tempted him and destroyed his virtue with her dirty, dirty girl parts.

Bless his heart.
2013-03-01 08:21:55 AM  
2 votes:
She says she was fired because, as the termination letter included in the suit stated: "Teri engaged in activity outside the scope of the Handbook and Community Covenant that does not build up the college's mission."

/So, that mission would be telling people how to live outside of your business? Forcing your morals upon others and judging them by your draconian and bloated theocracy? And of course, you offered to hire the guy, women are worth less, and expendable. Nothing wrong with them having extramarital sex, but you should have stoned the whore in the auditorium right? Ami right? Are you sure this wasn't an Islamic fundy school? You guys suck. But that's what you get for getting a job with a bunch of right wing nutjobs.
2013-03-01 08:14:25 AM  
2 votes:
How very Christian of them.
2013-03-01 08:13:00 AM  
2 votes:

ArkAngel: GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.

In what way? They didn't fire her for being pregnant. The pregnancy simply revealed the breach in the same way a sex tape would


Immaculate Conception.
2013-03-01 08:10:27 AM  
2 votes:

log_jammin: its employees sign its "community covenant,"

sounds like socialism to me.


Sounds like religious fanaticism to me.
2013-03-01 01:20:21 AM  
2 votes:

ArkAngel: They didn't fire her for being pregnant.


Oh please.  They'll lie, but come on.  The school has no right, NONE, to dictate the private lives of their employees.  No company does.
2013-03-01 01:03:20 AM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: Grand_Moff_Joseph: At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?

Simple: that clause is illegal.


In what way? They didn't fire her for being pregnant. The pregnancy simply revealed the breach in the same way a sex tape would
2013-03-01 11:38:31 AM  
1 votes:
Easy, Pregnancy Act of 1978 makes it illegal to fire a woman because she becomes pregnant. Its considered a disability, which means the only is question is how much will they pay to make her go away.
2013-03-01 09:13:45 AM  
1 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: You seek out a job at a religious organization, you sign a employment contract, you play by their rules even if you don't like them.

It may suck, but she knew what she was getting into when she took the job.


On the one hand, I agree, but their offering the fiance a job after firing her was blindingly, staggeringly stupid from a legal standpoint.  They just handed her a gender discrimination judgement on a silver platter... with a neon sign and Vegas style lights pointing to it.
2013-03-01 08:59:50 AM  
1 votes:
WWJD?  Apparently deprive an unwed mother and her child of a source of income.  Yeah...that sounds like Christ.

Luckily they totally set themselves up for a discrimination lawsuit by offering her fiance a job.  I hope she sues the pants off them.
2013-03-01 08:53:54 AM  
1 votes:

clong17


On top of that, schools and businesses have been given every right to dictate our private lives. One example is marijuana drug laws. I want to sit home and smoke a little pot on a weekend, I can't because I could be drug tested, and in turn fired.


The "schools and businesses" did not establish the drug laws. The government established the laws.

The schools and businesses set drug-related policies for their own organizations and members/employees. These policies are aligned with the laws. THAT is why you can be fired for failing a drug test: because you violated the policy, not solely because you violated the law.
2013-03-01 08:51:47 AM  
1 votes:
Newsflash: Christians tend to be judgemental hypocrites. Film at 11.
2013-03-01 08:51:30 AM  
1 votes:
School and it's rules are stupid but she signed the agreement and took the job.
She has no reasonable argument.
2013-03-01 08:51:19 AM  
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: How very "Christian" of them to kick a woman out penniless when she's expecting a child, leaving her a pauper. Funny isn't it, how "christians" exhibit some of the most "un-christian" behavior to people. Well, maybe not so funny, but ironic.


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2013-03-01 08:47:46 AM  
1 votes:
How very "Christian" of them to kick a woman out penniless when she's expecting a child, leaving her a pauper. Funny isn't it, how "christians" exhibit some of the most "un-christian" behavior to people. Well, maybe not so funny, but ironic.
2013-03-01 08:35:59 AM  
1 votes:

KawaiiNot: Tons of women have been fired under this but has a man ever been fired for having premarital sex? It's sexiest because men don't face the same consequences.


that might make for a very interesting lawsuit.
2013-03-01 08:32:47 AM  
1 votes:
Ah yes it's the old "women are sluts, men are pimps" mindset. Thanks Christians!
2013-03-01 08:30:54 AM  
1 votes:
What I'm getting out of this thread is that she should have shut it down.
2013-03-01 08:27:00 AM  
1 votes:
What are the chances this was more about dumping an employee who would soon be demanding 6wks of maternity and random time off to take snot-nosed Jr. to the doctor and less about sexual purity of their employees?
2013-03-01 08:25:56 AM  
1 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: You seek out a job at a religious organization, you sign a employment contract, you play by their rules even if you don't like them.

It may suck, but she knew what she was getting into when she took the job.


Yet an employer cant ask if you have a kid at a job interview.
I somewhat agree with you, and somewhat would like to see the schooled sued back to the stone age.
2013-03-01 08:23:53 AM  
1 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: You signed a contract. Don't like it? Don't sign the f*cking contract. How is this difficult?


but the scientlogoists provided me with free water and beer  in exchange for following them for 10 BILLION YEARS!
2013-03-01 08:21:28 AM  
1 votes:
Ah yes. Yet another lost opportunity to show forgiveness and the love of Christ in action.
2013-03-01 08:21:26 AM  
1 votes:

eKonk: I can't feel any sympathy for her.  She signed a morally repugnant "covenant" - she probably is the sort that loves all that crap.  Well, she did, until she figured out that it just applied to her as well women.


FTFY
2013-03-01 08:20:42 AM  
1 votes:
Well, the woman-hating trolls are out in force, I see.
2013-03-01 08:18:41 AM  
1 votes:
I can't feel any sympathy for her.  She signed a morally repugnant "covenant" - she probably is the sort that loves all that crap.  Well, she did, until she figured out that it applied to her as well.
2013-03-01 08:11:27 AM  
1 votes:
Good, now they can both get jobs at real schools.
2013-03-01 03:26:59 AM  
1 votes:
its employees sign its "community covenant,"

sounds like socialism to me.
2013-03-01 01:05:02 AM  
1 votes:
They will settle.
Unless of course they are indeed dumber than they seem.
Of course considering that they offered her fiance a job immediately after
her termination.
2013-03-01 12:05:47 AM  
1 votes:
At some point, the courts need to establish some settled precedent for these types of cases.  In this case, she did violate a contract, but the contract never said what (if any) consequences she would face if she violated said contract.

So, what happens now?
 
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